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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2015 8:35:13 GMT
Plenty of strife in Donegal and Mayo this week.
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Post by fitz on Sept 30, 2015 9:34:32 GMT
Ffs - would they just give them their holiday voucher. Heartless, cold and numbing response.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 1, 2015 17:34:15 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2015 7:01:27 GMT
‘Jim McGuinness and hypocrisy go hand in hand – he blocked my wife and I from going on team holiday’ Independent
Former Donegal player Kevin Cassidy has brandished Jim McGuinness’ recent complaints about the County Board regarding last year’s team holiday as “hypocritical”.
Cassidy, who had a well-publicised fall-out with McGuinness in 2011 after the then All Star was thrown off the Donegal panel for contributing to a book entitled 'This Is Our Year', referenced a team holiday that he and his wife were denied permission to travel by McGuinness during his time in charge of the Ulster county.
Speaking to Gaelic Life, Cassidy was withering in his assessment of McGuinness’ Irish Times column this week where he highlighted complaints he had over the end of season holiday to Dubai last year.
“He (McGuinness) must have a short memory because it wasn’t that long ago that he blocked my wife and I from going on a team holiday,” he said.
“The phrase; pot, kettle, black springs to mind!! But then again for me the words Jim McGuinness and hypocrisy go hand in hand!”
McGuinness, the most successful manager in the county’s history after leading the Ulster side to an All-Ireland title in 2012 and three provincial titles during his four-year term, aired his grievances in the column entitled ‘Sadly I must wash some dirty linen in public’, discussing the team holiday which saw seven members of the party, including himself, not travel to the United Arab Emirates.
The current Celtic employee wrote that he was told at the time that holiday vouchers could not be issued to those who couldn't travel because there was an “implication with revenue”. However when he consulted Croke Park on the issue, he was told those not travelling were entitled to travel vouchers.
Croke Park issued a sum of €80,000 towards the team holiday, but the non-travelling members failed to receive any of the travel vouchers.
McGuinness argues that it is about respect rather than the holiday, but the County Board responded to the claims of their former manager, denying any wrong-doing.
“CLG Dhún na nGall wishes to clarify its position regarding the 2014 players and management teams holiday,” the statement read.
“CLG Dhún na nGall correctly followed all guidelines as issued by Croke Park to Donegal County Committee regarding holidays and are satisfied that the holiday was organised fully in accordance with those guidelines as has been confirmed by Croke Park.”
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2015 7:02:49 GMT
Kevin Cassidy was the first name that came to mind when I first read JMG's piece in the Times.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 2, 2015 20:15:09 GMT
The Mayo county board have announced that the joint management team of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes have stepped down with immediate effect.
The announcement comes after members of the county’s senior football panel held a meeting with county board representatives at McHale Park in Castlebar on Thursday night.
Earlier this week, Mayo players voted 27-7 in favour of a vote of no confidence in the management team.
Connelly and Holmes attended a meeting of the Mayo county board executive this evening, where they gave a review of the past year before announcing their joint resignation.
The management team had served one year of a three-year term, guiding Mayo to their fifth consecutive Connacht title.
The full statement is as follows:
"It is with heavy hearts that we wish to announce that we (Noel Connelly & Pat Holmes) are stepping down from our role as joint managers of the Mayo Senior Football Team with immediate effect.
"By resigning we wish to remove any obstacle that the players might perceive as preventing them from winning the All-Ireland"
"We took on the job on a three-year basis and had been looking forward to building on what had been achieved this year. We are passionate about Mayo Football and it is deeply disappointing not to complete our project.
"By resigning we wish to remove any obstacle that the players might perceive as preventing them from winning the All-Ireland.
"We would like to thank the back-room team for their superb effort and commitment. We wish to thank the Mayo County Board for their support and for all the funding and resources they provided for the team. We would like to thank the players for all their efforts during 2015.
"We would also like to thank the people of Mayo for the huge support and messages of goodwill throughout the year and in the last week. Mhaigh Éo Abú."
Both men, along with their backroom team were thanked and praised for their hard work over the last year.
In a statement, the county board added that both men "owe nothing to Mayo football."
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 2, 2015 20:15:50 GMT
I hope Jimmy gets the gig
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 2, 2015 20:21:01 GMT
The temptation when a group of players takes it upon themselves to initiate a heave against management is to pose a simple question. Who the hell do they think they are? In the case of the Mayo footballers, it is their certainty on that score that has led to this. They think they are the right leader away from an All-Ireland. And just now, they don’t think they have the right leaders.
The vote of no confidence in Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes had been coming a while. At the All-Ireland final 10 days ago, there was word that a players’ letter was being delivered that night to the county board – it appears now that they held off a week as Connelly was out of the country. One way or another, this outcome has felt inevitable for much of the season.
For now, the players look to be in a holding pattern. None of those contacted on Tuesday would be drawn on the situation but the longer the week goes without a response from Holmes and Connelly, the less likely it is that the players will stay silent. The next step is management’s – do they dig in or do they accept that they have no credibility with this group?
From the start, Holmes and Connelly got off on the wrong foot. A major factor in presenting their credentials for the job was the under-21 All-Ireland they won with a large chunk of the team back in 2006. But though the players had evolved since then, both individually and as a group, they came to the conclusion early on that not a lot had changed in terms of Holmes and Connelly’s approach.
Though the players had been to two All-Ireland finals and won four-in-a-row in Connacht, they felt talked down to from the beginning. There was an acceptance from the players that they needed to improve tactically and move on a level after James Horan’s time in charge, but they soon felt that they were learning nothing new.
Small things changed and grated with the players, becoming symptomatic of a wider slippage as time went by. There was a clearout of a few of the medical staff, some of whom had seen the players through long and painstaking recoveries from injury. Logistics weren’t quite as well organised as before – a trip to Derry involved a bus delay that could have been avoided led to inevitable comparisons with the previous regime. Faces from outside the group would occasionally appear in the inner sanctum of the dressing room.
While none of this is debilitating necessarily, there was a death-by-a-thousand-cuts feel to the year. For the players, the Mayo football team was a high performance environment. That’s who the hell they thought they were. What they wanted from management was a step up from what they had before.
Instead, the vibe they got from Holmes and Connelly was that they were no different to the Mayo teams that had come close to winning All-Irelands in the past. To the players, this was all very well – if tough love was the way to go, so be it. But for that to work, it had to be accompanied by fresh ideas and a creative tactical approach. They found this to be lacking.
In short, the players needed to be impressed and Holmes and Connelly did not impress them. While it may not sit particularly well with GAA traditionalists, the reality of the situation is that when a group of players in any sport are close to achieving their ultimate goal, they feel a deep ownership of the whole enterprise.
Keith Higgins is 30. Aidan O’Shea is 25. With the exception of the O’Connor brothers, the rest of Mayo’s main men are aged somewhere in between. If there is an All-Ireland in this group, it needs to come in the next two or three seasons or they will end up as just another group of Mayo footballers who let the chance pass them by.
Whether they are right or wrong in their judgement on the abilities of Holmes and Connelly doesn’t actually matter. What matters is that they felt they weren’t being adequately led. That being the case, they owed it to themselves to do what they could to change their circumstances
MALACHY CLERKIN
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Oct 2, 2015 20:28:26 GMT
I hope Jimmy gets the gig Be great if he did. Would remove poor management as an excuse for the players to use when they inevitably bottle it next year. Interesting that the statement from Holmes and Connolly references 'perceived' barriers to the the players winning an all ireland. Basically hinting players will blame any one themselves. Have to say I thought Holmes and Connolly handled it with dignity. No messing around and didn't stay when they weren't wanted. Be interesting to see who wants to take the gig on. Dealing with a obstinate set of players with a history of choking won't exactly won't exactly have the cv's rolling it. Assuming Jimmy doesn't want it; it might be a way for a manager to rehabilitate himself. I wonder would Donie Buckley want a cut at it? It would be madness to have James Horan back as seems to be the favoured choice of the players from reading the paper. He was shown to be tactically inept throughout his reign
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2015 20:31:35 GMT
Mayo need a big blue chip manager in what will be a sought after gig. Any cutting edge manager with real ambition and a thirst for a great challenge will relish this one. The short list is finite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 20:41:54 GMT
This is a very appealing job, the worse that can happen is what has happened for the last 50 years. The corofin manager seems to be the fancied candidate.
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 2, 2015 23:03:53 GMT
Yet again Mayo does the right thing in the wrong way. It was clear that change was needed but the manner in which it was brought about leaves these players with a mountain to climb next year. They should have looked south to Cork and learned from the outbreak of "player power" there. Any manager taking them on knows that the players will be calling the shots. That certainly won't suit JMcG.
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Post by peanuts on Oct 2, 2015 23:10:21 GMT
The corofin manager seems to be the fancied candidate. Stephen Rochford I believe is his name. From Crossmolina.
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Post by fitz on Oct 2, 2015 23:42:56 GMT
‘Jim McGuinness and hypocrisy go hand in hand – he blocked my wife and I from going on team holiday’ Independent Former Donegal player Kevin Cassidy has brandished Jim McGuinness’ recent complaints about the County Board regarding last year’s team holiday as “hypocritical”. Cassidy, who had a well-publicised fall-out with McGuinness in 2011 after the then All Star was thrown off the Donegal panel for contributing to a book entitled 'This Is Our Year', referenced a team holiday that he and his wife were denied permission to travel by McGuinness during his time in charge of the Ulster county. Speaking to Gaelic Life, Cassidy was withering in his assessment of McGuinness’ Irish Times column this week where he highlighted complaints he had over the end of season holiday to Dubai last year. “He (McGuinness) must have a short memory because it wasn’t that long ago that he blocked my wife and I from going on a team holiday,” he said. “The phrase; pot, kettle, black springs to mind!! But then again for me the words Jim McGuinness and hypocrisy go hand in hand!” McGuinness, the most successful manager in the county’s history after leading the Ulster side to an All-Ireland title in 2012 and three provincial titles during his four-year term, aired his grievances in the column entitled ‘Sadly I must wash some dirty linen in public’, discussing the team holiday which saw seven members of the party, including himself, not travel to the United Arab Emirates. The current Celtic employee wrote that he was told at the time that holiday vouchers could not be issued to those who couldn't travel because there was an “implication with revenue”. However when he consulted Croke Park on the issue, he was told those not travelling were entitled to travel vouchers. Croke Park issued a sum of €80,000 towards the team holiday, but the non-travelling members failed to receive any of the travel vouchers. McGuinness argues that it is about respect rather than the holiday, but the County Board responded to the claims of their former manager, denying any wrong-doing. “CLG Dhún na nGall wishes to clarify its position regarding the 2014 players and management teams holiday,” the statement read. “CLG Dhún na nGall correctly followed all guidelines as issued by Croke Park to Donegal County Committee regarding holidays and are satisfied that the holiday was organised fully in accordance with those guidelines as has been confirmed by Croke Park.” Cassidy was fine footballer, two time All Star on rubbish Donegal teams. Not having the medal must be agony. I will never forget that left footed winner against Kildare from static, must have been over 50 metres +. A gem.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 3, 2015 6:56:43 GMT
I hope Jimmy gets the gig Jimmy has a job. A couple in fact.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 3, 2015 9:15:15 GMT
It would be sheer madness to go back to James Horan.
Personally, I feel the Mayo players were right to voice disquiet if that is how they felt. I am not absolving them of responsibility, but clearly having the right manager matters. Look at the difference Gilroy made to Dublin, McGuinness to Donegal, Eamon Fitz to Kerry. Mayo need someone who is on top of the detail and tactically astute.
Connelly and Holmes emerge with credit for reading the situation and walking away with dignity intact.
I don't buy the comparisions with Cork. The blood-letting here is not as protracted or as public. Also, the pressure on Mayo to win an AI is already so great that I don't see this adding to it all that much.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 3, 2015 12:29:55 GMT
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Sideline Cut: Mayo players now need to be ruthless next summer
After the resignation of Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly who is out there that can make the tiny difference that will change the galaxy for Mayo football people?
Mayo joint-managers Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes stepped down on Friday night after a meeting of the Mayo county board executive.
The high point of Mayo’s football summer arrived as Aidan O’Shea gathered the brother’s long outfield ball shortly before half-time in the All-Ireland quarter-final against Donegal.
The two sleeping giants of west of Ireland have shared a sharpened attitude towards All-Ireland glory in recent years.
When the counties met in the All-Ireland final 2012, old defensive ghosts haunted the early part of the day for Mayo and they fell short again. They were back in a year later and lost by the narrowest of margins to Dublin and in the summer of 2014 they finished up on the wrong side of a raw semi-final battle against Kerry. By then, the question was unavoidable: what does this team have to do?
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Dublin star Diarmuid Connolly was sent off in the county final replay while playing for St Vincent’s against Ballymun Kickhams two years ago. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho.GAA preview: Club championships
Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes have announced their decision to stand down as Mayo senior football managers. Photograph: InphoNoel Connelly and Pat Holmes stand down as Mayo managers
Reports say 30 Mayo players turned up to a county board meeting on Thursday night. Photograph: Tommy Grealy/InphoMayo players turn out in show of strength to county board
Kilkenny’s TJ Reid is favourite for the Hurler of the Year award after an exceptional season with club and county. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/InphoHurling All Stars: Kilkenny and Galway lead nominations The answer, it seemed, fell from the sky along with the ball sent in by Séamus O’Shea. In a matter of seconds his younger brother had shaken off the attentions of Neil McGee to deliver a brilliant goal that sent Mayo on their way.
Although Aidan O’Shea had given an absolute clinic as a traditional full forward against Sligo, at once unstoppably powerful in his ball-winning and velvety in skill, this was a different kettle of fish. Here, he had outplayed the reigning All Star fullback and goalkeeper and scored against a team that guarded their goalmouth as if it was the last secret of Fatima.
In that instant, the horizon never looked clearer for Mayo Not only was the deployment of O’Shea at full forward a success, the novel selection of 6ft 5ins Barry Moran as a sweeper was helping to limit the effectiveness of Donegal’s Michael Murphy. Nobody was questioning the team’s management pairing of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes.
So what has happened since that early August weekend? In short, Mayo are not the All-Ireland champions.
Manifest destiny When James Horan took over in 2011, he not only took charge of the team, he implemented a sense of manifest destiny. He succeeded in changing the mental approach towards winning Mayo’s first All-Ireland since 1951 from if to when. Big defeats were written down as experiences and Mayo regrouped for the next season stronger and more willing. They were and remain a team of absolutists.
And they weren’t – and aren’t – delusional. Cold hard results told them that they were right there. But this summer was season five of the big push. Nothing lasts forever, however wonderful. The Sopranos had a mere seven seasons!
Even if it was left unspoken, the Mayo players would have been aware of a rhythmic ticking of a clock. They had learned all they could conceivably learn through losing big championship games. The time had come to win them.
It is as if the wheels have come off Mayo football this weekend. Firstly, the vote of no confidence in Holmes and Connelly made it impossible for the two men to continue. It is impossible not to have sympathy for the pair: former players with their own searing All-Ireland regrets, hugely committed to Mayo football and, above all, decent men.
Thursday evening’s startling show of unity by the squad, when 30 players reportedly showed up for a meeting with the Mayo county board executive, was nothing short of a peaceful revolt which ultimately led to the resignation of Holmes and Connolly on Friday night. Viewed from afar, it can easily be interpreted as a cold and unfair way to treat Holmes and Connelly. The senior Mayo players will be aware of this. They didn’t arrive at this point casually. After all, they spent all of last year training under Holmes and Connelly; they travelled to Portugal for a training camp, shared dressing-rooms, celebrated a fifth provincial championship and were a score away from eliminating the eventual All-Ireland champions (again). One assumes they shared a few good times during that period.
But this isn’t personal.
It is simply a question of time. There isn’t much of it left for this current Mayo team and if it breaks up without landing an All-Ireland, then the disappointment should be greater than the combined pain of all those September losses from 1989-2013. In short, it will be unconscionable for the international army of Mayo football supporters if this team falls the way of his predecessors simply because they are good enough to win it.
Or are they?
As it turned out, O’Shea’s raid on Donegal was a deception rather than a portent. It was fool’s gold. Not once over the course of two games against Dublin did Mayo succeed in delivering anything like that pass into their figurehead. Clearly, O’Shea could reap havoc but only if he was given the scythe.
But bothersome questions remained: how come they always get taken for goals in big games? How come their scoring rate deteriorated from 2-11 from play against Donegal to 0-6 from play in their next outing against Dublin? And what happened when they had Dublin reeling and facing demons of their own?
Ultimate answers Clearly, the squad feels the ultimate answers to questions like these lay with the management. Certainly, Mayo did not look as rock steady as they did under Horan. Win or lose, Mayo were steadfast in their gaze during that era. But there was something uneasy about the atmosphere around MacHale Park on the cold Saturday night when Dublin pulverised Mayo. It was only the league but we had come to believe Mayo would not take a pummelling like that anymore.
And as well as the Moran improvisation worked against Donegal, it was still just that: an idea hatched from left field. The big man was gone for the next match, replaced by championship debutante David Drake. When you win, these innovations are hailed as tactical masterstrokes. But when you lose, they seem like the inverse of innovation – making it up as you go along.
After last night’s events, at least the dispute has been resolved. The Mayo team will have new management in place next year. The big question is, who? Who is out there that can make the tiny difference that will change the galaxy for Mayo football people?
Perhaps the players know. Players are players: they have to believe they are good enough or else they are already finished. They have to believe the fault lies elsewhere. This particular team have earned nationwide respect for their commitment but this is a radical step. And it makes one thing clear. If there is an element of coldness about the way the players have conducted themselves, then that is the very quality they will need to summon next summer when they are back in the same place; so close to the unforgettable fire that they can all but feel it.
The new management will need to clear away all obstacles and give them a clear vision of how. But it will be up to the players to take that last step.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 3, 2015 13:49:32 GMT
Lots of shenanigans cross the border. Cleary doing a very good impression of the hokey-cokey, gone from being in to out to in again and has currently landed on out. Major issue seems to be that Frank wouldn't sign off on providing what Cleary thought was the necessary budget to compete. The reason behind it all is that the new stadium has gone well over budget. Frank and the CCB lads are in serious trouble there by all accounts. Everyone I've talked to about it seems to have a different version of how much over budget things have gone (I'm not sure anyone actually knows for certain) but all agree is that it's fairly significant. The fact that Frank used the excuse of staying on to manage the stadium project to stay in situ and the whole thing is gone/going way over budget hasn't been lost on anyone. There's a meeting of the county board on Tuesday which could well be "interesting" I have heard a few "interesting" accounts of the celebratory dinner mentioned in Dublin below - have heard various different versions of what occurred but with some differing details and the fact that none of the people I was talking to were actually there but were recounting what they heard, I'm not going to post any details but overall Frank was given a serious insight into how he's viewed by a significant amount of those present. I have to say the description of "loud in their praise and support for Cleary" is definitely a very cute way of phrasing what I heard went on and certainly chimes overall with the different versions of the story I heard. As someone said to me when we talking about the strikes in Mayo and the goings-on in Cork - "It's not strikes we have to worry about in Cork now, it's liquidation" It was a bit tongue-in-cheek but overall things are very bad. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/john-cleary-not-in-the-running-to-replace-cuthbert-in-cork-football-hot-seat-357364.html
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Post by glengael on Oct 4, 2015 11:18:38 GMT
I see rebellion is spreading to Galway hurlers now.
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Post by glengael on Oct 7, 2015 8:06:11 GMT
15 years ago today, Kerry beat Galway in the All Ireland replay.
Seamus Moynihan was captain, man of the match, chief executive and every other job besides.
It was on a Saturday afternoon. Sonia O'Sullivan brought her Olympic silver medal along. Our younger readers may not be aware of the controversy caused by not playing the replay on the Sunday. The International Rules match was fixed for the Sunday and Could Not Be Moved in Any Circumstances( the more things change, the more etc etc ......).
It was the last knockout championship and Kerry played 6 and a half long games to win it. Apart from the Munster Final, I seem to remember rocky patches in every game. Maurice rescued us v Armagh and Mike Hassett got finally got his medal alongside his brother.
I enjoyed some of the best days out ever as a Kerry supporter and although it rained for most of that winter, it didn't seem so bad with those memories still fresh.
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Post by fitz on Oct 7, 2015 9:41:18 GMT
Lots of shenanigans cross the border. Cleary doing a very good impression of the hokey-cokey, gone from being in to out to in again and has currently landed on out. Major issue seems to be that Frank wouldn't sign off on providing what Cleary thought was the necessary budget to compete. The reason behind it all is that the new stadium has gone well over budget. Frank and the CCB lads are in serious trouble there by all accounts. Everyone I've talked to about it seems to have a different version of how much over budget things have gone (I'm not sure anyone actually knows for certain) but all agree is that it's fairly significant. The fact that Frank used the excuse of staying on to manage the stadium project to stay in situ and the whole thing is gone/going way over budget hasn't been lost on anyone. There's a meeting of the county board on Tuesday which could well be "interesting" I have heard a few "interesting" accounts of the celebratory dinner mentioned in Dublin below - have heard various different versions of what occurred but with some differing details and the fact that none of the people I was talking to were actually there but were recounting what they heard, I'm not going to post any details but overall Frank was given a serious insight into how he's viewed by a significant amount of those present. I have to say the description of "loud in their praise and support for Cleary" is definitely a very cute way of phrasing what I heard went on and certainly chimes overall with the different versions of the story I heard. As someone said to me when we talking about the strikes in Mayo and the goings-on in Cork - "It's not strikes we have to worry about in Cork now, it's liquidation" It was a bit tongue-in-cheek but overall things are very bad. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/john-cleary-not-in-the-running-to-replace-cuthbert-in-cork-football-hot-seat-357364.htmlJust announced, Cork and Mayo will merge to become Corkyo, a source from headquarters confirmed. It was an inevitable alignment given the clear pattern in underperforming squads, manager dissatisfaction, losing big matches and shambolic county board workings, though Cork clearly have the upper hand there, an isolated victory. It has been agreed that a man born in Cork but living in Mayo will take the helm. The job description reads 'Help wanted, no experience necessary as players will run the show'. The matter of Provincial Championship participation will be addressed some time in the future
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 7, 2015 10:59:50 GMT
Just announced, Cork and Mayo will merge to become Corkyo, a source from headquarters confirmed. It was an inevitable alignment given the clear pattern in underperforming squads, manager dissatisfaction, losing big matches and shambolic county board workings, though Cork clearly have the upper hand there, an isolated victory. It has been agreed that a man born in Cork but living in Mayo will take the helm. The job description reads 'Help wanted, no experience necessary as players will run the show'. The matter of Provincial Championship participation will be addressed some time in the future On the finances in Cork Extremely short-notice, in a venue they can't confirm despite it being in 3 days times, in camera and only open to "accredited board members" - it's almost like there's something to hide.... On the management side of things - A Cork football man told me earlier that it's being 10 weeks since Cuthbert resigned - as he said obviously nothing relevant to the Cork football manager has been going on in those 10 weeks (apart from pretty much the entire county championship) - and with only the final left to play now and there is decent odds there won't even be a manager in place by then. A massive issue now that Cleary is out is trying to find someone who is acceptable to the football squad who will actually take the job. Latest I've heard is that the CCB were trying to force some of the lads who were involved with Cuthbert onto the squad but the squad have said "no way" At this stage I'd imagine that there is large chunks of the footballing part of Cork where it's unsafe for Frank and some of the CB lads to travel such is the anger among the Cork footballing folk. The general feeling from the football panel seems to be that they "put up" with Cuthbert for 2 years despite thinking he was out-of-his-depth from day one. After their embarrassment this year and last, the panel have zero humour for accepting a sub-standard new manager, especially when they have the example of the lads in Mayo not being willing to put up with lads who weren't up to it. This year's championship results have really strengthened the case of those who were arguing that Cuthbert should have gone straight away last year and the feeling in the squad is of not wanting to waste another year (or more). I have to say that I wouldn't bet against a strike in Cork. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/government-signs-off-on-30m-pairc-ui-chaoimh-grant-357976.html
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 7, 2015 11:03:59 GMT
Why didn't they go for Cian O'Neill??!
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Post by donegalman on Oct 7, 2015 11:09:00 GMT
Mayo will not get McGuinness, as he is committed to celtic. There would be no way he would walk away from his job, with the money involved in it. I would say that Mayo will possibly look at the corofin manager, or look at their own u21 manager. There is little point in going back to horan yet. He will have a say in mayos footballing future, but not just yet. I can see him going back to manage mayo in 2 or 3 years time. The players love him, and in fairness to him, he seemed to get the best out of them.
Kevin Cassidy was sold out re the donegal holiday. I think that there are massive double standards going on here. McGuinness was right in the point that he made, but wrong on a couple of counts.
1 It is a team holiday, not a holiday voucher spree. If you go anywhere on your own, it is not a team holiday. 2 He was guilty of omitting donegal's best footballer pre michael murphy from the holiday in 2011 due to personal reasons. 3 I am only guessing, which is dangerous, but I wonder who took the empty seats on the holiday, and therefore if they were filled the budget was thus spent.
Donegal county board are in a no win situation if this is the case. Use the 80000 budget in a team holiday, or forfeit the places that are not filled. Therefore they could have been forced to use them - or lose them.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 7, 2015 11:12:23 GMT
Why didn't they go for Cian O'Neill??! An outside manager in Cork - no way. Imported Kildare footballers are one thing but a manager is a different kettle of fish. I'd imagine that O'Neil, despite living there, had no interest whatsoever in taking the job, given the likely conditions/constraints he would have had to work under.
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Post by mandad on Oct 7, 2015 15:23:12 GMT
You would have to wonder when and why did Cian O'Neill decide to exit the Kerry set up? His name did not feature in Kildare until very late and Glen Ryan was the name talked about.
Supporters on here and indeed throughout the game are speculating on what retirements from the panel are likely as well as from within the coaching and management set-up. Some seem to think that Mark and Aiden are practically certain to retire. My own opinion would be that there is a good chance that Mark will remain on and that maybe Aiden could be 'persuaded' to give it one more year. With regard to the Management - my tuppence worth would be that Diarmuid and Mikey will continue and I would expect that Pádraig Corcoran will be given lead role of Strength & Conditioning. Pádraig is a very competent operator who has been with the squad for three years now and knows the job well.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2015 17:26:54 GMT
You would have to wonder when and why did Cian O'Neill decide to exit the Kerry set up? His name did not feature in Kildare until very late and Glen Ryan was the name talked about. Supporters on here and indeed throughout the game are speculating on what retirements from the panel are likely as well as from within the coaching and management set-up. Some seem to think that Mark and Aiden are practically certain to retire. My own opinion would be that there is a good chance that Mark will remain on and that maybe Aiden could be 'persuaded' to give it one more year. With regard to the Management - my tuppence worth would be that Diarmuid and Mikey will continue and I would expect that Pádraig Corcoran will be given lead role of Strength & Conditioning. Pádraig is a very competent operator who has been with the squad for three years now and knows the job well. Agree regarding Marc and Aidan, both players could stay on and contribute in 2016 for Kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2015 17:27:58 GMT
Just announced, Cork and Mayo will merge to become Corkyo, a source from headquarters confirmed. It was an inevitable alignment given the clear pattern in underperforming squads, manager dissatisfaction, losing big matches and shambolic county board workings, though Cork clearly have the upper hand there, an isolated victory. It has been agreed that a man born in Cork but living in Mayo will take the helm. The job description reads 'Help wanted, no experience necessary as players will run the show'. The matter of Provincial Championship participation will be addressed some time in the future On the finances in Cork Extremely short-notice, in a venue they can't confirm despite it being in 3 days times, in camera and only open to "accredited board members" - it's almost like there's something to hide.... On the management side of things - A Cork football man told me earlier that it's being 10 weeks since Cuthbert resigned - as he said obviously nothing relevant to the Cork football manager has been going on in those 10 weeks (apart from pretty much the entire county championship) - and with only the final left to play now and there is decent odds there won't even be a manager in place by then. A massive issue now that Cleary is out is trying to find someone who is acceptable to the football squad who will actually take the job. Latest I've heard is that the CCB were trying to force some of the lads who were involved with Cuthbert onto the squad but the squad have said "no way" At this stage I'd imagine that there is large chunks of the footballing part of Cork where it's unsafe for Frank and some of the CB lads to travel such is the anger among the Cork footballing folk. The general feeling from the football panel seems to be that they "put up" with Cuthbert for 2 years despite thinking he was out-of-his-depth from day one. After their embarrassment this year and last, the panel have zero humour for accepting a sub-standard new manager, especially when they have the example of the lads in Mayo not being willing to put up with lads who weren't up to it. This year's championship results have really strengthened the case of those who were arguing that Cuthbert should have gone straight away last year and the feeling in the squad is of not wanting to waste another year (or more). I have to say that I wouldn't bet against a strike in Cork. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/government-signs-off-on-30m-pairc-ui-chaoimh-grant-357976.htmlWasn't Cuthbert a Frank man?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 22:03:05 GMT
I think to be manager in cork you almost have to be one of franks guys. Cuthberts willingness to accommodate the dual players was a big factor in his appointment.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2015 23:04:12 GMT
That won't cut it with the players. Players are investing their time, they are right to call it as they see it.
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