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Post by aranteorainn on Sept 6, 2015 16:45:20 GMT
Appearances in the All Ireland Final - do we realise how fortunate we are - only seven counties have been in more than ten All Ireland Finals. Kerry 58, Dublin 37, Cork 23, Galway 24, Meath 15, Mayo 14, Cavan 11. cork have been in 23 finals??? they have won 7 right? i didn't realise they had such a poor return from all ireland final appearances. , 45 , 56 , 57, 67 , 73, 87 , 88 , 90 , 91 , 93 , 99 , 07 , 09 and 2010. Corks modern day record. 14 apps 4 wins.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 6, 2015 17:07:10 GMT
Referee for the final, P.Hughes or M.Duffy?
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Post by fg on Sept 6, 2015 17:18:24 GMT
David Coldrick I'd imagine, god I'm slow, that was tongue in cheek by you, LOL.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 6, 2015 17:28:12 GMT
What about this Gough fellow?
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Post by homerj on Sept 6, 2015 17:35:48 GMT
Where's the after March party on?
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Post by buck02 on Sept 6, 2015 18:07:09 GMT
Appearances in the All Ireland Final - do we realise how fortunate we are - only seven counties have been in more than ten All Ireland Finals. Kerry 58, Dublin 37, Cork 23, Galway 24, Meath 15, Mayo 14, Cavan 11. cork have been in 23 finals??? they have won 7 right? i didn't realise they had such a poor return from all ireland final appearances. Yes but if it wasn't for the weather and the referee they would have won the 16 finals they lost. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 6, 2015 18:17:02 GMT
David Coldrick I'd imagine, god I'm slow, that was tongue in cheek by you, LOL. Genuine question. Usually the ref is not from the same province as the competing counties. Also the ref for final usually doesnt get a semi final.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 18:56:56 GMT
cork have been in 23 finals??? they have won 7 right? i didn't realise they had such a poor return from all ireland final appearances. Yes but if it wasn't for the weather and the referee they would have won the 16 finals they lost. Sorry, couldn't resist. Take out the two Fahy and Thompkins won for them and the record is even more threadbare!
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Post by Chinatown on Sept 6, 2015 20:46:12 GMT
The Dubs looked rudderless halfway through the second half and could have gone the way of the Donegal semi final last year only for Mayo to implode and self destruct. It will be a massive test for Kerry to close out this final. They will have to be exceptional on the day in their play and decision making and tactically brilliant to counteract the Dublin threats. It has the makings of another classic the along lines of 2011 and 2013. It will be a short two weeks. Any bigger than the test that was posed last year?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 20:59:08 GMT
The Dubs looked rudderless halfway through the second half and could have gone the way of the Donegal semi final last year only for Mayo to implode and self destruct. It will be a massive test for Kerry to close out this final. They will have to be exceptional on the day in their play and decision making and tactically brilliant to counteract the Dublin threats. It has the makings of another classic the along lines of 2011 and 2013. It will be a short two weeks. Any bigger than the test that was posed last year? Dublin have a way more pace than Donegal not to mention the oxygen of goals pulling the strings on the hill in a home venue for Dublin. Kerry will have to be exceptional to win this game. The game is there for both teams to win it rather than for one to lose it. Hard to know or quantify which year is the greater test. Dublin probably have more potential than Donegal to explode into life. It is a challenge Kerry will relish on the back of losing in 2011 and 2013 to Dublin.
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Post by asithappens on Sept 6, 2015 21:17:36 GMT
Match Betting - Paddy Power: Kerry 6/5 Draw 15/2 Dublin 10/11
Handicap Betting: Kerry (+1 Point) 4/5 Handicap Draw (-1 Point) 17/2 Dublin (-1 Point) 5/4
To Lift The Cup: Kerry Evens Dublin 8/11
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Post by thepope on Sept 6, 2015 22:29:57 GMT
I think the match up will be Enright - Brogan Marc - Andrews Murphy - Kilkenny Crowley - Flynn Lyne - Connelly Killian - Alan Brogan / Rock / McManamon Christ, Killian is going to be busy. Marc on Brogan?
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2015 23:11:19 GMT
The runners though the middle issue is nothing new; it's been touted as our Achilles heel for as long as I can remember. Frankly it is a problem for every team that doesn't play an ultra-(and ultimately match-losing)-blanket. Our biggest problems are from turnovers. The commonality is many of them occurs down the middle which then adds the legs to the phrase. These are our vulnerabilities that create the potential for the Dublin goal oxygen. We've got to manage this risk as one of the highest priorities on 20th.
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 7, 2015 0:51:36 GMT
Yes but if it wasn't for the weather and the referee they would have won the 16 finals they lost. Sorry, couldn't resist. Take out the two Fahy and Thompkins won for them and the record is even more threadbare! That's a ridiculous thing to say.
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Post by fg on Sept 7, 2015 8:22:42 GMT
David Coldrick I'd imagine, god I'm slow, that was tongue in cheek by you, LOL. Genuine question. Usually the ref is not from the same province as the competing counties. Also the ref for final usually doesnt get a semi final. Coldrick did not ref any of the semi-finals but that's a valid point about a ref from the same province of a competing team, i'm not sure has any precedent been already set.
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Post by yourholiness on Sept 7, 2015 10:30:08 GMT
Genuine question. Usually the ref is not from the same province as the competing counties. Also the ref for final usually doesnt get a semi final. Coldrick did not ref any of the semi-finals but that's a valid point about a ref from the same province of a competing team, i'm not sure has any precedent been already set. Paddy Russell in 89 None since Don't think it's set in stone Saturday's ref was from Leinster but may try to avoid that for final .
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 7, 2015 11:11:15 GMT
Appearances in the All Ireland Final - do we realise how fortunate we are - only seven counties have been in more than ten All Ireland Finals. Kerry 58, Dublin 37, Cork 23, Galway 24, Meath 15, Mayo 14, Cavan 11. cork have been in 23 finals??? they have won 7 right? i didn't realise they had such a poor return from all ireland final appearances. Yes - Cork share the record with Mayo for the longest sequence of appearances in the final without a win - 7. (they lost seven finals between winning in 1890 and 1911.
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Post by animal on Sept 7, 2015 13:24:24 GMT
Are the team taking a weekend away this year in Fota or elsewhere like they did in the past? Can't recall whether they went away last year or not. I'm thinking they didn't. I remember a lot of talk about Donegal doing a 5 day camp in Lough Erne last year.
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Post by animal on Sept 7, 2015 13:29:23 GMT
Will also be listening with interest for updates on Cian O'Sullivan's injury. He was carried off at the end of the game by two mentors. I heard it was his hammer. The Dubs will be anxious to have him fit. He's a vital defender for them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 15:44:36 GMT
Both teams have serious subs to bring in and that could be the winning of the game.Dublins subs were brilliant when introduced and kerrys subs have been great. With 10 minutes left and the sides level it will be interesting.Kerry could have Donaghy Sheehan Darren Keane Tommy Walsh O'Mahony Galvin Fionn Fitzgerald Sherwood serious subs. Dublin could have Alan Brogan McManamon Bastick Costello Fitzsimons Brady Byrne Carthy Small Daly. I think Dublin will start MacAuley with Fenton. I think they will start Rock and keep Brogan and McManamon for the last 25 minutes. I think Kerry will start Geaney and Crowley. Keep Donaghy in reserve. Buckley will start too i think. Kerry will have to defend a lot better than Mayo did.I think they will. It will be a very close game. Hard to call will McManamon do the damage again like he has in the past?. 1 point win will do. We are due a drawn final. I think 2000 was the last one. What are the odds on a draw?
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Post by buck02 on Sept 7, 2015 16:12:32 GMT
Will Jack Sherwood be back from injury? Would he be the type of player to mark McAuley when he comes on or would there be too much baggage from the 2013 semi final?
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Post by englebert on Sept 7, 2015 16:12:56 GMT
Genuine question. Usually the ref is not from the same province as the competing counties. Also the ref for final usually doesnt get a semi final. Coldrick did not ref any of the semi-finals but that's a valid point about a ref from the same province of a competing team, i'm not sure has any precedent been already set. David Coldrick also lives and works in Dublin - surely that should cast doubt on him?
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 7, 2015 16:54:48 GMT
What do people think about the kickouts? What will Kerry do?
It is undoubtedly vital to frustrate Cluxton to a degree, but you need to keep your shape. The media consensus is that Mayo were crazy to concede kick-outs. They forced Cluxton to go short, and I can't remember instances of him pinging the 60 yard balls that he is capable of doing.
Colm O'Rourke talked of going man to man and then bringing your sweeper back if you lose possession. The thing is that if you go fully man to man your wing-backs for example could be pulled completely out of position.
It's a tricky one. I would not get wildly carried away about our advantage at midfield. It is 60/40 on a good day if all 4 midfielders play to their best (I'm expecting MacAuley and Fenton to start).
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 7, 2015 16:57:09 GMT
Both teams have serious subs to bring in and that could be the winning of the game.Dublins subs were brilliant when introduced and kerrys subs have been great. With 10 minutes left and the sides level it will be interesting.Kerry could have Donaghy Sheehan Darren Keane Tommy Walsh O'Mahony Galvin Fionn Fitzgerald Sherwood serious subs. Dublin could have Alan Brogan McManamon Bastick Costello Fitzsimons Brady Byrne Carthy Small Daly. I think Dublin will start MacAuley with Fenton. I think they will start Rock and keep Brogan and McManamon for the last 25 minutes. I think Kerry will start Geaney and Crowley. Keep Donaghy in reserve. Buckley will start too i think. Kerry will have to defend a lot better than Mayo did.I think they will. It will be a very close game. Hard to call will McManamon do the damage again like he has in the past?. 1 point win will do. We are due a drawn final. I think 2000 was the last one. What are the odds on a draw? The more I think about this game, the more I see merit in starting Donaghy and Geaney. I could see that being the inside line that would most discommode the Dubs. Tricky one then regarding who you would drop.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2015 16:59:47 GMT
Will Jack Sherwood be back from injury? Would he be the type of player to mark McAuley when he comes on or would there be too much baggage from the 2013 semi final? McAuley or McManamon? I don't recall JS having done much since 2013 to get another shot at it in an All-Ireland final?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 7, 2015 17:27:29 GMT
Are these two teams the most similar pair?, well they are in terms of class, but also style, and both have strong benches and will use the 20. And there is a great history here too; I think Kerry is the one team the auld Dubs like, love to hate maybe? Many stories will be regaled on the previous era when both were at the top.
And a word of caution, let's not bee so foolish with providing them with breeding stock as we were in the past!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2015 20:14:07 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2015 22:07:54 GMT
Dublin: S Cluxton; J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon; J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, D Bastick; P Flynn, D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan, D Rock, P Andrews.
Subs: MD Macauley for Bastick (44), M Fitzsimons for Cooper (44), A Brogan for Flynn (51), K McManamon for Rock (53), E Lowndes for Connolly (68), J Small for B Brogan (71).
I don't think Dublin will spring anyone else at this stage so the 21 players that they will play in the final will come from those.
The first thing that strikes me is that the forward bar Connolly are not the greatest fielders of a ball over their head. Paddy Andrews was put into possession for 5 points and he showed accuracy that like Stephen ONeill in his prime. But he can be managed in a situation where a defence is tight and well organised.
I think Dublin have it over Kerry in their ability to post long range points. Connolly, Kilkenny, James McCarthy, Flynn can all lamp them over for 45 metres. Kerry are improving in that area but the Dubs are better in this.
Dublins quick hands when running through will cut open any defence and McManamon is unstoppable legally. MDMA can turn a game like no one else in a few minutes. He was directly involved in 2.02 against Mayo between the 53rd and 56th minute. He is well able to field his own ball but is just as happy to spoil and slap his opponents hand and lots of breaking ball gets picked up by blue shirts when he does that.
Bernard is not a notable fielder over his head either and a well organised tight defensive formation can cut out the handy hopping ball that he thrives on.
On paper our midfield is better but young Fenton is here to stay and had a fine game last Saturday.
Johnny Cooper and Philly McMahon are not tall men and will struggle against Colm, Paul Geaney and KD in the air.
Cian OSullivan clearly pulled a muscle on sat and his well being will be crucial.
I think that Kerry should adopt the template from last year.... deny the Dubs space to score goals, they wont win ball in the air in the forwards, crack Cluxtons kickouts and force the Dubs half back line to concentrate on defending.
It will then come down to grit, determination and guts.
Kilkenny had more of that than Galway yesterday when it mattered even though KK have medals coming out of their ears and Galway haven't won one in 28 years.
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Post by augustafield on Sept 7, 2015 22:26:07 GMT
This final will be in the melting pot with 25 minutes to go , fitness will then be all important which is where the subs impact and both teams have plenty of good ones to call upon. It will be harder for EF to decide who to leave out of the starting 15 than what subs to bring in. But in him we must trust - he calls the shots , he knows the Dubs form and ability , knows that MDA is beginning to motor again but especially he should know the tendency of certain events to affect the occurrence of other events in the physical world is known as causal relevance and if it is clear that a certain remedy exists to alleviate or curtail adverse affects such steps ought to be taken by those who are empowered to change the status quo: EMBRACING CAUSALITY IN FORMAL REASONING by J.Pearl (1988)and of course I'm referring to the introduction of Mr.McMenomen to the game. Be assured if we are a few points to the good he can turn the game on its head - even a healthy lead would be no assurance of a soft landing in his presence - so whatever about keeping the middle tight , Mr Mac must be kept on a tight rein at all times. We can't say we hav'nt been warned and his two goals against Mayo are instant reminders. That Dub is our greatest danger. So stopping him is absolutely vital. Allow him to run at us and be afraid , be very afraid.
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 7, 2015 22:55:29 GMT
I don't get it..what do you mean by that?
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