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Post by Jo90 on Sept 7, 2015 23:49:50 GMT
I'm glad to see Kerry are outsiders with the bookies. The last 2 All Irelands Kerry have won they've been outsiders. One thing that might help Kerry would be a very wet day, just simply from the practice Kerry have had v Cork and Tyrone. Black cards might be crucial. Can see both sides picking up some. A lot being said of Kevin McManamon's direct running being hard to stop but Darren O'Sullivan is looking just as effective this year. The transition/turnovers will be crucial. When Kerry are set up defensively with the half forwards back they're very hard to crack but look vulnerable to fast breaks before they're set up. Frees will be interesting. Cluxton is 0 from 6, Rock not much better. Will JOD and Connolly be the takers on the day?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 8, 2015 0:56:18 GMT
I wouldn't base a prediction of how the final will play out on an analysis of the semis. Kerry are as different to Mayo as Dublin are to Tyrone, and managers know this.
I'd be inclined to take a general view of both teams throughout the year. Few see how dangerous we are when we run at the opposition and the fact is that any competent player running in possession has the advantage and the defender has all to lose.
Be jazus but KD and Geaney and many more of our fellas have scored when fielding high ball with a handful of opponents around them, so this aspect may be one of our comparative strengths.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 8, 2015 6:38:38 GMT
Reports on the radio this morning states it was Cian O'Sullivan's hamstring and not cramp. He'd be a major loss, he is Dublins most important defender I'd suggest.
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Post by Chinatown on Sept 8, 2015 7:30:05 GMT
This final will be in the melting pot with 25 minutes to go , fitness will then be all important which is where the subs impact and both teams have plenty of good ones to call upon. It will be harder for EF to decide who to leave out of the starting 15 than what subs to bring in. But in him we must trust - he calls the shots , he knows the Dubs form and ability , knows that MDA is beginning to motor again but especially he should know the tendency of certain events to affect the occurrence of other events in the physical world is known as causal relevance and if it is clear that a certain remedy exists to alleviate or curtail adverse affects such steps ought to be taken by those who are empowered to change the status quo: EMBRACING CAUSALITY IN FORMAL REASONING by J.Pearl (1988)and of course I'm referring to the introduction of Mr.McMenomen to the game. Be assured if we are a few points to the good he can turn the game on its head - even a healthy lead would be no assurance of a soft landing in his presence - so whatever about keeping the middle tight , Mr Mac must be kept on a tight rein at all times. We can't say we hav'nt been warned and his two goals against Mayo are instant reminders. That Dub is our greatest danger. So stopping him is absolutely vital. Allow him to run at us and be afraid , be very afraid. Feel like giving the kids an extra hug this evening after that ominous warning. Don't let the fear takeover
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 9:42:42 GMT
This final will be in the melting pot with 25 minutes to go , fitness will then be all important which is where the subs impact and both teams have plenty of good ones to call upon. It will be harder for EF to decide who to leave out of the starting 15 than what subs to bring in. But in him we must trust - he calls the shots , he knows the Dubs form and ability , knows that MDA is beginning to motor again but especially he should know the tendency of certain events to affect the occurrence of other events in the physical world is known as causal relevance and if it is clear that a certain remedy exists to alleviate or curtail adverse affects such steps ought to be taken by those who are empowered to change the status quo: EMBRACING CAUSALITY IN FORMAL REASONING by J.Pearl (1988)and of course I'm referring to the introduction of Mr.McMenomen to the game. Be assured if we are a few points to the good he can turn the game on its head - even a healthy lead would be no assurance of a soft landing in his presence - so whatever about keeping the middle tight , Mr Mac must be kept on a tight rein at all times. We can't say we hav'nt been warned and his two goals against Mayo are instant reminders. That Dub is our greatest danger. So stopping him is absolutely vital. Allow him to run at us and be afraid , be very afraid. Feel like giving the kids an extra hug this evening after that ominous warning. Don't let the fear takeover We'd be foolhardy to think McMenamin is their greatest danger, he is a big danger and we must have a specific matchup to meet his arrival. Make no mistake Dublin have FIVE and a half of the finest forwards in the country with Al Brogan dropping the half point and they all need special attention. McAuley was good for sure, but he came into a match littered with well battered bodies. We'll see how he's going in second half assuming he will start after the Cu Maher has been hopping off him for 50 minutes. They may not be looking to Bastick to come and bail water.
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 8, 2015 9:57:24 GMT
Excellent column from Jim McGuiness again this week, one thing he suggested is that he thought Mayo could have put Barry Moran into FF alongside O'Shea and with better ball in, could have caused major problems.
I wonder with this in mind, might EF go for Donaghy? Geaney and Cooper are both excellent in the air also. I think the aerial route could prove fruitful. Of course the danger is overdoing it, so a varied attacking game will be important.
I wonder even could Tommy W see some gametime? A long shot probably, but if he is going well he could be a great option.
I think we will push up on the kick outs for sure, but probably marking the space as opposed to man to man. Most likely then Cluxton will be looking for wing forwards running to the wing. We will have to be careful not to be caught by the long one over everyone if we push up too much.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 8, 2015 11:50:26 GMT
Reports on the radio this morning states it was Cian O'Sullivan's hamstring and not cramp. He'd be a major loss, he is Dublins most important defender I'd suggest. I thought it looked like a hamstring watching it live.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 8, 2015 11:52:23 GMT
Who will Kerry set to mark Kilkenny? ... He's a serious player and just goes on about his business without too much fuss .. He's worth a watching for sure !! ..
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Post by Derek on Sept 8, 2015 12:58:11 GMT
Excellent column from Jim McGuiness again this week, one thing he suggested is that he thought Mayo could have put Barry Moran into FF alongside O'Shea and with better ball in, could have caused major problems. I wonder with this in mind, might EF go for Donaghy? Geaney and Cooper are both excellent in the air also. I think the aerial route could prove fruitful. Of course the danger is overdoing it, so a varied attacking game will be important. quote] Does this mean you'd drop the current player of the year? Or is it a call between Kieran and Paul Geaney with Gooch and James in the corners?
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Post by donegalman on Sept 8, 2015 13:04:51 GMT
I think Kilkenny is definitely dublins ace. He seems to be full of running and never drops his head. Lethal when he gets a chance too. The weak link in the dublin attack is Rock. Doesnt like when the pressure is on. McMenimin is also rightly dublins super sub. He will cause mayhem if he is allowed run at any defense. How to stop him though?
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 13:05:15 GMT
Reports on the radio this morning states it was Cian O'Sullivan's hamstring and not cramp. He'd be a major loss, he is Dublins most important defender I'd suggest. I thought it looked like a hamstring watching it live. Be surprised if he doesn't make it, seemingly innocent enough cause of tear, seemed to be just running, not full sprinting. I've done two hammers in the last year, not major tears, but no way could one continue running. Fair bit of bruising. Was back after 3 weeks with one and 2 weeks the other with no problems with none of the treatment Cian will get. Cryotherapy, everything that can be done will be done. Each person responds differently of course. The only concern I'd have is he was helped off, I could walk both times, but that was probably precautionary. They'll have to put him through a vigorous fitness test. No point in starting a lad to have him break down e.g. Shefflin 2010. Massive psychological blow. Being honest there is a part of me that is initially happy when your hear an opposition player, a key one is injured. Not personally toward the player, but the automatic thought, it increases our chances of winning. Then, I reflect and two things come to mind: 1) It is terrible for player to train all year and to then be struck down before the big day. O'Sullivan seems like a good lad, and a clean quality footballer. 2) You want to play the opposition at their best, so there can be no ifs, buts etc...you want to prove you're the best. For those reasons I hope he recovers in time.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 8, 2015 13:16:13 GMT
Is it OK not to be confident? Usually I start confident but then get the heebie-jeebies closer to the match. I hope I don't get more and more confident closer to the match because I could get a fierce land if the Dubs do win. Step 1: Start Drinking Step 2: Get Confident Step 3: Step 4: Sam in Kerry
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 14:20:18 GMT
Who will Kerry set to mark Kilkenny? ... He's a serious player and just goes on about his business without too much fuss .. He's worth a watching for sure !! .. Fionn Fitzgerald perhaps? I know he has been out of the first team with some time now but he gave a good showing against Tyrone in the semi when replacing Mark. I remember him doing a good job man marking him Kilkenny in 2013 semi and holding him to a point. Only problem you are left with is who to drop? But given EF ability to choose players to suit what Kerry are playing I can see him playing.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 14:20:59 GMT
I think EF will have to try and anticipate when Dublin are going to introduce KMac. I'm sure he'll have a plan but last year Enright was sprung to do a job on McBrearty when he came on but it took a few mins to get him on and that stage he had scored a couple of points.
I can see Crowley starting to maybe do a job on Connolly (who is due a big game) and maybe Aidan coming in for last 25 mins.
Cian O'Sullivan is a doubt for the Dubs and he would be a huge loss for them if he doesn't make it. Would give Gavin a serious problem.
Dublin as slight favourites with PP and probably justifiably so given that we are going back-to-back and their record against us in recent years.
The possibility of losing to Dublin 3 times in 4 years should be enough to get the lads minds right and certainly should even up the hunger stakes.
Would be worried about the 4 week break but Dublin really only have a week to prepare given that most of this week will be recovery mode.
Makes for an intriguing game which will probably closer to 2011 final than 2013 semi.
Dubs over on Reservoir are quite confident that they have more scoring forwards than us, slighter better backs and an evenly matched bench.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 8, 2015 14:25:33 GMT
Crowley nullified Kilkenny in 2013. Kilkenny is probably an improved player now but I see no reason why Crowley won't match up to him again.
Regarding the referee, I hope it isn't Coldrick.
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 8, 2015 14:26:58 GMT
Excellent column from Jim McGuiness again this week, one thing he suggested is that he thought Mayo could have put Barry Moran into FF alongside O'Shea and with better ball in, could have caused major problems. I wonder with this in mind, might EF go for Donaghy? Geaney and Cooper are both excellent in the air also. I think the aerial route could prove fruitful. Of course the danger is overdoing it, so a varied attacking game will be important. quote] Does this mean you'd drop the current player of the year? Or is it a call between Kieran and Paul Geaney with Gooch and James in the corners? Ah no, JOD is as close to undroppable as you can get imo. The play making he has done this year has gone unnoticed this year by most, probably not on here mind. It's probably a Kieran or Paul situation, but was just throwing it out there as a possible tactic. Dublin dealt with the high ball in v Mayo well, but the deliverly was hopeless and O'Shea was isolated. EF will surely have something up his sleeve, just trying to hazard a guess at what it might be...
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 14:29:40 GMT
Crowley nullified Kilkenny in 2013. Kilkenny is probably an improved player now but I see no reason why Crowley won't match up to him again. Regarding the referee, I hope it isn't Coldrick. Kilkenny is a serious threat alright. Killian on Connolly maybe?
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 14:32:22 GMT
Dublin: S Cluxton; J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon; J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, D Bastick; P Flynn, D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan, D Rock, P Andrews. Subs: MD Macauley for Bastick (44), M Fitzsimons for Cooper (44), A Brogan for Flynn (51), K McManamon for Rock (53), E Lowndes for Connolly (68), J Small for B Brogan (71). I don't think Dublin will spring anyone else at this stage so the 21 players that they will play in the final will come from those. The first thing that strikes me is that the forward bar Connolly are not the greatest fielders of a ball over their head. Paddy Andrews was put into possession for 5 points and he showed accuracy that like Stephen ONeill in his prime. But he can be managed in a situation where a defence is tight and well organised. I think Dublin have it over Kerry in their ability to post long range points. Connolly, Kilkenny, James McCarthy, Flynn can all lamp them over for 45 metres. Kerry are improving in that area but the Dubs are better in this. Dublins quick hands when running through will cut open any defence and McManamon is unstoppable legally. MDMA can turn a game like no one else in a few minutes. He was directly involved in 2.02 against Mayo between the 53rd and 56th minute. He is well able to field his own ball but is just as happy to spoil and slap his opponents hand and lots of breaking ball gets picked up by blue shirts when he does that. Bernard is not a notable fielder over his head either and a well organised tight defensive formation can cut out the handy hopping ball that he thrives on. On paper our midfield is better but young Fenton is here to stay and had a fine game last Saturday. Johnny Cooper and Philly McMahon are not tall men and will struggle against Colm, Paul Geaney and KD in the air. Cian OSullivan clearly pulled a muscle on sat and his well being will be crucial. I think that Kerry should adopt the template from last year.... deny the Dubs space to score goals, they wont win ball in the air in the forwards, crack Cluxtons kickouts and force the Dubs half back line to concentrate on defending. It will then come down to grit, determination and guts. Kilkenny had more of that than Galway yesterday when it mattered even though KK have medals coming out of their ears and Galway haven't won one in 28 years. Think you are wrong about Brogan in the air.
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 8, 2015 14:42:33 GMT
Crowley nullified Kilkenny in 2013. Kilkenny is probably an improved player now but I see no reason why Crowley won't match up to him again. Regarding the referee, I hope it isn't Coldrick. Kilkenny is a serious threat alright. Killian on Connolly maybe? Aidan maybe, a la Murphy last year.
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 14:56:07 GMT
I think EF will have to try and anticipate when Dublin are going to introduce KMac. I'm sure he'll have a plan but last year Enright was sprung to do a job on McBrearty when he came on but it took a few mins to get him on and that stage he had scored a couple of points. I can see Crowley starting to maybe do a job on Connolly (who is due a big game) and maybe Aidan coming in for last 25 mins. Cian O'Sullivan is a doubt for the Dubs and he would be a huge loss for them if he doesn't make it. Would give Gavin a serious problem. Dublin as slight favourites with PP and probably justifiably so given that we are going back-to-back and their record against us in recent years. The possibility of losing to Dublin 3 times in 4 years should be enough to get the lads minds right and certainly should even up the hunger stakes. Would be worried about the 4 week break but Dublin really only have a week to prepare given that most of this week will be recovery mode. Makes for an intriguing game which will probably closer to 2011 final than 2013 semi. Dubs over on Reservoir are quite confident that they have more scoring forwards than us, slighter better backs and an evenly matched bench. That wasn't Enright's problem. McBrearty had the points already got off Fionn/Murph(open to correction on whether it was just one or both) before Enright came on.
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 15:06:13 GMT
Dublin: S Cluxton; J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon; J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, D Bastick; P Flynn, D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan, D Rock, P Andrews. Subs: MD Macauley for Bastick (44), M Fitzsimons for Cooper (44), A Brogan for Flynn (51), K McManamon for Rock (53), E Lowndes for Connolly (68), J Small for B Brogan (71). I don't think Dublin will spring anyone else at this stage so the 21 players that they will play in the final will come from those. The first thing that strikes me is that the forward bar Connolly are not the greatest fielders of a ball over their head. Paddy Andrews was put into possession for 5 points and he showed accuracy that like Stephen ONeill in his prime. But he can be managed in a situation where a defence is tight and well organised. I think Dublin have it over Kerry in their ability to post long range points. Connolly, Kilkenny, James McCarthy, Flynn can all lamp them over for 45 metres. Kerry are improving in that area but the Dubs are better in this. Dublins quick hands when running through will cut open any defence and McManamon is unstoppable legally. MDMA can turn a game like no one else in a few minutes. He was directly involved in 2.02 against Mayo between the 53rd and 56th minute. He is well able to field his own ball but is just as happy to spoil and slap his opponents hand and lots of breaking ball gets picked up by blue shirts when he does that. Bernard is not a notable fielder over his head either and a well organised tight defensive formation can cut out the handy hopping ball that he thrives on. On paper our midfield is better but young Fenton is here to stay and had a fine game last Saturday. Johnny Cooper and Philly McMahon are not tall men and will struggle against Colm, Paul Geaney and KD in the air. Cian OSullivan clearly pulled a muscle on sat and his well being will be crucial. I think that Kerry should adopt the template from last year.... deny the Dubs space to score goals, they wont win ball in the air in the forwards, crack Cluxtons kickouts and force the Dubs half back line to concentrate on defending. It will then come down to grit, determination and guts. Kilkenny had more of that than Galway yesterday when it mattered even though KK have medals coming out of their ears and Galway haven't won one in 28 years. Think you are wrong about Brogan in the air. MDMA hasn't played a solid 70 mins this year. That's not to say he definitely won't, not questioning his character but his form has not been there. Maher/Moran's form is consistent/solid. Folks are getting too excited about his 25 mins the last day. He was very good but you have to put the context into the mix - it was just 25 mins, fresh into a field that has had 45 mins of heavy battle. Fenton will be a fine player but I think the big day has come too soon for him and the occasion might affect his game. The bottom line on Dublin's forwards - Bernard is the number 1 go to guy, and would be first pick out of their starting 6 every time. His form is the most consistent. Our back line I would agree is facing a tough task, but Dublin's inside back line hasn't been exposed or tested due to the sh!te Mayo rained in on AOS, Andy Moran showed in a couple of moves what can be done. They will have their fill of it, make no mistake. Moyles and Billy J Padzo on Newstalk reckoned Kerry's forward line were struggling, but I think it was really a compliment to Tyrone, that Kerry had to withdraw so much to contain their counters. Colm Parkinson said to the two boys, "are ye for real lads?. James O'Donoghue is the best corner forward in Ireland and he'll prove it on Sep 20"
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 15:06:22 GMT
Think he might keep Aidan in reserve for last 20/25 mins when Dublin have been their most dangerous against us.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 15:07:12 GMT
I think EF will have to try and anticipate when Dublin are going to introduce KMac. I'm sure he'll have a plan but last year Enright was sprung to do a job on McBrearty when he came on but it took a few mins to get him on and that stage he had scored a couple of points. I can see Crowley starting to maybe do a job on Connolly (who is due a big game) and maybe Aidan coming in for last 25 mins. Cian O'Sullivan is a doubt for the Dubs and he would be a huge loss for them if he doesn't make it. Would give Gavin a serious problem. Dublin as slight favourites with PP and probably justifiably so given that we are going back-to-back and their record against us in recent years. The possibility of losing to Dublin 3 times in 4 years should be enough to get the lads minds right and certainly should even up the hunger stakes. Would be worried about the 4 week break but Dublin really only have a week to prepare given that most of this week will be recovery mode. Makes for an intriguing game which will probably closer to 2011 final than 2013 semi. Dubs over on Reservoir are quite confident that they have more scoring forwards than us, slighter better backs and an evenly matched bench. That wasn't Enright's problem. McBrearty had the points already got off Fionn/Murph(open to correction on whether it was just one or both) before Enright came on. That was my point. Sorry if that wasn't clearer.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 8, 2015 15:19:54 GMT
Macauley had an extremely ropey first 5 or 10 mins when introduced the last day. The first two balls he got he ended up over cooking the handpass which resulted in 2 turnovers. Yes he made some key runs afterwards and caught a good ball but it wasn't the glorious return to form that some might have us believe.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 8, 2015 15:21:54 GMT
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 15:38:49 GMT
Remember EF had some harsh words about Coldrick after a league game against Dublin last year.
Hope that doesn't come back to bite us!
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 8, 2015 16:03:11 GMT
Remember EF had some harsh words about Coldrick after a league game against Dublin last year. Hope that doesn't come back to bite us! Happy enough with Coldrick- he is authoritative and the players know where they stand with him- on the other hand to see McQuillan named as the standby ref is surely taking the pi$$- somwbody up there sure likes him!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 8, 2015 16:17:18 GMT
If Kerry play Donaghy, will Dublin decide to have 3 men hanging off him (like they did with AOS)? It would free up other forwards to do damage. Mayo couldn't capitalise on that, as their forwards aren't as good.
Mayo weren't far away from beating Dublin, even with their inadequacies. I can't see Fitzmaurice being as tactically naive.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 8, 2015 16:19:01 GMT
If Kerry play Donaghy, will Dublin decide to have 3 men hanging off him (like they did with AOS)? It would free up other forwards to do damage. Mayo couldn't capitalise on that, as their forwards aren't as good. Excellent point. I think EF will play Donaghy for exactly that reason. It would be very harsh on P. Geaney though, not to start.
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Post by ddtinexile on Sept 8, 2015 16:37:56 GMT
Eamonn was right because Coldrick gave us nothing that night, everything went Dublins way. Even the Dubs beside us were laughing at all the handy frees they were getting.
However whatever about Coldrick I'd be very afraid, very afraid of the Cork linesman Conor Lane. He's had previous with Kerry players and teams in the not too distant past. My advice to Kerry players is to stay within the rules because he will nail one of them if he gets the slightest reason.
Don't think he should be there at all. Not happy with him around, never was never will.
All we need now is Joe to come for the 2nd half.
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