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Post by ballynamona on Sept 8, 2015 16:45:05 GMT
If Kerry play Donaghy, will Dublin decide to have 3 men hanging off him (like they did with AOS)? It would free up other forwards to do damage. Mayo couldn't capitalise on that, as their forwards aren't as good. Excellent point. I think EF will play Donaghy for exactly that reason. It would be very harsh on P. Geaney though, not to start. I said earlier in the thread that if you started Donaghy plus Geaney inside you could seriously disrupt the Dubs. It would be a declaration of war. A loose Johnny Buckley or Stephen O'Brien to swing over points.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 16:49:51 GMT
Excellent point. I think EF will play Donaghy for exactly that reason. It would be very harsh on P. Geaney though, not to start. I said earlier in the thread that if you started Donaghy plus Geaney inside you could seriously disrupt the Dubs. It would be a declaration of war. A loose Johnny Buckley or Stephen O'Brien to swing over points. Who would you drop? Gooch or JO'D? Think Dublin would be delighted to see Donaghy starting. The high ball hasn't worked against Dublin. Simple as that. We need pace and ball players to beat Dublin.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 16:59:21 GMT
I think Geaney has to start. Nothing against Donaghy but Kerry played better against Cork and Tyrone when Donaghy went off. He would a great sub to bring in with 20 minutes to go if we are losing. I would go with Kealy Murphy Marc Enright Lyne Crowley Killian Maher Moran O'Brien Buckley Donnacha Geaney Cooper O'Donoghue. Dublin could go with Cluxton Cooper O'Carroll McMahon McCarthy O'Sullivan McCaffrey Fenton MacAuley Flynn Kilkenny Connolly Rock Andrews B.Brogan. It won't matter the numbers cause a lot of them on both sides won't play in that position. If Cian O'Sullivan can't go I think Fitzsimons will start in the corner and pickup Geaney if he starts. McMahon will pickup Cooper. Johnny Cooper will pick up O'Donoghue. McCarthy on Donnacha. McCaffrey on O'Brien. that leaves O'Carroll on Buckley. McMahon and Cooper could struggle on our boys.If Donaghy does start it changes things a bit with O'Carroll picking him up. On our side who will pick up MacAuley? I dont think Maher or Moran have the legs to run with him. We could be in trouble there. Maybe Crowley will pick him up when he goes on a run. You could see Buckley playing a deep role for that reason. Brogan had great success on Marc in 2013. I think Enright would be the man for him. Andrews moves around a lot. I think Murphy is best option for him. Andrews and Brogan were Dublins most dangerous forwards v Mayo. Flynn and Connolly have yet to perform this year. Lyne and Killian will pick them up.Crowley on Kilkenny. I am probably way off the mark but thats my opinion. I hope the ref lets play go and we could have a classic.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 16:59:51 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 8, 2015 17:43:46 GMT
Heard the open day last Sunday was a great success with a big crowd of youngsters getting up close to their Kerry heros. Several of the team stayed to 4 signing autographs and posing for pictures - a credit to them.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 8, 2015 18:29:42 GMT
The GAA has confirmed the referees and match officials for the 2015 GAA Football All-Ireland Senior and Minor Championship finals on September 20 with David Coldrick confirmed as the referee for the senior final, which will be his third third All-Ireland final. Coldrick will take charge of the All-Ireland Senior final between Dublin and Kerry, while David Gough also of Meath will officiate in the Minor game between Kerry & Tipperary. David Coldrick a member of the Blackhall Gaels club has also refereed the All-Ireland Senior final in 2007 between Cork & Kerry and the 2010 final between Cork & Down. Ulster final in 2010, 2013 & 2015. Munster Final in 2006 & 2011. Connacht final in 2008. Senior Club final in 2006 & 2015. Also David was the International Rules Referee in 2006, 2009 & 2011.
In this year’s football championship, David has refereed the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Quarter-Final between Kerry & Kildare, the Ulster Senior Football Final between Monaghan & Donegal, Leinster Football Semi Final between Dublin & Kildare and the Ulster Football Quarter Final Armagh & Donegal. His umpires on the day will be Seamus McCormack (Walterstown), Stephen O’Hare (Syddan), Conor Dourneen (Ballinagh, Cavan) and James Matthews (Cortown).
Cavan’s Joe McQuillan will be the standby referee. The other linesman is Conor Lane (Cork) and the Sideline official will be Derek Fahy (Longford) David Gough, who will be officiating the Electric Ireland GAA Football All-Ireland Minor Championship Final, is a member of the Slane club, has also refereed the U21 final in 2013 between Cork & Galway.
In this year’s football championship, David has refereed Senior All-Ireland Quarter Final Donegal and Mayo, and Senior Qualifier games between Tipperary & Tyrone Round 3B, Armagh & Galway Round 2B, Cavan & Roscommon Round 2A and Longford & Carlow Round 1A.
His umpires on the day will be Eugene Gough, Stephen Gough, Dean Gough, (All Slane) and Ronan Garry (Walterstown).
Down’s Ciaran Branagan will be the standby referee, the other linesman is Liam Devenney (Mayo) and the Sideline Official will be Eamon O’Grady (Leitrim). 20.09.2015 (Sun) GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Final Áth Cliath v Ciarraí RTE/SKY Sports Páirc an Chrócaigh, 15.30 Referee: David Coldrick (An Mhí) Stand By: Joe McQuillan (An Cabhán) Linesman: Conor Lane (Corcaigh) Sideline: Derek Fahy (An Longfort) Umpires: Seamus McCormack (Walterstown), Stephen O’Hare (Syddan), Conor Dourneen (Ballinagh, Cavan) and James Matthews (Cortown) Electric Ireland GAA Football All-Ireland Minor Championship Final Ciarraí v Tiobraid Árann TG4 Páirc an Chrócaigh, 13.15 Referee: David Gough (An Mhí) Stand By: Ciaran Branagan (An Dún) Linesman: Liam Devenney (Maigh Eo) Sideline: Eamon O’Grady (Liatroim) Umpires: Eugene Gough, Stephen Gough, Dean Gough, (All Slane) and Ronan Garry (Walterstown)
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 8, 2015 18:44:30 GMT
Macauley had an extremely ropey first 5 or 10 mins when introduced the last day. The first two balls he got he ended up over cooking the handpass which resulted in 2 turnovers. Yes he made some key runs afterwards and caught a good ball but it wasn't the glorious return to form that some might have us believe. Seamus O'Shea was already gone and Parsons(with a broken thumb) looked like he was seriously out-of-puff (not surprising given how intense and face-paced the first half was) by the time McAuley with his fresh legs came on. It was pretty much a perfect situation for McAuley to come on to. However for me it was a serious indication that Mayo management had made zero preparation in terms of a response for when the fresh legs of McAuley inevitably appeared at midfield, which is just woeful tactical preparation.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 8, 2015 19:05:21 GMT
I said earlier in the thread that if you started Donaghy plus Geaney inside you could seriously disrupt the Dubs. It would be a declaration of war. A loose Johnny Buckley or Stephen O'Brien to swing over points. Who would you drop? Gooch or JO'D? Think Dublin would be delighted to see Donaghy starting. The high ball hasn't worked against Dublin. Simple as that. We need pace and ball players to beat Dublin. In this scenario I would not start the Gooch. That is a tough thing to say. I am basing it on the fact that I would still have reservations about his capacity to play 70 mins of what will be an intense game. Mayo got little change out of the high ball to Aidan O'Shea. But all too often he was left isolated. There are ways to use the high ball cleverly, and Kerry were poor at that v Tyrone - although I felt Donaghy did not play well.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2015 19:18:13 GMT
Gooch has to start. The last 18 months of torture has been about getting back to this situation. He will be chomping at the bit.
He tore Dublin apart in the first half 2 years ago and only for an eye gouging he would have given the greatest display in Croker.
Let's hope if there's any of that sort of stuff the next day that our lads don't just stand there and watch.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 8, 2015 19:22:53 GMT
Who would you drop? Gooch or JO'D? Think Dublin would be delighted to see Donaghy starting. The high ball hasn't worked against Dublin. Simple as that. We need pace and ball players to beat Dublin. In this scenario I would not start the Gooch. That is a tough thing to say. I am basing it on the fact that I would still have reservations about his capacity to play 70 mins of what will be an intense game. Mayo got little change out of the high ball to Aidan O'Shea. But all too often he was left isolated. There are ways to use the high ball cleverly, and Kerry were poor at that v Tyrone - although I felt Donaghy did not play wel I think we will have to start Doneghy and Geaney and must leave our half forward line unchanged so unfortunately that means either Colm or James wouldn't start start. It also means Bryan Sheehan won't start and from the Tyrone game, it seems that James is improving at the longer range frees and 45s. Then again the Dublin/Mayo semis showed that the frees conceded by Dublin were shorter range and often brought further forward for dissent. All easily kickable by Colm or Paul. Who would be in Eamonn's shoes? but it's a great problem to have!
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2015 19:36:12 GMT
Joe McQuillan linesman and standby referee. Conor Lane linesman. There you have a rogues gallery. May God protect us.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 8, 2015 19:49:27 GMT
Dublin win guaranteed, thanks to Gavin's new approachPaddy Heaney EVER since an early morning conversation with Jim Gavin last year, I have been totally and utterly convinced Dublin are going to win this year’s All-Ireland title. The venue for my chance encounter with the Dublin manager was the Sheraton Hotel in Boston. It was the first morning of the Allstars Tour. Black Friday. Jetlagged, I was wide awake at 6am in the morning. Unable to get back to sleep, I paid a trip to the Starbucks cafe that was located in the hotel lobby. When seated with a cup of coffee, I spotted Gavin walking across the foyer. I waved and said ‘hello’. As he’s extremely wary of the media, I assumed the former Irish Air Corps officer was going to stroll right past me. Having written a very critical article about Gavin after a League game in Omagh, I wasn’t even sure if he would acknowledge my greeting. To my surprise, he walked over to my table and started to chat. I was amazed. This was a rare and welcome opportunity – a one-to-one conversation with a high profile manager who usually keeps his distance from journalists. Those who have listened to Gavin on television or read his interviews will appreciate he’s not an overly charismatic individual. He is controlled and undemonstrative. Still, when confronted with microphones and television cameras, I remain convinced he makes a concerted effort to be as dull as he possibly can be. There is no way the man who gives those interviews to The Sunday Game is the same person who sends Dublin out to war in Croke Park. That would be impossible. If the Dublin players were subjected to the monotone drone which Gavin reserves for press briefings, they would fall asleep in the changing room. Nowadays, a growing number of footballers and managers only reveal their true personality whenever the tape recorder is switched off. I suspected Jim Gavin fitted into that category. Removed from a typical interview setting, I was keen to see what he was really like. Readers who are now expecting me to reveal Jim Gavin is actually a joke-a-minute, yarn-spinning ‘Dobe’ are going to be disappointed. In conversation, he is sober, informed and intelligent – all the qualities he exhibits in his media interviews. However, during my chat with Jim there was one aspect of his personality which was a revelation. He has an incredible passion for sport. He is absolutely fanatical about the GAA. More specifically, the Round Towers clubman is fanatical about Dublin GAA. And Gavin’s interests extend far beyond Gaelic games. He also has a keen interest in basketball and American football. For his trip to the States, he acquired tickets for a Celtics game that was due to take place the following week. Gavin’s fascination with the NBA and NFL was intriguing. Given the huge emphasis which those sports place on tactics, it was difficult to reconcile how a man of Gavin’s intelligence and military background could have adopted such risky tactics for last year’s All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Donegal. Surely anyone with a modicum of knowledge about defending wouldn’t have employed such a reckless strategy against Donegal? Of course, a job in the Irish Air Corps doesn’t necessarily make Jim Gavin an expert in football strategy. The GAA is full of men who, while very successful in various walks of life, are absolute nincompoops when put in charge of a football team. But listening to Gavin talking about the tactics employed in American football, it was obvious he was no greenhorn. As he discussed how ‘drag routes’ are used by wide receivers, it was clear he was fascinated by the way movement of players can be used to create and deny space. Evidently, Gavin understands tactics. But in his steadfast refusal to play a safety first game against Donegal, it can only be assumed the Dublin manager allowed his emotions to cloud his judgement. On taking the reins of his county’s senior football team, Gavin said he felt an obligation to uphold the traditions of Dublin football. Not only did he want to win, but he wanted to win by playing a brand of positive, attacking football. As a sceptical journalist and an even more sceptical northerner, I automatically assumed Gavin was just indulging in 'paper talk’. I never thought for a moment that he was actually being serious. But after listening to Gavin talk expansively about other sports, the only conclusion I could draw was that he had allowed his romantic principles for attacking football to overrule the pragmatic part of his brain. Not surprisingly, a six-point defeat in front of 80,000 fans in Croke Park has knocked some of the romance out of Jim Gavin. During the league, it was abundantly obvious he no longer cared how his team won the All-Ireland title – he just wanted to win it. In Clones, the once attack-minded Dubs defended with 13 men. Similar tactics were employed against Tyrone and Derry. Rather comically, some cheerleaders in the media still refused to believe Dublin had joined the Jim McGuinness school of football. To those observers who were capable of watching what was actually happening on the field, it was extremely obvious Dublin had abandoned any vestiges of trying to win beautiful. Winning ugly would do just fine. Dublin’s two performances against Mayo have further underlined the notion that Gavin is no longer preoccupied with how Dublin win the Sam Maguire Cup. While it’s true the Dubs produced some stunning football, they also played with the fervour and mania of a junior club team from the mountains. When the talent of this Dublin squad is shaped by sound strategy and passionate performances, it’s difficult to see how they can be beaten. Ever since last year’s defeat to Donegal, there has been a nationwide refusal to acknowledge Dublin’s blatant superiority. Pundits are terrified of being made to look stupid again, so they have constructed woolly arguments outlining any flaw in Dublin’s play. Yet, while the Dubs aren’t perfect, they’re still stronger than any of their opponents. Thus far, the brilliance of Éamon Fitzmaurice’s management has disguised the limitations of his hand. Kerry are the opposite of Dublin. Their strengths have been overplayed while their weaknesses have been conveniently ignored. The All-Ireland final will expose the real stock of both teams. Now that Jim Gavin no longer cares about aesthetics, a Dublin win seems guaranteed.By adopting such an approach, Jim Gavin should take some comfort from the fact that he will be upholding one of the longest and most cherished traditions of Dublin football. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Consequently, there might be a slight change to Kieran Donaghy's post-match speech this year....Well Paddy Heaney, what do you think of that!?
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 8, 2015 20:08:15 GMT
Incredible to think that the word guaranteed was used here.
Seems like Paddy really fell under Jim's spell!
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Post by donegalman on Sept 8, 2015 20:12:02 GMT
The reason Dublin lost last years semi final was not bad tactics, it was no tactics at all, other than a blunt shoot out, and a belief that it would be enough to carry them over the line regardless of how the opposition set up. This has now changed.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 8, 2015 20:24:45 GMT
The reason Dublin lost last years semi final was not bad tactics, it was no tactics at all, other than a blunt shoot out, and a belief that it would be enough to carry them over the line regardless of how the opposition set up. This has now changed. Yeah, that was pure hubris. I think they got swept up in their own hype.
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 20:25:58 GMT
That wasn't Enright's problem. McBrearty had the points already got off Fionn/Murph(open to correction on whether it was just one or both) before Enright came on. That was my point. Sorry if that wasn't clearer. Apologies back, I didn't read your post correctly, I think the "but" did for me
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 20:26:44 GMT
I said earlier in the thread that if you started Donaghy plus Geaney inside you could seriously disrupt the Dubs. It would be a declaration of war. A loose Johnny Buckley or Stephen O'Brien to swing over points. Who would you drop? Gooch or JO'D? Think Dublin would be delighted to see Donaghy starting. The high ball hasn't worked against Dublin. Simple as that. We need pace and ball players to beat Dublin. We need our full squad
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Post by donegalman on Sept 8, 2015 20:31:16 GMT
Coldrick is the ref too, that is good.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2015 20:42:32 GMT
Is he saying in the final two sentences that "winning ugly" is one of the longest and most cherished traditions in Dublin football?
The All-Ireland final will expose the real stock of both teams. Now that Jim Gavin no longer cares about aesthetics, a Dublin win seems guaranteed.
By adopting such an approach, Jim Gavin should take some comfort from the fact that he will be upholding one of the longest and most cherished traditions of Dublin football.
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 20:57:05 GMT
If Kerry play Donaghy, will Dublin decide to have 3 men hanging off him (like they did with AOS)? It would free up other forwards to do damage. Mayo couldn't capitalise on that, as their forwards aren't as good. Mayo weren't far away from beating Dublin, even with their inadequacies. I can't see Fitzmaurice being as tactically naive. Mayo ceded control to Dublin when in control through bad mistakes and decisions. Now Dublin once taking control rammed their collective fist up Mayo's arse and smashed all their teeth on way out before mounting the cadavers on a spike. Apologies for explicit textual imagery, but needed to convey the ferocity in which Dublin administered the slaying
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 21:03:09 GMT
Is he saying in the final two sentences that "winning ugly" is one of the longest and most cherished traditions in Dublin football? The All-Ireland final will expose the real stock of both teams. Now that Jim Gavin no longer cares about aesthetics, a Dublin win seems guaranteed.
By adopting such an approach, Jim Gavin should take some comfort from the fact that he will be upholding one of the longest and most cherished traditions of Dublin football. Amazingly for all his Starbucks joy, he hasn't even one measly quote from Gavin. Also to dismiss Kerry as overrated masking weaknesses without expansion of said is a sign of a as Dermot might quote "bitter wee man"
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 8, 2015 21:28:46 GMT
Now Dublin once taking control rammed their collective fist up Mayo's arse and smashed all their teeth on way out before mounting the cadavers on a spike. That's definitely a black card offence!
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Post by southward on Sept 8, 2015 21:32:33 GMT
Joe McQuillan linesman and standby referee. Conor Lane linesman. There you have a rogues gallery. May God protect us. I doubt I'm the only one who smells a rat here.
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2015 21:33:38 GMT
Now Dublin once taking control rammed their collective fist up Mayo's arse and smashed all their teeth on way out before mounting the cadavers on a spike. That's definitely a black card offence! brilliant. You see though that there's nothing confusing about the black card rule
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 8, 2015 22:01:13 GMT
Referee lives in Dublin, the standby ref and linesman has been their ref in trial games, now there's one for the conspiracy theorists!!!!!
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Post by Hicser on Sept 8, 2015 22:38:10 GMT
Incredible to think that the word guaranteed was used here. Seems like Paddy really fell under Jim's spell! What an awful article. A load of drivel. Some very lazy journalism,
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2015 22:41:28 GMT
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Post by Aodhan on Sept 9, 2015 0:22:11 GMT
Wasn't it McQuillan that was linesman also in the Quarter Final v Kildare? When Brian Sheehan was about to take a long distance free in the first half he had him move the ball back 6 inches putting Brian completely off and his game seemed to suffer as a consequence. In the second half The Kildare goalkeeper came up to take a long distance free and moved the ball up two yards without any intervention by Joe. I'd prefer if Joe McQuillan was home in Cavan anytime Kerry are playing a football match.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 9, 2015 7:53:46 GMT
Its hardly fair on Dave Coldrick to put him in this position. If he has kids they will be wearing Dublin jerseys.
He did gave a great match in 2014 in the league game.
Monday, February 03, 2014
Dublin 2-8 Kerry 1-10 Just over a week after GAA director general Páraic Duffy indicated a crackdown on managers criticising referees, Eamonn Fitzmaurice launched a stinging attack on David Coldrick’s display after Saturday’s defeat to Dublin.
By John Fogarty GAA CorrespondentThe Kerry manager was more frustrated about some of the referee’s decisions than his own side’s failure to avail of a numerical advantage for the majority of the second half.
It did seem unusual — if entirely plausible — that a team could go over 35 minutes of football without earning a single free in scoring range, and Kerry were unfortunate not to pick up a handful after the break. On the other hand, Dublin could stoutly argue Cormac Costello merited a couple more frees than he was given.
Duffy has suggested the withdrawal of sideline privileges for a number of games would be an appropriate punishment for managers who lambaste referees. It wouldn’t have mattered much to Fitzmaurice on Saturday as he and his selectors sat in the coaches box in the Hogan Stand for the entirety of the game.
In the mood he was in, the danger of sanction would hardly have concerned him. He acknowledged his team “seemed to retreat into our shell” in the second half, but held almost all his fire for the man in black.
“I felt the referee’s performance was well below par tonight. I watched the game in the coaches box so I had the luxury of an instant replay up there. He got a lot of calls wrong. We found it very hard to get frees in the second half close to goal. Dublin didn’t.
“Even at the end, there was an incident with James O’Donoghue. I could see the referee was looking in at the incident close to goals while the play was going on. He didn’t give a free, he let the play develop, we got nothing out of it and he went in to speak to the defender at the close of the play.
“I was just baffled by it. I felt that if there was something going on that warranted a talking to, he should have called it. So that was frustrating. I don’t like talking about officials because it’s a tough job. But for one of the top referees in the country, I thought he was below par tonight.”
Jim Gavin, not surprisingly, viewed Coldrick’s work differently. “Sometimes a decision goes with you, sometimes it goes against you. Some of the calls this evening I thought we should have got we didn’t get — that’s sport.”
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 9, 2015 7:59:48 GMT
Leave the ref be. If we do our job on the day the official's won't get a mention.
Concentrate on the things we can control.
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