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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 1, 2015 22:38:20 GMT
He lives in Clontarf
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2015 22:53:00 GMT
Dublin: S Cluxton; J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon; J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, D Bastick; P Flynn, D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan, D Rock, P Andrews. Subs: MD Macauley for Bastick (44), M Fitzsimons for Cooper (44), A Brogan for Flynn (51), K McManamon for Rock (53), E Lowndes for Connolly (68), J Small for B Brogan (71). I don't think Dublin will spring anyone else at this stage so the 21 players that they will play in the final will come from those. The first thing that strikes me is that the forward bar Connolly are not the greatest fielders of a ball over their head. Paddy Andrews was put into possession for 5 points and he showed accuracy that like Stephen ONeill in his prime. But he can be managed in a situation where a defence is tight and well organised. I think Dublin have it over Kerry in their ability to post long range points. Connolly, Kilkenny, James McCarthy, Flynn can all lamp them over for 45 metres. Kerry are improving in that area but the Dubs are better in this. Dublins quick hands when running through will cut open any defence and McManamon is unstoppable legally. MDMA can turn a game like no one else in a few minutes. He was directly involved in 2.02 against Mayo between the 53rd and 56th minute. He is well able to field his own ball but is just as happy to spoil and slap his opponents hand and lots of breaking ball gets picked up by blue shirts when he does that. Bernard is not a notable fielder over his head either and a well organised tight defensive formation can cut out the handy hopping ball that he thrives on. On paper our midfield is better but young Fenton is here to stay and had a fine game last Saturday. Johnny Cooper and Philly McMahon are not tall men and will struggle against Colm, Paul Geaney and KD in the air. Cian OSullivan clearly pulled a muscle on sat and his well being will be crucial. I think that Kerry should adopt the template from last year.... deny the Dubs space to score goals, they wont win ball in the air in the forwards, crack Cluxtons kickouts and force the Dubs half back line to concentrate on defending. It will then come down to grit, determination and guts. Kilkenny had more of that than Galway yesterday when it mattered even though KK have medals coming out of their ears and Galway haven't won one in 28 years. If a quiet confidence was coming through in the above post can I just say that it has totally drained away now as has my enthusiasm and excitement about this final. I wrote the above post shortly after I heard that the ref was living and working in Dublin. I was shocked. If I were a player I would have been very disturbed. Seanie Walsh used to go to John Dowlings shop every year for a new pair of laces for the final. Paidi had a special pair of boxers for final weekend! This appointment messed with my head at any rate
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Post by watchdebreakswillye on Oct 1, 2015 23:16:51 GMT
We woz .. Out thought, out fought, Outwitted, not with it, Out gunned, out 'runned' Out scored, out roared, Out licked, out kicked, Out maneuvered, out 'hoovered' Out tackled, out shackled, Out analysed, out chastised, Out jumped, out thumped, Out foxed, out 'poxed' Out fiddled, out riddled, Out, out, out. Ouch! ...but we'll outdo them all next year... Amen
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Post by fitz on Oct 1, 2015 23:22:24 GMT
Regarding my reading of TK's elbow charge on Nicholas Murphy... I actually don't think it was premeditated... how could it have been if you think about it? I reckon it was put in the book as such and perhaps the notoriety was enjoyed and TK went along with that narrative. I don't know which was worse. Personally my knickers aren't that in a twist over McMahon. I'd be more concerned about the fact that this one game ban will almost certainly over ruled. At the moment there is carte blanche for players to behave poorly on the pitch. Being Technicallyedantic, it was actually a shoulder (top of) TK hit Big Nick with, right? I'm most pi$$ed that Dublin are appealing the McMahon 1 match ban. What is the case? That nothing untoward happened? I think it shows like McMahon said of himself how ruthless and what they're prepared to go through to win. No inch given, no matter what.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 2, 2015 6:57:30 GMT
Has he actually been hit with a one match suspension from the CCCC?
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Post by Dermot on Oct 2, 2015 11:58:52 GMT
Rashers, please dont be jumping on the bandwagon "again" if Tyrone bashing rears its ugly head again ... Dont think I can take you seriously after this !!! Dermot, at the time of the furore over McCann I came on here and reacted strongly, overreacted, the reason being that I have a particular dislike of blatant feigning and the fact that a player got very unjustly sent off because of said feigning. I said this at the time. And before you dive in with righteous indignation about Philly McMahon "diving" in the semi-final, let's be clear about comparison and context here, AOS was not punished, and it was shown that contact did actually happen, whatever the outcry of many may have been at the time. I subsequently rowed back on my initial reaction to McCann-gate and took a more balanced view, as you would have seen from posts afterwards so your selectiveness in picking out that one post and using it against me now says more about some kind of victim mentality and opportunistic vindictiveness you seem to be suffering from than me being generally inconsistent or hypocritical, which I'm not. As regards the behaviour of McMahon, you will find if you're continuing your interesting trawl back through old posts that I was not somebody who jumped on any anti-Tyrone bandwagon down through all the years on here, neither did I have anything critical to say about Ricey's behaviour for example, but I have had things to say about Conor Gormley's behaviour, which I was up-front about and stand by, and if you wish to say things about McMahon I won't stand in your way. Enjoy A few points Rashers:- 1/ I never "trawled" through "any" of your old posts nor did I "selectively" pick out a single post in this instance (not sure where you're getting that from ) ... 2/ I never at any stage slagged off P McMahon the way you have Tyrone players in the past .. I merely pointed out the clear disparity in both officialdom (CCCC & DRA etc.. inc) and the reactions of TSG and the media between Phillies offences and how some of our players have been treated over the past few years for doing a damn site less ... Actually lets list a few Tyrone Action - Sean Cavanagh pulls monaghan player down going for goal Outcome - TSG & National hysteria (sean cavanagh cant be much of a man) Action - T McCann Dives Outcome - TSG & National hysteria - subsequent 8 week ban which was totally against the rules of the game. Wheelan calling for apologies etc... Dublin Action - J Coopers stamp Vs mayo Outcome - Nothing .. Wheelan says he aint that sort of a player (you couldnt make this sh1t up lol Action - P McMahon "allegedly" head butts AOS and clearly Dives (looks like a clear HB too) Outcome - Mmmmmm not much really - no action taken Action - P McMahon sticks his fingers in Donaghy's eyes Outcome - Lads afraid to mention it on TSG .. or maybe they simply dont want to. (they bloody well would have had kittens and major histrionics had a Tyrone man done these things) You're not the fair minded chap you seem to think you are ... Like many folk, you're a advocate of "one set of rules for your county and another set for others" .. In the past you have always made your way to the bandwagon andjumped right on if it was Tyrone committing some silly misdemeanor .. however, when one of your own is clearly seen doing much more serious actions you shy away from the outrage and class it as "minimal" ... Thats why I cant take you seriously any more .. but Im sure you wont loose any sleep over that Dont try and tell me you dont understand this Rashers .. you aint stupid .. blinkered yes, stupid No !! p.s. I dont ever remember Conor Gormley headbuttin or gouging anyone .. never .. Why would Gormley be "worse" than Philly? .. Im intrigued!! Another question for you Rashers .. Do you think a lad taking a stupid dive, like McCann & Philly both did, is worse than a lad headbutting you or sticking his fingers in your eye socket? Unlike you and many others Rashers, Im not advocating a different set of rules for my county, all I want to see is fairness and EVERY county being treated the same .. is that too much to ask?
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Post by fitz on Oct 2, 2015 13:25:54 GMT
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Post by dubontour on Oct 3, 2015 15:04:01 GMT
Jaysus lads I have always respected Kerry football but the whinging on this particular thread is something else. Stop looking for excuses (ref lives in Dublin etc. - half the Kerry team have lived in Dublin at some stage). You were comprehensively beaten in this final and were flattered by only a 3 point beating. If it had been a dry day I suspect an 8 or 9 point win would have materialised. This is the 1st time in my lifetime that Dublin have had a better team and better 'natural' footballers than Kerry. Accept it lads and for sure your day will come again but in the meantime suck it up. CHAMPIONS 2015 Dublin!
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Post by bilythewalsh on Oct 3, 2015 15:45:47 GMT
Thanks and best of luck to Cian O'Neill. Congrats to Rashers. Beidh lá eile!
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Post by mozzy on Oct 3, 2015 17:45:26 GMT
With the loss of Cian O Neill - is this the first of fallout from the men on the sideline ? They certainly did not look like a happy bunch all Ireland day. The team looked well over trained and flat on the day - anyone thing that Cian O Neill was moved on because of this ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 18:12:35 GMT
No. The rumours re cian o Neill and Kildare have been circulating for quite a while.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 3, 2015 22:36:09 GMT
Thanks and best of luck to Cian O'Neill. Congrats to Rashers. Beidh lá eile! Thanks BTW, very generous. Yous will be back,more great days ahead
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 3, 2015 22:59:25 GMT
Dermot, at the time of the furore over McCann I came on here and reacted strongly, overreacted, the reason being that I have a particular dislike of blatant feigning and the fact that a player got very unjustly sent off because of said feigning. I said this at the time. And before you dive in with righteous indignation about Philly McMahon "diving" in the semi-final, let's be clear about comparison and context here, AOS was not punished, and it was shown that contact did actually happen, whatever the outcry of many may have been at the time. I subsequently rowed back on my initial reaction to McCann-gate and took a more balanced view, as you would have seen from posts afterwards so your selectiveness in picking out that one post and using it against me now says more about some kind of victim mentality and opportunistic vindictiveness you seem to be suffering from than me being generally inconsistent or hypocritical, which I'm not. As regards the behaviour of McMahon, you will find if you're continuing your interesting trawl back through old posts that I was not somebody who jumped on any anti-Tyrone bandwagon down through all the years on here, neither did I have anything critical to say about Ricey's behaviour for example, but I have had things to say about Conor Gormley's behaviour, which I was up-front about and stand by, and if you wish to say things about McMahon I won't stand in your way. Enjoy A few points Rashers:- 1/ I never "trawled" through "any" of your old posts nor did I "selectively" pick out a single post in this instance (not sure where you're getting that from ) ... Keep it simple Dermo bud, you clearly accused me of jumping on some bandwagon, based on what then?2/ I never at any stage slagged off P McMahon the way you have Tyrone players in the past .. I merely pointed out the clear disparity in both officialdom (CCCC & DRA etc.. inc) and the reactions of TSG and the media between Phillies offences and how some of our players have been treated over the past few years for doing a damn site less ... Actually lets list a few And the relevance of most if that to me is? As I said, must I repeat, I was very critical of 1 player in general, and of 1 action in this years qtr final. I stand by that and you're welcome to make your case against McMahon, indeed knock yerself out . But why all the long-winded drama old chap?Tyrone Action - Sean Cavanagh pulls monaghan player down going for goal Outcome - TSG & National hysteria (sean cavanagh cant be much of a man) Relevance to me me auld pal?Action - T McCann Dives Outcome - TSG & National hysteria - subsequent 8 week ban which was totally against the rules of the game. Wheelan calling for apologies etc... Wasnt the ban rescinded? Agreed, ban was wrong. Dive was terrible, got a man sent off deliberately. Clearly and blatantly proven shameful behaviour old chap? Dublin Action - J Coopers stamp Vs mayo Outcome - Nothing .. Wheelan says he aint that sort of a player (you couldnt make this sh1t up lol What stamp? He went up to get a ball, lifted his leg as you do when you jump, collided with Mayo player. Dangerous act, not proven intentional, though in ultra slow motion it looks like he could have pulled out. Then again ultra slow motion is often misleading, isn't it me aul mucker?
Action - P McMahon "allegedly" head butts AOS and clearly Dives (looks like a clear HB too) Outcome - Mmmmmm not much really - no action taken Proven not a headbutt, proven not a dive, as I said and has been proven if you care to read up on it properly, and not just what you want to hear, enough to make your mind up, AOS connected a glancing blow with McMahon's head. It can be seen in ultra slow-mo, have a look because you seem to approve that method of judging incidents. Get your facts straight before coming it on with the high moral ground buddy.Action - P McMahon sticks his fingers in Donaghy's eyes Outcome - Lads afraid to mention it on TSG .. or maybe they simply dont want to. (they bloody well would have had kittens and major histrionics had a Tyrone man done these things) Wheres the proof of fingers in eyes? Again it's what you want to believe, based on the propoganda that suits you, and some others. Its not clear, looks more like general face rub, maybe fingers in mouth. Foul play for sure. As bad as Ricey on Galvin for example? Maybe.....not that I said anyhting whatsoever about that act at the time or since. But seeing as you want to go to war on me about incidents, then tally-ho old boy!You're not the fair minded chap you seem to think you are ... Like many folk, you're a advocate of "one set of rules for your county and another set for others" .. In the past you have always made your way to the bandwagon andjumped right on if it was Tyrone committing some silly misdemeanor .. however, when one of your own is clearly seen doing much more serious actions you shy away from the outrage and class it as "minimal" ... Thats why I cant take you seriously any more .. but Im sure you wont loose any sleep over that No Dermo, sorry to disappoint you old pal, in the past I certainly havent jumped on any bandwagon old chap, thats just the persecutions at you again. Maybe you should actually trawl through old posts to help ease whatever it is that ails you. Prior to this post Ive never said a bad word about Ricey, for exampleDont try and tell me you dont understand this Rashers .. you aint stupid .. blinkered yes, stupid No !! p.s. I dont ever remember Conor Gormley headbuttin or gouging anyone .. never .. Why would Gormley be "worse" than Philly? .. Im intrigued!! Well as stated in previous episodes those accusations are either untrue or unproven. Conor did plenty of things, Im sure McMahon is no better or worse than him, certainly not the blatant bullying blackguard that Conor was, the mystery was how Conor got away with some of it, old chap.Another question for you Rashers .. Do you think a lad taking a stupid dive, like McCann & Philly both did, is worse than a lad headbutting you or sticking his fingers in your eye socket? Ive answered all that above. Sadly for you McCann was a 100% proven terrible deed. McMahon wasnt, me aul mucker.Unlike you and many others Rashers, Im not advocating a different set of rules for my county, all I want to see is fairness and EVERY county being treated the same .. is that too much to ask? No problem Dermo bud, you're just a tad deluded and bitter, but I dont blame you because as I've said previously on several occasions, which you must have ignored, Tyrone have copped a very hard time from the media. Mostly Micky Hartes fault really but also bad luck and media mishandling. I'll probably feel the same when we get beaten and the media campaign against us ratchets up to the highest levels again. Winning so often defines the news......... I agree with you about fairness and counties being treated the same. On that note, you had nothing whatsoever to say about the fact that foul deeds by Kerry players in the final went completely unmentioned, as did most of the foul deeds by Mayo players in the semi. Because it didn't suit the agenda and the propoganda that McStay and others of 'the masses' wanted to hear. So maybe we aren't so far apart in how we feel about all this after all, old buddy old pal.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2015 10:22:06 GMT
With the loss of Cian O Neill - is this the first of fallout from the men on the sideline ? They certainly did not look like a happy bunch all Ireland day. The team looked well over trained and flat on the day - anyone thing that Cian O Neill was moved on because of this ? No harm to shake up the backroom team after the way the All-Ireland final panned out. We might see a few changes and freshening up of the line yet.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 4, 2015 13:03:04 GMT
Jaysus lads I have always respected Kerry football but the whinging on this particular thread is something else. Stop looking for excuses (ref lives in Dublin etc. - half the Kerry team have lived in Dublin at some stage). You were comprehensively beaten in this final and were flattered by only a 3 point beating. If it had been a dry day I suspect an 8 or 9 point win would have materialised. This is the 1st time in my lifetime that Dublin have had a better team and better 'natural' footballers than Kerry. Accept it lads and for sure your day will come again but in the meantime suck it up. CHAMPIONS 2015 Dublin! I agree with you 100%. 100%.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Oct 4, 2015 13:45:31 GMT
Jaysus lads I have always respected Kerry football but the whinging on this particular thread is something else. Stop looking for excuses (ref lives in Dublin etc. - half the Kerry team have lived in Dublin at some stage). You were comprehensively beaten in this final and were flattered by only a 3 point beating. If it had been a dry day I suspect an 8 or 9 point win would have materialised. This is the 1st time in my lifetime that Dublin have had a better team and better 'natural' footballers than Kerry. Accept it lads and for sure your day will come again but in the meantime suck it up. CHAMPIONS 2015 Dublin! I agree with you 100%. 100%. So do I agree with this, we should close this thread and leave 2015 behind us and focus on next year.
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Post by dano on Oct 4, 2015 16:19:20 GMT
Well Said Dub On Tour. All the complaining in the world won't bring Sam Back. But don't get too comfortable with it. We will be taking it back next year!
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Post by gamechanger10 on Oct 4, 2015 20:12:31 GMT
Come on The Dubs we are all behind ye !! ( And Don't Forget it ?? )
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Post by gamechanger10 on Oct 4, 2015 20:14:04 GMT
Those question marks should be winking smiley faces !! Why don't they come up as I posted ??
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 4, 2015 21:07:19 GMT
Ah for feck sake not another "Uncle Tom"
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 4, 2015 22:29:57 GMT
Jaysus lads I have always respected Kerry football but the whinging on this particular thread is something else. Stop looking for excuses (ref lives in Dublin etc. - half the Kerry team have lived in Dublin at some stage). You were comprehensively beaten in this final and were flattered by only a 3 point beating. If it had been a dry day I suspect an 8 or 9 point win would have materialised. This is the 1st time in my lifetime that Dublin have had a better team and better 'natural' footballers than Kerry. Accept it lads and for sure your day will come again but in the meantime suck it up. CHAMPIONS 2015 Dublin! I agree with you 100%. 100%. Your first post on a Kerry forum and it's full of triumphalism and rubbing it in. Show some respect and dignity, this is nothing like what is the tradition between our counties. Where were you when we wern't winning? Very poor stuff, if you feel the need to gloat do it where others will gloat along with you. Very disappointed to see this sort of post on here, shameful stuff really.
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Post by Control3 on Oct 4, 2015 22:39:49 GMT
I think this thread has run its course
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