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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 2, 2015 10:22:28 GMT
I don't think EF will be too bothered about the extra game for Mayo and Dublin. As others have said there is surely enough to be working on themselves that doesn't revolve around the opposition. EF will be working on a few tactics to surprise either team.
If this weekends game is another slug fest, there is the possibility of injuries and suspensions. Not wishing them of course, but it's a reality.
Either team will be in recovery until their Thursday session meaning they won't have all that long to prepare.
Also, both teams will have to prepare for the possibility of Donaghy starting or not. That is the benefit of our mixed styles approach to each game.
Any idea what EF might have up his sleeve? Walsh in FF with Donaghy? Donaghy as a total decoy to take 2 men away from the square for Geaney to plunder? Darran to start?(I think this is a possibility).
Bryan to start?
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Post by peanuts on Sept 2, 2015 12:20:46 GMT
I don't think EF will be too bothered about the extra game for Mayo and Dublin. As others have said there is surely enough to be working on themselves that doesn't revolve around the opposition. EF will be working on a few tactics to surprise either team. If this weekends game is another slug fest, there is the possibility of injuries and suspensions. Not wishing them of course, but it's a reality. Either team will be in recovery until their Thursday session meaning they won't have all that long to prepare. Also, both teams will have to prepare for the possibility of Donaghy starting or not. That is the benefit of our mixed styles approach to each game. Any idea what EF might have up his sleeve? Walsh in FF with Donaghy? Donaghy as a total decoy to take 2 men away from the square for Geaney to plunder? Darran to start?(I think this is a possibility). Bryan to start? Bryan to start if its Dublin and they are in the same free conceding mode they were on Sunday!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2015 16:03:26 GMT
Perhaps the argument to start Bryan might be irresistible if Dublin get through and don't sort their discipline. However JO'D was very effective from the ground against Tyrone so maybe there won't be an argument unless Sheehan is playing out of his skin. If it's Mayo then Buckley should get the nod if he keeps up his form at training. Mayo's HB line is their strongest. Can't see Darren starting tbh.
And Geaney has to start, imo.
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Post by Chinatown on Sept 2, 2015 16:08:22 GMT
For those of you who like a bet (I don't), you can back Dublin ,for the AI AND Mayo for the AI AND David Moran for POTY --- all at best odds available --- and get a 10% ROI. Three separate bets. Must be odds on for a draw so
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 2, 2015 16:10:56 GMT
For those of you who like a bet (I don't), you can back Dublin ,for the AI AND Mayo for the AI AND David Moran for POTY --- all at best odds available --- and get a 10% ROI. Three separate bets. Must be odds on for a draw so Not in 70 minutes but the winner outright.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 17:26:50 GMT
I don't think it matters who Kerry play at this stage. They have to worry about their own game plan.Kerrys biggest issue to me is the Runners through the middle.Both Dublin and Mayo have had success with that against Kerry in the past.Kerrys lack of size in the backs is their weakness. It will be interesting to see who he puts no.6 and no.3. That to me that will be the winning of the All Ireland. I think it will depend on who wins. If it's Mayo I could see O'Mahony start with Marc Enright Lyne Young and Murphy. If it's Dublin he might go with Crowley.If it's mayo he will go with Donaghy. If it's Dublin he will go with Geaney.Another Question will he go with Buckley or Sheehan. O'Brien Walsh O'Donoghue and Cooper look certs for either team. Time will tell. Dublins full back line is poor and are there for the taking. Mayo look to have a better defence and Midfield. Overall Mayo would be harder to beat i think.
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Post by southward on Sept 2, 2015 20:39:48 GMT
The runners though the middle issue is nothing new; it's been touted as our Achilles heel for as long as I can remember. It may be a potential weakness but the fears are overstated imo. We've done ok up to now.
Look, whatever way you play the game has its upsides and downsides. With two teams of equal numbers, you just can't cover every eventuality. Want to close off all space through the middle? - you're talking about playing the blanket system. To me, that's lowest common denominator strategy and doesn't make the best use of the talent at our disposal.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 2, 2015 21:06:49 GMT
The runners though the middle issue is nothing new; it's been touted as our Achilles heel for as long as I can remember. Frankly it is a problem for every team that doesn't play an ultra-(and ultimately match-losing)-blanket.
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Post by Hicser on Sept 2, 2015 22:22:00 GMT
Agreed, I think in the Mayo replay we toughened big time is this regard. Both Crowley and Griffen plugged that hole. I wonder would Griffen get back in again for this reason?
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 3, 2015 12:12:28 GMT
Agreed, I think in the Mayo replay we toughened big time is this regard. Both Crowley and Griffen plugged that hole. I wonder would Griffen get back in again for this reason? I can see the logic, but Griffin's stock has dropped a lot. He was not in the 26 man squad despite Jack Sherwood and Mikey Geaney dropping out through injury.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 5, 2015 17:40:49 GMT
Dublin so.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 5, 2015 17:56:21 GMT
May the best team win.
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Post by Chinatown on Sept 5, 2015 18:05:35 GMT
May the most deserving in the name of GAA and all we hold dear win
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Post by fenit67 on Sept 5, 2015 18:28:47 GMT
Well here we go, the Dublin "meeja" will be in full swing soon. All will be Sky Blue and Diarmuid will be the figurehead in repelling the invaders from the Culchie Lands outwith the Pale!
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Post by donegalman on Sept 5, 2015 18:29:30 GMT
Dublin 5/6 and kerry 6/5 with ladbrookes. Similar odds across the bookies. I think you could not call this final. Both teams have had almost identical run ins, kerry have had one more tough game than the dubs but the extra game today for dublin is bound to have bucked them up in terms of getting their sh1t together. the 2 best teams in ireland are in the final, and it is all on the day thereafter.
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Post by thepope on Sept 5, 2015 18:48:59 GMT
Jesus was just on to me and he said Kerry will beat the Dubs. I'd put the Vatican on it.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 5, 2015 19:42:17 GMT
Jesus was just on to me and he said Kerry will beat the Dubs. I'd put the Vatican on it. That's great to hear Pope. We might need some divine inspiration!
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Post by norman on Sept 5, 2015 20:54:25 GMT
The jackeen media will be creaming themselves alright. Good win by Dublin against a clueless Mayo team. Should be a good final.
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Post by Hicser on Sept 5, 2015 21:13:33 GMT
I dunno, some finish by Dublin, only thing is the Dubs hand has been shown now. I thought very defensive, great at keeping possession,
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 5, 2015 21:44:31 GMT
I dunno, some finish by Dublin, only thing is the Dubs hand has been shown now. I thought very defensive, great at keeping possession, They took a leaf out of Kerry's book throwing the ball around.. I thought Mayo were very poor when the pressure came on.. I think on today's performance Tyrone (in the form they were in in our semi final) would have beaten them as it was the same old ding dong, as soon as a new challenge presented itself they had no ideas.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2015 1:52:54 GMT
From what I saw of Dubs v Mayo on TV, and I chose to post it here as it is most relevant -
1. AO'6 had his hands on his hips early on, that instance when he kicked a ball out of LCB, a sign of tiredness? Giants burn a lot of fuel and her did show a few other symptoms, was the 6 day turnaround a factor? And I am a big fan of his, he reminds me of Dermot Earley Snr, a gentle giant, humble, I could go on. A bit like John Mullane, greats who didn't get the ultimate decoration.
2. Mayo management expected things to happen instead of making them happen. Ahead by 4 points they should have kicked on for home, instead they lay down. Horan would have geo 'em over the line, any of the top managers would.
3. Ah maybe talk is chaep and Dublin were good, clinical, movement of ball was sublime at times, Brogan goal was precision personified, he made it look easy but wo0uldn;'t try it at home, well unless mother hasn't got access to a frying pan as every valuable will be in smithereens.
4. DC wasn't comfortable and I think part of him didn't want to be there. The booing got to him and it reminded of the replay that Louth should have gotten v Meath, that Meath should have given them.
5. That Dublin goal was walked in. Brogan didn't take too many steps though, he was in cycle of despatching the ball for half of 'em.
6. Ref was 100% and players knew where the line was.
7. In a peculiar way I felt it was going to be Mayo's year, and therefore a Dublin win would suit us better.
8. The world of Gaelic football is in for some spectacular game on the 20th as both teams will bring out the best in each other.
9. 3 of the 1st 4 favourites for footballers of the year are Dubs. And Dublin are bookies favs but that has to do with the population so there is value there. Kerry by 3+ for me.
10. Our own and once Supreme Court Judge Hugh Flaherty was on DRA that allowed DC play; The GAA say the DRA is 'an external' body. Hugh is a good man but the system is weak, as I said DC didn't even want to be there, and was substituted. Anyway, onwards and upwards and up the Hogan stairs we climb. A mere 18 months ago Éamonn was still finding his gear, now he is leading us to a consecutive Sam. What can one say?
And Cian in 9/4 to be next Kildare manager!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 3:41:00 GMT
Great second half by Dublin. Mayo totally fell apart seemed to run out of steam. This will hurt. Bernard Brogan and Paddy Andrews were very good. Alan Brogan and Kevin McManamon excellent subs. Mayo were terrible at the back. Gave them too much room. Enright will have to pick up Brogan and Paul Murphy to mark Andrews. McAuley made a big difference when he came on. Kerry are really up against it. It will be earned this year for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 8:24:24 GMT
Dublin were very impressive and were much the better team. Plenty for eamonn to ponder as dublin have plenty of options. I don't think rock will start the final. He seems low in confidence. I would expect manamon to start. In terms of match ups, I am thinking enright on brogan, Marc on Andrews, Murphy on mcmaniman, mahony/Crowley on Connolly, Lyme on Kilkenny and killian on Flynn.
Dublins midfield really stood up yesterday although SOS going off was a massive help. Mccaffrey is a key guy and a likely poty. He is becoming a real leader on that team. I assume donncha will be given the job to track him again. Given how well dublin stopped aos yesterday, I see little point in starting Donaghy. Also a more mobie forward line should be able to cause more trouble to cluxtons kickouts.
While dublin are not unbeatable, they are deserving favourites and will require kerry to be at their absolute best to win.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2015 9:46:34 GMT
The extra game is a huge benefit to Dublin. They looked all the better for it.
Kerry wont have played for 4 weeks.
Is a two week gap or a four week gap better?
On balance I would say that Dublin are in a better place now.
In evaluating the final we might as well scrub from our minds the Dublin v Mayo game.
Kerry wont be that naïve or clueless.
Kerry will have to be 25% better than they were v Tyrone.
Did Dublin peak yesterday?
.......just thoughts hitting my head at the moment
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 9:58:22 GMT
The Dubs looked rudderless halfway through the second half and could have gone the way of the Donegal semi final last year only for Mayo to implode and self destruct.
It will be a massive test for Kerry to close out this final. They will have to be exceptional on the day in their play and decision making and tactically brilliant to counteract the Dublin threats.
It has the makings of another classic the along lines of 2011 and 2013. It will be a short two weeks.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 6, 2015 10:17:31 GMT
The Dubs looked rudderless halfway through the second half and could have gone the way of the Donegal semi final last year only for Mayo to implode and self destruct. It will be a massive test for Kerry to close out this final. They will have to be exceptional on the day in their play and decision making and tactically brilliant to counteract the Dublin threats. It has the makings of another classic the along lines of 2011 and 2013. It will be a short two weeks. As I mentioned in the Dublin vs Mayo thread and as others have noted long before me - Dublin come alive on the oxygen of goals like no other team. They were wobbling last night in the replay against Mayo until their first goal filled their lungs, hearts and heads. Cutting off that oxygen will be the key to winning this. I also think starting with a big target man at full forward can be fools gold as Mike Quirke so aptly put it in one of his articles. Like 2013, I would play Cooper on the 40 for this game, with JOD at full forward and O'Brien and BJ Keane would be my starting corner forwards. Craft and pace is what you need to take on that Dublin full back line. Whatever combination Eamon decides on, I'm confident we can put up a match winning score but it is our defence that still worries me. We give up do many goal chances and no better team than Dublin to take them. It cannot be allowed to happen – solving that issued will be Eamon’s biggest headache.
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Post by timmy on Sept 6, 2015 11:01:32 GMT
I think the match up will be Enright - Brogan Marc - Andrews Murphy - Kilkenny Crowley - Flynn Lyne - Connelly Killian - Alan Brogan / Rock / McManamon
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 6, 2015 11:54:11 GMT
And so for the thirteenth time Dublin play Kerry in an All Ireland final with the sequence to date being DKDKKKDKKKKD. Kerry have an 8-4 record over Dublin and interestngly Dublin have never won consequetive finals against Kerry so here's hoping this pattern continues.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 6, 2015 12:00:16 GMT
Appearances in the All Ireland Final - do we realise how fortunate we are - only seven counties have been in more than ten All Ireland Finals. Kerry 58, Dublin 37, Cork 23, Galway 24, Meath 15, Mayo 14, Cavan 11.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 6, 2015 15:10:07 GMT
Appearances in the All Ireland Final - do we realise how fortunate we are - only seven counties have been in more than ten All Ireland Finals. Kerry 58, Dublin 37, Cork 23, Galway 24, Meath 15, Mayo 14, Cavan 11. cork have been in 23 finals??? they have won 7 right? i didn't realise they had such a poor return from all ireland final appearances.
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