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Post by fitz on Sept 30, 2015 21:38:48 GMT
I think Philly would be best keeping a low profile but he has a business to promote which I would not blame him for. Overall though my issue with Philly is not his media interviews. He was on Sean O'Rourke this morning, 16 mins full, he's the Conor McGregor of the round ball now
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Post by yourholiness on Sept 30, 2015 22:08:10 GMT
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Post by dano on Oct 1, 2015 1:28:00 GMT
Sound out Mickmack! Let's look forward to 2016. Hope your camera's fixed for Jan 31
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Post by Clogher on Oct 1, 2015 7:45:46 GMT
I see in the irish times Dublin are contesting the proposed one month ban for Philly the Foul, the great hero and hard man who is now almost daily on the radio.
Not surprised - Gavin's self expressed pride in his teams discipline is now ridiculous along side Philly's assertion that he was never pulled up on his antics.
My granny used to say "self praise is no praise", sage advice that Philly is sadly lacking. His trawling for POTY is even more pathetic.
I'm sure it will all come to nothing with the farce that is GAA discipline. Why bother? Money will talk yet again
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Post by Dermot on Oct 1, 2015 8:41:50 GMT
Well do you not think he has some valid points? .... On the McCann incident yes, I would disagree with his view of the penalty claim. Do you? Cheers Dano, ... try telling that to Ciarraíabu though who seems to think otherwise .. or is it just wishful thinking on his part I gave an example of Cavanagh whinging specifically in relation to the Kerry game. I have more than proved my original point. I don't particularly care what you think about the game, anymore than other random internet posters. So let me get this straight .... Tyrone are whinging because "one player" says "one thing" you disagree with .. You're really clutching at straws here Ciarraíabu .... Im sure you could pick a better argument if you thought a little more about it.. I cant see any other reason for this continuing slant against Tyrone ... I think most people realise we took our beating pretty damn well so stop trying to re-write history just to take a dig at Tyrone ... If you're upset about something try looking elsewhere.. I wonder did you take us beating you so well ? p.s. Why are you getting so hateful ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 9:41:40 GMT
You are an awful fool. I have pointed out an example of Tyrones most high profile player whinging about a key decision, yet you still won't accept the point.
How many more examples do you want? I am 100% sure I could find plenty of examples of Tyrone fans complaining if I could be arsed trawling the internet for them.
As for being hateful? Grow up FFS. You really are very sensitive to the slightest bit of criticism. I have said all there is to say on this. You are a joke.
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Post by Dermot on Oct 1, 2015 10:05:18 GMT
You are an awful fool. I have pointed out an example of Tyrones most high profile player whinging about a key decision, yet you still won't accept the point. How many more examples do you want? I am 100% sure I could find plenty of examples of Tyrone fans complaining if I could be arsed trawling the internet for them. As for being hateful? Grow up FFS. You really are very sensitive to the slightest bit of criticism. I have said all there is to say on this. You are a joke. Jeez, you having a bad week or what lmao .. "how many more examples do I want??" .. that's truly hilarious .. as I said, clutching at Straws old boy.. Its well seen that when someone has no substance they resort to personal insults ... and you're latest anti-tyrone tantrum has a reason Im sure but "whinging" isnt it !! .... why dont you just tell the truth .. come on, get it out of your system BTW - was anyone from Tyrone on here whinging ? I would suggest I took our beatings with a little more decorum than you took yours against us .. would I be right? ..Essentially you cant hide your disdain for all things Tyrone, even going so far as making stuff up and posting silly comments that have no veracity ... wise up, you're looking silly picking on this and running with it !!
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 1, 2015 11:51:39 GMT
Maybe he just cant hide his disdain for "all things Dermot". And he wouldnt be alone in that.
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Post by Dermot on Oct 1, 2015 12:36:44 GMT
Maybe he just cant hide his disdain for "all things Dermot". And he wouldnt be alone in that. lol .. Ah poor Sully, ye just cant help yourself but sure I know ye love me really
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Post by fitz on Oct 1, 2015 16:10:31 GMT
Dublin football management are appealing the 1 match ban proposed for the Philly. A major two fingers to the GAA, as Broe Jolly says in the looking of eyes, "who'll blink first?" m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1001/731647-dublin-to-fight-mcmahon-suspension/ In the two questions - do they believe they have a case to answer ? No comment coming from management - do they think they can win the appeal? Why wouldn't they! The former is the most disappointing. If ever there was time to set a precedent it is now. From there forward all appeals should carry penalty of doubling the ban if unsuccessful
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 1, 2015 16:13:13 GMT
I condemn them but they are not as bad as some want to make out. I live in Ballymun and support the club but that doesn't make any odds. I think all of those incidents are marginal and it's not "whataboutery", the fact is that McMahon has become a handy scapegoat for all the ills of the game Rashers, please dont be jumping on the bandwagon "again" if Tyrone bashing rears its ugly head again ... Dont think I can take you seriously after this !!! Dermot, at the time of the furore over McCann I came on here and reacted strongly, overreacted, the reason being that I have a particular dislike of blatant feigning and the fact that a player got very unjustly sent off because of said feigning. I said this at the time. And before you dive in with righteous indignation about Philly McMahon "diving" in the semi-final, let's be clear about comparison and context here, AOS was not punished, and it was shown that contact did actually happen, whatever the outcry of many may have been at the time. I subsequently rowed back on my initial reaction to McCann-gate and took a more balanced view, as you would have seen from posts afterwards so your selectiveness in picking out that one post and using it against me now says more about some kind of victim mentality and opportunistic vindictiveness you seem to be suffering from than me being generally inconsistent or hypocritical, which I'm not. As regards the behaviour of McMahon, you will find if you're continuing your interesting trawl back through old posts that I was not somebody who jumped on any anti-Tyrone bandwagon down through all the years on here, neither did I have anything critical to say about Ricey's behaviour for example, but I have had things to say about Conor Gormley's behaviour, which I was up-front about and stand by, and if you wish to say things about McMahon I won't stand in your way. Enjoy
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 1, 2015 16:18:26 GMT
Comment: Attention-seeking Joe Brolly wide of mark about Gooch Colm Parkinson PUBLISHED 30/09/2015 I was disappointed to see Joe Brolly have a needless pop at Gooch again in the Sunday Independent. There is no doubt that, despite his intelligence, Joe has fallen into the trap of headline addiction. Or else he has an acute case of pundit attention deficit disorder (PADD). Joe is off our television screens now and in need of attention. He points to games Colm Cooper didn't play well in, sometimes conveniently narrowing it down to second halves, because Gooch happened to be excellent in the first. He leaves out big games Gooch played well in and points to his performances in games his team lost. Joe should know better than anyone that a corner-forward is very dependent on the supply of ball he receives. If your team goes out of a game, it is difficult to perform let alone be a leader from corner-forward. Amazingly, and this is hard to believe, in his 'Gaelic Life' column last week he wrote this about his two favourite players: "Say nowadays there is a truly great player on a team. Like Michael Murphy or Aidan O'Shea. He will immediately (unless you're playing Mayo), be double- and treble-marked. Therefore, his statistics will suffer." So Murphy and O'Shea get a pass because they were double- and treble-marked but Gooch is slated. Gooch is double-marked, with a sweeper standing in front of him, in most games he plays, especially in the games against Tyrone that Joe mentioned. He happened to play well - in the second half would you believe - against Tyrone this year but Joe left that one off his list. If I wanted to do a hatchet job on Michael Murphy, I'd point to last year's All-Ireland final, Ulster finals against Monaghan or the Tyrone game this year and say he doesn't do it on the big occasion when closely marked. But that's obviously nonsense and I don't have PADD. Gooch was poor in the All Ireland final for the following reasons - Philly McMahon is a great player, attacking corner-backs are a bloody nightmare to mark, Cian O'Sullivan is a great player and sweeper, it was a horrible day for a forward and Dublin dominated the game. Because Gooch's movement is conservative it can appear like he's not trying when his team is behind. It is all about patience and economy of movement for him in order to get on the end of a move close to goal. When I played in the full-forward line I didn't have the patience for that style, nor was my finishing good enough. I needed to show out in front of my man and get on the ball outside scoring range. It's just a different style. Joe, of course, should understand all of this. Maybe he does, or maybe his PADD is worse than we thought. Irish Independent AOS is not a great player, so the argument was lost there straight away. Bernard Brogan is double and treble marked all the time, or used to be in the recent past, never heard a word about it. Otherwise I agree with Parkinson here. The same applies to Dean Rock's style of play. A lot of Gaelic football & soccer followers don't get it because simply put they believe a player should be all-action, vocal, physical, and 'obvious'. Some players are just smarter, more economic, and better readers of the game.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 1, 2015 16:21:34 GMT
He personifies a lot of the ills of the game. He has plenty of talent but consistently feels the need to act the scrote. He would be a serious contender for player of the year if not for his indisgressions... Ah sure maybe he can take over from Connolly as DOSé's & Kerry's number one "scamp", to make sure he doesn't get any of those pure gael awards. Yis can keep them.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 1, 2015 16:38:18 GMT
I condemn them but they are not as bad as some want to make out. I live in Ballymun and support the club but that doesn't make any odds. I think all of those incidents are marginal and it's not "whataboutery", the fact is that McMahon has become a handy scapegoat for all the ills of the game marginal!! FFS Rashers you have no credibility after that statement. His carryon is not unlike that of Tadhg Kennelly in 2009.... his portraying himself as a hardman and playing the media. Here is what you had to say then.......... kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/3238/kennelly-interview-aus-time-ireland?page=2Well Mick, for someone who openly discredited and questioned the validity of two All-Ireland victories in the last 20 years, forgive me if I consider all of your posts directed at me as having no credibility. You have clearly pushed a very biased agenda on a frequent basis that can not be classified as genuine debate and you have been called out on that by more than me on here. It's impossible to discuss related matters with you. It's funny you should bring up Kennelly now to suit your argument because when he was mentioned before you defended him or said nothing. As for dragging up ancient posts.............I could drag up stuff about Galvin, about Donaghy and so on. I think you'll find as you trawl back through old stuff that if anything I defended Paul Galvin on here when many Kerry supporters didn't. I certainly never condemned him, not on here or any forum in fact. SO from that position to state I've no credibility in defending a Dublin player......I think not sir. I've only just looked at your videos properly there now, I assumed the content of two of them from the titles. In the interests of showing yet again that I don't avoid genuine questions, challenges or debates, I'll say this in response. Exhibit A: Clearly not clear, if anything looks more like fingers moving around the nose and mouth. Donaghy of course claims eye but there's no sign of injury and if it was something bad you can be sure that the Star, a much bigger man than McMahon, would have defended himself or reacted much more strongly. For sure some maggotry was afoot, or a-hand, and McMahon should go to the bold corner. What we do know for sure, from the 2011 final for example, is that Star is wont to make a meal out of contacts, such as the way he dived like a sack of spuds to the ground from Brennan's hand to the face (very similar to Gooch's hand to McMahon's face in this year's final, did Gooch get booked? Brennan got booked, many Kerry people said it should have been red) and then gesticulated and mouthed off to the ref in an attempt to get Brennan punished. Star as we know is about twice the size of Ger Brennan. Exhibit B: Could have been accidental but probably not. Contact looks minor but it was wrong. McMahon to meet with an Máistir after class. Exhibit C: Looks terrible but was later proven to have been a photo-shop/video creation that never happened. If it had happened then how come there was no enquiry and no punishment? Ah wait, I know the answer I'll get to that. Nonetheless, he should never have got caught on camera with a mouth like that. McMahon to the principle's office.
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Post by fitz on Oct 1, 2015 17:06:19 GMT
Comment: Attention-seeking Joe Brolly wide of mark about Gooch Colm Parkinson PUBLISHED 30/09/2015 I was disappointed to see Joe Brolly have a needless pop at Gooch again in the Sunday Independent. There is no doubt that, despite his intelligence, Joe has fallen into the trap of headline addiction. Or else he has an acute case of pundit attention deficit disorder (PADD). Joe is off our television screens now and in need of attention. He points to games Colm Cooper didn't play well in, sometimes conveniently narrowing it down to second halves, because Gooch happened to be excellent in the first. He leaves out big games Gooch played well in and points to his performances in games his team lost. Joe should know better than anyone that a corner-forward is very dependent on the supply of ball he receives. If your team goes out of a game, it is difficult to perform let alone be a leader from corner-forward. Amazingly, and this is hard to believe, in his 'Gaelic Life' column last week he wrote this about his two favourite players: "Say nowadays there is a truly great player on a team. Like Michael Murphy or Aidan O'Shea. He will immediately (unless you're playing Mayo), be double- and treble-marked. Therefore, his statistics will suffer." So Murphy and O'Shea get a pass because they were double- and treble-marked but Gooch is slated. Gooch is double-marked, with a sweeper standing in front of him, in most games he plays, especially in the games against Tyrone that Joe mentioned. He happened to play well - in the second half would you believe - against Tyrone this year but Joe left that one off his list. If I wanted to do a hatchet job on Michael Murphy, I'd point to last year's All-Ireland final, Ulster finals against Monaghan or the Tyrone game this year and say he doesn't do it on the big occasion when closely marked. But that's obviously nonsense and I don't have PADD. Gooch was poor in the All Ireland final for the following reasons - Philly McMahon is a great player, attacking corner-backs are a bloody nightmare to mark, Cian O'Sullivan is a great player and sweeper, it was a horrible day for a forward and Dublin dominated the game. Because Gooch's movement is conservative it can appear like he's not trying when his team is behind. It is all about patience and economy of movement for him in order to get on the end of a move close to goal. When I played in the full-forward line I didn't have the patience for that style, nor was my finishing good enough. I needed to show out in front of my man and get on the ball outside scoring range. It's just a different style. Joe, of course, should understand all of this. Maybe he does, or maybe his PADD is worse than we thought. Irish Independent AOS is not a great player, so the argument was lost there straight away. Bernard Brogan is double and treble marked all the time, or used to be in the recent past, never heard a word about it. Otherwise I agree with Parkinson here. The same applies to Dean Rock's style of play. A lot of Gaelic football & soccer followers don't get it because simply put they believe a player should be all-action, vocal, physical, and 'obvious'. Some players are just smarter, more economic, and better readers of the game. C'mon - nobody is treble marked, ever. Against Fermanagh, Brogan had no marker for a lot of the game re: his goal, and in the final he was 1:1 with Shane all the time. I think the double-marked thing is a "loose" term, that sees a priority order for a sweeper to assist a team-mate when a player is on the ball. Brogan and Cooper would be high priorities. Also, if someone is truly "double-marked" some other buck is roaming free. My points are - you're over-exaggerating on Brogan, but it was likely a throwaway remark? - I take the point that Brogan "can" be double-mark" targeted as he's Dublin's best forward but the article was about Cooper, and specifically the AI final, and the day, and Brolly's specific criticism - so I'm not sure what your other point is ? Brogan would have played better in the circumstances or he would have had the same struggle and performance as Gooch? I agree on OShea - he's nowhere near a great player, he's got the attributes but the CV is miles short and he's had bad games on big days. Connacht titles won't polish shoes.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2015 17:31:42 GMT
Well Mick, for someone who openly discredited and questioned the validity of two All-Ireland victories in the last 20 years, forgive me if I consider all of your posts directed at me as having no credibility. You have clearly pushed a very biased agenda on a frequent basis that can not be classified as genuine debate and you have been called out on that by more than me on here. It's impossible to discuss related matters with you. It's funny you should bring up Kennelly now to suit your argument because when he was mentioned before you defended him or said nothing. As for dragging up ancient posts.............I could drag up stuff about Galvin, about Donaghy and so on. I think you'll find as you trawl back through old stuff that if anything I defended Paul Galvin on here when many Kerry supporters didn't. I certainly never condemned him, not on here or any forum in fact. SO from that position to state I've no credibility in defending a Dublin player......I think not sir. I've only just looked at your videos properly there now, I assumed the content of two of them from the titles. In the interests of showing yet again that I don't avoid genuine questions, challenges or debates, I'll say this in response. Exhibit A: Clearly not clear, if anything looks more like fingers moving around the nose and mouth. Donaghy of course claims eye but there's no sign of injury and if it was something bad you can be sure that the Star, a much bigger man than McMahon, would have defended himself or reacted much more strongly. For sure some maggotry was afoot, or a-hand, and McMahon should go to the bold corner. What we do know for sure, from the 2011 final for example, is that Star is wont to make a meal out of contacts, such as the way he dived like a sack of spuds to the ground from Brennan's hand to the face (very similar to Gooch's hand to McMahon's face in this year's final, did Gooch get booked? Brennan got booked, many Kerry people said it should have been red) and then gesticulated and mouthed off to the ref in an attempt to get Brennan punished. Star as we know is about twice the size of Ger Brennan. Exhibit B: Could have been accidental but probably not. Contact looks minor but it was wrong. McMahon to meet with an Máistir after class. Exhibit C: Looks terrible but was later proven to have been a photo-shop/video creation that never happened. If it had happened then how come there was no enquiry and no punishment? Ah wait, I know the answer I'll get to that. Nonetheless, he should never have got caught on camera with a mouth like that. McMahon to the principle's office. so you adjudicated them as "marginal" without looking at them properly... I suggest that you have a read of what you had to say about Kennellys crass behaviour on and off the field...just like McMahons in fact. That's why I brought it up. (and to be honest I would have said nothing if you hadn't had the little pop about Donaghy letting Kerry down in 2015. Did McMahon let Dublin down in 2015). Rashers...some people are not worth defending no matter how many All Irelands are at stake does this look read like me defending Kennelly or saying nothing. Nicholas Murphy was caught off guard and could have ended up like Mickey Ned in 1975 or worse.......perish the thought. And then he says he did proofread the book after telling us last September that he hadnt.
Tadhg Kennelly is an embarrassment at this stage. It is clear that number one is all that matters. Being a Kerry footballer always carried with a certain decorum which is lost of Tadlhg.
Can you just imagine the furore if it were Sean Cavanagh that did it to a Kerry player in the first minute of a final.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2015 17:38:27 GMT
In fairness I felt Dermot and Tyroneperson were very realistic about the Kerry-Tyrone game.... a few decisions could have gone their way but overall the better team won would be a short summation. (Very like Kerrys peoples reaction the final actually).
Sean Cavanagh's piece as well as Canavans were trying to counter the reaction by TSG to the Tyrone v Monaghan QF.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 17:42:22 GMT
Well Mick, for someone who openly discredited and questioned the validity of two All-Ireland victories in the last 20 years, forgive me if I consider all of your posts directed at me as having no credibility. You have clearly pushed a very biased agenda on a frequent basis that can not be classified as genuine debate and you have been called out on that by more than me on here. It's impossible to discuss related matters with you. It's funny you should bring up Kennelly now to suit your argument because when he was mentioned before you defended him or said nothing. As for dragging up ancient posts.............I could drag up stuff about Galvin, about Donaghy and so on. I think you'll find as you trawl back through old stuff that if anything I defended Paul Galvin on here when many Kerry supporters didn't. I certainly never condemned him, not on here or any forum in fact. SO from that position to state I've no credibility in defending a Dublin player......I think not sir. I've only just looked at your videos properly there now, I assumed the content of two of them from the titles. In the interests of showing yet again that I don't avoid genuine questions, challenges or debates, I'll say this in response. Exhibit A: Clearly not clear, if anything looks more like fingers moving around the nose and mouth. Donaghy of course claims eye but there's no sign of injury and if it was something bad you can be sure that the Star, a much bigger man than McMahon, would have defended himself or reacted much more strongly. For sure some maggotry was afoot, or a-hand, and McMahon should go to the bold corner. What we do know for sure, from the 2011 final for example, is that Star is wont to make a meal out of contacts, such as the way he dived like a sack of spuds to the ground from Brennan's hand to the face (very similar to Gooch's hand to McMahon's face in this year's final, did Gooch get booked? Brennan got booked, many Kerry people said it should have been red) and then gesticulated and mouthed off to the ref in an attempt to get Brennan punished. Star as we know is about twice the size of Ger Brennan. Exhibit B: Could have been accidental but probably not. Contact looks minor but it was wrong. McMahon to meet with an Máistir after class. Exhibit C: Looks terrible but was later proven to have been a photo-shop/video creation that never happened. If it had happened then how come there was no enquiry and no punishment? Ah wait, I know the answer I'll get to that. Nonetheless, he should never have got caught on camera with a mouth like that. McMahon to the principle's office. So I understand fully. Exhibit a Donaghy may have exaggerated the contact or alternatively he would have given a more violent reaction. Brennan and gooch are involved also Exhibit b Deliberate but minor contact Exhibit c Videoshop If I ever get in trouble you will be my lawyer, hilarious stuff. You are trying too hard
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2015 18:06:42 GMT
Perception is reality and yourself and MM's insistence on talking about the ref gives the perception that we in Kerry are not happy with the referee's performance. While the ref did well in the circumstances, it is true that a few very significant marginal calls didn't go Kerrys way. Kerry needed the breaks to go their way in this game as trying to retain it is well nigh impossible. Kerry got a lot more marginal calls from the ref in the 2014 semi final replay in Limerick and I said that after the game (to derision from a few on here) so I will resist any suggestions of ref bashing..... thank you. I think it was a very bad call by the GAA to appoint a ref living and working in a competing county. I think its a dangerous precedent and should not be repeated. Do you agree? still waiting for an answer? or am I blocked!!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 1, 2015 19:06:38 GMT
Well Mick, for someone who openly discredited and questioned the validity of two All-Ireland victories in the last 20 years, forgive me if I consider all of your posts directed at me as having no credibility. You have clearly pushed a very biased agenda on a frequent basis that can not be classified as genuine debate and you have been called out on that by more than me on here. It's impossible to discuss related matters with you. It's funny you should bring up Kennelly now to suit your argument because when he was mentioned before you defended him or said nothing. As for dragging up ancient posts.............I could drag up stuff about Galvin, about Donaghy and so on. I think you'll find as you trawl back through old stuff that if anything I defended Paul Galvin on here when many Kerry supporters didn't. I certainly never condemned him, not on here or any forum in fact. SO from that position to state I've no credibility in defending a Dublin player......I think not sir. I've only just looked at your videos properly there now, I assumed the content of two of them from the titles. In the interests of showing yet again that I don't avoid genuine questions, challenges or debates, I'll say this in response. Exhibit A: Clearly not clear, if anything looks more like fingers moving around the nose and mouth. Donaghy of course claims eye but there's no sign of injury and if it was something bad you can be sure that the Star, a much bigger man than McMahon, would have defended himself or reacted much more strongly. For sure some maggotry was afoot, or a-hand, and McMahon should go to the bold corner. What we do know for sure, from the 2011 final for example, is that Star is wont to make a meal out of contacts, such as the way he dived like a sack of spuds to the ground from Brennan's hand to the face (very similar to Gooch's hand to McMahon's face in this year's final, did Gooch get booked? Brennan got booked, many Kerry people said it should have been red) and then gesticulated and mouthed off to the ref in an attempt to get Brennan punished. Star as we know is about twice the size of Ger Brennan. Exhibit B: Could have been accidental but probably not. Contact looks minor but it was wrong. McMahon to meet with an Máistir after class. Exhibit C: Looks terrible but was later proven to have been a photo-shop/video creation that never happened. If it had happened then how come there was no enquiry and no punishment? Ah wait, I know the answer I'll get to that. Nonetheless, he should never have got caught on camera with a mouth like that. McMahon to the principle's office. so you adjudicated them as "marginal" without looking at them properly... I suggest that you have a read of what you had to say about Kennellys crass behaviour on and off the field...just like McMahons in fact. That's why I brought it up. (and to be honest I would have said nothing if you hadn't had the little pop about Donaghy letting Kerry down in 2015. Did McMahon let Dublin down in 2015). Rashers...some people are not worth defending no matter how many All Irelands are at stake does this look read like me defending Kennelly or saying nothing. Nicholas Murphy was caught off guard and could have ended up like Mickey Ned in 1975 or worse.......perish the thought. And then he says he did proofread the book after telling us last September that he hadnt.
Tadhg Kennelly is an embarrassment at this stage. It is clear that number one is all that matters. Being a Kerry footballer always carried with a certain decorum which is lost of Tadlhg.
Can you just imagine the furore if it were Sean Cavanagh that did it to a Kerry player in the first minute of a final.
You're right, I did openly express criticism of Kennelly, I haven't denied that, my memory may have failed me as to what you have said in subsequent comments/discussions of wrongdoing/alleged wrongdoing by players, and in reference to the current debate I will say the following: Kennelly's action was very dangerous, it was clearly very dangerous, I think most would be agreed that an elbow to the face/head at high speed/with great force is one of the most dangerous things you can do. As you pointed out around the time, in fairness, it wasn't just the action, worse than that he then compounded it by what he said in the book/interviews, and also implicated his team-mate Paul Galvin by association ("I was rooming with Paul, I told him the night before the final etc etc"). If I was Galvin I'd have called Kennelly out on that big-time, I'd say he did in private, given that Galvin is 10-times the man Kennelly was in that situation). To further add insult to injury and the rest, Kennelly went on telly in Australia and laughed about all the above, joking with the boys, in the context of his successes there and at home, and how silly the whole furore was etc. Now, I've no problem in stating that there are several differences and degrees of offence there in comparison with McMahon. I've also no problem saying McMahon has done wrong but I'm being very honest here in saying that the evidence, so far, is not as damning. If for example Kennelly's assault on Murphy had been less, or the evidence less, and if he hadn't compounded it with the follow-up comments etc, then I wouldn't have seen it as having been nearly as bad. It wouldn't really have been an issue. McMahon has been guilty of saying "I don't care what people say about me". And he may be guilty of denying some things that have happened. But the fact is, the proof is inconclusive, certainly in comparison to the Kennelly situation. That is exactly how I see it. I think some people are now taking McMahon's interviews where he talks about his upbringing etc and choosing to interpret those as being justifications or glorifications of 'hard-man' behaviour. They aren't as far as I can see but people will take what they want from it. Naturally as a treble All-I winner getting recognition (at last) for some top performances and being associated with controversy, he is getting a lot of interviews. He is interesting news at the moment. As somebody said above in many ways he'd be better sticking to his previous low profile media-wise, it worked well for him. Next year could prove very tough, in footballing terms. To take another example, as regards Galvin and fish-hook and notebook-gates, I don't and never have condemned him or added anything to that debate except in support of Galvin. I feel the same way about McMahon as I did about Galvin.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 1, 2015 19:07:35 GMT
Well Mick, for someone who openly discredited and questioned the validity of two All-Ireland victories in the last 20 years, forgive me if I consider all of your posts directed at me as having no credibility. You have clearly pushed a very biased agenda on a frequent basis that can not be classified as genuine debate and you have been called out on that by more than me on here. It's impossible to discuss related matters with you. It's funny you should bring up Kennelly now to suit your argument because when he was mentioned before you defended him or said nothing. As for dragging up ancient posts.............I could drag up stuff about Galvin, about Donaghy and so on. I think you'll find as you trawl back through old stuff that if anything I defended Paul Galvin on here when many Kerry supporters didn't. I certainly never condemned him, not on here or any forum in fact. SO from that position to state I've no credibility in defending a Dublin player......I think not sir. I've only just looked at your videos properly there now, I assumed the content of two of them from the titles. In the interests of showing yet again that I don't avoid genuine questions, challenges or debates, I'll say this in response. Exhibit A: Clearly not clear, if anything looks more like fingers moving around the nose and mouth. Donaghy of course claims eye but there's no sign of injury and if it was something bad you can be sure that the Star, a much bigger man than McMahon, would have defended himself or reacted much more strongly. For sure some maggotry was afoot, or a-hand, and McMahon should go to the bold corner. What we do know for sure, from the 2011 final for example, is that Star is wont to make a meal out of contacts, such as the way he dived like a sack of spuds to the ground from Brennan's hand to the face (very similar to Gooch's hand to McMahon's face in this year's final, did Gooch get booked? Brennan got booked, many Kerry people said it should have been red) and then gesticulated and mouthed off to the ref in an attempt to get Brennan punished. Star as we know is about twice the size of Ger Brennan. Exhibit B: Could have been accidental but probably not. Contact looks minor but it was wrong. McMahon to meet with an Máistir after class. Exhibit C: Looks terrible but was later proven to have been a photo-shop/video creation that never happened. If it had happened then how come there was no enquiry and no punishment? Ah wait, I know the answer I'll get to that. Nonetheless, he should never have got caught on camera with a mouth like that. McMahon to the principle's office. So I understand fully. Exhibit a Donaghy may have exaggerated the contact or alternatively he would have given a more violent reaction. Brennan and gooch are involved also Exhibit b Deliberate but minor contact Exhibit c Videoshop If I ever get in trouble you will be my lawyer, hilarious stuff. You are trying too hard Just calling it as I see it. Sorry if not agreeing with you is a problem.
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falveyb2k
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Post by falveyb2k on Oct 1, 2015 19:14:12 GMT
Jesus rashers, your first post back was excellent but to say the proof is inconclusive......, I'm lost for words as to how anybody could genuinely say that, it's one of the most blatant things you could see, the ball isn't anywhere near, we all know what happened
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Post by himself on Oct 1, 2015 19:15:29 GMT
As a reasonably regular poster who enjoys the forum and has appreciated great posts by all of ye (and I mean that sincerely lads, or ladies, I don't know), I'd just like to say at this stage that in regard to this thread, I agree with all of ye. On everything. The last couple of pages really should be submitted for a McNamee Award. As another great poster mused recently on a different topic "Is there anything to be said for another mass, Ted?"
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2015 19:28:39 GMT
Rashers
I believe that you don't see what you don't want to see. Just calling it as I see it. I do think that you have a bit of a credibility problem on here now though.
I'll leave it at that seeing as himself is calling for last orders!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 1, 2015 21:12:37 GMT
Regarding my reading of TK's elbow charge on Nicholas Murphy... I actually don't think it was premeditated... how could it have been if you think about it?
I reckon it was put in the book as such and perhaps the notoriety was enjoyed and TK went along with that narrative.
I don't know which was worse.
Personally my knickers aren't that in a twist over McMahon. I'd be more concerned about the fact that this one game ban will almost certainly over ruled. At the moment there is carte blanche for players to behave poorly on the pitch.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 1, 2015 21:14:06 GMT
While the ref did well in the circumstances, it is true that a few very significant marginal calls didn't go Kerrys way. Kerry needed the breaks to go their way in this game as trying to retain it is well nigh impossible. Kerry got a lot more marginal calls from the ref in the 2014 semi final replay in Limerick and I said that after the game (to derision from a few on here) so I will resist any suggestions of ref bashing..... thank you. I think it was a very bad call by the GAA to appoint a ref living and working in a competing county. I think its a dangerous precedent and should not be repeated. Do you agree? still waiting for an answer? or am I blocked!! No you're not blocked but like Brolly I am not giving you the oxygen of indulging you in this rubbish (I will probably renege on this decision soon much to my immediate regret).
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I wonder, is there a goal in this game??
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Post by MeathExile on Oct 1, 2015 22:12:25 GMT
Not so much of a precedent wrt ref selection. First uncle Joe doing the friendlies then a guy living in the county a stones throw from Brogans and Kilkenny s clubs. Rumour has it that Pillar is taking a refs course and is odds on for next Dub AI?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 1, 2015 22:18:49 GMT
Not so much of a precedent wrt ref selection. First uncle Joe doing the friendlies then a guy living in the county a stones throw from Brogans and Kilkenny s clubs. Rumour has it that Pillar is taking a refs course and is odds on for next Dub AI? I know it is terrible. Imagine if we got a Cork ref for a final?!!!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 1, 2015 22:27:44 GMT
Not so much of a precedent wrt ref selection. First uncle Joe doing the friendlies then a guy living in the county a stones throw from Brogans and Kilkenny s clubs. Rumour has it that Pillar is taking a refs course and is odds on for next Dub AI? I know it is terrible. Imagine if we got a Cork ref for a final?!!! Awesome, better again if he lived and worked in Killarney and took a few pints in the Tatlers.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2015 22:28:35 GMT
Annascaul Do you think it is a good thing that the GAA have started appointing refs who are living and employed in one of the competing counties? There used to be a policy at one stage as far as I know that the ref came from one of the provinces that wasn't represented on the day. Personally I think it is not a good move. I am not casting any aspersions on anyone so please reply without the usual lecturing and lofty tone. No. I don't think it is a good idea. Luckily the final was reffed well bar the timekeeping issue. Luckily the players decided the game and the referee facilitated rather than influenced the game. Ah.... I think I know what you really want to say as you have already said that its not a good idea. You just don't have the courage of your convictions. We don't know how this appointment effected the players heads leading up to the game. Maybe it didnt. Maybe it did. I certainly saw it as a bad omen. I pretty much switched off for the week leading up to the game and didn't even log on here. Then I heard as a fact that Cian OSullivan wouldn't make it and I started to believe that Kerry might get in for a few goals. I am not saying that the ref didn't do a reasonable job. Its just that it wasn't a good omen for players. Even the Kerry cOunty Hurling final is reffeed every year by officials with no connection to Kerry. I think that this should not happen again.
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