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Post by ddtinexile on Sept 27, 2015 16:52:57 GMT
It didn't take a Corkman long either to get out of the traps either.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 27, 2015 17:15:44 GMT
Seemingly Donegal were "well on the way to winning" last year's final before Durcan's error. Really?The goal was scored on 52 minutes with Kerry one point in front. It was all to play for.
Sepp Brolly lets himself down by twisting things to suit his narrative.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 27, 2015 17:32:55 GMT
Apparently our win in 09 against cork was over after the first quarter as well despite the fact they were leading us. It just shows how bitter the man is that he has to lie in order to try and belittle others. I see yesterday as well that liam hayes reckons we are worthy of only one all star this year, i feel sorry for both of these guys. To carry that hatred with you must mean your life is incredibly sad
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Post by veteran on Sept 27, 2015 18:00:56 GMT
Why oh why do some posters on this forum continue to confer status on Comical Joe Ali?
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Post by dano on Sept 27, 2015 18:18:06 GMT
The definition of a "soft AllIreland" 1. An All Ireland involving Kerry winning. 2.an All Ireland, naturally involving Kerry winning, where they don't have to play any one of the brilliant 9 teams of Ulster. Yes the same Ulster who, between the 9 of them, have 15 titles won, if that. Now I don't begrudge one of those wins to any of those Ulster teams and actually know and understand how great it was for the association when Down broke through in the 60s, Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal more recently. Derry won their one in the 90s. They beat Cork with Joe playing. Was it a 'soft' one because they only beat Cork Joe? or does that only apply to Kerry.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 27, 2015 20:00:30 GMT
Brolly is beneath contempt. Shame on those who pay him to produce this bile.
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Post by G_S_J on Sept 27, 2015 20:09:51 GMT
If Kilkenny smash Waterford or Limerick in an All-Ireland final it's seen as a 'perfect display' if Kerry do it to Cork or Mayo it's because we had it soft.
I've only ever heard of one county winning 'soft All-Ireland's' and that's us. Pure bitterness, enough said.
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Post by southward on Sept 27, 2015 20:19:52 GMT
Must be the luckiest tribe in the world all the same; 37 soft All-Irelands. The hurling title was probably jammy too.
We should all go out and do the Lotto.
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Post by G_S_J on Sept 27, 2015 20:24:24 GMT
Must be the luckiest tribe in the world all the same; 37 soft All-Irelands. The hurling title was probably jammy too. We should all go out and do the Lotto. We'd probably have one of those lads from Stokes and Kennedy Crowley in our back pockets. Shur Kennedy and Crowley are Kerry names!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 27, 2015 20:33:55 GMT
You may recall that I had Joe sussed a long time ago and here he proves it yet again.
Joe decides on a conclusion and then picks a few facts from the vastness of history to support his preconceived notion, sad really, akin to what lawyers do in trying to manipulate a court case, and Joe is a lawyer, and probably a decent one but a pathetic pundit and probably for the same reason.
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Post by fitz on Sept 27, 2015 21:12:11 GMT
The slight that he isn't a leader is the point that got under my skin. Specifically considering in 2010 he single handedly almost rescued the game against Down and more specifically that Brolly lavished praise on his performance in the aftermath. It was that good he got an All Star from beaten quarter finalist. Gooch had fine games in 02, 05(was flying until eye stabbed) indeed he was clearly that abject that Canavan felt need to rugby tackle him late in game, 08, 11. 09 and last week were his only weak finals. 2013 he was awesome in first half, decent in second, leg tripped by Philly heading for goal in last 10. I hope there's a strong response to this.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 27, 2015 21:42:06 GMT
The definition of a "soft AllIreland" 1. An All Ireland involving Kerry winning. 2.an All Ireland, naturally involving Kerry winning, where they don't have to play any one of the brilliant 9 teams of Ulster. Yes the same Ulster who, between the 9 of them, have 15 titles won, if that. Now I don't begrudge one of those wins to any of those Ulster teams and actually know and understand how great it was for the association when Down broke through in the 60s, Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal more recently. Derry won their one in the 90s. They beat Cork with Joe playing. Was it a 'soft' one because they only beat Cork Joe? or does that only apply to Kerry. Houl on, houl on... Ulster teams have 17 AI titles
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Post by baurtregaum on Sept 27, 2015 22:56:17 GMT
The slight that he isn't a leader is the point that got under my skin. Specifically considering in 2010 he single handedly almost rescued the game against Down and more specifically that Brolly lavished praise on his performance in the aftermath. It was that good he got an All Star from beaten quarter finalist. Gooch had fine games in 02, 05(was flying until eye stabbed) indeed he was clearly that abject that Canavan felt need to rugby tackle him late in game, 08, 11. 09 and last week were his only weak finals. 2013 he was awesome in first half, decent in second, leg tripped by Philly heading for goal in last 10. I hope there's a strong response to this. I hope there isn't. Joe would love nothing more than Radio Kerry or the local papers returning fire. He thrives on controversy more than any other pundit and is best ignored, as hard as that is sometimes. His article is the definition of "selective memory". 6 soft ones since 2000. I'll take that, thanks Joe.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 27, 2015 23:25:40 GMT
The slight that he isn't a leader is the point that got under my skin. Specifically considering in 2010 he single handedly almost rescued the game against Down and more specifically that Brolly lavished praise on his performance in the aftermath. It was that good he got an All Star from beaten quarter finalist. Gooch had fine games in 02, 05(was flying until eye stabbed) indeed he was clearly that abject that Canavan felt need to rugby tackle him late in game, 08, 11. 09 and last week were his only weak finals. 2013 he was awesome in first half, decent in second, leg tripped by Philly heading for goal in last 10. I hope there's a strong response to this. Ill prob get lynched for sayIng this but I can sorta see where joe is coming from in both the donaghy and gooch articles. But, also being a corner forward he has to rely on some one to get the ball into him. But, reading your own post you admit that in the last 4 finals he has played have been his weakest. Maybe with the renewed emphasis on defence it just doesn't suit him...not to say his not a great player maybe just beginning to fall out of kilter as the new style of how football is played wouldn't maximise his obvious strengths
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Post by dano on Sept 28, 2015 0:43:15 GMT
My apologies Ardmhacha Down 5, Tyrone 3, Donegal 2, Cavan 3 Derry 1 and Armagh 1. Am I missing 2?
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 28, 2015 6:32:38 GMT
My apologies Ardmhacha Down 5, Tyrone 3, Donegal 2, Cavan 3 Derry 1 and Armagh 1. Am I missing 2? Does he mean the last two winners had to become Ulster teams to win?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 28, 2015 8:51:36 GMT
Brolly is beneath contempt. Shame on those who pay him to produce this bile. Brolly gets his kicks at having a laugh at Kerry. Sad man.
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Post by fitz on Sept 28, 2015 9:34:04 GMT
The slight that he isn't a leader is the point that got under my skin. Specifically considering in 2010 he single handedly almost rescued the game against Down and more specifically that Brolly lavished praise on his performance in the aftermath. It was that good he got an All Star from beaten quarter finalist. Gooch had fine games in 02, 05(was flying until eye stabbed) indeed he was clearly that abject that Canavan felt need to rugby tackle him late in game, 08, 11. 09 and last week were his only weak finals. 2013 he was awesome in first half, decent in second, leg tripped by Philly heading for goal in last 10. I hope there's a strong response to this. Ill prob get lynched for sayIng this but I can sorta see where joe is coming from in both the donaghy and gooch articles. But, also being a corner forward he has to rely on some one to get the ball into him. But, reading your own post you admit that in the last 4 finals he has played have been his weakest. Maybe with the renewed emphasis on defence it just doesn't suit him...not to say his not a great player maybe just beginning to fall out of kilter as the new style of how football is played wouldn't maximise his obvious strengths Far from weak in 11 final
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Post by fitz on Sept 28, 2015 9:36:27 GMT
Can anyone remember another player getting an All Star straight out of minor?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 28, 2015 10:11:00 GMT
My apologies Ardmhacha Down 5, Tyrone 3, Donegal 2, Cavan 3 Derry 1 and Armagh 1. Am I missing 2? Cavan have 5.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 28, 2015 11:44:50 GMT
My apologies Ardmhacha Down 5, Tyrone 3, Donegal 2, Cavan 3 Derry 1 and Armagh 1. Am I missing 2? Cavan have 5. 1933 1935 1947(the year the played in New York and bate Kerry) 1948 1952 John Joe O'Reilly was the real star of their team in the 40's, with Higgins, T.P. O'Reilly and O'Donohue the other stars.
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Post by aranteorainn on Sept 28, 2015 13:12:10 GMT
Brolly winding ye up nicely lads.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 28, 2015 14:29:43 GMT
Commiserations to Kerry and all Kerry posters here, it just wasn't your day. As has been shown again and again over the last 25 years, defending the title is almost impossible. On top of that you had the fact that your semi-final became such a huge event and the winning of it a big celebration, it's not at all surprising that Kerry were flat.
I also think the loss of Marc OSé proved to be a grievous one in the sense that I think that the team felt a bit lost with no great OSé talisman there.
For our part apart from the obvious reaction to winning the third All-I for this team, (I felt very stressed about it because in my mind they just had to win it after last year and in order to go down as one of the All-time great teams, and not as having really underachieved. These have been the peak years of this team. Talk of conveyor belts etc is hyperbole as ever. The well has been well-tapped at this stage, and regardless of a general quantity of very good to excellent players, the fact is that only once in a 'blue' moon do you get a group of players together with many having the leadership qualities as well as football ability of a number of these lads. Some of those are now in the twilight or have alot of miles on the clock. So nothing is guaranteed), I was disappointed we didn't put the game away given the possession and territory and chances we had, I feel that Kerry in the recent past would have done so. Not often taking goal chances clinically remains a failing of this team but they got the result this time so it didn't really matter.
As for Brolly, anything for a wind-up that chap. We all know the evidence of Gooch Cooper's achievements. One year back from one of the worst injuries of any player, at the age of 32, and on a day when most of his team didn't really perform, and possession was like hen's teeth for Kerry forwards, and Brolly is picking on him. Perversely his love-in with Kieran Donaghy makes no sense to me, I think in many respects Donaghy let Kerry down this year, other than in one of the Cork games, with that goal. His comments before the match about ROC & "yer man who kicked the free at the end" (in 2011) were of no help to Kerry's cause or his own preparation. But he has done plenty on other days/in other years so owes nobody anything.
A word for Kerry supporters I met after the match, to a man & woman incredibly fair and magnanimous, continuing a great tradition. Yous will certainly be back, afresh, and Colm Cooper will still have a significant role to play, maybe Tommy Walsh too with another year recovery and practice behind him. As for your formidable minor crop.............................better days ahead for sure!
I think in hindsight it worked out well for us losing to Donegal last year, as I'm full sure Kerry would have beaten us in the final, and the lessons were learned for this year, and team was very fresh and hungry. Of course the Mayo games worked out perfectly. That said, this team should have been going for 3-in-a-row this year, and they still haven't managed to reach a final the year after winning one. If a Leinster team can emerge as challengers maybe the back door route might suit us next year............
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 28, 2015 17:02:30 GMT
Commiserations to Kerry and all Kerry posters here, it just wasn't your day. As has been shown again and again over the last 25 years, defending the title is almost impossible. On top of that you had the fact that your semi-final became such a huge event and the winning of it a big celebration, it's not at all surprising that Kerry were flat. I also think the loss of Marc OSé proved to be a grievous one in the sense that I think that the team felt a bit lost with no great OSé talisman there. For our part apart from the obvious reaction to winning the third All-I for this team, (I felt very stressed about it because in my mind they just had to win it after last year and in order to go down as one of the All-time great teams, and not as having really underachieved. These have been the peak years of this team. Talk of conveyor belts etc is hyperbole as ever. The well has been well-tapped at this stage, and regardless of a general quantity of very good to excellent players, the fact is that only once in a 'blue' moon do you get a group of players together with many having the leadership qualities as well as football ability of a number of these lads. Some of those are now in the twilight or have alot of miles on the clock. So nothing is guaranteed), I was disappointed we didn't put the game away given the possession and territory and chances we had, I feel that Kerry in the recent past would have done so. Not often taking goal chances clinically remains a failing of this team but they got the result this time so it didn't really matter. As for Brolly, anything for a wind-up that chap. We all know the evidence of Gooch Cooper's achievements. One year back from one of the worst injuries of any player, at the age of 32, and on a day when most of his team didn't really perform, and possession was like hen's teeth for Kerry forwards, and Brolly is picking on him. Perversely his love-in with Kieran Donaghy makes no sense to me, I think in many respects Donaghy let Kerry down this year, other than in one of the Cork games, with that goal. His comments before the match about ROC & "yer man who kicked the free at the end" (in 2011) were of no help to Kerry's cause or his own preparation. But he has done plenty on other days/in other years so owes nobody anything. A word for Kerry supporters I met after the match, to a man & woman incredibly fair and magnanimous, continuing a great tradition. Yous will certainly be back, afresh, and Colm Cooper will still have a significant role to play, maybe Tommy Walsh too with another year recovery and practice behind him. As for your formidable minor crop.............................better days ahead for sure! I think in hindsight it worked out well for us losing to Donegal last year, as I'm full sure Kerry would have beaten us in the final, and the lessons were learned for this year, and team was very fresh and hungry. Of course the Mayo games worked out perfectly. That said, this team should have been going for 3-in-a-row this year, and they still haven't managed to reach a final the year after winning one. If a Leinster team can emerge as challengers maybe the back door route might suit us next year............ If he were on for the 70 minutes we might have had a different result. Since you mention Donaghy, do you have anything opinion on Philly McMahons "his hand should be there" incident? Do you condemn McMahon?
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 28, 2015 17:04:11 GMT
You may recall that I had Joe sussed a long time ago and here he proves it yet again. Joe decides on a conclusion and then picks a few facts from the vastness of history to support his preconceived notion, sad really, akin to what lawyers do in trying to manipulate a court case, and Joe is a lawyer, and probably a decent one but a pathetic pundit and probably for the same reason. Yes, he is every inch a lawyer. The sad thing is there is a good, incisive pundit in Brolly, who is essentially held prisoner by the 'character' that he feels bound to play. Other pundits try to be fair, but Brolly always has an agenda.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 28, 2015 17:07:14 GMT
Commiserations to Kerry and all Kerry posters here, it just wasn't your day. As has been shown again and again over the last 25 years, defending the title is almost impossible. On top of that you had the fact that your semi-final became such a huge event and the winning of it a big celebration, it's not at all surprising that Kerry were flat. As for Brolly, anything for a wind-up that chap. We all know the evidence of Gooch Cooper's achievements. One year back from one of the worst injuries of any player, at the age of 32, and on a day when most of his team didn't really perform, and possession was like hen's teeth for Kerry forwards, and Brolly is picking on him. Perversely his love-in with Kieran Donaghy makes no sense to me, I think in many respects Donaghy let Kerry down this year, other than in one of the Cork games, with that goal. His comments before the match about ROC & "yer man who kicked the free at the end" (in 2011) were of no help to Kerry's cause or his own preparation. But he has done plenty on other days/in other years so owes nobody anything. A word for Kerry supporters I met after the match, to a man & woman incredibly fair and magnanimous, continuing a great tradition. Yous will certainly be back, afresh, and Colm Cooper will still have a significant role to play, maybe Tommy Walsh too with another year recovery and practice behind him. As for your formidable minor crop.............................better days ahead for sure! I think in hindsight it worked out well for us losing to Donegal last year, as I'm full sure Kerry would have beaten us in the final, and the lessons were learned for this year, and team was very fresh and hungry. Of course the Mayo games worked out perfectly. That said, this team should have been going for 3-in-a-row this year, and they still haven't managed to reach a final the year after winning one. If a Leinster team can emerge as challengers maybe the back door route might suit us next year............ Very gracious overall Rashers but you are harsh on Donaghy. He came back to the Kerry fold straight after an arduous club campaign, which showed he was taking nothing for granted. Fair enough, he didn't shoot the lights out, but Kerry are not always very clever about playing to his strengths. Donaghy also played a captain's part in encouraging other players, including Paul Geaney who he knew would likely displace him for the final.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 28, 2015 17:09:56 GMT
so....... You don't think its a good idea and it would not happen if he were living and working in Kerry....... so what conclusion do you draw from things if any. Take you time now. Mind your step. It takes a while to come down from the high moral ground.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 28, 2015 17:37:43 GMT
Fair play rashers, thoughtful and considered post
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 28, 2015 17:41:33 GMT
Commiserations to Kerry and all Kerry posters here, it just wasn't your day. As has been shown again and again over the last 25 years, defending the title is almost impossible. On top of that you had the fact that your semi-final became such a huge event and the winning of it a big celebration, it's not at all surprising that Kerry were flat. As for Brolly, anything for a wind-up that chap. We all know the evidence of Gooch Cooper's achievements. One year back from one of the worst injuries of any player, at the age of 32, and on a day when most of his team didn't really perform, and possession was like hen's teeth for Kerry forwards, and Brolly is picking on him. Perversely his love-in with Kieran Donaghy makes no sense to me, I think in many respects Donaghy let Kerry down this year, other than in one of the Cork games, with that goal. His comments before the match about ROC & "yer man who kicked the free at the end" (in 2011) were of no help to Kerry's cause or his own preparation. But he has done plenty on other days/in other years so owes nobody anything. A word for Kerry supporters I met after the match, to a man & woman incredibly fair and magnanimous, continuing a great tradition. Yous will certainly be back, afresh, and Colm Cooper will still have a significant role to play, maybe Tommy Walsh too with another year recovery and practice behind him. As for your formidable minor crop.............................better days ahead for sure! I think in hindsight it worked out well for us losing to Donegal last year, as I'm full sure Kerry would have beaten us in the final, and the lessons were learned for this year, and team was very fresh and hungry. Of course the Mayo games worked out perfectly. That said, this team should have been going for 3-in-a-row this year, and they still haven't managed to reach a final the year after winning one. If a Leinster team can emerge as challengers maybe the back door route might suit us next year............ Very gracious overall Rashers but you are harsh on Donaghy. He came back to the Kerry fold straight after an arduous club campaign, which showed he was taking nothing for granted. Fair enough, he didn't shoot the lights out, but Kerry are not always very clever about playing to his strengths. Donaghy also played a captain's part in encouraging other players, including Paul Geaney who he knew would likely displace him for the final. Well said, nail on head.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 28, 2015 18:01:04 GMT
so....... You don't think its a good idea and it would not happen if he were living and working in Kerry....... so what conclusion do you draw from things if any. Take you time now. Mind your step. It takes a while to come down from the high moral ground. I tell you what, avoiding your question for now, I wouldn't be happy with a Cork man reffing the final: whether he lived in Kerry or not.
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