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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 29, 2015 21:26:36 GMT
rashers do you have a problem with any of these actions by McMahon. While skybluezone was hightly critical of the boot to Colms head in 2013, you said nothing. Do you condemn or condone these cowardly actions against opponents. I condemn them but they are not as bad as some want to make out. I live in Ballymun and support the club but that doesn't make any odds. I think all of those incidents are marginal and it's not "whataboutery", the fact is that McMahon has become a handy scapegoat for all the ills of the game
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 29, 2015 21:39:21 GMT
He personifies a lot of the ills of the game. He has plenty of talent but consistently feels the need to act the scrote. He would be a serious contender for player of the year if not for his indisgressions...
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 29, 2015 21:44:03 GMT
I think I fairness we have discussed Philly to death. Say what you like about him but he's a damn good footballer. I suppose he's the player the opposition love to hate and his own supporters love. A dublin version of Paul galvin as it were really.
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Post by fitz on Sept 29, 2015 21:46:18 GMT
rashers do you have a problem with any of these actions by McMahon. While skybluezone was hightly critical of the boot to Colms head in 2013, you said nothing. Do you condemn or condone these cowardly actions against opponents. I condemn them but they are not as bad as some want to make out. I live in Ballymun and support the club but that doesn't make any odds. I think all of those incidents are marginal and it's not "whataboutery", the fact is that McMahon has become a handy scapegoat for all the ills of the game I don't think that's accurate Rashers. They are that bad, no making out required imo. I think it is the belief not that he be the scapegoat but that he take responsibility for the ills of HIS game and do something about it. Jim Gavin could help him considerably here.
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Post by southward on Sept 29, 2015 21:49:36 GMT
I think I fairness we have discussed Philly to death. Say what you like about him but he's a damn good footballer. I suppose he's the player the opposition love to hate and his own supporters love. A dublin version of Paul galvin as it were really.I don't remember PG biting anyone, or eye-gouging anyone, or stamping on anyone's head for that matter. All of the above completely unprovoked, I might add.
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Post by fitz on Sept 29, 2015 21:50:54 GMT
I think I fairness we have discussed Philly to death. Say what you like about him but he's a damn good footballer. I suppose he's the player the opposition love to hate and his own supporters love. A dublin version of Paul galvin as it were really. I see the point, but I think the comparison is skewed. I wouldn't be adoring any player who bites and gouges eyes
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 29, 2015 22:01:01 GMT
I think I fairness we have discussed Philly to death. Say what you like about him but he's a damn good footballer. I suppose he's the player the opposition love to hate and his own supporters love. A dublin version of Paul galvin as it were really.I don't remember PG biting anyone, or eye-gouging anyone, or stamping on anyone's head for that matter. All of the above completely unprovoked, I might add. He fish hooked cadogan above in cork in a replay game I think it was, did The same when he was sent off in a league game in pairs ui rinn. Broke some young fellas jaw in a North Kerry match. I'm not trying to justify Philly I'm just saying you are never going to convince a dub that he's a dirty player. The same way in Gavin's career a lot of people outside of Kerry saw him as a bit of a loose canon with a short fuse. The Kerry supporters saw him as a necessary warrior and felt he was more sinned against than sinner. Duns feels the same about Philly.
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Post by fitz on Sept 29, 2015 22:58:45 GMT
I don't remember PG biting anyone, or eye-gouging anyone, or stamping on anyone's head for that matter. All of the above completely unprovoked, I might add. He fish hooked cadogan above in cork in a replay game I think it was, did The same when he was sent off in a league game in pairs ui rinn. Broke some young fellas jaw in a North Kerry match. I'm not trying to justify Philly I'm just saying you are never going to convince a dub that he's a dirty player. The same way in Gavin's career a lot of people outside of Kerry saw him as a bit of a loose canon with a short fuse. The Kerry supporters saw him as a necessary warrior and felt he was more sinned against than sinner. Duns feels the same about Philly. The way both sets of supporters feel about both players may well be very similar, but the incidents with Galvin had provocation/conflict involved. Cadogan got Galvin sent off in that league match in Rinn. The fish hook was bad and he got done for that but Cadogan was screaming in his face. My point is there was an external trigger, the reaction was totally unacceptable without question. The jaw break I didn't witness. The information I heard was that a young lad was trying to make a name for himself. Again the action was reprehensible, but I 've heard provocation was strong. I can't stand over that though, either way the action can't be justified. In two of three cases there is strong evidence pointing that the incidents would not have happened without provocation, the other I don't know In McMahon's three cases highlighted one the URLs the actions are dependent on only one party, him. There's a lot of difference between Galvin and McMahon for those reasons. Galvin has paid rightly and plenty for his offences.We're focusing on McMahon 1) Because Dublin have played in the last three matches of this year's Championship -> the focus 2) He's been involved in controversial incidents in all three games. -> the pattern 3) The type of behaviour he's indulging in -> the type of offence 4) The contempt/disdain and indifference he is showing despite the evidence on tape -> the attitude
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 29, 2015 23:28:39 GMT
And about the missed goal chances. But to be fair it was very small stuff and they should not be mentioned in the same company as the other two world class whingers. Ha, again I blamed ourselves for that .. Surely ye cant call blaming ourselves whinging can ye lol No you are right. If blaming ourselves counts as whinging we have been whinging since the final. But we haven't!
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Post by dano on Sept 29, 2015 23:28:47 GMT
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Post by stevieq on Sept 30, 2015 6:11:19 GMT
dano could you answer this simple straightforward question please. Do you think that the GAA should have a policy whereby a ref isn't living and working in one of the competing counties?
(A simple yes or no will do) Are there a couple more Barristers appearing on the forum besides Brolly??
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 30, 2015 6:42:20 GMT
He fish hooked cadogan above in cork in a replay game I think it was, did The same when he was sent off in a league game in pairs ui rinn. Broke some young fellas jaw in a North Kerry match. I'm not trying to justify Philly I'm just saying you are never going to convince a dub that he's a dirty player. The same way in Gavin's career a lot of people outside of Kerry saw him as a bit of a loose canon with a short fuse. The Kerry supporters saw him as a necessary warrior and felt he was more sinned against than sinner. Duns feels the same about Philly. The way both sets of supporters feel about both players may well be very similar, but the incidents with Galvin had provocation/conflict involved. Cadogan got Galvin sent off in that league match in Rinn. The fish hook was bad and he got done for that but Cadogan was screaming in his face. My point is there was an external trigger, the reaction was totally unacceptable without question. The jaw break I didn't witness. The information I heard was that a young lad was trying to make a name for himself. Again the action was reprehensible, but I 've heard provocation was strong. I can't stand over that though, either way the action can't be justified. In two of three cases there is strong evidence pointing that the incidents would not have happened without provocation, the other I don't know In McMahon's three cases highlighted one the URLs the actions are dependent on only one party, him. There's a lot of difference between Galvin and McMahon for those reasons. Galvin has paid rightly and plenty for his offences.We're focusing on McMahon 1) Because Dublin have played in the last three matches of this year's Championship -> the focus 2) He's been involved in controversial incidents in all three games. -> the pattern 3) The type of behaviour he's indulging in -> the type of offence 4) The contempt/disdain and indifference he is showing despite the evidence on tape -> the attitude To be honest I don't think the whole I was provoked thing with galvin washes. Everyone gets provoked in all walks of live. We are straying from my point. The dubs see Philly probably the same as we saw galvin. Can step out of line from time to time but don't care as long as he does the business on the pitch
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2015 7:14:52 GMT
Comment: Attention-seeking Joe Brolly wide of mark about Gooch Colm Parkinson PUBLISHED 30/09/2015
I was disappointed to see Joe Brolly have a needless pop at Gooch again in the Sunday Independent.
There is no doubt that, despite his intelligence, Joe has fallen into the trap of headline addiction. Or else he has an acute case of pundit attention deficit disorder (PADD). Joe is off our television screens now and in need of attention. He points to games Colm Cooper didn't play well in, sometimes conveniently narrowing it down to second halves, because Gooch happened to be excellent in the first. He leaves out big games Gooch played well in and points to his performances in games his team lost. Joe should know better than anyone that a corner-forward is very dependent on the supply of ball he receives. If your team goes out of a game, it is difficult to perform let alone be a leader from corner-forward.
Amazingly, and this is hard to believe, in his 'Gaelic Life' column last week he wrote this about his two favourite players: "Say nowadays there is a truly great player on a team. Like Michael Murphy or Aidan O'Shea. He will immediately (unless you're playing Mayo), be double- and treble-marked. Therefore, his statistics will suffer." So Murphy and O'Shea get a pass because they were double- and treble-marked but Gooch is slated. Gooch is double-marked, with a sweeper standing in front of him, in most games he plays, especially in the games against Tyrone that Joe mentioned. He happened to play well - in the second half would you believe - against Tyrone this year but Joe left that one off his list. If I wanted to do a hatchet job on Michael Murphy, I'd point to last year's All-Ireland final, Ulster finals against Monaghan or the Tyrone game this year and say he doesn't do it on the big occasion when closely marked. But that's obviously nonsense and I don't have PADD. Gooch was poor in the All Ireland final for the following reasons - Philly McMahon is a great player, attacking corner-backs are a bloody nightmare to mark, Cian O'Sullivan is a great player and sweeper, it was a horrible day for a forward and Dublin dominated the game. Because Gooch's movement is conservative it can appear like he's not trying when his team is behind. It is all about patience and economy of movement for him in order to get on the end of a move close to goal. When I played in the full-forward line I didn't have the patience for that style, nor was my finishing good enough. I needed to show out in front of my man and get on the ball outside scoring range. It's just a different style. Joe, of course, should understand all of this. Maybe he does, or maybe his PADD is worse than we thought.
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Post by glengael on Sept 30, 2015 8:16:59 GMT
Comment: Attention-seeking Joe Brolly wide of mark about Gooch Colm Parkinson PUBLISHED 30/09/2015 I was disappointed to see Joe Brolly have a needless pop at Gooch again in the Sunday Independent. There is no doubt that, despite his intelligence, Joe has fallen into the trap of headline addiction. Or else he has an acute case of pundit attention deficit disorder (PADD). Joe is off our television screens now and in need of attention. He points to games Colm Cooper didn't play well in, sometimes conveniently narrowing it down to second halves, because Gooch happened to be excellent in the first. He leaves out big games Gooch played well in and points to his performances in games his team lost. Joe should know better than anyone that a corner-forward is very dependent on the supply of ball he receives. If your team goes out of a game, it is difficult to perform let alone be a leader from corner-forward. Amazingly, and this is hard to believe, in his 'Gaelic Life' column last week he wrote this about his two favourite players: "Say nowadays there is a truly great player on a team. Like Michael Murphy or Aidan O'Shea. He will immediately (unless you're playing Mayo), be double- and treble-marked. Therefore, his statistics will suffer." So Murphy and O'Shea get a pass because they were double- and treble-marked but Gooch is slated. Gooch is double-marked, with a sweeper standing in front of him, in most games he plays, especially in the games against Tyrone that Joe mentioned. He happened to play well - in the second half would you believe - against Tyrone this year but Joe left that one off his list. If I wanted to do a hatchet job on Michael Murphy, I'd point to last year's All-Ireland final, Ulster finals against Monaghan or the Tyrone game this year and say he doesn't do it on the big occasion when closely marked. But that's obviously nonsense and I don't have PADD. Gooch was poor in the All Ireland final for the following reasons - Philly McMahon is a great player, attacking corner-backs are a bloody nightmare to mark, Cian O'Sullivan is a great player and sweeper, it was a horrible day for a forward and Dublin dominated the game. Because Gooch's movement is conservative it can appear like he's not trying when his team is behind. It is all about patience and economy of movement for him in order to get on the end of a move close to goal. When I played in the full-forward line I didn't have the patience for that style, nor was my finishing good enough. I needed to show out in front of my man and get on the ball outside scoring range. It's just a different style. Joe, of course, should understand all of this. Maybe he does, or maybe his PADD is worse than we thought. Irish Independent The phrase, it takes one to know one, comes to mind for some reason....... If I had good Irish I'd write that properly.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2015 8:24:39 GMT
Still, there is a glaring contradiction in Brolly's comment as highlighted by Woolly. Woolly has been writing with a way more sense than Brolly in the media this summer.
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Post by Clogher on Sept 30, 2015 8:59:04 GMT
Aithnionn ciarog ciarog eile, glengael I think!!
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Post by fitz on Sept 30, 2015 9:39:26 GMT
The way both sets of supporters feel about both players may well be very similar, but the incidents with Galvin had provocation/conflict involved. Cadogan got Galvin sent off in that league match in Rinn. The fish hook was bad and he got done for that but Cadogan was screaming in his face. My point is there was an external trigger, the reaction was totally unacceptable without question. The jaw break I didn't witness. The information I heard was that a young lad was trying to make a name for himself. Again the action was reprehensible, but I 've heard provocation was strong. I can't stand over that though, either way the action can't be justified. In two of three cases there is strong evidence pointing that the incidents would not have happened without provocation, the other I don't know In McMahon's three cases highlighted one the URLs the actions are dependent on only one party, him. There's a lot of difference between Galvin and McMahon for those reasons. Galvin has paid rightly and plenty for his offences.We're focusing on McMahon 1) Because Dublin have played in the last three matches of this year's Championship -> the focus 2) He's been involved in controversial incidents in all three games. -> the pattern 3) The type of behaviour he's indulging in -> the type of offence 4) The contempt/disdain and indifference he is showing despite the evidence on tape -> the attitude To be honest I don't think the whole I was provoked thing with galvin washes. Everyone gets provoked in all walks of live. We are straying from my point. The dubs see Philly probably the same as we saw galvin. Can step out of line from time to time but don't care as long as he does the business on the pitch I take your point, I don't agree with it, but there's no more to really thrash out, so agree to disagree papers on table?
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Post by fitz on Sept 30, 2015 9:59:36 GMT
Comment: Attention-seeking Joe Brolly wide of mark about Gooch Colm Parkinson PUBLISHED 30/09/2015 I was disappointed to see Joe Brolly have a needless pop at Gooch again in the Sunday Independent. There is no doubt that, despite his intelligence, Joe has fallen into the trap of headline addiction. Or else he has an acute case of pundit attention deficit disorder (PADD). Joe is off our television screens now and in need of attention. He points to games Colm Cooper didn't play well in, sometimes conveniently narrowing it down to second halves, because Gooch happened to be excellent in the first. He leaves out big games Gooch played well in and points to his performances in games his team lost. Joe should know better than anyone that a corner-forward is very dependent on the supply of ball he receives. If your team goes out of a game, it is difficult to perform let alone be a leader from corner-forward. Amazingly, and this is hard to believe, in his 'Gaelic Life' column last week he wrote this about his two favourite players: "Say nowadays there is a truly great player on a team. Like Michael Murphy or Aidan O'Shea. He will immediately (unless you're playing Mayo), be double- and treble-marked. Therefore, his statistics will suffer." So Murphy and O'Shea get a pass because they were double- and treble-marked but Gooch is slated. Gooch is double-marked, with a sweeper standing in front of him, in most games he plays, especially in the games against Tyrone that Joe mentioned. He happened to play well - in the second half would you believe - against Tyrone this year but Joe left that one off his list. If I wanted to do a hatchet job on Michael Murphy, I'd point to last year's All-Ireland final, Ulster finals against Monaghan or the Tyrone game this year and say he doesn't do it on the big occasion when closely marked. But that's obviously nonsense and I don't have PADD. Gooch was poor in the All Ireland final for the following reasons - Philly McMahon is a great player, attacking corner-backs are a bloody nightmare to mark, Cian O'Sullivan is a great player and sweeper, it was a horrible day for a forward and Dublin dominated the game. Because Gooch's movement is conservative it can appear like he's not trying when his team is behind. It is all about patience and economy of movement for him in order to get on the end of a move close to goal. When I played in the full-forward line I didn't have the patience for that style, nor was my finishing good enough. I needed to show out in front of my man and get on the ball outside scoring range. It's just a different style. Joe, of course, should understand all of this. Maybe he does, or maybe his PADD is worse than we thought. Irish Independent The phrase, it takes one to know one, comes to mind for some reason....... If I had good Irish I'd write that properly. It's still great that Parkinson wrote that piece
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Post by fg on Sept 30, 2015 10:44:39 GMT
I think I fairness we have discussed Philly to death. Say what you like about him but he's a damn good footballer. I suppose he's the player the opposition love to hate and his own supporters love. A dublin version of Paul galvin as it were really. That's all good and dandy and anyone in the know will be aware of pauls indiscretions and I mean those that did not hit the headlines with in our fair county but he never bit anyone or eye gouged anyone so lets get a bit real here.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 30, 2015 12:51:52 GMT
Ah you're just making stuff up now ... BTW, when you say Tyrone, who exactly do you mean .. Tyroneperson & myself must be the only 2 on here and I dont remember us whinging much at all really .. I certainly might have blamed "ourselves" for the missed goals etc.. but I sure didnt go on and on about the ref or anything like that ..... Did someone else? There's plenty of whinging goes on around here without me adding to it ... I only whinge about TSG & Media etc.. not the same thing at all Sean cavanagh is certainly whinging here about the game. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.htmlWell do you not think he has some valid points? ....
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Post by Dermot on Sept 30, 2015 12:54:48 GMT
I thought the Tyrone posters on here were very gracious in defeat. . Cheers Dano, ... try telling that to Ciarraíabu though who seems to think otherwise .. or is it just wishful thinking on his part
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Post by Dermot on Sept 30, 2015 13:16:39 GMT
rashers do you have a problem with any of these actions by McMahon. While skybluezone was hightly critical of the boot to Colms head in 2013, you said nothing. Do you condemn or condone these cowardly actions against opponents. I condemn them but they are not as bad as some want to make out. I live in Ballymun and support the club but that doesn't make any odds. I think all of those incidents are marginal and it's not "whataboutery", the fact is that McMahon has become a handy scapegoat for all the ills of the game Rashers, please dont be jumping on the bandwagon "again" if Tyrone bashing rears its ugly head again ... Dont think I can take you seriously after this !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 14:47:35 GMT
Well do you not think he has some valid points? .... On the McCann incident yes, I would disagree with his view of the penalty claim. Do you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 14:51:28 GMT
I thought the Tyrone posters on here were very gracious in defeat. . Cheers Dano, ... try telling that to Ciarraíabu though who seems to think otherwise .. or is it just wishful thinking on his part I gave an example of Cavanagh whinging specifically in relation to the Kerry game. I have more than proved my original point. I don't particularly care what you think about the game, anymore than other random internet posters.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 30, 2015 18:48:24 GMT
dano could you answer this simple straightforward question please. Do you think that the GAA should have a policy whereby a ref isn't living and working in one of the competing counties?
(A simple yes or no will do) Dano answered NO to this question and its fair to say that we take opposing views on this issue.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 30, 2015 18:50:52 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 30, 2015 18:54:43 GMT
rashers do you have a problem with any of these actions by McMahon. While skybluezone was hightly critical of the boot to Colms head in 2013, you said nothing. Do you condemn or condone these cowardly actions against opponents. I condemn them but they are not as bad as some want to make out. I live in Ballymun and support the club but that doesn't make any odds. I think all of those incidents are marginal and it's not "whataboutery", the fact is that McMahon has become a handy scapegoat for all the ills of the game marginal!! FFS Rashers you have no credibility after that statement. His carryon is not unlike that of Tadhg Kennelly in 2009.... his portraying himself as a hardman and playing the media. Here is what you had to say then.......... kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/3238/kennelly-interview-aus-time-ireland?page=2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 19:29:07 GMT
I think Philly would be best keeping a low profile but he has a business to promote which I would not blame him for. Overall though my issue with Philly is not his media interviews.
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Post by townend on Sept 30, 2015 20:08:42 GMT
townend. I deleted your post. We cant be posting rumours. fair enough but lets not buried our heads in the sand ??
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 30, 2015 20:40:50 GMT
Jaysus, half the stuff on here is rumours anyway. I am really curious now.
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