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Post by onlykerry on Nov 12, 2015 9:57:03 GMT
Club championship games in the big intercounty championship windows of preparation isn't going to happen either. There lies the nub of the problem - 5 months to play the inter county championship with everything on hold while this plays out. The month of July is taken up with provincial finals with the excuse we want to see them all so they take three weekends. The root of the problem is the intercounty schedule and this needs to be sorted first - the intercounty calendar is sequential in nature with the provincial finals spread out over three weekends and the quarter finals and semi's also spread out over successive weekends. Condense the intercounty schedule with all provincial finals played the same weekend, another for the QF's and a third for the SF's and this will free up a huge amount of time for club fixtures plus give a proper closed season for player welfare.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 12, 2015 10:24:33 GMT
Club championship games in the big intercounty championship windows of preparation isn't going to happen either. There lies the nub of the problem - 5 months to play the inter county championship with everything on hold while this plays out. The month of July is taken up with provincial finals with the excuse we want to see them all so they take three weekends. The root of the problem is the intercounty schedule and this needs to be sorted first - the intercounty calendar is sequential in nature with the provincial finals spread out over three weekends and the quarter finals and semi's also spread out over successive weekends. Condense the intercounty schedule with all provincial finals played the same weekend, another for the QF's and a third for the SF's and this will free up a huge amount of time for club fixtures plus give a proper closed season for player welfare. I think the uneven provincial groupings are the real issue here. Four regional groups of eight with all games played to an absolute conclusion on the day gives set in stone dates all through the calendar year. I.e. it creates a level playing field for all counties in term of rest, recover and preparation windows. You'll have a far greater chance of creating club championship windows during the summer in this environment. I don't believe it is possible to achieve a streamlined fixtures schedule in the current climate of haphazard provincial scheduling. County managers are 100% correct to "wrap their players in cotton wool" in an uneven playing field. Going back to the clubs is detrimental to preparation at certain critical times of year.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2015 8:19:28 GMT
Killarney Legion ruling gets green light from Croke Park Kerry club’s nomination to join provincial competition accepted by Munster Council
Seán Moran Munster Council’s controversial decision to accept Killarney’s Legion’s nomination to play the Munster club semi-final against Nemo Rangers was authorised by Croke Park. Difficulties arose because the Kerry county championship has not yet concluded and Legion have been nominated by the county despite having a county final replay against South Kerry scheduled for next weekend. Yet according to the GAA’s Official Guide, Rule 6.24: “If a county championship winning team is ineligible, the county committee concerned shall nominate an eligible club of the appropriate championship status to represent it.
“Nominations in any other circumstances are not allowed. “In the event of a county or provincial championship not being completed, the respective provincial or All-Ireland Championship shall continue without a representative of the county or province concerned.” Kerry’s by-laws, however, permit the winner of a separate club championship – this year, Dingle – to enter the Munster championship if the county title is won by a divisional team. In other circumstances, the club that has progressed farthest in the county championship is allowed to proceed. This appears to establish a fairly clear conflict between the GAA’s rule book and a county by-law but the matter arose previously when Brosna faced Dromid Pearses in the 2014 junior county final. The latter had been suspended from provincial activity as a result of the controversial All-Ireland semi-final against Derrytresk in 2012 and Kerry wanted to nominate Brosna, as Dromid wouldn’t be eligible. Clarification was sought from Croke Park and the nomination was allowed. Similarly in this case, the GAA at national level was approached and asked could Legion be nominated given that South Kerry would not be eligible as a divisional team. Consistent Sources in both Croke Park and Munster confirmed that the decision to admit Legion had been authorised at national level. It was also stated that county by-laws have to be consistent with the Official Guide and that the relevant ones in Kerry are considered to be so. The action taken by Munster Council in accepting Legion’s nomination was considered to be the more desirable course, as it was felt that the club could challenge at the DRA any attempt to exclude them. A Munster Council source did accept that should Legion win at the weekend, the decision to admit the Killarney club might well be challenged by either Nemo or whichever of Clonmel or Milltown Malbay wins the other semi-final.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 17, 2015 15:10:01 GMT
Now that we can get back to domestic bliss, how do people see the replay of the county final going?
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Post by homerj on Nov 18, 2015 0:06:07 GMT
those moaning about very little being played during the summer and that players are being denied championship football seem to be ignoring the fact that in June, July and August a huge portion of people are away on holidays, with a sizeable chunk of students away for the entire summer.
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Post by interested on Nov 18, 2015 9:53:16 GMT
those moaning about very little being played during the summer and that players are being denied championship football seem to be ignoring the fact that in June, July and August a huge portion of people are away on holidays, with a sizeable chunk of students away for the entire summer.
1. Not all club players are students ! 2. Maybe they would stay at home if guaranteed regular football - league and championship 3. Should those who stay be ignored ?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 10:00:06 GMT
those moaning about very little being played during the summer and that players are being denied championship football seem to be ignoring the fact that in June, July and August a huge portion of people are away on holidays, with a sizeable chunk of students away for the entire summer.
1. Not all club players are students ! 2. Maybe they would stay at home if guaranteed regular football - league and championship 3. Should those who stay be ignored ?
Would the clubs play mid summer championship football without their third level students who are over seas for the summer?
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Post by interested on Nov 18, 2015 12:27:55 GMT
1. Not all club players are students ! 2. Maybe they would stay at home if guaranteed regular football - league and championship 3. Should those who stay be ignored ?
Would the clubs play mid summer championship football without their third level students who are over seas for the summer?
County championship scheduled for week after Munster final every year, postponed this year due to replay so I presume clubs would have to play without them if they were away.
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Post by lár na páirce on Nov 18, 2015 13:00:57 GMT
Whatever about county championship be played during the summer the county league should be played throughout,There was approx.70 players who transferred to the U.S this summer before coming home,That is a whopping 7% of the club player population in the senior county leagues,Add in the 6% that adds up the Senior & Minor inter county panels.
This means we are grounding a staggering 87% of our top footballers in this county to accommodate a tiny percentage who believe it or not are actually playing football during this period !!!
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 13:04:49 GMT
It is debatable if the clubs would play multiple championships rounds during the summer without their overseas students if they were fixed?
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Post by buck02 on Nov 18, 2015 15:51:08 GMT
those moaning about very little being played during the summer and that players are being denied championship football seem to be ignoring the fact that in June, July and August a huge portion of people are away on holidays, with a sizeable chunk of students away for the entire summer. The first two weeks in August have been "club free" weeks in Kerry for the last few years to allow players to arrange holidays in this period. Unfortunately this does not take into account that: The first two weeks in August are the most expensive time to go on holidays and Its the busiest two weeks of the tourist season in Kerry, a sector where a lot of players happen to work in
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2015 16:55:30 GMT
It is debatable if the clubs would play multiple championships rounds during the summer without their overseas students if they were fixed? To play the devil's advocate... make the fixtures and see what happens.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 17:51:15 GMT
It is debatable if the clubs would play multiple championships rounds during the summer without their overseas students if they were fixed? To play the devil's advocate... make the fixtures and see what happens. Your prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam next summer?
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Post by lár na páirce on Nov 18, 2015 17:54:29 GMT
To play the devil's advocate... make the fixtures and see what happens. Your prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam next summer? Doesn't seem to harm Kilkenny in any way,They play a round of county championship between the All Ireland semi and final !!
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 18:07:39 GMT
Your prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam next summer? Doesn't seem to harm Kilkenny in any way,They play a round of county championship between the All Ireland semi and final !! They'd need to with a bye into the Leinster semi final and bye into the All-Ireland semi final in their little fish bowl.
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Post by lár na páirce on Nov 18, 2015 18:25:40 GMT
Doesn't seem to harm Kilkenny in any way,They play a round of county championship between the All Ireland semi and final !! They'd need to with a bye into the Leinster semi final and bye into the All-Ireland semi final in their little fish bowl. I heard plenty people crying over our 4 week break until the final
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2015 18:59:27 GMT
To play the devil's advocate... make the fixtures and see what happens. Your prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam next summer? What has that got to do with students thar lear???
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 19:18:44 GMT
Your prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam next summer? What has that got to do with students thar lear??? Nothing but it is part of the conundrum!!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2015 20:18:59 GMT
What has that got to do with students thar lear??? Nothing but it is part of the conundrum!!! No you were the one going on about students. Make the fixtures, if the students are away the students are away. You are suggesting that the clubs can stop the county board just by saying, nah, we won't play.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 21:06:21 GMT
Nothing but it is part of the conundrum!!! N o you were the one going on about students. Make the fixtures, if the students are away the students are away. You are suggesting that the clubs can stop the county board just by saying, nah, we won't play. Where I was going on about the students? I asked would the clubs play without them. You said make the fixtures. I said were you prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam. I said the mix was all part of the conundrum. I've no idea what you are ranting on about.
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Post by mossie on Nov 18, 2015 21:29:32 GMT
Doesn't seem to harm Kilkenny in any way,They play a round of county championship between the All Ireland semi and final !! They'd need to with a bye into the Leinster semi final and bye into the All-Ireland semi final in their little fish bowl. ah here now - in the last 4\5 years Leinster senior hurling has had 3 different winners in Dublin, Galway and Kilkenny. Wexford are in there as well having won the last 3 leinster under 21s. I regret to say Munster senior football is a far smaller fish bowl than Leinster hurling!!!
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Post by mossie on Nov 18, 2015 21:36:50 GMT
those moaning about very little being played during the summer and that players are being denied championship football seem to be ignoring the fact that in June, July and August a huge portion of people are away on holidays, with a sizeable chunk of students away for the entire summer. The first two weeks in August have been "club free" weeks in Kerry for the last few years to allow players to arrange holidays in this period. Unfortunately this does not take into account that: The first two weeks in August are the most expensive time to go on holidays and Its the busiest two weeks of the tourist season in Kerry, a sector where a lot of players happen to work in not entirely club free. The county senior hurling championship tends to be played around this time. Ballyduff, Lixnaw\Finuge, St Brendans\Ardfert all dual clubs. Some Causeway\Kilmoyley hurlers play football with Ardfert, a lot of Crotta hurlers play football with Senans. I agree with the view though that some clubs , divisional teams are not too bothered about a lack of championship games in the summer. They may not admit they are secretly happy about it but it allows them gather up students that are away on J1s or just away on a jolly up in Ibiza, Crete etc for a fortnight!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2015 21:40:00 GMT
N o you were the one going on about students. Make the fixtures, if the students are away the students are away. You are suggesting that the clubs can stop the county board just by saying, nah, we won't play. Where I was going on about the students? I asked would the clubs play without them. You said make the fixtures. I said were you prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam. I said the mix was all part of the conundrum. I've no idea what you are ranting on about. You were going on about students right here: It is debatable if the clubs would play multiple championships rounds during the summer without their overseas students if they were fixed? I'll ask again: are you suggesting that the clubs can stop the county board just by saying, nah, we won't play? Do the clubs have that kind of power. This is what I am talking about and all I am talking about.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 21:48:40 GMT
Where I was going on about the students? I asked would the clubs play without them. You said make the fixtures. I said were you prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam. I said the mix was all part of the conundrum. I've no idea what you are ranting on about. You were going on about students right here: It is debatable if the clubs would play multiple championships rounds during the summer without their overseas students if they were fixed ? I'll ask again: are you suggesting that the clubs can stop the county board just by saying, nah, we won't play? Do the clubs have that kind of power. This is what I am talking about and all I am talking about. Can you not see the question mark? Maybe you should answer your own question?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 21:52:09 GMT
They'd need to with a bye into the Leinster semi final and bye into the All-Ireland semi final in their little fish bowl. ah here now - in the last 4\5 years Leinster senior hurling has had 3 different winners in Dublin, Galway and Kilkenny. Wexford are in there as well having won the last 3 leinster under 21s. I regret to say Munster senior football is a far smaller fish bowl than Leinster hurling!!! There is no comparison between the competitiveness of the All-Ireland Hurling championship and the All-Ireland Football championship at the moment.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2015 21:59:41 GMT
You were going on about students right here: I'll ask again: are you suggesting that the clubs can stop the county board just by saying, nah, we won't play? Do the clubs have that kind of power. This is what I am talking about and all I am talking about. Can you not see the question mark? Maybe you should answer your own question? OK well it is debatable but lots of things are I suppose. I don't think the clubs can stop more summer fixtures on the basis of missing students.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2015 22:10:28 GMT
Can you not see the question mark? Maybe you should answer your own question? OK well it is debatable but lots of things are I suppose. I don't think the clubs can stop more summer fixtures on the basis of missing students. The students are only part of the debate. I'm saying the county board won't fix club championship games in the big Croke Park championships windows and as an aside, this suits the clubs, despite all the whining, who have students over seas during the summer, during this time of the year when fixtures build up.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Nov 19, 2015 16:11:28 GMT
Some players leave for an american summer BECAUSE there is no meaningful football played here over the summer. Some of them would prefer to stay and play championship football here over the summer months.
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Post by lár na páirce on Nov 19, 2015 16:33:54 GMT
Some players leave for an american summer BECAUSE there is no meaningful football played here over the summer. Some of them would prefer to stay and play championship football here over the summer months. The problem is there is 3 games played in July,August & September if there was 2 more county league games played in that window all club players would be happy. That still leaves 7 weeks free for holidays etc.. in the height of the summer. What kills teams is they have shag all games between July & when Kerry exit the championship and are then expected to go straight into county championship,That is totally unfair on players
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Post by shaggy04 on Nov 19, 2015 21:01:10 GMT
To play the devil's advocate... make the fixtures and see what happens. Your prepared to compromise Kerry's chances of winning Sam next summer? Would it have compromised our chances of beating Kildare if there was a round of county championship after the Munster final replay
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