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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 11, 2015 14:09:22 GMT
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Post by donegalman on Jul 11, 2015 15:14:43 GMT
It looks like tipp are back on the saddle today. They will be interesting to watch in the next round. Would like to see them get into the last 8.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 15, 2015 9:59:35 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2015 22:02:29 GMT
I find Jimmy McGuinness' pieces very good.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 16, 2015 7:54:52 GMT
There should be a league of the top ATM managers, winners being who made the most money versus the shortest stays Nice article by Mr Quirke,
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Post by southward on Jul 20, 2015 18:58:19 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 22, 2015 11:43:58 GMT
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Post by mandad on Jul 22, 2015 14:03:19 GMT
Can you have a 1 man revolution? Programme for the Munster final cost €5 and €4 for the replay. If we take it that 1 of every 3 supporters buys a programme at GAA matches then close to €100k was taken in over the two games in Killarney. People buy these programmes so that, in the first instance, they can have access to reliable and up-to-date information. Publishing the wrong or so called 'dummy' teams represents the ultimate in sophisticated planning for some managers. I am not unsympathetic to the situation where a player's availability arises for one reason or another, but in most cases it’s just the requirement of a manager to be 'clever' and maybe separate him from his opposite number. Some of these clowns are being propelled by the momentum of their own eejitry. You now know that you have met a really deep thinker who doesn't care a cat's meow for the paying public. Managers should behave with a little more integrity, which is after all your inner image of yourself.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 22, 2015 16:07:57 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 23, 2015 8:58:50 GMT
www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-untested-dublin-and-mayo-look-destined-for-final-four-clash-31396429.htmlThe quarter-finals cannot feature the provincial finalists and will, if at all possible, avoid repeat pairings from earlier rounds. Keeping that in mind, we are unable to state at this juncture the various pairings but all things being equal, we can have a good crack at the semi-finals. Right now it looks very much like Dublin against Mayo and Kerry against Monaghan. I base this prediction on the likely pairings for the quarter-finals and while there are various permutations involved there (too many to explore in detail), the likely scenario points to the emergence of a final four as stated above. Two of those teams, Mayo and Dublin, have sailed through their respective provincial championships and the statisticians in each squad have any number of records and averages to underline the excellence of those journeys. But they have been completely untested to date and yet that may not be a major problem because they are 'seeded' to meet each other at the semi-final stage. And so, two untested sides will face off at the penultimate fence. The winner here will be well ready for any opposition in the final. Of course Kerry and Monaghan had to face the possibility of defeat already and both came through in great style even if a little luck was attached. Monaghan, deserving winners over Donegal, will forever wonder how their opposition kicked so many (11 wides in total) poor efforts in the second half. In all they shot 17 wides and that led to their downfall. But Monaghan displayed enough courage, hunger and ability to be sure they will not wilt in Croke Park in 2015. Kerry, the current All-Ireland champions, can hardly be looking forward to facing them. Kerry negotiated the replay with relative ease, with Cork unable to repeat the exuberance of the drawn encounter. As we had predicted, this was down to a much better team selection by Éamonn Fitzmaurice and his selectors, better match-ups and a big focus on the Cork midfield. It is reasonable to suggest that Kerry have, in David Moran and Anthony Maher, the best midfield of any team left in the championship. Right now, I see Kerry getting to the final at a decent canter with the winners of Mayo and Dublin providing serious opposition. Kerry will know that whoever wins that semi-final will have serious reason to avenge recent defeats and so the final is building up nicely to be the game of the year. As a final should be. Roll on September. Two-tier system still presents brightest futureTHE standards demanded by the leading six or seven counties are now so much higher than the remaining counties that it is unlikely, due generally but not exclusively to population and resources, to be reached. And when you look down into the lower divisions, say the teams ranked around 20 all the way out to 32, the chances of any of those being competitive when facing a Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, etc … are remote. In fact they are nil. Because we are slow to tinker with the provincial formats (for instance, seeding is really only a feature of Munster and to a lesser extent Leinster) we can end up with provincial finals involving these powerhouses and teams from Division 3 and such like. This year Sligo and Westmeath made it through to their respective finals and good luck and well done to both. But the hammerings they received and the lack of competitive spectacle produced must surely have those charged with running these competitions wondering about proper structures. I remain convinced, that while all counties should be allowed compete for their provincial crown, there must be a ranked/seeded approach so that these mismatches are avoided. I suggested such a format a few months back and nothing in the interim has happened to change those suggestions. The All-Ireland championship series must have two tiers and the sooner the better. Otherwise, we’ll have more of these non-events which do nothing for either county in the final. Double standards in the Kingdom is no Kerry jokeMy Kerry friends took to Twitter in big numbers as soon as they heard a negative word spoken by me in relation to one of their own. The piece of analysis I used on The Sunday Game last weekend showed the superb Paul Geaney (left) sledging Michael Shields after he had scored the decisive goal. Of course, Tyrone and Ulster folk in general are quickly criticised by Kerry folk when they indulge in the Dark Arts and sledging is one of their favourites it appears. But double standards are quickly employed when it is their own that indulge. I read a piece by Michael Moynihan in The Examiner earlier this week where he writes about an odd contradiction wherein a county (Kerry), though priding itself in its native cunning (cute Kerry feckers, etc ...), get a little unsettled when any of us refer to this cuteness. It is well known they have a very strong voice in the media and are not slow to tog out their great stars of yesteryear when a narrative or lobby needs presenting. Kerry can’t have it both ways – if they are the guardians of the beautiful game, the aristocrats and the stylists then fine; but double standards eventually lead to no standards at all. I am reminded of course, that the only criticism that really truly hurts us is that which we deserve. They will know, as any of us who bother to inform ourselves know, that sledging is a black card offence and Paul Geaney was guilty of such just after scoring his excellent decider. Once again, we were let down by referees and umpires who failed to take any action. As the referee had also failed to issue a yellow card in the first half when he knew perfectly well that Michael Shields had dived. Consistency indeed.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 23, 2015 9:01:36 GMT
McStay is a wicked little gombeen.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 23, 2015 9:38:35 GMT
The referee couldn't give Geaney a black card ffs.
Apart from that... sometimes the truth hurts.
Oh and to say he hates Kerry... good... long may it last. It means we are doing something right!
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 23, 2015 10:13:10 GMT
The referee couldn't give Geaney a black card ffs. Apart from that... sometimes the truth hurts. Oh and to say he hates Kerry... good... long may it last. It means we are doing something right! Look back at the end of the drawn Semi-Final last year when Cillian O'Connor has just kicked a point. He "sledges" Fionn. Would McStay call that sledging or just friendly banter a la McManus and McGee.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 23, 2015 11:35:06 GMT
Sledging, has to be the most overblown GAA issue at the moment.
Now, the Davy Byrne incident and the fact that criminal assault get's swept under the carpet if it happens to be within the confines of a GAA pitch, that is a serious issue worth highlighting on the Sunday Game, if they really want to dish out lessons in morality.
Jim Gavin described the incident as 'Disappointing'. You might describe a wet day at the beach as disappointing, not a lad having his jaw broken and having to stay two night's in hospital. I feel for Byrne and his family, he was quite simply thrown under the bus, taking one for the team, so this whole thing can blow over and Dublin can focus on more important things than one of their players being viciously assaulted...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 13:58:26 GMT
The referee couldn't give Geaney a black card ffs. Apart from that... sometimes the truth hurts. Oh and to say he hates Kerry... good... long may it last. It means we are doing something right! Why couldn't he give Geaney a black card? It was a black card offence that he was guilty of in the moment he went out of his way to taunt Sheilds. This is the problem with football at the moment and we are all to blame... its time for it all to be a little more black and white and the rules to be applied in full, no grey areas etc. no over turning referees decisions! For instance when will "hand bags" as they say actually be punished as per the rule book... is that not a striking offence/attempt which is a red card? Donnacha O'Connor should have be sent marching for his lash out at Bryan in the drawn game when he won a free but this wasn't even highlighted, in the rule book he struck which is a red card! I say we are all to blame because of your exact statement above "The referee couldn't give Geaney a black card ffs." We have all said "ah that's a bit harsh" or something similar but most of the time if the rules are followed it would be a correct decision. Rules are rules the sooner the rule book is followed and players become disciplined the sooner the game will improve and supporter frustration will ease. On a side when I was in the terrace at the replay I found it astonishing general supporters lack of knowledge for the rules calling for black/yellow/red cards, like "how can he give a black card for Y when he only gave a yellow for X". Take note that Y and X are completely different!
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2015 15:48:33 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this.
Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture.
Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game?
My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently.
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Post by keane on Jul 23, 2015 16:35:50 GMT
Provocative language or gesture is the definition of a taunt ffs
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Post by southward on Jul 23, 2015 20:35:27 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this. Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture. Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game? My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently.Seems it's a yellow card offence to be pinned down as well, in this case anyway.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 23, 2015 22:41:12 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this. Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture. Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game? My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently.Seems it's a yellow card offence to be pinned down as well, in this case anyway. And surely a free in to accompany the yellow card?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 23, 2015 22:45:15 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this. Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture. Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game? My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently. I have never seen a player, for the what of a better word, sledging, black carded nor have I seen a black card for mouthing to a referee.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2015 8:24:38 GMT
Provocative language or gesture is the definition of a taunt ffs You could taunt an opponent by pointing to the scoreboard or shouting at him "I've scored 1-3 today, your gonna be taken off, your useless". Is that a black card? Either way, sledging has quickly become the "open hand handpass" and "squareball" of this season. Something for the Sunday Game lads to focus on while the real world continues.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2015 8:26:01 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this. Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture. Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game? My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently. I have never seen a player, for the what of a better word, sledging, black carded nor have I seen a black card for mouthing to a referee.
I've seen straight reds handed out for it in recent years more than once - most recently to Jonathan Lyne in the Club Championship.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 24, 2015 9:54:49 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this. Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture. Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game? My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently. I have never seen a player, for the what of a better word, sledging, black carded nor have I seen a black card for mouthing to a referee. Joe Canning, got one in the Dublin drawn match. The fact that's about the only one I can think of backs up your point. Would be interesting to see the stats on that for both club and county.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 13:48:05 GMT
Tomas who? - the black card offence is not for "taunting". "Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate" is the offence. I would have thought that somebody with your knowledge of the black card rule would know this. Now only Paul Geaney and Michael Shields know exactly what Paul shouted. To me it looked like a roar rather than any words being shouted. Maybe it could be taken as a provocative gesture. Was McManus tapping McGee the chest after McManus scored a point a provocative gesture. Did McStay and co make a big deal of this or was it laughed at on the Sunday Game? My guess with the Geaney/Shields incident was that it was all down to Shields pinning Geaney down to the ground for over 30 seconds at the end of the first game. Which is only a yellow card incident apparently. Is that not what PG did? He went out his way to rub in the face of Sheilds that he had scored a goal, by crouching down, clinching his fist and shouting at him (where has that touch of Kerry class gone by the way). Clearly we don't know what he said but I would say that anyone could see that he used provocative gestures. I wasn't referring to any other instances, my point was to do with "The referee couldn't give Geaney a black card ffs. " Why can't give a black card? A lot of our frustrations with the football at the moment is to do with consistency. They only way to achieve consistency is to follow the rule book. We all give out about the lack of it and yet we say things like "soft free" or "thats harsh". It's my opinion that the game would improve if the rule book was enforced. Players would become more disciplined and our frustrations as supporters would ease as you aren't left with anything to argue!
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Post by donegalman on Jul 24, 2015 14:05:43 GMT
Like everything else, there are different levels of sledging. There is a big difference between a forward saying something to his marker after scoring a point in a game where he has been pulled and dragged all day, and for instance, a bitter and constant narrative, that gets personal beyond belief. To play one off the other as being therefore justifiable is missing the point.
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Post by glengael on Jul 28, 2015 10:11:20 GMT
Jim McGuinness: Cork victims of flawed All-Ireland championship format It is almost impossible to recover from a Munster final replay defeat in just seven days
Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 08:30
Cork exit the All-Ireland football championship under a heavy cloud of disappointment and analysis of what is ‘wrong’ with their team. I wasn’t entirely surprised they were beaten by Kildare because of the context in which that match was played. We saw Cork becoming the latest victims of a championship structure which is at its most unforgiving for the teams which lose in provincial finals.
Last week, I was amazed to see Cork were being quoted on odds of 4/1 on. I felt they would do exceptionally well just to scrape past Kildare because they didn’t have what was the most important factor to allow them to recover from their defeat to Kerry: time.
So it proved.
I can understand the extreme disappointment for Cork GAA fans and the general frustration that their football team has not gone further in the championship. This wasn’t just a defeat by Kildare: it was a collapse. And it should be pointed out that nothing about Cork’s form all year suggested that they were prone to that. But everything needs to be taken into consideration.
We can’t underestimate or forget that this was a team who had lost a Munster final replay seven days earlier in absolutely horrendous weather conditions. And as members of the Kerry squad conceded, Cork were unlucky not to have won that drawn final. So they were dealing with those cumulative disappointments and setbacks on Saturday evening.
Against Kildare, they lost their key man marker, James Loughrey, to a black card. Then they saw Alan O’Connor, a towering figure in that drawn game, stretchered off the field with a serious injury. These were serious blows to a side whose morale was clearly fragile. So things unravelled and Kildare ran away with the game.
I believe the nature of Cork’s defeat is only explicable through the consequences of losing the Munster final replay to Kerry. Seven days Their goals and objectives for the year were woven into the Munster final. With a setback like that, two weeks is a tight time frame in which to recover. But seven days is borderline impossible. There are the physical aspects to consider but the mental fatigue which sets in after a big championship setback can be extremely difficult for players or managers to deal with in such a short space of time.
I was only involved in one qualifier game with Donegal. That was against Laois. We had just lost the Ulster title we had held for two years in a very physical, confrontational match with Monaghan seven days earlier. We went to Carrick-on-Shannon to meet Laois and we were expected to win but it became a huge test for us. You do feel vulnerable in that situation – and opposition teams can sense that. After a big defeat, players question themselves and management probably does too.
For months, you are planning to win a provincial final and thinking in terms of the joy that that would bring and then a quarter-final. All of that is abruptly ripped away and you find yourself in a completely different space. The infusion of confidence that comes with winning the provincial title isn’t there to draw on. That is a form of self-validation for teams. And it evaporates. So you are searching for your identity and you are questioning yourselves individually and collectively.
For us, it was a massive task to overcome that vulnerability and to drive forward with the same intent after losing our Ulster title. But we just about managed it that evening. In this instance, Cork couldn’t regroup and paid a heavy price.
Let’s just rewind the clock, for the sake of argument. Go back to the closing seconds of the drawn game against Kerry. What if Cork had held on in that drawn game? Or if Fionn Fitzgerald’s late score had fallen into the square – which may have been its intended destination – or gone wide and Cork got over the line on that first evening? Cork would be waiting there in the quarter-final as Munster champions. Who in the country would want to play them now? The Cork guys were so close to realising that and they almost had their hands on the Munster cup. So that draw, after a match they poured everything into, was a huge setback to absorb.
Have a look at what Cork did in a season that will be remembered now as a write-off. When the league ended, they stood on top on their own on 10 points. They scored 10-89 in seven games. The teams they beat included Dublin (1-16 to 0-15), Monaghan (2-14 to 1-16), Mayo (2-07 to 0-12) and Kerry (3-17 to 2-9). So they beat all of the eventual provincial champions for 2015 and the reigning All-Ireland champions in the league. They also beat Tyrone. They played Donegal in the league semi-final and put four goals past them, which is the first time I remember that happening. Okay they eventually lost the final to Dublin by 11 points but this is not a bad football team.
Then they go and prepare for Kerry. How many teams would realistically feel they have a shot of going into Killarney and beating Kerry? Very few teams could contemplate doing that. Cork came within a whisker.
Getting relegated While all of this was happening, Kildare were getting relegated to Division Three and getting pummelled by Dublin in Croke Park in the Leinster semi-final. So something is not adding up. If Cork had three weeks to prepare for this game, they would have been a much tougher proposition on Saturday night. I don’t know Brian Cuthbert at all and I don’t know how he prepares his teams or how he man-manages his players or how he is tactically – although he clearly had his tactics right the first day against Kerry.
But I believe he has come in for fairly incessant criticism over the past two seasons. This defeat against Kildare offers further fuel to those who wish to criticise both the team and the manager. But it needs to be set in the context of the situation. A Munster title would have changed the entire perception of Cork and Cuthbert: the general discussion would now be about the fact that he had got the tactics right and how he had steeled a team to go into Fitzgerald Stadium and claim a win which hadn’t been done in two decades.
Instead, after two big, summer-defining games against Kerry in front of a full house, Cork found themselves playing in front of 3,815 people on a wet Saturday night in Thurles. It must have felt like they were in an entirely different competition. It must have felt like a league game in February. And they couldn’t respond, probably for a whole series of reasons. Cork were asked to take part in a race on Saturday night from a standing start while their opponents were already sprinting.
This is unfair and it is one of the reasons why I have spoken about the need for a new structure for the All-Ireland which will make league form relevant, retain the provincial championships but which also then allows for an equal playing field for all teams: 16 teams in two tiers with teams seeded from 1- 16 and knockout games. No safety net to give the bigger counties a second chance. And – this is the crucial thing – no situation where one team is building psychological momentum while another team perishes. That levelling of circumstance would bring a cut and thrust and a true edge to the competition. Huge weekend I don’t want to be take away from Fermanagh or Kildare, who are obviously delighted to have come through the qualifiers. It was a huge weekend for both of those counties and Jason Ryan and Pete McGrath have done wonderful jobs in knuckling down and keeping their teams focused and now come into the quarter-finals with a terrific sense of momentum.
But it takes time to build that. Look at the teams now arriving at the back door. Tyrone were knocked out of Ulster on May 17th by Donegal and have been building away steadily since, feeding off each win. They are coming now and look more dangerous by the week. So you have to ask the question. Is it fair that a team beaten early in a competition has an advantage over a team that has progressed? It is clearly more advantageous to get beaten in the first round than in a provincial final.
In the system I proposed, Cork would have been ranked number one in the seeding because of their work in the league. And they would have deserved that. I believe in knockout football: people going to a championship game knowing that if they lose tonight, it is all over. Psychological momentum Kildare lay in tatters after being obliterated in a Leinster semi-final but they had time to think about it and to re-evaluate and to bring people back together and then prepare to push again. Theirs was a gradual and deliberate restoration of confidence. They brought all the psychological momentum into Saturday night last whereas Cork were in reverse thrust. They were still reeling as they faced into a game which they weren’t physically or mentally ready for. And they had no time to do anything about it. Cork found themselves battling against two elements on Saturday night. The first was the Kildare football team. The second was the All-Ireland championship structure.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2015 11:27:06 GMT
Good piece from JMG, he gets the most of it into nut shell fairly well.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 28, 2015 11:31:40 GMT
Without being too much of an ass, this shouldn't come as a surprise to Cork as: 1) They know at the start of every year that they will prob be in the Munster final, and 2) They lose them more than they win with the games regularly going to replays.
They should be prepared for this scenario- I agree that we could do with a format change but with the format as is- Cork would have known that there was a very strong possibility that they would end up in this scenario.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2015 11:38:35 GMT
Without being too much of an ass, this shouldn't come as a surprise to Cork as: 1) They know at the start of every year that they will prob be in the Munster final, and 2) They lose them more than they win with the games regularly going to replays. They should be prepared for this scenario- I agree that we could do with a format change but with the format as is- Cork would have known that there was a very strong possibility that they would end up in this scenario. That is true and not every team would have lost in the scenario.
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Post by ballynamona on Jul 28, 2015 12:09:42 GMT
Without being too much of an ass, this shouldn't come as a surprise to Cork as: 1) They know at the start of every year that they will prob be in the Munster final, and 2) They lose them more than they win with the games regularly going to replays. They should be prepared for this scenario- I agree that we could do with a format change but with the format as is- Cork would have known that there was a very strong possibility that they would end up in this scenario. Have to agree - they put all their eggs in one basket which was foolhardy. Teams have lost or drawn games in much tougher circumstances than that first day in Killarney.
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