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Post by Mickmack on Jun 22, 2015 7:12:30 GMT
shouldnt't there be an ould fada on the u in ansuilleabhanach.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 22, 2015 8:07:53 GMT
Fair play donegal. I have come to respect you as a fine contributor to this fourm and one without agenda. Top man. Just one small attention to detail, it is O'Se! Nice to be involved and welcome here. It really will be interesting to see how Cork respond to this, and equally importantly, if Tomas O Se continues this style of comment! Ultimately, if Cork do happen to win in Killarney next month, it will have more to do with what happens on the day than everything else, because all the top teams now are preparing almost the same way. Reading Tomas's column out loud in the dressing room before the game would be a massive distraction to the sub modalities of the game. However, if it were read out loud or internally by cork players this week.. it might well have been a ground zero for a number of them No worries.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 22, 2015 21:32:37 GMT
Fair play donegal. I have come to respect you as a fine contributor to this fourm and one without agenda. Top man. Just one small attention to detail, it is O'Se! Presume that's aimed at me. Strange comment considering two things - I've clearly stated many times that I have always been a big fan of TOSé. And I'm merely stating an honest, reasonable opinion, the sort that yourself and several others including Donegalman are promoting as being laudable and and the hallmark of Tomás himself. Does honest debate disturb you? Opposition perhaps? I suppose as ever you see what you want to see, and whatever suits your agenda. I enjoy debate, not merely saying what people want to hear.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 22, 2015 22:04:29 GMT
Interesting you mention agenda.
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Post by donegalman on Jun 22, 2015 23:21:09 GMT
MrRashers, I might disagree with you about the way that Tomas OSe presented his argument, but we probably are in agreement that what he said is correct. I also enjoy your posts too, so keep em coming. The only thing that I felt strongly about on this forum was the issue of sledging and while I didnt clash with my neighbor from Tyrone, I didnt agree with him at all.
Is it really such a big deal that Tomas wrote what he did the way he did? I think that he can get away with it, while others might not because of their track records as journalists.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 23, 2015 4:16:00 GMT
shouldnt't there be an ould fada on the u in ansuilleabhanach. Close but no cigar; you're forgetting the third a as well! Can't include them on user names (in case your question is genuine, although I'm reasonably certain your comment is tongue in cheek) EDIT: I stand corrected- you can include fadas! Duly updated. Afair i was not computer literate enough at the time I joined the site to figure out the old 'Alt Gr' trick. I owe you my thanks for a more precise identity!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 23, 2015 8:39:45 GMT
Interesting you mention agenda. Indeed............. Banter is one thing, digs are another. At least you're not an 'off-the-ball' merchant, I respect you for that!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 23, 2015 8:47:02 GMT
MrRashers, I might disagree with you about the way that Tomas OSe presented his argument, but we probably are in agreement that what he said is correct. I also enjoy your posts too, so keep em coming. The only thing that I felt strongly about on this forum was the issue of sledging and while I didnt clash with my neighbor from Tyrone, I didnt agree with him at all. Is it really such a big deal that Tomas wrote what he did the way he did? I think that he can get away with it, while others might not because of their track records as journalists. I agree 200% on sledging, apart from anything else it's boring. Bringing in other posters to have a dig is like Primary School. My Irish teacher was from Donegal by the way, Manus Earley. Hard but fair! Very like Tomás............until that piece. As I said, an honest opinion. Like yourself I'm certainly fascinated to see what's next. I hope he goes on to be a stand-out writer/commentator, "without fear or favour" as somebody used to say (?). I suppose I'm still beguiled by my other Kerry hero, Con H, who almost never said a bad word about anyone, certainly never a low blow, whilst still managing to be different and fascinating and insightful. Anyway look forward to the debates with yourself over the coming weeks. Keep up the good work!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 23, 2015 21:57:32 GMT
shouldnt't there be an ould fada on the u in ansuilleabhanach. Close but no cigar; you're forgetting the third a as well! Can't include them on user names (in case your question is genuine, although I'm reasonably certain your comment is tongue in cheek) EDIT: I stand corrected- you can include fadas! Duly updated. Afair i was not computer literate enough at the time I joined the site to figure out the old 'Alt Gr' trick. I owe you my thanks for a more precise identity! It was indeed tongue in cheek!
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Post by glengael on Jun 25, 2015 11:41:56 GMT
The Legacy documentary next Tuesday night is on Paidi O'Se.It's on RTE 1 after the 9 news.
It will be interesting to see what it's like. The TG4 doc was excellent.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 26, 2015 8:58:50 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/fitzmaurice-cork-are-the-most-maligned-team-in-the-country-339170.htmlFitzmaurice: Cork are the ‘most maligned’ team in the country Eamonn Fitzmaurice has distanced himself from Tomás Ó Sé’s criticism of Cork but admitted they are the most maligned team across Gaelic football and hurling. Not surprisingly, the Kerry manager has disassociated himself from his former team-mate’s claims that Cork lack leaders both on the field and sideline. Ó Sé also said they weren’t trustworthy and would be a different team under Fitzmaurice. Fitzmaurice believes Ó Sé’s words have fuelled Cork’s fire ahead of Sunday week’s Munster final considering their chances of upsetting the reigning Munster and All-Ireland champions in Killarney had already been roundly dismissed. Fitzmaurice has likened their situation to Kerry’s last year when both in and outside the county they were expected to fall to Cork. He didn’t express any anger with Ó Sé but the disappointment in his tone was obvious. “Look, with Tomás that’s his opinion,” he offered with a wry smile. “I think that’s the attraction of him as a pundit. Outside of the dressing room because he would have kept a very low profile in general, many people wouldn’t have known that he’s sharp on the game and very insightful and he’s honest and he’ll say what he’s thinking. “That’s Tomás’ opinion and he’s entitled to his opinion but it definitely wouldn’t be my opinion and it wouldn’t be anyone’s opinion in the camp. I imagine Brian Cuthbert was rubbing his hands together in glee when Tomás said it because Cork are very motivated anyway. They’re more motivated considering the amount of bad press they got after the league final even though they had a very good league up to that point, beating all of the famous ‘big four’ that are there, beating Monaghan above in their own backyard. Not too many teams do it. “So I imagine the Cork management and players, the management in particular, would have been delighted with it and probably used it. I would imagine the players would be a bit miffed at it. Like I said, it wouldn’t be my opinion. I would see Cork as a very dangerous animal, they’re in the very same situation as we were this time last year. They’re being written-off completely.” Referencing the last five teams to win All-Irelands, Fitzmaurice says Cork were hardly acknowledged to the same degree as Donegal, Dublin, and Kerry for their feat. “I was thinking about them during the year, they have to be the most maligned bunch in the country full stop, football or hurling. If you think back to even when they won their All-Ireland in 2010, I think they got very little credit for it. If you contrast it to the credit Donegal got for their All-Ireland in 2012 or either of the Dublin All-Irelands or even our own All-Ireland last year, they got no credit whatsoever. “So I imagine in the Cork camp there would have been a siege mentality anyway because of the way they’ve been picked at within their own county and outside their own county. I imagine this would have thrown petrol on the flames but, like I said, we’re not foolish to think that or underestimate Cork. If any of our lads need a reminder, all they need to do is think back to last March in Páirc Uí Rinn.” Two years ago, Fitzmaurice did vent his fury when a former Kerry player hinted at a major change in the Kerry team on the Wednesday prior to the Munster final. It compelled Fitzmaurice to announce his team early. He wouldn’t compare Ó Sé’s comments to that episode. “I didn’t even think of that. It’s one of those things, it’s been done. It’s not something we can control, what’s going on outside. I imagine it gives the Cork management another angle but they’ve plenty of angles and they’re really in a situation when they’ve nothing to lose.” He added: “We’ve lost the element of surprise and people are expecting a big performance from us.” Fitzmaurice reported a clean bill of health ahead of the game apart from Kieran O’Leary who is out for the season with an achilles heel injury. Paul Murphy’s shoulder injury has cleared up although Fitzmaurice suggested the final will come too early for Paul Galvin who is regaining fitness after a quad injury setback.
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Post by G_S_J on Jun 26, 2015 10:04:01 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2015 10:29:22 GMT
I would be too bothered by whats in "De Hedald" this week. Their GAA coverage probably had to contend with wall to wall articles of Whacker & Joxers memories of Italia 90 so they probably needed to be a bit controversial.
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Post by glengael on Jun 26, 2015 11:30:02 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 26, 2015 12:35:21 GMT
A fine knickers twisting from Carr, the Dubs are a sensitive auld lot!
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 26, 2015 12:35:56 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 26, 2015 16:22:20 GMT
Wonderful article by Tomas.
TG4 did a LAOCHRA GAEL on Jimmy Doyle a few years ago. They may show it again since he died last week. At the end he says that he often goes into the house on his own and grabs the hurley and has an ould swing out of it just to try to recapture the magic of when the hurley was an extension of his arm. Congratulations Tomas. I loved it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 26, 2015 16:36:38 GMT
Kerry's obsession with Dublin- I nearly wet myself when I saw that!! Talk about delusions of grandeur: 37 > everything less than 37
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2015 8:08:28 GMT
Saturday, June 27, 2015
By Dara Ó Cinnéide
It was only after Donegal beat Armagh a fortnight ago that we realised the men of Tír Chonaill had never before beaten both Tyrone and the Orchard county in the same championship.
The result must have been some comfort to the longer serving members on the Donegal squad, especially those who were around a decade ago when the Tyrone and Armagh duopoly ruled Ulster with a hegemonic grip.
Back then, both Ulster counties were two-thirds of a three-way power struggle and, along with Kerry, they won every available All Ireland title between 2002 and 2010. Cork then emerged from the crazy mixed up year of 2010 when all provincial champions fell on August weekend.
But just as one troika disappears, there is a genuine case to be made in recent times for the emergence of another. Kerry, of course, remain, but ever since that shape-shifting semi-final of four years ago between Dublin and Donegal we have a new super-élite of inter-county football.
There is a new troika in town, and, sadly, because of their failure to land the big one, we must exempt Mayo for the moment.
On the face of it, the shortlist for Sam is starting to become depressingly familiar. A Donegal win would see them face into their fifth Ulster final in a row and a Dublin win would almost surely presage their tenth Leinster title title in eleven years. Kerry’s alchemical transformation of last year, their countless Munster titles as well as their fabled tradition mean they may well be around for a long long time. Even Mayo appear certainties to get to August weekend by claiming a five-in-a-row of Connacht titles.
When we endlessly parse and analyse games and seasons looking for patterns, narratives and meanings on a macro level we sometimes miss the beauty in the micro. We can get so hung up on the eternal question, ‘who will win the All Ireland?’ that we miss the beauty of the minor achievements on championship weekends such as this.
It is perhaps only natural that our focus for the next few days will be on Donegal and Dublin, and on Kerry shortly thereafter, but that would be to miss the entire point of the championship.
I was part of a Kerry team emerging from the doldrums in 1997 when the great Cavan midfielder Stephen King, then in his mid-thirties, lifted the Anglo-Celt Cup. It was Cavan’s first Ulster title since 1969 and they haven’t won it since. King was asked afterwards if winning the title had made all the suffering during the bad years worthwhile. “Not at all”, said King “because even the bad years weren’t all that bad”.
King had cherished it all. The playing of the game, the battles won and scraps lost, the minor revelations along the way. Another noted football man from that neck of the woods, Patrick Kavanagh says in his “Self Portrait” that “stupid poets and artists think that by taking subjects of public importance it will help their work to survive. . . . The things that really matter are casual, insignificant little things.” So while Limerick will probably lose in Healy Park tomorrow, don’t let’s go bellyaching about the inequity of the system that sees a lesser team being beaten on a near impossible mission, and rather just marvel at the elegance of Ian Ryan’s play in the full forward line or at the enduring tenacity of Johnny McCarthy’s at the other end of the field.
Jamie Clarke might not get to play in the All Ireland final this year but it will be fascinating to see how he goes about his business in Armagh’s first step towards redemption in the Athletic Grounds this afternoon.
And what of Ciarán Lyng - soldiering for years in the purple and gold of Wexford but never making the big-time that seemed so tantalisingly close nearly a decade ago when Tyrone, Kerry and Armagh were still the teams to beat?
This evening he will be hoping to spring another shock against a Down team who, facing into 2016, have put three clear national league divisions between themselves and Wexford. Will any of that diminish Lyng’s contribution or his determination to squeeze as many good memories out of the game he loves while he still can? This evening also, Louth, another team relegated to Division 4 this spring, take on Leitrim in the grounds once likened to those of Accrington Stanley by one of football’s aristocrats, Seán Cavanagh, in the very same season that he won Player of the Year. They say that footballing legends are born in Croke Park but if you can’t play in places like the Gaelic Grounds in Drogheda too, then you have no business at headquarters.
None of the teams in this weekend’s qualifiers are going to come from nowhere to win the All Ireland. Nobody does that anymore. What Down, Donegal and Derry did in the early nineties has only been replicated since by the Galway team of 1998. The Donegal team of three years ago had served its apprenticeship and shown its intent the previous year.
The bookies’ odds tell us that Dublin (6/5), Kerry (7/2), Donegal (9/2) and, at a stretch, Mayo (15/2), are capable of winning Sam Maguire. The odds on Wexford (2000/1), Louth (2000/1), Leitrim (3000/1), Limerick (3000/1) and Wicklow (5000) might speak of the widening gap between the haves and have-nots, but they don’t give us the whole story.
I expect Donegal to shorten their odds by beating Derry this evening but it might be more of a struggle than many anticipate. Donegal learned very little from their last outing two weeks ago against Armagh and that is never good. There are signs that Karl Lacey isn’t as elusive going forward in possession as he used to be and while Ódhrán Mac Niallais has emerged as a serious performer, I’m still not sure if his apparent lack of conviction with the ball is due to his languid style or if he misses having Michael Murphy and a bullish Colm McFadden to aim for inside.
Dublin too, should see off Kildare because every team in Leinster have stopped believing they can beat them and many still think it acceptable that staying in the game for as long as they can is enough.
Whether it is Meath or Westmeath facing them in a fortnight’s time the challenger needs to summon the courage and audacity to at least come to Croke Park feeling like equals.
Dublin, no more than Kerry or Donegal, won’t be this strong indefinitely but if their Leinster opponents don’t start talking and thinking positively soon, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.
So who will win the All Ireland?
“Ah!” (as Patrick Kavanagh might say) “there is the question to speculate upon in lieu of an answer.” Meanwhile, let’s just enjoy the games for what they are.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 27, 2015 18:24:00 GMT
Wow, another article by another Kerry ex.
Excellent piece by DOC, one of the better commentators out there.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 27, 2015 18:26:20 GMT
A fine knickers twisting from Carr, the Dubs are a sensitive auld lot! Can't believe the cheek of yis, casting nastercians on that bastion of top quality journalism and prose, De Hedild. You've hit us where it hurts, a new low blow, yis cut us deep this time lads, deep........... (PS Is JJ Barrett still going? Great servant, great GAA man)
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 28, 2015 21:22:37 GMT
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Post by glengael on Jul 9, 2015 11:19:32 GMT
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 9, 2015 22:31:45 GMT
Very good snippet in the examiner today. Sean Boylan was saying the only time he roared or lost the head in a Meath dressing room was after they hammered Kerry in 01.
He said he felt the Meath players were ungracious in victory and were sneering and jeering at the Kerry players as the game went on.
He points out that Kerry lost their whole half back line and were simply trying to plug gaps and were no way a 15 point worse team.
He says he remarked to the selectors after the game that the players on field behaviour would come back to bite them.
That their recent and current travails are payback for their carry on that day
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 9, 2015 22:53:13 GMT
He says he remarked to the selectors after the game that the players on field behaviour would come back to bite them. That their recent and current travails are payback for their carry on that day Surely that was the final loss to Galway. Also don't bring up 2001!
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 9, 2015 23:02:54 GMT
Very good snippet in the examiner today. Sean Boylan was saying the only time he roared or lost the head in a Meath dressing room was after they hammered Kerry in 01. He said he felt the Meath players were ungracious in victory and were sneering and jeering at the Kerry players as the game went on. He points out that Kerry lost their whole half back line and were simply trying to plug gaps and were no way a 15 point worse team. He says he remarked to the selectors after the game that the players on field behaviour would come back to bite them. That their recent and current travails are payback for their carry on that day It bit them on their very next outing against Galway is right.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 9, 2015 23:21:10 GMT
Nasty stuff from Meath that day in the stands as well, like wannabe soccer fans, at least the Dubs put you down with a bit of a twinkle in their eye. The payback was the next day out against a classy Galway on and off the park, but I like Boylan's years of bad karma theory also.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 10, 2015 8:59:35 GMT
Nasty stuff from Meath that day in the stands as well, like wannabe soccer fans, at least the Dubs put you down with a bit of a twinkle in their eye. The payback was the next day out against a classy Galway on and off the park, but I like Boylan's years of bad karma theory also. As noted on here, a few of us were at it vs Tyrone in 2012. If you look at the 'Youtube There's you can hear it.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 10, 2015 10:29:25 GMT
Nasty stuff from Meath that day in the stands as well, like wannabe soccer fans, at least the Dubs put you down with a bit of a twinkle in their eye. The payback was the next day out against a classy Galway on and off the park, but I like Boylan's years of bad karma theory also. As noted on here, a few of us were at it vs Tyrone in 2012. If you look at the 'Youtube There's you can hear it. It's not really the 'yeah's' I'm on about, more the aggression of some of their supporters who were sneering at us towards the end, I was 16 at the time and couldn't get over the hate, it's not like we had a big rivalry with them or anything, looking back it was just an awful lot of little angry men with a chip on the shoulder about something. For the Tyrone game I was actually out of the country in 2012 so I'm going to plead the Wenger on this.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jul 11, 2015 4:48:40 GMT
As noted on here, a few of us were at it vs Tyrone in 2012. If you look at the 'Youtube There's you can hear it. It's not really the 'yeah's' I'm on about, more the aggression of some of their supporters who were sneering at us towards the end, I was 16 at the time and couldn't get over the hate, it's not like we had a big rivalry with them or anything, looking back it was just an awful lot of little angry men with a chip on the shoulder about something. For the Tyrone game I was actually out of the country in 2012 so I'm going to plead the Wenger on this. That's the Royals for you GSJ. They're like that with all opposition- if they're putting a game away you see heads in the stand looking for rival supporters to jeer at. About the only time I enjoyed a Rebel victory was their hosing of them in the 2007 sf. Pity I was flying and missed the match. But the night before, in the jacks in Sheehan's on Chatham St, I was derided by a neighbouring urinator for predicting a facile Corcaigh victory. I hope he remembered it during the game! 2001 semi was the first time I ever heard the 'olés' for passes at a GAA match. Ironic, from a county who never miss the opportunity to label their chief rivals as primarily soccer fans. Was only watching TV v Tír Eoghain in 2012. Pity there were any 'olés', but they did seem to be very brief and limited to a small portion of the ground, dying away quickly; the day in 2001 they seemed to last 5 minutes and came from all around. Wasn't in Páirc Mhic Gearailt though so I stand to be corrected. Slumped in despair at the 2001 semi, I did ponder whether someday it might return to bite their bottoms, but could never have hoped it would be only 3 weeks. It appears to me that the attitude you describe, GSJ, is endemic to arriviste counties, those with no history of success. Always thought Laois and Tír Eoghain had elements of it. Then they either slip back into the fold (as in the former), or achieve recognition as a permanent threat (the latter), and the support mellows out. Except An Mhí. They're stuck in that truculent groove.
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