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Post by keane on Aug 24, 2015 11:03:18 GMT
A seriously impressive display by the minors. Very slick, very mature and just looked very, very well coached throughout.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 24, 2015 11:13:30 GMT
I'm not sure Jack has many doubters?
Good display in terrible conditions and without Mark O Connor for almost 3/4s of the game. Mike Foley really put his hand up after being dropped the last day.
The are the real definition of a "team" - no big superstars and they look like a very grounded bunch. I would be very surprised if they don't win the final, no matter what Kildare or Tipp bring to the party.
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Post by homerj on Aug 24, 2015 11:32:20 GMT
When was the last time both teams got to the final, 2 years in a row?
Surely it's a rare one in football anyway
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Post by hugh20 on Aug 24, 2015 11:34:48 GMT
When was the last time both teams got to the final, 2 years in a row? Surely it's a rare one in football anyway 1932, in which we also won both minor and senior!
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Post by keane on Aug 24, 2015 11:36:07 GMT
I actually think Jack, if anything, is getting better.
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Post by hugh20 on Aug 24, 2015 11:53:19 GMT
I'm not sure Jack has many doubters? Good display in terrible conditions and without Mark O Connor for almost 3/4s of the game. Mike Foley really put his hand up after being dropped the last day. The are the real definition of a "team" - no big superstars and they look like a very grounded bunch. I would be very surprised if they don't win the final, no matter what Kildare or Tipp bring to the party. If there are any doubters of Jack then they could possibly need their head examined! It is no coincidence that we win our first AI minor in 20 years the year Jack takes over and the following year he has brought us back to another final where we will be favourites. People will say that Jack might have known this group of players were extremely talented ( especially last year) but the reality is we have talented team every year and Jacks influence cannot be understated IMO. The players also deserve incredible credit. Some of the years that we have lost we have had incredible talent. 2004 vs Tyrone we had Brendan Kealy, Killian Young, Padraig Reidy, Luke Quinn, Brian Moran, Anthony Maher, Kieran O Leary, Darran O Sullivan and Paul O Connor. 2006 vs Roscommon we had Shane Enright, Tommy Walsh, David Moran, Johnny Buckley, Paddy Curtin and Paddy Curran.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 24, 2015 12:05:08 GMT
I think Kerry are stone nuts if they don't put the structures in place next year that would enable Jack to manage both the minor and u21 teams.
Jack working with the new future minor manager for a season would be worthwhile in the interest of continuity and transfer of knowledge, say for example if it is someone like Sean O'Sullivan.
Regardless, congrats to all on reaching the final yesterday.
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Post by homerj on Aug 24, 2015 12:05:18 GMT
When was the last time both teams got to the final, 2 years in a row? Surely it's a rare one in football anyway 1932, in which we also won both minor and senior! Wow, is it really that long? Has any other county done it?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 24, 2015 12:07:04 GMT
Jeez speaking of Paddy Curran and Paddy Curtin- where are they now??
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 24, 2015 12:07:08 GMT
1932, in which we also won both minor and senior! Wow, is it really that long? Has any other county done it? Brian Beano McDonald played in three minor finals for Laois, winning two of them, in the '90s.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 24, 2015 12:14:22 GMT
1932, in which we also won both minor and senior! Wow, is it really that long? Has any other county done it? In 1979 and 1980 both Kerry teams got to finals. Seniors won both, minors lost 1979, Won 1980. Ambrose O'D and Tom Spillane on both, Timmy O'Dowd on 1980 team. 3 in a row done 3 times - by Cork, Dublin and Kerry
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Post by hugh20 on Aug 24, 2015 12:20:56 GMT
1932, in which we also won both minor and senior! Wow, is it really that long? Has any other county done it? Sorry I meant that it was this long since we won both 2 years in a row.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 24, 2015 12:33:26 GMT
Jeez speaking of Paddy Curran and Paddy Curtin- where are they now?? Saw Paddy Curran in action albeit as a sub for Waterville in county league last year; injuries wrecked a very promising career. Paddy Curtin back playing with Moyvane- he was overseas ( Brazil) for the past while.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 24, 2015 13:11:44 GMT
Great win against Derry yesterday - I see commentators saying 11 of the Derry panel (and a big panel it was - three keepers and 30 outfield players doing warm ups) are under again next year. Think we have about the same number. Should the minors win it is hard to see Jack walking away from the chance to manage a team to three - or at the very least attempt it seeing as it is such a rare event. The U21 and minor campaigns run into each other rather than overlap so it is possible. Bookies may well have Kerry as favourites but we have lost to Kildare (assuming they beat Tipp) in an early season challenge and will have to play well to take them in a final. Possible but far from a done deal.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 24, 2015 13:40:03 GMT
We made heavy enough weather of beating a limited enough Derry team yesterday. A lot of our dominance around the middle was undone by some sloppiness in attack with lads taking the wrong option at times in the 2nd half. Conditions certainly played their part but those young lads will have learned a huge amount from that game yesterday. The team was very well set up and very organised. The kick passing and patience showed how well coached these guys are. Best of luck in the Final to Jack, Mícheál and Co. Great win,fair play.
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 24, 2015 14:02:28 GMT
Thought some of the scores by the corner forwards in particular were sublime and the game was much more enjoyable as a spectacle than the senior game. Imagine my surprise when watching the rte player last night and Brolly describing it as formulaic and bloodless, I know he's a running joke anyway but can't we expect a little constructive criticism and not blatant lies.
Anyway, well done to Jack and the minors, a great achievement. Hope it goes well for them on the day, that game against Cork will live long in the memory
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Post by homerj on Aug 24, 2015 14:13:39 GMT
Jack is some man, has quitened a few bitter doubters this morning. theres alot of people out there very very bitter towards him and that "he only takes over teams that he knows are going to win".
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Post by dod2102 on Aug 24, 2015 15:20:05 GMT
Massive congrats to team and all involved..have to say what jack is doing with the minors last year and this year is probably his biggest achievment to date..it is notoriously hard to get minors playing consistently well.. We are lucky to have him at any level
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 17:36:17 GMT
Billy Courtney Mike Breen Daniel O'Brien Sean O'Shea Brian Sweeney Graham O'Sullivan David Shaw Niall Collins Michael Reidy Ferdia O'Brien Cormac Linnane Karl Mullins are all under again next year.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 24, 2015 18:41:15 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry minors and good luck in the final. Jack O'Connor - we're lucky to have you!
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Post by veteran on Aug 24, 2015 21:43:09 GMT
It appeared to me that Kerry were vastly superior to Derry but they made hard work of clinching victory. In their defence, they were badly wronged by an incorrect refereeing decision in the second half . A Kerry player was clearly pushed out over the sideline but ,rather than a Kerry free, he awarded a sideline kick to Derry. This was worked in towards the midfield and a high speculative kick deceived Billy Courtney and finished in the net. This upset Billy because shortly afterwards he conceded a forty five when he should have gathered the ball. Shortly after that he miscued a kickout. It must be stressed that Billy has been impeccable in all the other games I have seen him play this year, particularly against Cork in that potboiler in Tralee. He was massive that night. I have no doubt Jack will get his confidence up for the final.
Jason Foley once again stood out at full back. Darren Brosnan, a star corner back all along, was taken off in the second half. Was he injured?
It was refreshing to see a forward other than Conor Geaney, Mike Foley on this occasion, assume the role of chief score getter. Nothing seemed to go right for Conor yesterday. Yet he kept the head up and was rewarded with a terrific point late in the game.
Like the seniors, these boys are proving difficult to beat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 12:30:28 GMT
I am surprised how well he's done really. I can't remember him ever playing for any Crokes team in Goals before. I thought he would make the team full forward this year. He could play outfield next year. Leane from Milltown/Castlemaine and Foley from O'Rahillys will be pushing for spot next year and they are both good.
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Post by theumpire on Aug 25, 2015 16:50:27 GMT
Jack is some man, has quitened a few bitter doubters this morning. theres alot of people out there very very bitter towards him and that "he only takes over teams that he knows are going to win". Managing football teams in this county ,especially county teams, in Kerry is a politics game and Jack knows this well. I mean I'll start this off by saying Jack O'Connor is the best manager I have seen over Kerry teams and im sure coming from anonymous internet poster that will mean so much to him. In all seriousness his record stands to itself. But Jack is ruthless, ruthless manager, and even as a person. I remember reading in Keys to the Kingdom him lamenting how before an All Ireland u21 final (1999?) how Paidi pulled 5 of his u21 squad away from the u21 training to train with the seniors, saying Paidi was being careful as he knew with back to back u21's titles that Jack would be a threat to his position as county senior manager. Or as Jack put it, "Paidi didnt spend all that time on Charles Haugheys knee and learn nothing." However Jack neglects to mention in his book he did the same to Charlie Nelligan in 2004 pulling away Gooch and Declan Sullivan from the u21 team when they were ordered not to play for them and they lost the u21 final to Cork by a point with the two boys out injured. It was well known that last years minor were a promising bunch, and Jack made sure he got it, even though it caused hassle. Pete Keane a great sponsor and gaa man in Kerry a selector under Mickey Neds regime was understandably annoyed and so was Mickey Ned. But Jack won the war and in fairness duly delivered the goods.And this year continues to do so and shows the difficult decision was the right one a few years ago. Jacks dropping of Jordan Kiely last year shows the cleverness of the man and the masterstroke it was, with the performance Jordan gave coming on really helping Kerry home. I mean he is, or at least comes across as the most stubborn, chipped on the shoulder, paranoid man you can meet. This is a man and I wouldnt dare to say to him and would only say it under my protection of the internet of being a keyboard warrior , that left Dromid, a club he put so much into and loves,and went for 3 years to play with Waterville , their arch rivals, a club he despises with a passion all cause he was so headstrong over a dispute. It shows the war that rages in him. I mean the almost comical shoulder into the back of Declan O'Sullivan at half time the south Kerry final of 2 years ago and the brawl that nearly broke out, a man he shaped so much as a player and as a person from a young age shows how much football means to him, or moreso winning. But without all those traits , the chipped shoulder, the imagined slights from the golden years teams when he was manager, the rage within him, he wouldnt be the manager he is, cause thats what drives him. A Roy Keane of Kerry football. It rubs people up the wrong way, but he doesnt care and if anything it fuels him. He is clever, clever the way he plays the politics game in Kerry football, clever with the media, but cleverest as a football manager.
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Post by keepitsimple on Aug 26, 2015 7:06:55 GMT
This is a bit off topic , but has anyone else noticed the fella that commentates on the minor matches for Radio Kerry says "there" about 3 times in every sentence? It is so annoying!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 12:15:36 GMT
I know the guy you are talking about it. It's hard listening to Radio Kerry sometimes like that cuase they can give you wrong name of the player and they are behind the play a bit.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 26, 2015 12:28:18 GMT
Billy Courtney Mike Breen Daniel O'Brien Sean O'Shea Brian Sweeney Graham O'Sullivan David Shaw Niall Collins Michael Reidy Ferdia O'Brien Cormac Linnane Karl Mullins are all under again next year. also Darren Casey who has been around the panel this year.
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Post by glengael on Aug 26, 2015 12:28:21 GMT
theres alot of people out there very very bitter towards him and that "he only takes over teams that he knows are going to win". Managing football teams in this county ,especially county teams, in Kerry is a politics game and Jack knows this well. I mean I'll start this off by saying Jack O'Connor is the best manager I have seen over Kerry teams and im sure coming from anonymous internet poster that will mean so much to him. In all seriousness his record stands to itself. But Jack is ruthless, ruthless manager, and even as a person. I remember reading in Keys to the Kingdom him lamenting how before an All Ireland u21 final (1999?) how Paidi pulled 5 of his u21 squad away from the u21 training to train with the seniors, saying Paidi was being careful as he knew with back to back u21's titles that Jack would be a threat to his position as county senior manager. Or as Jack put it, "Paidi didnt spend all that time on Charles Haugheys knee and learn nothing." However Jack neglects to mention in his book he did the same to Charlie Nelligan in 2004 pulling away Gooch and Declan Sullivan from the u21 team when they were ordered not to play for them and they lost the u21 final to Cork by a point with the two boys out injured. It was well known that last years minor were a promising bunch, and Jack made sure he got it, even though it caused hassle. Pete Keane a great sponsor and gaa man in Kerry a selector under Mickey Neds regime was understandably annoyed and so was Mickey Ned. But Jack won the war and in fairness duly delivered the goods.And this year continues to do so and shows the difficult decision was the right one a few years ago. Jacks dropping of Jordan Kiely last year shows the cleverness of the man and the masterstroke it was, with the performance Jordan gave coming on really helping Kerry home. I mean he is, or at least comes across as the most stubborn, chipped on the shoulder, paranoid man you can meet. This is a man and I wouldnt dare to say to him and would only say it under my protection of the internet of being a keyboard warrior , that left Dromid, a club he put so much into and loves,and went for 3 years to play with Waterville , their arch rivals, a club he despises with a passion all cause he was so headstrong over a dispute. It shows the war that rages in him. I mean the almost comical shoulder into the back of Declan O'Sullivan at half time the south Kerry final of 2 years ago and the brawl that nearly broke out, a man he shaped so much as a player and as a person from a young age shows how much football means to him, or moreso winning. But without all those traits , the chipped shoulder, the imagined slights from the golden years teams when he was manager, the rage within him, he wouldnt be the manager he is, cause thats what drives him. A Roy Keane of Kerry football. It rubs people up the wrong way, but he doesnt care and if anything it fuels him. He is clever, clever the way he plays the politics game in Kerry football, clever with the media, but cleverest as a football manager. An interesting view , theumpire, right up to the point you mentioned a certain Cork sporting "legend". Don't think he belongs in the same sentence as Jack, given he belongs to a different code entirely. I may have imagined this because I didn't see if mentioned elsewhere but about 5 minutes into the 2nd half, Kerry had a long range free or 45, can't exactly recall which , going in to the Canal End. There was a slight break in play and our freetaker headed out to prepare for the kick. A Derry mentor, he was their runner all day, came on to speak to one of his players who was close to the Kerry player. While he was there, said Derry mentor picked up the match ball and held on to it. The ref had gone in near the square and wasn't in the vicinity at the time. After a while, when the mentor had finished his little chat he threw the ball back towards the Kerryman with a look as if to say, "oh were ye waiting for me, I didn't even realise I was holding the ball!!!!!!" Strange carry on to say the least. I would endorse veteran's and keane's view of the match overall.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 26, 2015 13:35:19 GMT
Glengael - yes you saw correctly. In fact that same Derry mentor spend a lot of time on the field of play. Not the only strange thing with the Derry sideline - they togged out 33-34 players including three goalkeepers who all went throught the warm up routine. My understanding is that match day squads are limited to 24 at minor, 26 at senior.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 26, 2015 13:57:50 GMT
Yerra Jack is Jack. We are lucky to have him still working the oracle for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:56:36 GMT
We have had 2 very good minor teams now and it bodes well for the future. Minor and u16 level in Kerry is very strong this year. Some good minor players didn't make it this year but you will hear from these guys in the future. 1 Cormac Leane(Milltown/Castlemaine) underage in 2016 2 David Naughton(Dr.Crokes)under in 2016 3 DJ Murphy(Gneeveguilla)4 Cian O'Murchu(An Ghaeltacht)5 Mike McCarthy(Spa)6 Aidan O'Connor(Dingle)7 Mike Foley(Ballydonoghue) under in 2016 8 Michael O'Donnell(Austin Stacks) if he could stay healthy good player. 9 Mark Sugrue(Renard)10 Darragh Sheehy(Ballydonoghue)11 Jack Daly(St.Marys)12 Darragh Keane(Ballylongford) 13 Darren Casey(St.Marys) under 2016 14 Jack Foley(Ballydonoghue)15 Ryan Manning(Lispole)under 2016
others: Shane Foley(Kerins O'Rahillys)(2016) Ray O'Shea(Kenmare) Shane Courtney(Glenflesk)Colin Griffin(Austin Stacks) Mairtin O'Gormain(An Ghaeltacht) Niall Brennan(St.Marys)(2016) Kieran O'Connell(Ballydonoghue) Anthony O'Driscoll(Skellig Rangers)Calvin Foley(Austin Stacks) JJ Herlihy(Gneeveguilla)(2016) Liam Brosnan(Dingle) Michael Casey(Dr.Crokes)Diarmuid Keating(Skellig Rangers) Gearoid Savage(Kerins O'Rahillys)(2016)Dara Moynihan(Spa)Adam O'Dwyer(Waterville)
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