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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2014 16:34:03 GMT
Ah seamo you're a kinda on track and I agree with all you say, well apart from the man on the moon, unless of course he is one of our own, once removed now watching over us!
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Post by seamo on Sept 6, 2014 16:37:06 GMT
Ah seamo you're a kinds on track and I agree with all you say, well apart from the man on the moon, unless of course he is one of our own, once removed now watching over us! lol Well just so we're clear, those of you attending club games throughout Kerry and coaching etc, you have my respect when it comes to opinions on Kerry football. None more knowledgable than those in the middle of it.
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 6, 2014 20:09:31 GMT
That clip on you tube speaks volumes regarding the tactics. It shows a carbon copy of how Donegal went about dismantling Dublin. Frightening speed on the break. Once they're gone there's no stopping them. That score from Karl Lacey to seal it was like watching any of the scores Donegal had against the Dubs. When defending they have 2 or 3 men max inside the Kerry half and not just inside, in on the full back line. A world of space between midfield and the inside line.
It's amazing how well it works given how simple it seems. But it's made simple because the players completely bought into it and it works. It's not fool proof however. Kerry will need to be wicked patient. Defend like men possessed and be ultra patient in attack. Keeping the shape at the back is key to stopping Donegal from the handy scores.
We seem to be more of a team than we were in 2012. This group of players answered serious questions against Mayo. Not without our faults of course but neither are Donegal. I'm not convinced they are as good as they were in 2012 but it all counts for nothing on the day. Neither team will be afraid of winning it.
Kerry are more battle hardened. It's an edge that could well prove the difference. This time 2 weeks we'll be wetting the tongues in the Big Smoke. Back where we belong!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2014 20:12:52 GMT
Declan Bonner couldn't believe how bad Dublin's defending was in Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
Having led Donegal to victory over the Dubs minors in the curtain-raiser, the 1992 All-Ireland winner and former Donegal senior boss stayed on in Croke Park to take in the senior semi-final and was stunned by the naivety of the Leinster champions:
"It surprised me how Dublin folded easily," Bonner says in The Irish Independent. "Their defensive shape just disappeared. There were gaping holes right through the middle of their defence.
"Dublin must have thought we'll score more than Donegal, no matter what Donegal score we'll score more than them, it's just all out attack. There was no defensive plan. We could have got five goals.
"It was unbelievable. Even from as basic thing as a kick-out, you set up your team to make sure they are as best they can be defensively, you don't want to concede.
"But I think Paul Durcan had two kick-outs in the second-half, I think [Michael] Murphy went up for one ball, actually, two of them and knocked down to Ryan McHugh and a goal came out of one of them and the second one was his goal opportunity that he put over the bar. That's juvenile defending."
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Post by fenit67 on Sept 6, 2014 21:39:58 GMT
I have been watching the Dublin v Donegal match again. Dublin lost midfield, were lazy in defence, lost and gave the ball away too easily when in possession. In addition O'Gara was left on too long and so too was Alan Brogan. Donegal were not extraordinary as Dublin were to a large extent the architects of their own downfall. When Christy Toye came on he was allowed the run of the field as was Michael Murphy. What can you expect if you don't bother marking people? Donegal will not have it as easy against Kerry as midfield will be a very hard contest. Michael Murphy needs to be man-marked by the likes of Donnacha Walsh who will not stop running and will be a constant thorn in Murphy's side. We have had problems this year with direct running from deep but Peter Crowley's arrival has cured much of that epidemic. Donegal will not open up against Kerry so accuracy of passing and not going into contact unnecessarily beyond their "50" is vital. I think if given the right supply then Kerry's forward will heve enough to outwit the Donegal backs whichever 6 forwards Eamon chooses.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2014 22:34:56 GMT
Ah seamo you're a kinds on track and I agree with all you say, well apart from the man on the moon, unless of course he is one of our own, once removed now watching over us! lol Well just so we're clear, those of you attending club games throughout Kerry and coaching etc, you have my respect when it comes to opinions on Kerry football. None more knowledgable than those in the middle of it. Mo chara seamo, I live outside the county.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2014 22:39:04 GMT
ammmmmmmm I'm not in the country anymore, so does that mean I'm smarter than you when it comes to Kerry football?!!!! haha I guess proverbial man on the moon is the most knowledgable man of all when it comes to Kerry GAA!! lol And the AFL thing is old news. It wasn't Armagh or Mickey Harte that came up with the blanket defence, that's an old favourite of AFL teams, and they had the debates about rule changes to combat it long before we did. Donegal ain't the world capital for innovation in sports tactics!! Mó buachaillin caoisech beag, wise up, you are no smarter than any of us so behave or we'll have to do to you what we do to bold people, Dubs, etc. CONTROL - I'm too old for this, @ 5.30pm on 21/9/'14 I'm retiring.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 7, 2014 7:58:36 GMT
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Post by seamo on Sept 7, 2014 9:24:34 GMT
ammmmmmmm I'm not in the country anymore, so does that mean I'm smarter than you when it comes to Kerry football?!!!! haha I guess proverbial man on the moon is the most knowledgable man of all when it comes to Kerry GAA!! lol And the AFL thing is old news. It wasn't Armagh or Mickey Harte that came up with the blanket defence, that's an old favourite of AFL teams, and they had the debates about rule changes to combat it long before we did. Donegal ain't the world capital for innovation in sports tactics!! Mó buachaillin caoisech beag, wise up, you are no smarter than any of us so behave or we'll have to do to you what we do to bold people, Dubs, etc. CONTROL - I'm too old for this, @ 5.30am on 21/9/'14 I'm retiring. Your a poet right? Studied the English langauge? lol Sarcasm, condescending, you've heard of these words? I'm just "breakin your balls now", but you needed to be called-out for all the talk about needing to be living outside of Kerry to know more about Kerry football, your views not mine! Enjoy the hurling final!!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2014 10:14:11 GMT
seamo ...it seems to me that you are the one with difficulty in understanding plain English here. All he is s saying is that people living in kerty don't realise how brilliant they are as regards football wisdom and understanding. Tom Humphries used to make the same point about having casual conversations with ordinary fold while on visits to Kerry.
Now you may agree or disagree but at least get the point K-Man is making.
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Post by seamo on Sept 7, 2014 10:40:57 GMT
seamo ...it seems to me that you are the one with difficulty in understanding plain English here. All he is s saying is that people living in kerty don't realise how brilliant they are as regards football wisdom and understanding. Tom Humphries used to make the same point about having casual conversations with ordinary fold while on visits to Kerry. Now you may agree or disagree but at least get the point K-Man is making. Don't be so quick to jump in with your size 10's Mick; K-man often talks in riddles, so don't than tell me it's "plain English" ! lol And on-top of that, my initial response and final response was laced with sarcasm and "lol"'s (after 8k posts on an internet forum you should be well aware of their motives!). The sarcasm and the rest was a means to keep things on a "friendly" if not also an argumentative level. I don't mean to make things personal, it's hard to tell because it's riddle after riddle; if it was "plain English" than why are no-one else's posts misinterpreted? And I hope K-man wasn't telling the truth in his final post...whilst I may not understand his riddles (or plain English depending on who you are ), the place would be duller without his contributions.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 7, 2014 11:25:00 GMT
Lads any idea where the Kerry team are staying the Sunday night. I want to book a room there. Tried calling the county board on a few occasions but they are not answering the phone and with the tickets out after the hurling it looks like the phone will rarely be picked up over the next few weeks. I was half thinking they may be staying in the D4 ballsbridge where they were in 2009 and 2011. Anybody with any idea where they may be staying??
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2014 11:46:44 GMT
Seamo. You got this one wrong. I think you should apologise to K man. Fair enough, maybe I am sticking my oar in but I enjoy K-Man posts.... viva la difference etc. He never set out to offend anyone. Final word from me on this...
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Post by homerj on Sept 7, 2014 12:13:45 GMT
this is going to be one hell of a tough game, donegal had 13 men behind the ball at times against the Dubs.
how on earth are we going to break through that?
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 7, 2014 13:03:56 GMT
this is going to be one hell of a tough game, donegal had 13 men behind the ball at times against the Dubs. how on earth are we going to break through that? One way of doing it is to turnover ball when they are on the attack. Fast ball in then when they are more exposed. Support runners, support for man on the ball whey going into traffic, massive intensity in the tackle, bursting through their tackle, patience, patience and more patience. A blanket defence is beatable. No question.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 7, 2014 13:32:12 GMT
this is going to be one hell of a tough game, donegal had 13 men behind the ball at times against the Dubs. how on earth are we going to break through that? One way of doing it is to turnover ball when they are on the attack. Fast ball in then when they are more exposed. Support runners, support for man on the ball whey going into traffic, massive intensity in the tackle, bursting through their tackle, patience, patience and more patience. A blanket defence is beatable. No question. Totally agree, when we turn over ball we need to let it in quick while there is space, this is when Donaghy can be effective as well. The other way to break down a blanket defensive is by being very patient, as long as we have the ball that means they do not and cant score. I am very impressed how much we have improved in braking the tackle this year. We struggled in this area v Dublin last year and found it hard to come out of defensive. If we can brake tackles in our half back and half forward lines then will will draw the man which will make space. of course all this is easily said and is much harder to do in an All Ireland final against a physical team. But that's how Mayo went through them last year, they kept braking the tackle and ran straight through them. If we can do all this early then we have a great chance as if they are behind they will have to come out at some stage leaving the space the Kerry forwards crave.
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Post by ballybunion on Sept 7, 2014 16:18:12 GMT
Kerry4life:The hotel where the Kerry team will stay on Sunday night is fully booked out.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2014 16:29:29 GMT
Kerry will need to neuter Donegal's breakaway game which often leads to a high score conversion rate. Discipline and the ability to reorganise, hold and reestablish setup and hold shape will be crucial to cut out the Donegal gain lines. Forcing Donegal restarts to go long makes a lottery of Donegal's preset game plan. Disrupt the controllables.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 7, 2014 16:40:13 GMT
Kerry4life:The hotel where the Kerry team will stay on Sunday night is fully booked out. Whats the name of it as we have booked 1 with 48 hours notice cancellation. I could book a hotel near by. What was the name of the hotel Ballybunion??
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Post by athletics on Sept 7, 2014 17:00:53 GMT
The Kerry team are staying in the D4 hotel I think.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Sept 7, 2014 20:28:09 GMT
Donegal are in the D4 ,, this is what I have been toldk
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 7, 2014 20:57:51 GMT
Seamo. You got this one wrong. I think you should apologise to K man. Fair enough, maybe I am sticking my oar in but I enjoy K-Man posts.... viva la difference etc. He never set out to offend anyone. Final word from me on this... Ah I wouldn't take much notice mick but why seamo says I talk in riddles I don't know. Yes, poetry is abstract but I don't do poetry on here. Of course those closest to the team know most, but sometimes standing back gives a different angle. If I didn't live outside Kerry I wouldn't appreciate the stature of GAA in Kerry and in contrast to other counties. What Tadhg Kennely spoke of didn't specifically concern the blanket. I can't see the riddles here and believe you me, I can do riddles! Thanks also or the compliment mick and I'd say that everyone on here makes a positive contribution and you're a bit of a stalwart yourself at 8k, wow! I find it a great place to get the news and learn more about the game, etc. An auld bita banter is no harm either, a bit of winding each other up from time to time. PS seamo I failed English in the leaving because our teacher's willy got him a hammering and he was missing for most the year so to say I studied the English Language is not really true. And some notable writers (E.g. Anne Enright who won The Booker prize) will tell you that one of the greatest challenges is to forget the academia we learn so that wasn't such an issue for me. Einstein also advocated that imagination dwarfed knowledge, so, well man, use your imagination and you'll be as good a poet as me one day, and boy am I good? Imagination is not a learned skill, like The Kerry Ingredient, you either have or you haven't got it; note my signature! Now there's a riddle! Or as Dennis The Menace would say and via Colm O'Rourke in today's Sindo, 'Riddle me that'.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 7, 2014 21:02:09 GMT
The Kerry team are staying in the D4 hotel I think. A non City centre hotel only makes money for taxis, City West would knock you back €30.
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Post by kerrygirl32 on Sept 7, 2014 21:33:27 GMT
Kerry4life......hotel is d4 I think... Donegal are in city west
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 7, 2014 21:41:48 GMT
The Kerry team are staying in the D4 hotel I think. A non City centre hotel only makes money for taxis, City West would knock you back €30. Funny you say that, when the Kerry team were there in 07 and 6 of us got a mini bus out there, it was a fiver a head. So your bang on with your quotation, well that's what it was 7 years ago and a mini bus would be a little extra so a normal 4 seater now would prob be around the 30 euro mark as K Man @ Ballythefireside37 said.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 7, 2014 22:27:12 GMT
A non City centre hotel only makes money for taxis, City West would knock you back €30. Funny you say that, when the Kerry team were there in 07 and 6 of us got a mini bus out there, it was a fiver a head. So your bang on with your quotation, well that's what it was 7 years ago and a mini bus would be a little extra so a normal 4 seater now would prob be around the 30 euro mark as K Man @ Ballythefireside37 said. And another €30 back, a waste of good drinking money, the Sam home coming, a week in Tattlers, etc. Them footballers will break us, with the help of God!
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Post by northkerry11 on Sept 8, 2014 6:16:36 GMT
I think it will be travelling early Sunday morning and a happy drive home for us on sun eve listening to radio 1 and newstalk relive the final.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 8, 2014 7:46:13 GMT
Funny you say that, when the Kerry team were there in 07 and 6 of us got a mini bus out there, it was a fiver a head. So your bang on with your quotation, well that's what it was 7 years ago and a mini bus would be a little extra so a normal 4 seater now would prob be around the 30 euro mark as K Man @ Ballythefireside37 said. And another €30 back, a waste of good drinking money, the Sam home coming, a week in Tattlers, etc. Them footballers will break us, with the help of God! Hahhah hopefull, travel, accommodation, tickets, taxis, tickets to after match party,food and most important drinking money, for the 2 days I will have no change out of 600 quid pp and that's sharing accommodation with a couple of lads. If you want to do it in style than you can add another couple of hundred. But its a great complaint to have.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2014 8:49:56 GMT
Donegal got 3.14 from 24 chances against Dublin.
Clearly, they like the guerrilla war approach where they retreat back to man the barricades after a few deadly forays into enemy territory.
I read somewhere that the key to playing Donegal is patience. Dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee to quote Cassius Clay.
Probe away but keep your shape defensively.
I don't know if that's in the Kerry psyche though.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2014 9:33:09 GMT
I see JMG is starting to name drop Kerry players in the media. The Kerry players are going to have to remain very focused to close out the next two weeks and the final.
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