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Post by animal on Sept 4, 2014 11:52:47 GMT
Quiet in here today. What do people think about how we might handle an aerial assault by Donegal in the final? I have a feeling they may approach the game similarly to the way they approached Mayo early on in 2012. I remember Kevin Keane of Mayo having a nightmare under the high ball and Murphy et al making hay early on in the game. The goal we conceded in the 2nd half V Mayo on Saturday would give me cause for concern. I'm sure Eamonn will be preparing the lads for such an eventuality but it is a worry. Undoubtedly the high ball could trouble us. It's an area where Donegal may target and should target. McFadden was a thorn in our side in 2012. That goal still rankles with me. It was a huge moment in the game and gave Donegal a huge platform. The match ups will be interesting. Mark Griffin could well feature if his form is good in training. He played really well when he came on against Mayo and his physical strength may give us a new dimension back there with a substantial aerial threat. Otherwise you'd probably be looking at Aidan O Mahoney on Murphy and Marc attempting to shackle McFadden. Yeah the more I think about it the more worried I get. Starting Griffin could be an option but is probably too much of a change considering he has seen very little game time all season. I had almost forgotten about our own aerial mishap against Donegal in 2012. That goal really was crucial on the day and seemed to put us back a good bit. As others have said you really don't want to be chasing the game against Donegal.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 4, 2014 13:07:39 GMT
No doubt Donegal will target our FB line and goalkeeper given the mishaps in previous games, and against them in 2012. Enright has been caught a few times and Kelly's mistake won't have done his confidence any good. We aren't blessed with any great height in the back 6 so cutting out good supply will be a priority. Saying that, only one of Donegal's goals against Dublin game from a high ball and it could have been dealt with properly by the Dublin back who spilled the ball.
Perhaps Aidan O'Mahony will be tasked with keeping the shackles on Murphy?
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 4, 2014 13:20:44 GMT
In fairness Kelly has been wonderful under the high ball during this campaign. He's a solid goal keeper in all aspects and this is borne out in the fact that there isn't much of a mention of him in comparison to Kealy when he was between the sticks. I doubt his confidence was affected by that one mistake.
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Post by animal on Sept 4, 2014 13:27:21 GMT
In fairness Kelly has been wonderful under the high ball during this campaign. He's a solid goal keeper in all aspects and this is borne out in the fact that there isn't much of a mention of him in comparison to Kealy when he was between the sticks. I doubt his confidence was affected by that one mistake. Yeah I agree Kelly has been good all year including under most high balls. It's more as a defensive unit as a whole dealing with high balls into the square I'm concerned. I guess if it's so obvious that we are discussing it we can be confident that Eamaonn et all will try and find a way to counteract it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 4, 2014 14:12:47 GMT
No doubt Donegal will target our FB line and goalkeeper given the mishaps in previous games, and against them in 2012. Enright has been caught a few times and Kelly's mistake won't have done his confidence any good. We aren't blessed with any great height in the back 6 so cutting out good supply will be a priority. Saying that, only one of Donegal's goals against Dublin game from a high ball and it could have been dealt with properly by the Dublin back who spilled the ball. Perhaps Aidan O'Mahony will be tasked with keeping the shackles on Murphy? As we will target theirs, can you imagine what will be going through Duncan's head facing JOD, JD, Declan, etc. I've seen him shaking in his boots against us before JOD appeared, so rather him than me. In other words every threat lads speak of apply even more so to our opponents and what we are capable of inflicting on them. Just look at JOD's posture with the power he puts into a kick; the ball for last goal in the drawn game travelled like a bullet, there was 1' between the goalie and the post and the ball coming from JOD's boot 10' away still beat him, in fact from what I saw it hit the net before the poor lad had time to even physically react if you are with me, I.e. he hadn't even moved even though he'd have anticipated what KD was going to do. YOU WOULD THINK JOD KICKED IT BACK IN TIME! Now facing that firing squad is something to cheer up any opposition and Donegal have nothing to touch him in any respect!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Sept 4, 2014 15:12:03 GMT
No doubt Donegal will target our FB line and goalkeeper given the mishaps in previous games, and against them in 2012. Enright has been caught a few times and Kelly's mistake won't have done his confidence any good. We aren't blessed with any great height in the back 6 so cutting out good supply will be a priority. Saying that, only one of Donegal's goals against Dublin game from a high ball and it could have been dealt with properly by the Dublin back who spilled the ball. Perhaps Aidan O'Mahony will be tasked with keeping the shackles on Murphy? As we will target theirs, can you imagine what will be going through Duncan's head facing JOD, JD, Declan, etc. I've seen him shaking in his boots against us before JOD appeared, so rather him than me. In other words every threat lads speak of apply even more so to our opponents and what we are capable of inflicting on them. Just look at JOD's posture with the power he puts into a kick; the ball for last goal in the drawn game travelled like a bullet, there was 1' between the goalie and the post and the ball coming from JOD's boot 10' away still beat him, in fact from what I saw it hit the net before the poor lad had time to even physically react if you are with me, I.e. he hadn't even moved even though he'd have anticipated what KD was going to do. YOU WOULD THINK JOD KICKED IT BACK IN TIME! Now facing that firing squad is something to cheer up any opposition and Donegal have nothing to touch him in any respect! I agree. I have watched that goal over and over again.
Only JOD could have put it where he did.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 4, 2014 15:18:00 GMT
In fairness Kelly has been wonderful under the high ball during this campaign. He's a solid goal keeper in all aspects and this is borne out in the fact that there isn't much of a mention of him in comparison to Kealy when he was between the sticks. I doubt his confidence was affected by that one mistake. Yeah he has been good under the high ball since he came in and to be fair he did clear another high ball later on against Mayo when he punched instead of trying to catch it. But the heart will be in the mouth if Donegal send in a few bombs.
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Post by dbrown on Sept 4, 2014 20:31:23 GMT
No expence spared by Donegal as three of their players been taken fr Dublin to Donegal for training this evening by hellicopter.
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Post by southward on Sept 4, 2014 20:37:16 GMT
No expence spared by Donegal as three of their players been taken fr Dublin to Donegal for training this evening by hellicopter. That won't help them to keep their feet on the ground
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 4, 2014 21:16:08 GMT
In fairness Kelly has been wonderful under the high ball during this campaign. He's a solid goal keeper in all aspects and this is borne out in the fact that there isn't much of a mention of him in comparison to Kealy when he was between the sticks. I doubt his confidence was affected by that one mistake. Yeah he has been good under the high ball since he came in and to be fair he did clear another high ball later on against Mayo when he punched instead of trying to catch it. But the heart will be in the mouth if Donegal send in a few bombs. Garryowens will be won by the best, Kerry are better than Donegal in the air. It will be JOD bullets at the other end. And AOM won't be tracking Murphy for obvious reasons. Do you think we will win?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2014 22:20:32 GMT
No expence spared by Donegal as three of their players been taken fr Dublin to Donegal for training this evening by hellicopter. That won't help them to keep their feet on the ground They are certainly flying without wings though
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Post by Hicser on Sept 4, 2014 23:18:57 GMT
Yeah he has been good under the high ball since he came in and to be fair he did clear another high ball later on against Mayo when he punched instead of trying to catch it. But the heart will be in the mouth if Donegal send in a few bombs. Garryowens will be won by the best, Kerry are better than Donegal in the air. It will be JOD bullets at the other end. And AOM won't be tracking Murphy for obvious reasons. Do you think we will win? I reckon if both teams play to their potential it will be Kerry by 6 or 7 points, while all the tactics have to be right, I believe Kerry have better players that should see them through,
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 5, 2014 1:21:10 GMT
Garryowens will be won by the best, Kerry are better than Donegal in the air. It will be JOD bullets at the other end. And AOM won't be tracking Murphy for obvious reasons. Do you think we will win? I reckon if both teams play to their potential it will be Kerry by 6 or 7 points, while all the tactics have to be right, I believe Kerry have better players that should see them through, I'd be thinking the same way.
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Post by kerry4life on Sept 5, 2014 12:42:52 GMT
In that regard is it time for the Championship to be an open draw like the FA cup in England for example. Give counties who've never been in a final the chance to get there. I know it throws up the problem of there being no provincial finals each year. Thoughts ? Hard to know, I think if they were to go down this road a championship league would be better with top 4 teams making semis. This of course would be worse for the weaker counties as you would have to have divisions as it would be impossible to match up everybody in a league. So top teams in Tier 1 and weaker teams in Tier 2.So that would mean the weaker teams could not play for Sam which would be a shame. A knock out fa cup system could throw up to many big games early in the summer and too many big teams could be out very early, no point weaker teams getting to semis and finals and getting hammered. But a league basis with the top teams would throw up many good games in the summer. Love the munster final though so if this is to be sacrificied which it almost would have to be I would be slow to change the system. Interesting all the same, Micky Harte wanted a system where if you won provincial title you should be rewarded so if you were a provincial winner and knocked out in the quater final you should have another bite of the cherry. I think he had a good point here. Don't ask me how they would work it but more emphysis should be put on winning the provincial championship. Obviously would have had no bearing in 2014 championship but it would be nice to get a reward for winning the provincial championship.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Sept 5, 2014 13:52:14 GMT
It will all come down to who can get their inside line more involved in the game. I would start with O Brien, Geaney and James. They can all win their own ball and are all capable of scoring goals when given good ball. The least we can expect from them is they draw a free. Our middle 8 will have to be up for the task and I have no doubt but they will. Geaney, Declan and Donncadh on the half line with Moran and Maher in the middle. The halfback line picks itself now surely with Fionn, Crowley and Murphy. Marc has played himself back in and his experience will be invaluable along with AOM. Enright and Young to fight out the last defensive spot. I like Enright but after the last day does Killian look the safer option here? Kelly in goal. His one mistake the last day shouldn't inconvenience him. For me I would not start Kieran Donaghy. I love the guy to bits both as a man and a Gaelic Footballer. How sad would it be to see the tactics not working and Star being called ashore? Whereas what a roar we would get if the inside line was struggling and he is sprung early.? I know if he starts and causes wreck then I would have to eat humble pie. but I would gladly. On fine margins it will all depend, and of course what is going on in training. Eamon and Co. have a wonderful headache. Hopefully all injuries will be clear and we have a full panel to pick from. I will probably be changing my mind a few times between now and then while reading the pros and cons on here. It will matter not to the "Real Deal" but look at the fun we are having and aren't we blessed to be building up to another final. Mighty men indeed. I think we are a different animal now than we were in the 2012 quarter final. Has to be a Kerry win doesn't it?
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Sept 5, 2014 14:00:42 GMT
In that regard is it time for the Championship to be an open draw like the FA cup in England for example. Give counties who've never been in a final the chance to get there. I know it throws up the problem of there being no provincial finals each year. Thoughts ? Hard to know, I think if they were to go down this road a championship league would be better with top 4 teams making semis. This of course would be worse for the weaker counties as you would have to have divisions as it would be impossible to match up everybody in a league. So top teams in Tier 1 and weaker teams in Tier 2.So that would mean the weaker teams could not play for Sam which would be a shame. A knock out fa cup system could throw up to many big games early in the summer and too many big teams could be out very early, no point weaker teams getting to semis and finals and getting hammered. But a league basis with the top teams would throw up many good games in the summer. Love the munster final though so if this is to be sacrificied which it almost would have to be I would be slow to change the system. Interesting all the same, Micky Harte wanted a system where if you won provincial title you should be rewarded so if you were a provincial winner and knocked out in the quater final you should have another bite of the cherry. I think he had a good point here. Don't ask me how they would work it but more emphysis should be put on winning the provincial championship. Obviously would have had no bearing in 2014 championship but it would be nice to get a reward for winning the provincial championship. Every time this comes up about the Provincial winners the answer has to be the same. To make them more attractive the winners should automatically have a choice of venue. Obviously a home tie would be a huge carrot and would revitalise the provincial championships.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2014 21:01:33 GMT
by Alan Foley in the Donegal Democrat
Ultimately, only one statistic counts: Donegal 3-14 Dublin 0-17.
But it didn’t happen by chance. Donegal sometimes play with the franticness of an ice-hockey team but they possess the deliberateness of a chess player. It’s a trait that has come with experience and belief in their manager’s procurements.
When Jim McGuinness’s side lost the 2011 All-Ireland semi-final to Dublin, 0-8 to 0-6, the Donegal manager admitted the contest came too early into their existence.
“Our development wasn’t far enough down the track to be able to compete at that level with Dublin,” he said on Sunday. “But the lesson was we only kicked six points and what we aimed to do today was to marry a very good defensive structure with a very good attacking one and for me that’s what sport is all about.
“It’s not about all-out attack or all-out defence, it’s about both and today we got both of them right.”
Dublin ran up an average 28.75 points per match in their lead-up to Sunday’s All-Ireland semi-final. They overcome Laois 2-21 to 0-16 in their Leinster quarter-final before posting a 2-25 to 1-12 victory over Wexford.
A 52nd provincial title was clinched following a 3-20 to 1-10 defeat of Meath and Monaghan, beaten Ulster finalists, were their All-Ireland quarter-final victims, 2-22 to 0-11.
Therefore, Dublin’s winning margins were 11 points, 15, 16 and 17. Their highest concession in a single gameunder Jim Gavin was 18 points, the 2-12 Mayo scored in last year’s All-Ireland final.
McGuinness is a horses for courses type of manager. Throughout this year’s championship he has proven the need to adapt, whilst his team still possess the basic core values that have become increasingly embedded over the last four years.
Composure is the key differential since 2011.
Comparing Donegal’s 0-15 to 1-9 Ulster final win over Monaghan to Dublin’s 17-point victory over the same team was never a useful tool.
Malachy O’Rourke’s side were on a downward spiral having failed to retain their provincial title and had scraped past Kildare 2-16 to 2-14 in a fourth round qualifier after extra-time in miserable conditions. It was their first championship win at Croke Park since 1930.
Monaghan competed manfully until the 25th minute when Dublin made use of a channel of opportunity after Colin Walshe tried to run off what proved to be a cruciate injury. Diarmuid Connolly goaled, as Bernard Brogan did three minutes later.
The goals, considered Dublin’s forte, lifted Croke Park’s decibel level and Monaghan’s heads dropped as their deficit rose. Denying these concessions, from a Donegal perspective, was imperative.
What was apparent was Dublin’s ferociousness in pushing up and harassing defenders as Monaghan sought to come from deep.
All too often Monaghan were turned over in dangerous positions, although on the occasional time they did break through the first wave of challenges, there was a chance to run into open spaces.
However, Monaghan opted to use this space to kick into a suffocated Conor McManus, while as McGuinness watched on he would’ve noted Donegal’s natural breaking game, running with ball in hand, would provide a possible anecdote if executed well enough.
Dublin, despite being defensively content to swarm up top, were man-for-man at the back.
The decision of Monaghan not to contest Stephen Cluxton’s kick-outs also gave Dublin a chance to get into the running game and build a head of steam.
Donegal won only three of Cluxon’s kick-outs but the possession Dublin won was hard-fought.
On Sunday, Donegal possessed a similar defensive shape as they had done in 2011.
One difference was Neil Gallagher, initially, was Colm McFadden’s partner up front. Michael Murphy started deep, but as expected was given license to roam as he saw fit.
It was apparent from early on that Donegal were content to let Dublin shoot from distance, not allowing themselves to be drawn out and leave spaces in behind.
One thing that stands out from the first half in particular from the 2011 semi-final was the sloppiness of Donegal’s breaks, with a litany of unforced errors compared with the contemporaries, who are much more patient and controlled in possession; able to work it slowly or at speed when the necessity arises.
Even when Paul Flynn and Connolly in particular boomed over a series of eye-catching points, McGuinness, although not overly content, was aware that it was a method that wouldn’t be sustainable.
Dublin had won six – two clean and four secondary – of Donegal’s first eight kick-outs but would only win one more all game.
Paul Durcan’s save from Connolly on 24 minutes was vital, as it prevented Dublin from moving seven ahead, 1-8 to 0-4, and preserved the aim of keeping the sheet clean behind the blanket.
Therefore, McGuinness’s policies drilled in at the five-day training camp at Johnstown House were still alive, as was the players’ confidence in the plan.
Even by the time Donegal found themselves 0-9 to 0-4 down, there were inklings of their intentions from an offensive perspective.
Christy Toye’s introduction brought a competent ball-carrier and within seconds the St Michael’s player had gone on a lung-busting run to set up Ryan McHugh to point.
That score and Durcan’s save was, when assessing retrospectively, the period of the match when Donegal came to life.
Connolly kicked a wide with the outside of his right foot and Flynn, soon afterwards, ballooned an effort short into the Durcan’s hands.
There was the sea-change moment at centre-field, where Donegal would go onto win 14 contested aerial balls cleanly to Dublin’s nine.
Odhrán MacNiallais and Murphy’s points, both eye-catching in their own right, meant Donegal had three in succession.
Toye’s turnover of Michael Dara Macauley on the half-hour was Donegal’s 10th of the half and greeted as vociferously as a score.
McHugh’s goal, after his unadulterated run from midfield on 33 minutes, meant Donegal led 1-7 to 0-9.
With Murphy lurking in the square, Rory Kavanagh’s ball in caused consternation in the Dublin defence and the Donegal skipper disposed Michael Fitzsimons, with Colm McFadden winning the break before setting up McHugh to shoot past Cluxton.
Both teams traded scores as the half ended Donegal 1-8 to Dublin’s 0-10.
Dublin, who had only scored two points from play three years beforehand, had 10 first half scores from play on Sunday, with Flynn firing over four and Connolly three.
Gavin’s team had thrown all they had at Donegal but a bit like Cork in the 2012 All-Ireland semi-final, still found themselves a point down at the break.
“The one thing we asked for before the game was honesty and the one thing we asked for at half-time was honesty and we got that,” McGuinness said.
“When you’ve got that, that gives you a platform to try to deliver your performance and that’s what happened.”
With a Dublin onslaught expected, Donegal’s response was to cement their existing strategy.
Their diligent defensive priorities coupled with breaks in numbers. Dublin couldn’t live with the stream coming towards Hill 16.
McHugh slapped home a second goal when found by Anthony Thompson after Murphy dragged Rory O’Carroll from the square.
If there was one moment that silver-lined Donegal’s approach it was McFadden’s goal on 46 minutes.
A simple overhead slap from Murphy unhinged the entire Dublin defence and by the time MacNiallais had laid over to McFadden, who side-stepped Cluxton to score, Donegal had five players in the Dublin square.
McHugh, untracked, was denied a hat-trick by an excellent Cluxton save at the expense of a point after McFadden and Frank McGlynn had both made their minds up to go for points when goal was an option.
It wasn’t until the 66th minute, when Connolly blazed wide in front of the Davin Stand that Dublin managed to get a second half shot off from inside of Donegal’s 20-metre line.
Dublin scored 17 times from 35 shots for a conversion rate of 48 per cent.
Donegal’s 17 scores, including 3-10 from play, came from 25 efforts.
Their 68 per cent success rate is the highest of any team since such records began being totted three years ago.
With both teams having kicked four wides in the first half, Donegal added only two more compared to Dublin’s 10.
With 106 contact tackles, Donegal had 25 more than Dublin. This is a statistic that must be paralleled with a 52 per cent possession McGuinness’s side enjoyed over the hour – a decent return considering it was only 31 per cent on 20 minutes.
“I believe that every game is winnable if you get everything right and you’ve got the right attitude,” McGuinness said.
“One thing you can’t fault is the character of these lads. Our preparations and focus was very good going into game. I’m just privileged to be working with them.”
The 7/1 outsiders had pulled off a massive ambush.
Eamon McGee said afterwards that it was a little like the ‘Rumble in the Jungle’ when, in 1974 in Zaire, Muhammad Ali opted to take punches from George Foreman, as means of wearing the then world heavyeight champion out. Ali then picked his moment to go on the offensive and win. It is heralded as the ‘rope-a-dope’ technique.
Foreman’s attack wore down his defence. When it wasn’t enough to crack the opponent, he cracked himself.
Ten years earlier, Ali, then known as Cassius Clay, defeated Sonny Liston to win the world heavyweight title for the first time at Miami Beach.
Clay wasn’t as muted in his confidence but entered the ring as, yes, the 7-1 outsider.
A bit like the man they call ‘The Greatest,’ on Sunday Donegal fooled the world.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2014 22:09:40 GMT
It is startling to look closely at the second half of the Dublin v Donegal semi final.
Look at the view from the camera behind the Hill after the second and third goals are scored.
When Donegal start both attacks, there is only one blue shirt in dublins half.
Dublin got sucked out of their own half virtually en masse.
There were other similar examples that yielded points
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Post by sidelined on Sept 5, 2014 23:03:27 GMT
Garryowens will be won by the best, Kerry are better than Donegal in the air. It will be JOD bullets at the other end. And AOM won't be tracking Murphy for obvious reasons. Do you think we will win? I reckon if both teams play to their potential it will be Kerry by 6 or 7 points, while all the tactics have to be right, I believe Kerry have better players that should see them through, we got caught before by tyrone by claiming individually we had better players than them , same i suspect dublin were caught out by donegal . we don't want players going for all stars we want a team to win an all ireland
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 5, 2014 23:09:50 GMT
It is startling to look closely at the second half of the Dublin v Donegal semi final. Look at the view from the camera behind the Hill after the second and third goals are scored. When Donegal start both attacks, there is only one blue shirt in dublins half. Dublin got sucked out of their own half virtually en masse. There were other similar examples that yielded points It reminds me of Dick Fitzgerald's book and how to draw opponent players towards you. Donegal's mass defence means teams need to shout from further out but it also seems to draw teams into a false sense of security that it is okay to go forward with the whole team as the game is being played in their half. I suppose it is all part of McGuinness' plan to draw teams out and make it easier for Donegal to defeat them on the counter.
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Post by Deise Exile on Sept 6, 2014 6:56:14 GMT
If any wonders whether we can beat Donegal and whether or not star can have an impact watch this you tube clip. Plenty of evidence in even these few minutes to suggest an in form star will have a massive positive effect
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 6, 2014 8:03:27 GMT
If any wonders whether we can beat Donegal and whether or not star can have an impact watch this you tube clip. Plenty of evidence in even these few minutes to suggest an in form star will have a massive positive effect The thing I got from that clip is how effective Donegal are in sticking to their plan and despite all Kerry threw at them still managed to hold on. Kerry's shots came from far out and were rushed whereas Donegal ran the ball almost to the back line before taking the shot. Again in that clip you can see what happens if they draw the complete defence into attack. They simple ran across the field finding nobody defending. In rugby union, and even more so in rugby league, a garryowen is used as an offensive weapon as a player attacking needs to turn around and start running back before he can start defending. Donegal have learned that lesson well and they wait patiently until the filed is open for them to run through.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2014 10:14:42 GMT
some 5 mins of football.
a free could have been easily awarded to Donncha but Marty probably saw it as shoulder to shoulder.
Was JOB subbed at that point..i think he was. Is Paddy Curtin injured or abroad or just out of favour.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2014 10:54:22 GMT
Add Brian kelly, Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitz, Bryan Sheehan, David Moran, Johnny Buckley, Mickey Geaney, Paul Geaney, James O'Donaghue and Declan O'Sullivan to mix, less Tomas O'Se, Paul Galvin and Colm Cooper, plus new focus, new freshness, new hunger, new fitness and the zeal that preparing for a final brings, surely the players will go up believing they will this game. Donegal can't be any better now than they were in 2012, experience apart. It is a huge opportunity for this group to throw their names into the history books. It should be a tactical classic.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2014 10:57:33 GMT
and Jonathan Lyne. So exciting to see a new crop stepping up.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2014 10:59:36 GMT
and Stephen OBrien.
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 6, 2014 14:45:48 GMT
some 5 mins of football. a free could have been easily awarded to Donncha but Marty probably saw it as shoulder to shoulder. Was JOB subbed at that point..i think he was. Is Paddy Curtin injured or abroad or just out of favour. Abroad I believe.. I was at a wedding in Moyvane early in the year and was told he was at that time working in the middle East
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Post by dabomber on Sept 6, 2014 15:48:06 GMT
some 5 mins of football. a free could have been easily awarded to Donncha but Marty probably saw it as shoulder to shoulder. Was JOB subbed at that point..i think he was. Is Paddy Curtin injured or abroad or just out of favour. Abroad I believe.. I was at a wedding in Moyvane early in the year and was told he was at that time working in the middle East He works for leibhear so at times his work can take him abroad I guess
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2014 16:11:46 GMT
McGuinness's tactic of drawing out the opposition is a derivative of what Tadhg Kennelly advocated, i.e. empty the inside forward space and then it is a race to the ball when it is kicked in. Forwards are generally faster than backs and so will win the race and may only have the goalie to beat; at worst they should outnumber the defenders.
Gooch further adapted it, well he would, and in many ways. Eg Goal v Mayo when he received a pass on the verge of the square, with the goals full of defenders and their markers, he simply headed out and his forwards ran away out to the sides, carrying the defenders with them, ah but then he turns and hells bells for Mayo, now I bet that put a smile on the face?
I live in Donegal and I knew they would win in '12 and possibly for similar reasons that Pat Spillane picked up on when he visited us after the event. I can't be specific but you just sensed it, and then there might have been a few give-away signs, maybe we have football instinct? No, I was not being wise after the event and people close to me up here could testify. Anyway the relevant point is that I get that same if stronger feeling this time around, but it is about Kerry.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you guys who are based in Kerry have nothing to compare us to; we are so advanced, I can see differences that stem from changes from as far back as ones that Dwyer made, so it is a maintenance job since as other barriers are overcome, while most other counties fall behind. Ok, McGuinness will have some strategies from Celtic soccer up his sleeve, but all that stuff is old hat as we see it on TV. How many of us realise that Donegal is 60%+ soccer?
At the end of the day, tactics need soldiers and we have better soldiers; a few of us Kerry exiles up here have identified a tactic of Fitzy's that may well play a wee role v Donegal on the 21st, mums the word for the moment! I'd say there are more, as they'd say in Finuge, 'there's more to him than would catch the eye'.
Some 'prophets' think Donegal will torment JO'D out of the game; just watch Fitzy pre-empt this! As a good biut far from great goalie, Durcan could be no match for our sublime James.
And of course it is a team effort; wan of our own above questions our 'sum of the parts' capability; hey man, just look at the jersey, Kerry Group! Marc personified this, we don't drop the jaw no matter what record we have, teamwork is intrinsic to what we are made of. You don't win 36 without such basics. What I am really looking forward to is winning a bear fight, we wouldn't want it any other way, just like we wanted Lee Keegan back. No excuses!
And by the way I hope I'm not 'over contributing here', pity poor me here in enemy territory! Ah looking forward to bragging rights for another 12 months. Na, in fairness it is harder to handle being a good winner as Paidi told us, and Donegal folk were good winners. This winter won't be so hard for them!
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seamo
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Post by seamo on Sept 6, 2014 16:23:13 GMT
ammmmmmmm I'm not in the country anymore, so does that mean I'm smarter than you when it comes to Kerry football?!!!! haha I guess proverbial man on the moon is the most knowledgable man of all when it comes to Kerry GAA!! lol And the AFL thing is old news. It wasn't Armagh or Mickey Harte that came up with the blanket defence, that's an old favourite of AFL teams, and they had the debates about rule changes to combat it long before we did. Donegal ain't the world capital for innovation in sports tactics!!
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