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Post by buck02 on Aug 31, 2007 9:11:58 GMT
Watching the match again I reckon that Dublin took Sherlock off before he was sent off. He was involved in an awful lot of the sh!te that went on in the first half. Which isnt like him to be honest. And as was already mentioned here, Marc must have been wound up to the last, I've never before seen him get so aggressive, maybe it was because he was marking a mate of his and he was told he couldnt be Mr Nice, but I've never seen him square up to guys after frees were given etc. as much as he did the last day.
The more you see of Sean Sullivans point and Declans last point the better they look. That short handpassing game that Kerry do in the warm up, and obviously a lot at training, really came to the fore there.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 31, 2007 10:40:02 GMT
totally agree there. I counted how many passes they were before the last point, 18. the execution of the point was so relaxed, more like he dinked it over. given the context it was just incredible.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 31, 2007 12:02:31 GMT
i agree rashers laois are very bitter towards the dubs, in all my years following our great games i have never heard as much whinging as laois did after the leinster final, they should take a leaf from kerrys and meaths book over the years when playing dublin and fight fire with fire, so no synpathy here laois man. In all fairness they had good reason to give out ... Dublin were deplorable - They realised Laois were a treat and in the "Good old fashioned " Jackeen way - they clattered all around them. ... as for not hearing as much whinging in all your years ... you should hear the Dubs - not just this week but every time we played them in the Championship with the last 30 years! Tá mo cheann bocht bodhar acu! I see, so Dublin have beaten Laois the last 3 (twice beaten them out the park) years by "clattering all about them"? This is the kind of blatant begrudgery of everything to do with Dublin football that is so funny. Yet it's only when Dublin lose another great game that people like you will say, "Oh they played some nice football" (laced with the usual caveats about dirty play). Fact is Riocht, Dublin have played more clean football than most other counties over the past 6 years, that includes Kerry of more recent vintage. Ta do chosa i mbeal agat
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Post by ogie on Aug 31, 2007 12:04:17 GMT
In fairness to charlie redmond on off the ball the other night , he said it was the best point he has ever seen in croke park,
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Post by Piggy on Aug 31, 2007 14:45:30 GMT
i thought Scanlon had it lost once but fair play to him he drew three dublin players on him and offloaded it.opened up alot of space in the process.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 31, 2007 15:41:55 GMT
I must have watched it five or six times on Setanta archive at this stage and it just gets better and better. Scanlon nearly did lose it, and only for that it would be perfection. However, this is just pure joy.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 31, 2007 20:22:02 GMT
Paul Curran has a superb piece in todays herald about Paul Caffrey........
In a nutshell, he says he should go and makes a compelling case for it
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 31, 2007 22:23:09 GMT
Well what did Caffrey do wrong? When players like Vaughan and Sherlock are amongst the best 6 forwards in your county then you're going to struggle up front. No manager could turn those players into a Cooper or a Donaghy
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Post by ogie on Sept 1, 2007 11:25:26 GMT
i would not be hard on caffery , kery are simply a better team than dublin with better players . but last years loss to mayo caffrey has to take the blame for that, some of the switches he made that day was crazy to say the least, dublin are 3 or 4 players short you just have to look at their bench they have no strenght in depth , not even the great jack o connor would have taken dublin over the line.
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Post by tomdoodle on Sept 1, 2007 18:48:13 GMT
mrtierneyesq: Measaimse go bhfuil do chosa i do shuile agus i do chluasa: You write and I quote 'Dublin have played more clean football than most other counties over the past 6 years' Have you read the papers? listened to the TV? read the the forum comments? listened to comments from all over Ireland? Are they are all out of step but for your Johnny? You cannot take what SOME of the Dublin players did on the field on Sunday last away from their style of football. Its an insult to the GAA and should have no part in it. You are entitled to your opinion but I suggest that your use of the words 'clean' and 'most other counties' in your context was in my opinion inappropriate.
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Post by Hoffster on Sept 1, 2007 19:15:03 GMT
I heard a few interesting bites this week.
Dublin made 22 substitutions duruing champo.ONLY 2 were defenders!! Both Paul Casey (V Offaly and ??) when Dubs were coasting.
Not sure how accurate this one is....COLLY MORAN didn't touch the ball in the match.Not good or a captain when you look at Dec
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2007 20:07:32 GMT
I cant remember Collie Moran touching the ball......... not good for a forward.......... I can see why he was left on!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2007 21:12:09 GMT
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 1, 2007 21:54:40 GMT
I must have watched it five or six times on Setanta archive at this stage and it just gets better and better. Scanlon nearly did lose it, and only for that it would be perfection. However, this is just pure joy. Have you got the link to that archive stacks?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 2, 2007 5:10:40 GMT
I have the North American link falvey, which serves the Caribbean, but go into Setanta's website, then into broadband.....then you have to log in and from there you chose the GAA archive.
PM me and I'll send you on my login details.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2007 7:39:41 GMT
mrtierneyesq: Measaimse go bhfuil do chosa i do shuile agus i do chluasa: You write and I quote 'Dublin have played more clean football than most other counties over the past 6 years' Have you read the papers? listened to the TV? read the the forum comments? listened to comments from all over Ireland? Are they are all out of step but for your Johnny? You cannot take what SOME of the Dublin players did on the field on Sunday last away from their style of football. Its an insult to the GAA and should have no part in it. You are entitled to your opinion but I suggest that your use of the words 'clean' and 'most other counties' in your context was in my opinion inappropriate. I stand by what I said, of the top teams, Dublin have been the least cynical
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2007 8:17:20 GMT
I would have said Mayo are the least cynical.
Is goading of opponents being cynical? From a human perspective it looks awful......... Mossy Quinn got it from Ryan McMenamin in 2005 after missing a few frees.
Its a pity that Dublin decided to try it on this year. It appears that it may have been the policy of management to use this as a lot of players did it.
Unless you are 8 points ahead its a dubious tactic. It certainly spurred Declan o Sullivan on.
I would not describe Dublin as cynical........ if you exclude the aforementioned goading. Clueless yes. If its true that Collie Moran did not touch the ball and he was left on while Bernard Brogan was replaced............ I rest my case
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Post by dart on Sept 2, 2007 12:41:28 GMT
How are Kerry "cynical"; and what does it even mean anyway?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 2, 2007 20:09:55 GMT
i would not be hard on caffery , kery are simply a better team than dublin with better players . but last years loss to mayo caffrey has to take the blame for that, some of the switches he made that day was crazy to say the least, dublin are 3 or 4 players short you just have to look at their bench they have no strenght in depth , not even the great jack o connor would have taken dublin over the line. If it was as simple as that, then Offaly wouldnt have won in 82, Donegal wouldnt have won in 92, Down in 94, Dublin in 95, Meath in 96, and other examples. DUblin have good players to bring in, but they werent used. We dont have the strength in depth of Kerry, but we are as good as any other team out there Caffrey made some important mistakes again,in my opinion, but I think it would be difficult if he left now
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2007 20:15:11 GMT
Did you read Paul Currans piece in the herald on friday. He says that certain players are sure of their place under caffrey......... no matter how they play......... it looks that way too.
Jack o Connor said as much when he said that players had to prove themselves all over again to a new manager in Pat o Shea.
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Post by shennanigan on Sept 3, 2007 4:39:01 GMT
Does anyone know if Tom Humphries had another article in relation to the Kerry Dublin game in the times during the week? Ireland.com show that he has an article relating to kerry at the moment but im not sure if its an older one or not. Could somebody please post it if its a new one?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 3, 2007 18:34:34 GMT
I would have said Mayo are the least cynical. Is goading of opponents being cynical? From a human perspective it looks awful......... Mossy Quinn got it from Ryan McMenamin in 2005 after missing a few frees. Its a pity that Dublin decided to try it on this year. It appears that it may have been the policy of management to use this as a lot of players did it. Unless you are 8 points ahead its a dubious tactic. It certainly spurred Declan o Sullivan on. I would not describe Dublin as cynical........ if you exclude the aforementioned goading. Clueless yes. If its true that Collie Moran did not touch the ball and he was left on while Bernard Brogan was replaced............ I rest my case Not sure if I'd call it cynical, silly yes, theatrical & unseemly. Also done in less obvious ways by players of all counties, even the pure knights in shining armour from Kerry. The all-time great & renowned role model & ambassador of the game, Seamas Moynihan did it to Vinnie Murphy, but there wasnt reams of press and hundreds of letters about it. Was there anything about it? Was he the only one to ever have done it before Ricey? I think you're getting confused with last year, two or three did it, this year a different 2 or 3 did it Declan O'SUllivan was playing great all summer, I said on here earlier this summer he was your best forward. Did Kerry's more subtle goading and sly digs inspire the Dublin players? Yes, to a certain extent, though it upset some players composure. Therefore which was worse, the open and honest stuff, or the sneaky stuff? Doing it when well ahead would be pure stupid arrogance, I'm sure that was never the purpose, more so heat of the battle stuff Regarding Collie Moran, I certainly recall him having, passing & receiving the ball, so I'm not sure where that claim came from, I'm sure it wasnt a Kerry exaggeration, whatever else it was. Certainly Collie Moran was never in the game as a forward threat, though I'm sure his role was always going to be defensive, as we had all advocated I saw a comment somewhere on here, or was it the great Jack O'Connor, something about how some Kerry players dont have to touch the ball or get scores to have done a really good job, something about this proving that Kerry know all the right tactics?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 3, 2007 18:43:36 GMT
How are Kerry "cynical"; and what does it even mean anyway? I'm fully aware of the long-running argument from Cork about Kerry being cynical, and the long-running argument from Kerry about "Northern Football" being cynical, so I dont want this discussion dragged into those arguments. My point about cynical play, that is deliberate fouling, diving, play-acting, intimidating the ref etc, is that Kerry do as much as anyone, and that's in answer to all the people who come on here whingeing about "Dublin's dirty play", "bringing the game into disrepute with unsportsmanlike goading and show-boating", and "the ref was unfair to us". If people are going to come out with that, yet not aknowledge their own team's faults, then this tit-for-tat clos scoile caht will carry on going round in circles. No bother buddies, as it's actually a much more interesting topic of conversation than Kerry v Cork
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 3, 2007 19:03:50 GMT
Did you read Paul Currans piece in the herald on friday. He says that certain players are sure of their place under caffrey......... no matter how they play......... it looks that way too. Jack o Connor said as much when he said that players had to prove themselves all over again to a new manager in Pat o Shea. I think Curraner could be right, we have feared that might be the case. My theory was that Caffrey wanted a very stable team. It doesnt make sense that he wouldnt try to use all the best players available, at this level, very hard to get away with that without it causing serious grief and lack of unity within the squad, and there's no evidence of that after 3 years, and 6 altogether for Caffrey. So the suggestion could in fact be seen as mischievous
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 4, 2007 8:15:42 GMT
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