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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 27, 2007 22:49:13 GMT
Having read numerous articles analysing the game it is very apparent that the main focus is on Dublin losing and not Kerry winning! Check it out , most articles go on about Dublin conceding 1-5 or 1-6 and pinpointing that as a reason that Dublin lost the game. Another reason was Cluxton or the ref not allowing advantage when Ryan was fouled.
Ok they say that Kerry deserved the win but merely gloss over the reasons why Kerry deserved it.
You have to question journalists' professionalism - this imbalanced reporting is nothing new but it still grates.
Eugene Magee didn't even get the number of AI titles Kerry hold, coming up 1 short! His article also did not give the full details of Kerry scorers. At least in the version of the paper which I got today.
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Post by peig on Aug 27, 2007 22:59:40 GMT
Just watched the game there again on Setanta. Did any of you see Gooch going to shake - I think it was Collie Moran's hand at the end of the game. Looks like Collie ignored him. When Gooch went to hug a fellow Kerry player, I could have sworn he said (of Moran): "He's a right fcuker." Anyone who has it recorded, could they recheck this for the laugh?
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Post by jackiel on Aug 27, 2007 23:06:54 GMT
Just watched the game again on Setanta - the highlights on The Sunday Game dont give you the real picture. and it always looks so different on TV than live. I'm still hyper after the excitement of it all- the team are a credit to the County & those of us beyond. As I live on the Meath/Dublin border and have quite a neutral accent I stood out like a sore thumb shouting for Kerry in the Hogan but felt it was my duty to try & out-shout those around me.
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Post by peig on Aug 27, 2007 23:08:19 GMT
Ard bhean a Pheig a chailín - bhaineas ana thaithneamh ar fad as d'eachtra i mBláth Cliath! Bhaineas fhéinig ana thaitneamh as m'eachtra i mBleá Cliath!! Tá súil le Dia agam gur mar sin a bheidh i gcoinne Langeracha na Laoi!!
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Post by kerryeye on Aug 27, 2007 23:42:56 GMT
Just watched the game there again on Setanta. Did any of you see Gooch going to shake - I think it was Collie Moran's hand at the end of the game. Looks like Collie ignored him. When Gooch went to hug a fellow Kerry player, I could have sworn he said (of Moran): "He's a right fcuker." Anyone who has it recorded, could they recheck this for the laugh? Just checked that out Peig,Moran shook Goochs hand so dont think gooch said anything about him.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 28, 2007 0:02:08 GMT
First of all ....... hard luck rashers........ hope you got a ticket...... heard there was someone in pink there alright What a monster of a match....... an epic...... what an occasion In ten years time Killian Young and Padraig Reidy and Brian Sheehan and Darren o Sullivan will be playing for Kerry and that pleases me more than anything. The future must be protected and young players must be introduced even if some older players dont like it. John Bannon as expected was worth 4 points to Dublin. This was one of Kerrys greatest ever victories........ my head is still thumping from it. When leadership was needed , there were leaders all over the place..... none more so that Donaghy..... what a man. From way back I have been a fan of Declan and now he is heading to a place occupied by Pat Spillane in Kerry folklore. As usual Dublin made crazy substitutions......... they took off their most likely goal scorer in Sherlock and their best point taker in Bernard Brogan. Then Cluxton...... and he is supposed to be the best in Ireland. Dublin are not far away though. I thought the analysis and discussion in the lead up to the game on this forum was first class......... varying shades of opinion and fears and hopes .........everyone with the one thing in mind....... to help Kerry.......... Well done And finally thank heavens for the Gooch........ Thanks for the commiserations. Where are you going with your "worth 4 points" nonsense, have you looked at the game on the telly? I'd hate to think what you'd come out with if Kerry lost! Come back to me when you've looked at every incident without the green & gold specs
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Post by peig on Aug 28, 2007 0:04:04 GMT
Dear John Bannon,
I must congratulate you on a wonderful performance of lawmanship during yesterday's All-Ireland Semi-Final between Kerry and Dublin. The sheer wisdom, understanding and right-judgment you received as gifts from the Holy Ghost at your confirmation were truly evident. There are just a few little matters that I would like to question, and 'patience' being another benefaction bestowed by the Holy Ghost, I'm sure you'll bear with me.
After seventeen minutes of the game, Declan O'Sullivan went to ground after scoring a point. While on the ground, he was goaded by a Dublin player. You awarded O'Sullivan a yellow card. As the reason for your decision wasn't evident from the TV highlights, I'd like an explanation.
A minute later at the other end of the pitch, Ciarán Whelan (he was the big guy in the blue jersey wearing number eight, remember?) blatantly punched Paul Galvin off the ball in the lead up to Alan Brogan's point. You probably missed this altercation. But I didn't. And neither did your linesman who refused to call it to your attention. Maybe you should give him a call to discuss the matter.
You awarded a free (a correct decision) after Paul Galvin fouled Jason Sherlock after about twenty six minutes of the game. But if you rewind the tape to just before Galvin committed the foul, you should see that Tommy Griffin's jersey was being pulled by Alan Brogan. It's obvious that you didn't see this either. But, again, your linesman did. And so did 82,157 people.
Circa the thirty minute mark, you awarded a yellow card to Alan Brogan. Again, if you restudy your VHS, you'll see that it was in fact Jason Sherlock who flicked Aidan O'Mahoney in the face.
Later, Declan O'Sullivan was AGAIN clearly fouled. You awarded a free to Dublin. This decision of yours, I just cannot comprehend at all (and never will, by the way).
Circa thirty five minutes, Tommy Griffin looked like he was fouled from where I was sitting in the Lower Hogan (and from where I was sitting on my own couch watching the replay). But your whistle remained silent.
Your whistle wasn't so silent about two minutes later when you blew against Eoin Brosnan for an apparent injustice on Shane Ryan. Eoin Brosnan was trying to flake the ball out of Ryan's hands at the time. Since when was this action not allowed in the game?
With forty three minutes gone, a Kerry back - I think it was Pádraig Reidy (my eyesight isn't that great, I'm sure you understand) - clearly pulled Mark Vaughan's jersey. Would I be correct in saying that this is an offence and Dublin should have been awarded a free?
With the game almost over, Ciarán Whelan was seen by 82,157 people to commit a dangerous, high tackle on Darren O'Sullivan. Even though time was nearly up, you still took the trouble to call him aside...and award him a yellow card. Did you get your colours mixed up?
Thank you for taking the time to read this. And again, congratulations on a memorable display. I would actually rate it above your performance during the Armagh v Kerry game of 2000. You're a legend. And your name will always be remembered in Kerry.
Yours truly, Peig
P.S. Maybe you should come to Kerry on your holidays next year?
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Post by peig on Aug 28, 2007 0:06:52 GMT
Just watched the game there again on Setanta. Did any of you see Gooch going to shake - I think it was Collie Moran's hand at the end of the game. Looks like Collie ignored him. When Gooch went to hug a fellow Kerry player, I could have sworn he said (of Moran): "He's a right fcuker." Anyone who has it recorded, could they recheck this for the laugh? Just checked that out Peig,Moran shook Goochs hand so dont think gooch said anything about him. I don't mean to be pedantic, but maybe it wasn't Moran. If you see what Gooch says to the other Kerry player, his lips seem to utter the words I've mentioned above.
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Post by binladen on Aug 28, 2007 0:17:37 GMT
stats from d game:
PLAYERS WHO HANDLED D BALL D MOST: 25 s scanlon 23 star 21 declan 18 gooh and t o se
assists: k young 2 sheehan brosnan 2 gooch star 3
frees conceeded kerry 27 dublin 17
breaks won: star griffen brosnan 4 c moran, keany, cullen 3 whelan 5 s ryan 8
kick outs
total: 50 kick outs
kerry won first 5 k/o of d game.
kerry won 21 dublin won 29
kerry won 10 of their own 23 k/o and 11 of dublins 27 k/o.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 28, 2007 6:46:07 GMT
From the examiner: 28 August 2007 www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=41045-qqqx=1.aspNo place for GAA ‘gougerism’ By Colm O’Connor and Jackie Cahill GAA disciplinary chiefs will tonight review video evidence of Sunday’s ill-tempered All-Ireland SFC semi-final between Kerry and Dublin. Referees co-ordinator Pierce Freaney described some of the incidents as “gougerism”, while the Competition Controls Committee chairman Jimmy Dunne vowed that: “anything that brings discredit on our games will be looked at”. A number of off-the-ball incidents, mass bust-ups and ‘taunting’ of opposition players blighted the sell-out Croke Park clash and referee John Bannon issued no fewer than 13 yellow cards. Dublin players and supporters were incensed after an apparent altercation between Paul Galvin and Paul Casey which left the Dublin player holding his head. However, neither is likely to face punishment as the alleged incident was not captured by RTÉ’s cameras at the game. Explained Dunne: “It is very difficult to punish a player if an incident is not captured by the television cameras. You have to back up any claims of wrongdoing. When you look at it, we have four umpires, two linesmen and a referee in Gaelic games. “If they didn’t see anything and if it is not captured on video, then it is virtually impossible to prove. A lot of people come away from a game with a different story of an event. It is very difficult to have any clear unambiguous evidence. “If Dublin, or any team, claim that one of their players was struck, they would need video evidence to back up the claim and then we would ask the match officials to consider that evidence and proceed from there.” He added: “We look at replays of every match. So tonight we will look at the minor and the senior semi-finals. I was in Croke Park on Sunday, saw the games live, but have yet to see the replays. But if there is anything which needs further examination, then we will do that.” Dunne agreed that the ill-tempered episode midway through the first half were a concern. “Some times these things look much worse than they actually are, but we will study the footage again and take action if we deem it necessary.” Dunne also praised referee John Bannon for his handing of the game. “I thought he did a very good job. There was a lot at stake for both teams and Kerry/Dublin games mean that the atmosphere will be especially tense, not just on the field, but through the whole stadium. John dealt with it very capably and made the right call with practically all his decisions. I am very happy with the performance of the match officials this year and happy that training going on with referee’s co-ordinator Pierce Freaney in Croke Park is reaping rewards.” The GAA’s National Referees Committee also launched a stout defence of Bannon’s handling of the game. RTÉ’s ‘Sunday Game’ TV panel of Paul Curran, Dara Ó Cinnéide and Tony Davis also backed Bannon after he was heavily criticised by Joe Brolly in the post-match analysis. Referees spokesman Fr Seamus Gardiner said: “There was a perception that John may have been hard on Kerry, but, after watching the video of the game again, Dara agreed that some of the frees he felt were doubtful were in fact frees. Pat Spillane summed it up when he asked the panellists if they felt that John did OK and they said ‘yes’. It was a difficult game to referee and a lot of stuff was going on. “They were arguing on The Sunday Game that the yellow cards frustrated the players, but I would argue that they quietened the players and the game finished with 30 players on the field.” Freaney added: “You can’t legislate for gougerism on the field, but the game is becoming like life itself. Discipline and respect for one another, for rules and referees has dropped. “John was calm throughout. He has his own style where he moves around the field which people think is a lack of interest but there is no more focused referee in the county.” Fr Gardiner agreed: “No referee does more thinking on his own game than John Bannon. He studies it and he is a great thinker on the rules and on the game itself. He contributes to our refereeing sessions and he’s a very upright guy.” Meanwhile, the Referees Committee is expected to meet this afternoon to appoint officials for both the All-Ireland minor and senior football deciders.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 28, 2007 11:53:40 GMT
Most of my thoughts on the game have already been expressed in this thread. Just a few quick observations:
You couldnt say that one single player who lined out for Kerry played below par. Guys like Reidy, Scanlon and Griffin, who all head question marks over them, performed brilliantly.
We wondered had Kerry been over trained in the run up to the Monaghan game. I had hoped that the whole training prgramme was geared up to have the lads in peak fitness for the 4 week period of the semi final to the final. The way we started and kept going till the very end would suggest that Sugrue has got it spot on.
The atmosphere was absolutely electric and you have to credit the Dublin crowd for it. I know its a cliche but it definatley does make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck. Fair play to the Kerry support too for really getting behind the team.
Kerry got 3 frees inside the 50 during the whole game. We feared that Bannon would cost us the game. We were nearly right.
It was a great game and a great occasion but its best to settle down quickly and turn the focus to the Cork game. Mayo beat Dublin in a great semi final last year too. And remember what happened them in the final.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2007 12:13:36 GMT
john sugrue has been getting a team perfectly right to peak late in the season for a few weeks spell for the last three years,he has done a great job with south kerry and knows what he is doing.
Hope fully pat mcaneeney will be appointed for the final.
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Post by binladen on Aug 28, 2007 12:16:49 GMT
john sugrue has been getting a team perfectly right to peak late in the season for a few weeks spell for the last three years,he has done a great job with south kerry and knows what he is doing. Hope fully pat mcaneeney will be appointed for the final. that will be announced this afternoon
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Post by peig on Aug 28, 2007 12:18:56 GMT
Dear John Bannon, I must congratulate you on a wonderful performance of lawmanship during yesterday's All-Ireland Semi-Final between Kerry and Dublin. The sheer wisdom, understanding and right-judgment you received as gifts from the Holy Ghost at your confirmation were truly evident. There are just a few little matters that I would like to question, and 'patience' being another benefaction bestowed by the Holy Ghost, I'm sure you'll bear with me. After seventeen minutes of the game, Declan O'Sullivan went to ground after scoring a point. While on the ground, he was goaded by a Dublin player. You awarded O'Sullivan a yellow card. As the reason for your decision wasn't evident from the TV highlights, I'd like an explanation. A minute later at the other end of the pitch, Ciarán Whelan (he was the big guy in the blue jersey wearing number eight, remember?) blatantly punched Paul Galvin off the ball in the lead up to Alan Brogan's point. You probably missed this altercation. But I didn't. And neither did your linesman who refused to call it to your attention. Maybe you should give him a call to discuss the matter. You awarded a free (a correct decision) after Paul Galvin fouled Jason Sherlock after about twenty six minutes of the game. But if you rewind the tape to just before Galvin committed the foul, you should see that Tommy Griffin's jersey was being pulled by Alan Brogan. It's obvious that you didn't see this either. But, again, your linesman did. And so did 82,157 people. Circa the thirty minute mark, you awarded a yellow card to Alan Brogan. Again, if you restudy your VHS, you'll see that it was in fact Jason Sherlock who flicked Aidan O'Mahoney in the face. Later, Declan O'Sullivan was AGAIN clearly fouled. You awarded a free to Dublin. This decision of yours, I just cannot comprehend at all (and never will, by the way). Circa thirty five minutes, Tommy Griffin looked like he was fouled from where I was sitting in the Lower Hogan (and from where I was sitting on my own couch watching the replay). But your whistle remained silent. Your whistle wasn't so silent about two minutes later when you blew against Eoin Brosnan for an apparent injustice on Shane Ryan. Eoin Brosnan was trying to flake the ball out of Ryan's hands at the time. Since when was this action not allowed in the game? With forty three minutes gone, a Kerry back - I think it was Pádraig Reidy (my eyesight isn't that great, I'm sure you understand) - clearly pulled Mark Vaughan's jersey. Would I be correct in saying that this is an offence and Dublin should have been awarded a free? With the game almost over, Ciarán Whelan was seen by 82,157 people to commit a dangerous, high tackle on Darren O'Sullivan. Even though time was nearly up, you still took the trouble to call him aside...and award him a yellow card. Did you get your colours mixed up? Thank you for taking the time to read this. And again, congratulations on a memorable display. I would actually rate it above your performance during the Armagh v Kerry game of 2000. You're a legend. And your name will always be remembered in Kerry. Yours truly, Peig P.S. Maybe you should come to Kerry on your holidays next year? P.P.S. The free you awarded against Marc Ó Sé in the last few minutes was clearly a free - well done. When you brought the ball in for alleged 'petulance', I'd like to know what it was he said to upset you. But I suppose you were clearly playing for a draw at that stage.
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Post by narrie on Aug 28, 2007 12:19:04 GMT
I watched the coverage last night on Setanta and although some of the decisions I was screaming about on Sunday, did turn out in fact to be fouls. I would mention however, that they were very minor and Kerry had to be fouled twice to get one free.
But John Bannon's incorrect decisions led directly to 4 Dublin points and one glaringly obvious drag by Shane Ryan on Tommy Griffin straight in front of the posts cost us another.
I would also query his giving yellow cards to Tomas who was punished after B Brogan drgged himself down outside the box, Mahony was carded for getting a belt off the ball and DOS for being goaded after shooting wide.
OK, if I was a Dublin fan I would have preferred Ryan to be given a chance to get back up instead of the free he was awarded, but he did blow up when he was still on the ground.
I know it 's a tough and thankless job, but every paper I read (Examiner, Tomes, Indo and even the Sun) said Bannon came down in favour of Dublin.
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Post by peig on Aug 28, 2007 12:32:26 GMT
john sugrue has been getting a team perfectly right to peak late in the season for a few weeks spell for the last three years,he has done a great job with south kerry and knows what he is doing. [glow=red,2,300]Hope fully pat mcaneeney will be appointed for the final[/glow]. I don't know, kerrygold. Although I do rate him as a ref, I'd rather see a ref from a county that was not involved at quarter-final stage. I'm not being naive here but he is from Monaghan; the Monaghan lads are still hurting; and so is his brother, Séamus. And I know some of you will read this and think "FFS, Peig! A ref who knows what he's doing rises above all of this, is totally neutral, etc, etc..." But, I'm just being honest about it all.
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Post by curraner on Aug 28, 2007 12:45:25 GMT
Congratulations lads, you probably just about deserved it.
I recorded the game on Setanta last night but will wait a few days before looking at it, wound is still a bit too deep.
Kerry subs who came in made a much greater contribution than our subs. Kerry definitely came in to the game far more when Griffin came on at midfield. Darren & Sean contributed to the win as they always do when they come in. In fact they both would probably get their game for nearly every other county in the country.
Reidy had a great game and was worthy of his place, as I suggested he would. Will people still be clambering for Mossie Lyons inclusion for the final, I think not.
Kerry bringing Donaghy out the field as I also suggested had a major bearing on the game as he won a lot of ball, though I thought McConnell did reasonably well at first viewing.
I would think that Kerry should get over Cork in the final but it will be close.
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Post by kk on Aug 28, 2007 12:52:10 GMT
Luckily Kerry won the match fortunately or otherwise....as a Kerryman I was glad they did......
I'm sure many of us will remember Alfie Haaland standing over Roy Keane when he got seriously injured goading him......and many of us will remember something similar happened in the 1st half last Sunday.....? (Just the goading bit - no injury of any kind....)
Brian Cullen is a very good footballer and shouldn't have to resort to similar tactics - as long as he or anybody else does they deserve to meet the same fate as Alfie did much less win an AI.....the issue of goading has been largely ignored to date...I'm not aware of any player being punished to date for it....it's become so prevalent now that it has to be tackled or the next step will most likley be wide spread diving.....Elaborate goal celebrations have been evident for a fews years now too....far too much soccer influence.... Was goading always there or is it just being picked up on in the last few years? KDonaghy was wrong to do it aswell last year - I think I heard something about how a few things had been said to him earlier in that game and he got his chance to say something back, and as Kerry people we'd probably like to believe that's what happened in any case but 2 wrongs never make a right.....
As far as I'm aware KDonaghy is the only player that actually apologised for it in any capacity....whether he's learned from it or not will be determined by whether he does it in the future though....
There is also a certain amount of feigning injury as it is already.....N O'Leary is no saint and needless to say Kerry don't have 30 saints on the panel either but the little box he gave GGeraghty wasn't really enough to knock him over considering that the brave Geraghty attempted to beat up a 19 year old on his own panel a few weeks before....
Aside Geraghty is a great footballer though.....and always has been....he has done plenty of talking himself over the years I'd say too......I seem to remember he was at it in 2001 when Meath trounced us....
In my opinion any player who is prepared to give it verbally or otherwise should be prepared to take it physically and run the risks of injury or suspension or both......The alternative is just to play the game within the rules......
I actually think goading is far more cowardly and underhand then a bit of boxing......because with 80k+ attendance neither the ref or anybody else can hear what's being said.....but eveybody sees what's happened when a player theatrically goes to ground courtesy of TV cameras..... Mattie Ford was wrong last year too but was there any long term injury to the Offaly player? Not that the Offaly player made a meal of it as far as I remember....
This era of speaking American, political correctness for the sake of it, professional outrage for the sake of it and taking umbrage for the sake of it etc etc is sickening....
Is being balance & fair and saying it as it is just old fashioned?
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Post by FatTom on Aug 28, 2007 13:18:21 GMT
A moment or two to laugh at the Dub who was going to be paraded before the match -
Said And Dunne Said Irish boxer Bernard Dunne in last Saturday's Irish Sun before his European title fight against Martinez:
"He has never experienced anything he is going to experience tonight. He has 16 fights, 16 wins with 13 knockouts. But has he boxed anyone of my calibre or experience? I don't think so...He has a good pedigree and he won't want to lose the unbeaten record but I'm afraid that is what is going to happen."
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Post by lostinmayo on Aug 28, 2007 13:21:32 GMT
Having read numerous articles analysing the game it is very apparent that the main focus is on Dublin losing and not Kerry winning! Check it out , most articles go on about Dublin conceding 1-5 or 1-6 and pinpointing that as a reason that Dublin lost the game. Another reason was Cluxton or the ref not allowing advantage when Ryan was fouled. Ok they say that Kerry deserved the win but merely gloss over the reasons why Kerry deserved it. You have to question journalists' professionalism - this imbalanced reporting is nothing new but it still grates. Eugene Magee didn't even get the number of AI titles Kerry hold, coming up 1 short! His article also did not give the full details of Kerry scorers. At least in the version of the paper which I got today. I have to agree Tadgheen, some of the journalism and even comments from people since the game has been disappointing. From being on such a high it really annoys me to read\hear what is being said. People cannot give this great Kerry team any credit, it's all about how Dublin lost it and saying this is not a great kerry team and only played in fits and starts. You can't win, if they play really well for full game like against Mayo, it's considered a soft all-ireland, if they win titanic games like the last 2 games, they're no good or lucky to win, it's just unreal. I think it's good and refreshing to know from mainly reading this forum that the majority of Kerry people regard this as a team comparable with the less competitive days of the O' Dwyer era. It really is a huge achievement what this set of players have done in the last 10 years and the enjoyment they have given so much of us and f the begrudgers, but it does sicken me
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Post by tommynk on Aug 28, 2007 13:31:50 GMT
just looking there at Binladens stats from the game, Scanlon on the ball 25 times is impressive, with the exception of his two bad wides he did very well. Also its credit to the team that they won considering Griffen and Dara O Se were not fully right, hopefully they will be at their best for the all Ireland.Fair play to the management but i would like to see Sean and Darren o Sullivan get a few more minutes, there is a score in each of them and their pace at the end of a game against tired defences is invaluable.
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Post by FatTom on Aug 28, 2007 13:34:32 GMT
Yeah Darren seems to come in for 5 instead of ten minutes where he could be more valuable.
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Post by Baldy on Aug 28, 2007 14:18:23 GMT
I think Sean has more to offer than the few mins he got the last day. We all know how well he did last year, particularly in putting GOOD ball into Star (which has been sadly absent this year). THe good ball I refer to is not pure high straight ball but rather crossed diaganol ball that is not ballooned in.
Darren can also do a job but id still like to see Ban in earlier.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2007 14:18:31 GMT
Having read numerous articles analysing the game it is very apparent that the main focus is on Dublin losing and not Kerry winning! Check it out , most articles go on about Dublin conceding 1-5 or 1-6 and pinpointing that as a reason that Dublin lost the game. Another reason was Cluxton or the ref not allowing advantage when Ryan was fouled. Ok they say that Kerry deserved the win but merely gloss over the reasons why Kerry deserved it. You have to question journalists' professionalism - this imbalanced reporting is nothing new but it still grates. Eugene Magee didn't even get the number of AI titles Kerry hold, coming up 1 short! His article also did not give the full details of Kerry scorers. At least in the version of the paper which I got today. I have to agree Tadgheen, some of the journalism and even comments from people since the game has been disappointing. From being on such a high it really annoys me to read\hear what is being said. People cannot give this great Kerry team any credit, it's all about how Dublin lost it and saying this is not a great kerry team and only played in fits and starts. You can't win, if they play really well for full game like against Mayo, it's considered a soft all-ireland, if they win titanic games like the last 2 games, they're no good or lucky to win, it's just unreal. I think it's good and refreshing to know from mainly reading this forum that the majority of Kerry people regard this as a team comparable with the less competitive days of the O' Dwyer era. It really is a huge achievement what this set of players have done in the last 10 years and the enjoyment they have given so much of us and f the begrudgers, but it does sicken me i wouldnt worry too much about what the outside world thinks of kerry football,it irelevant what journos like hayes or others think and write.At the the end of the day,just like the premiership table in england,stats dont lie but tell the real story,thats all that counts,a counties stats over a given 10 year period plus the list of retired or unavalable players tell the whole story. kerrys list of retired players and their stats table since '96 would represent romantic fiction for the vast majority of counties that harbour these so called expert jurnos,critics and pundits. i'd consider some of these comments,such as hayes's,to be utterly insignificant and irelevent to kerry football,write kerrys stats during the famine between '86 and '97 of what kerry won at underage level and in schools football and you will also see what i mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by homerj on Aug 28, 2007 14:45:27 GMT
here a few of me thoughts on the game...
watching it live.....
1 - ref screwed us. 2 - killian young was outstanding, as was marc & thomas and reidy distroyed the "blond bombshell" 3- scanlon handled a pile of ball, shooting was poor. 4 - declan finally showing us the telent that was raved about for 5 years. 5- gooch kicking 2 of the best points in croker this year, one off each foot. 6 - brian sheehan proving to be the best free taker off the country off the floor...when it matters most (armagh last year also came to mind!). 7 - donaghy was savage, as was gooch.
8 - dirty game, loads of needle, a few very rash tackels on kerry players, esc gooch darran and star.
after watching it on setanta last night -
ref really screwed us - free against tom sullivan, pointed, no free....free against marc o shea, pointed, no free. tommy griffan's jersey pulled in the dublin square, brosnan dispossession of shane ryan, dublin scored from the resulting next attack.....and more decisions that went against us....
brosnan actually did alot of quality work. everything that he did was important. great game. paul galvin is a legend and is now becoming one of the fans's favouruite players (also, a shed load of dublin fans at the back of the hill gave him a massive round of applause/appreciation when leaving the field, while other decided to boo) star is the most unselfhish player in gaa killian young had an even better game. tommy griffan was immense while on the field
so many memories froma great day out. my voice was gone after the game.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2007 16:50:00 GMT
First of all ....... hard luck rashers........ hope you got a ticket...... heard there was someone in pink there alright What a monster of a match....... an epic...... what an occasion In ten years time Killian Young and Padraig Reidy and Brian Sheehan and Darren o Sullivan will be playing for Kerry and that pleases me more than anything. The future must be protected and young players must be introduced even if some older players dont like it. John Bannon as expected was worth 4 points to Dublin. This was one of Kerrys greatest ever victories........ my head is still thumping from it. When leadership was needed , there were leaders all over the place..... none more so that Donaghy..... what a man. From way back I have been a fan of Declan and now he is heading to a place occupied by Pat Spillane in Kerry folklore. As usual Dublin made crazy substitutions......... they took off their most likely goal scorer in Sherlock and their best point taker in Bernard Brogan. Then Cluxton...... and he is supposed to be the best in Ireland. Dublin are not far away though. I thought the analysis and discussion in the lead up to the game on this forum was first class......... varying shades of opinion and fears and hopes .........everyone with the one thing in mind....... to help Kerry.......... Well done And finally thank heavens for the Gooch........ Thanks for the commiserations. Where are you going with your "worth 4 points" nonsense, have you looked at the game on the telly? I'd hate to think what you'd come out with if Kerry lost! Come back to me when you've looked at every incident without the green & gold specs others on here have done it for me
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Post by noreenos on Aug 28, 2007 17:09:57 GMT
Hey Lads: I totally agree with you on the subs time. Would love to have them on for more time. Young Darren has an amount of pace which is why he was brought down on Sunday by Whelan. Remember the goal against Armagh last year. Anyhow, I hope that management considers it.
Peig, I have to congratulate you on your struggle for fairness here.
I hope the referee kings and high priests have a great look at the video again and maybe just maybe wise up before serious injuries happen.
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Post by richtea on Aug 28, 2007 17:39:56 GMT
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Post by tabbyie on Aug 28, 2007 18:02:51 GMT
Peig I have to say that your post on the day out experience was mighty. Keep posting girl
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Post by kingdomkerry on Aug 28, 2007 18:02:56 GMT
No need to rub it in their faces
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