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Post by Riocht on Aug 29, 2007 19:50:34 GMT
Good answer a Thomáis Ramhar! 100%!!
Éféin (Himself) - Luas is owned by Connex - well ... leased from Government or something. But you're right sometimes public servants do a fantastic job. but Luas stewarts working for private company!
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 29, 2007 20:53:57 GMT
Well done to the Kerry team and all involved on Sunday, this was a great victory. I’m delighted Bryan Sheehan got the start and he should go from strength to strength from here. I’m also delighted I was wrong about Padraig Reidy. I know. I wasn’t alone in thinking Reidy was one for the future not right now but he proved all his critics wrong. Just one more fence guys!
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Post by ogie on Aug 29, 2007 20:58:31 GMT
fair enough real fat tom, the fat tom form the hoganstand really sucks up to the dubs bigtime. and allways trying to rise the nordies and the tyrone crowd in particular,
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Post by JOAN on Aug 30, 2007 3:32:35 GMT
ogie there is only one true fattom and that ours. the other is an imposter for sure.....
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 9:03:44 GMT
Good idea. I was just thinking today, as I was cycling home, overtaking a Garda car in Ballymun, that I will some night this week watch every "incident" in the re-runs of the game, and write down how I score it, as in: "fair decision" or unfair, and to whom. It's probably worthless, as on matchday we all have our view which sees more of what's given against our team, and that will always be the way, but my gripe is certainly with this endless propoganda about referees (amongst other things), that is used by supporters of counties to make themselves always appear somehow disadvantaged or victimised. In the heat of battle it's understandable, but away from that it's at best disingenuous and in reality just dishonest and manipulative rashers.............. how would dublin people react if Seamus Aldridge was coming out of retirement and would be refereeing dublin matches again............. well.......... thats how we feel about bannon. We have no problem with ANY other ref On the TV programme KERRY THE GREEN AND GOLD which was shown immediately after the match last sunday....Tony Hanahoe was complaining about Aldridges refereeing.......... nearly 30 years after the match in question...................... Hanahoe's point is that Kerry people (always) complaining about refs & Dublin is a bit rich. 1978 is a pointless argument by Hanahoe, it's just a bit of banter, Dublin lost by 500 points anyway, but the point about refs in general is that Kerry use that psychological & tactical warfare to always make themselves the victims and to motivate themselves. Yis do it very well, and good luck to yis, but this is a debate of what's really happening, so there's no need to fear a bit of honesty & perspective, you can let the guard down, dont worry, I wont tell anyone PS I wish you'd call me a hoor, it would be such an honour, hooray! ;D
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Post by Joxer on Aug 30, 2007 9:59:41 GMT
mrtierneyesq, we're not, contrary to your belief, always complaining about referees. We ahd good reason prior to sunday to complain about mr. bannon and the events of sunday were every bit as bad as we expected in terms of referee performance but we move on. For example,we've won and lost games that Pat McEneaney and Brian White referee'd over the years, but I don't ever recall being unhappy with the referees performance or indeed the opposition on the day being unhappy. All we're looking for is fair play and that involves consistency...I don't think that even a casual viewing of the match on sunday would conclude that there was consistency in the refereeing.
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Post by Joxer on Aug 30, 2007 10:01:53 GMT
Gooch had surely his best game for Kerry in quite a long time. Great to see it and hopefully hes back to his mighty best.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 30, 2007 10:55:37 GMT
Gooch had surely his best game for Kerry in quite a long time. Great to see it and hopefully hes back to his mighty best. He ran the show in the second half and his points just before half time were both crucial and a joy to behold. I was orgasmic when he took the ball along the sideline towards the end and sold a lovely dummy to Griffin. Christ he gave him a torrid afternoon. More of the same Gooch, more of the same!
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Post by theboywonder on Aug 30, 2007 12:50:17 GMT
I'd be shocked if Laois cheered Dublin - They hate them more than Kerry! As a Laoisman lads, I can say this, there is NO WAY a Laois man would cheer the Dubs! I was there in my Laois jersey and I had my Kerry one on underneath it! Got a few snide comments froom Dubs around me when i done the change, but f**k em! ;D
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Post by FatTom on Aug 30, 2007 13:48:10 GMT
I for one have no real problems with most referees - but the general level of refereeing in the country is very poor to say the least.
Bannon on the other hand I single out for an anti Kerry bias somewhere because we never have anything but problems when he is refereeing.
The fact that his own county man singled out his performance for being somewhat anti Kerry says enough for me. The fact that they commented on it at half time on the TV also says a lot about Mr Bannon's performance.
Kerry have had the benefit of poor refffing decisions too this year, one only has to think of the push on Kavanagh!
However the ref blew the whistle before Shane Ryan got up again and continued his run. I don't think this was a case of advantage not being allowed.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 15:13:55 GMT
I'd be shocked if Laois cheered Dublin - They hate them more than Kerry! As a Laoisman lads, I can say this, there is NO WAY a Laois man would cheer the Dubs! I was there in my Laois jersey and I had my Kerry one on underneath it! Got a few snide comments froom Dubs around me when i done the change, but f**k em! ;D That's about the level of it alright, just remind me, how many Delaneys did the "best footballers In Leinster this decade" win so far? You lot need to start supporting yourselves
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 15:18:50 GMT
As a Laoisman lads, I can say this, there is NO WAY a Laois man would cheer the Dubs! I was there in my Laois jersey and I had my Kerry one on underneath it! Got a few snide comments froom Dubs around me when i done the change, but f**k em! ;D That's about the level of it alright, just remind me, how many Delaneys did the "best footballers In Leinster this decade" win so far? You lot need to start supporting yourselves Ouch...! I take your point, Rashers. But the fact of the matter is that a lot of Laois people shout for Kerry because of what that demi-God, Micko, did to drag Laois out of the doldrums.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 15:22:43 GMT
That's about the level of it alright, just remind me, how many Delaneys did the "best footballers In Leinster this decade" win so far? You lot need to start supporting yourselves Ouch...! I take your point, Rashers. But the fact of the matter is that a lot of Laois people shout for Kerry because of what that demi-God, Micko, did to drag Laois out of the doldrums. Oh come on, they are bitter and that's all. I'd always support another Leinster team, Leinster has been so weak the past few years because counties like Laois & Kildare havent delivered on promise despite having great underage teams and club players. They need to spend more effort getting their act together rather than begrudging the efforts of others
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 15:27:43 GMT
Ouch...! I take your point, Rashers. But the fact of the matter is that a lot of Laois people shout for Kerry because of what that demi-God, Micko, did to drag Laois out of the doldrums. Oh come on, they are bitter and that's all. I'd always support another Leinster team, Leinster has been so weak the past few years because counties like Laois & Kildare havent delivered on promise despite having great underage teams and club players. They need to spend more effort getting their act together rather than begrudging the efforts of others Don't shoot the messenger...
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 15:32:27 GMT
Oh come on, they are bitter and that's all. I'd always support another Leinster team, Leinster has been so weak the past few years because counties like Laois & Kildare havent delivered on promise despite having great underage teams and club players. They need to spend more effort getting their act together rather than begrudging the efforts of others Don't shoot the messenger... Not at all Bean Sayers! You have my respect, and I take your point about what Micko has done for Kildare & Laois, but would you not agree that both have not sustained the progress, nor Westmeath for that matter?
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 15:45:06 GMT
Don't shoot the messenger... Not at all Bean Sayers! You have my respect, and I take your point about what Micko has done for Kildare & Laois, but would you not agree that both have not sustained the progress, nor Westmeath for that matter? Absolutely, Rashers. Kildare have slumped quite a bit since Micko's days. It'll be interesting come the league to see how Laois and Westmeath fair out. I suppose the argument being knowledge v personalities. There's no way Micko and P.O. left Kildare and Laois, and Westmeath repectively without leaving some sort of legacy - Tomás Ó Flatharta in Westmeath's case . When one considers that five million players turned up for Micko's first training/trial session in Wicklow, one can't help but think what the turnout would be if, say, someone like Peter Forde was in charge there. Sustaining progress in any county after a whiff of success (bar the usual kingpins) seems to be an ongoing problem. But in saying that, all one has to do is look at recent teams like Armagh and Tyrone where a certain attitude has been harboured and sustained.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 30, 2007 15:55:04 GMT
Monsieur Kerrynorth,
Bonjour au Ayiti.....c'est tres chaud ici en ce moment!!
In answer to your question, well, I suppose my apology about five minutes after the match was written in an attempt to both apologise to the La Lakers of GAA (I'll explain in a minute my brothers and sisters) and to hopefully prempt any questions such as you asked two days ago!!
Watching the match yesterday again (t'was either that or the Simpsons on Sky One as I had my croissant and jambon during the petite dejeuner) a few thoughts crossed the arid expanses of my mind (a few beers the night before had me well and truly lethergic by then!!) relating to my pre match ramblings.
1) I was wrong.
2) I was spectacularly wrong in parts.
3) Mr. P O'Shea and his sideline cohorts had thought out this game very very well.
4) I call them the LA Lakers of basketball because the amount of basketball plays the Kerry team made on Sunday was incredible. I genuinely didn't think Pat would achieve that much in year one, but he has. Watch the last minute, leading up to Declan's point. Imagine a large three point line / semi circle and then look at how the players controlled the ball, back and forward across the curve. If they were forced out, they brought it back from the line, then forward again to the three point line, over and back until the extra man created the block, gave Declan space and bingo, in he went for his point. It wasn't the only time we did it. Watch the speed at which we fed ball from our own half back line to that imaginary three point line - and I would estimate 70% of that ball went up the field with only one kick - it was the quickest handpassing I've ever seen - we moved forward in waves of five to six players - supporting, creating the space and finding the way to the three point line from which we launched our second attack of the movement.
5) Reidy played well and will have renewed confidence going into the final. However, he was beaten to the ball time and again by his man, and as I believe Joxer said, his sense of anticipation isn't at full tilt yet.
6) Our substitutions were a little slow again. It's true that you should never bring a man in when you are in the white heat of a battle - it can throw the formation you have off kilter. Perhaps, but certainly at this stage, Sean O'Sullivan has changed with Paul Galvin so many times that a change between the two is akin to breathing for the Kerry team and should have happened sooner.
7) Marc got attitude - that was novel - and I wonder if this is the start of the renowned O'Se tough streak in him. I've never seen him contest and argue so much in the years I'm watching him.
8) Kerry started the game with Kieran Donaghy at full forward and ended the game with Kieran Donaghy at full back. The man is, I believe, fully coming to terms with Pat O'Shea and really feeding off the basketball style of play. Along with Gooch who has trained under Pat since he was a glint in his parents eye, he, more than any other Kerry player, was fully in tune with the game. He created so much space to allow the wave of half forward and midfield players forward, he was the one who more often than not moved back towards defence when the middle men moved forward. It's why you saw Tommy Griffin and Seamus Scanlon forward so much, because you had Donaghy back in midfield after creating the space for them to move foward. His role was the most thought out of any of the players on Sunday, and showed that Pat knew what he wanted from him when he spoke last year about using both the orthodox high ball route with Donaghy and also using him in other ways more in keeping with Pats philosophy.
9) Still we are weak when we are run at. Shane Ryan, Bryan Cullen and Ray Cosgrove proved that. Cork proved it in the Munster final and it is an area I feel Pat has to work on, perhaps his priority for the final.
10) I question the decision to bring Darragh back on. We were on top and I didn't see Tommy tiring as much as some people say he was.
11) There are still questions, around midfield, around teams running straight at us, and these weren't exactly answered during the Dublin game.
Indeed, this pastry eating ex pat is the grand wizard of foreboding on this forum, and indeed, I will continue to be that way until throw in on Sunday fornight. Call it a Paudi piseog!!
Does that answer your question mon ami Kerrynorth?
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Post by FatTom on Aug 30, 2007 16:15:30 GMT
On point 9 you are spot on.
I have been saying this for the last number of years.
Kerry backs are excellent when ball is delivered in, unreal anticipation and getting hand in. Also if their man beats them they are class at shadowing - however for a number of years this defensive unit does not like to be run at.
Tyrone have shown this on a number of occasions.
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Post by ogie on Aug 30, 2007 16:19:59 GMT
i agree rashers laois are very bitter towards the dubs, in all my years following our great games i have never heard as much whinging as laois did after the leinster final, they should take a leaf from kerrys and meaths book over the years when playing dublin and fight fire with fire, so no synpathy here laois man.
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Post by FatTom on Aug 30, 2007 18:17:01 GMT
Just looking at the Kingdom online there now -
I wonder how does Jason Sherlock feel from that picture?
It's pretty pathetic to be honest and hammers home the reason certain people don't have a shine to this Dublin team.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 30, 2007 19:48:00 GMT
in mondays examiner Niall Cahalane stated that bringing back Dara nearly cost Kerry the match. It took Dara 10 minutes to get back into the game but finished very strongly. I am in two minds myself about this substitution........... Tommy Griffin was brilliant for the 40 minutes he was on teh field but he had probably emptied the tank at that stage
the management are closest to the action and know best i suppose.
i was critical of the Dubs for taking off Sherlock. Now it appears that he was injured.
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Post by FatTom on Aug 30, 2007 21:24:27 GMT
I still think that despite Scanlon's good performances Tommy Griffin is a better midfielder.
It may however be the case that if Cork employ a lot of bodies around there that all three will play.
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 21:27:10 GMT
in mondays examiner Niall Cahalane stated that bringing back Dara nearly cost Kerry the match. It took Dara 10 minutes to get back into the game but finished very strongly. [glow=red,2,300]I am in two minds myself about this substitution........... Tommy Griffin was brilliant for the 40 minutes he was on teh field but he had probably emptied the tank at that stage[/glow] the management are closest to the action and know best i suppose. i was critical of the Dubs for taking off Sherlock. Now it appears that he was injured. Hmmm...I have to admit that I'm also a tad bemused by this. Notice how Scanlon was also going towards the sideline, convinced he was the one being substituted. Maybe he thought: "Hang on, sure Tommy is doing brilliant gaisce. It must be me they're taking off." But then again Tommy was on one knee doing stretches in the middle of the field circa the board going up. I'm still a tad bemused...Hmmm...
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Post by Riocht on Aug 30, 2007 21:57:25 GMT
i agree rashers laois are very bitter towards the dubs, in all my years following our great games i have never heard as much whinging as laois did after the leinster final, they should take a leaf from kerrys and meaths book over the years when playing dublin and fight fire with fire, so no synpathy here laois man. In all fairness they had good reason to give out ... Dublin were deplorable - They realised Laois were a treat and in the "Good old fashioned " Jackeen way - they clattered all around them. ... as for not hearing as much whinging in all your years ... you should hear the Dubs - not just this week but every time we played them in the Championship with the last 30 years! Tá mo cheann bocht bodhar acu!
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Post by Riocht on Aug 30, 2007 22:00:37 GMT
Laoisman - plenty of understanding in this corner for you, a bhuachaill!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 30, 2007 22:23:44 GMT
in mondays examiner Niall Cahalane stated that bringing back Dara nearly cost Kerry the match. It took Dara 10 minutes to get back into the game but finished very strongly. [glow=red,2,300]I am in two minds myself about this substitution........... Tommy Griffin was brilliant for the 40 minutes he was on teh field but he had probably emptied the tank at that stage[/glow] the management are closest to the action and know best i suppose. i was critical of the Dubs for taking off Sherlock. Now it appears that he was injured. Hmmm...I have to admit that I'm also a tad bemused by this. Notice how Scanlon was also going towards the sideline, convinced he was the one being substituted. Maybe he thought: "Hang on, sure Tommy is doing brilliant gaisce. It must be me they're taking off." But then again Tommy was on one knee doing stretches in the middle of the field circa the board going up. I'm still a tad bemused...Hmmm... I was right beside the Kerry subs in Lower Hogan and Tommy looked absolutely knackered when he came off - and that was my first thought at the time when I saw him walking back in to the sideline - I even said it to the guy beside me.
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Post by peig on Aug 30, 2007 22:52:20 GMT
Hmmm...I have to admit that I'm also a tad bemused by this. Notice how Scanlon was also going towards the sideline, convinced he was the one being substituted. Maybe he thought: "Hang on, sure Tommy is doing brilliant gaisce. It must be me they're taking off." But then again Tommy was on one knee doing stretches in the middle of the field circa the board going up. I'm still a tad bemused...Hmmm... I was right beside the Kerry subs in Lower Hogan and Tommy looked absolutely knackered when he came off - and that was my first thought at the time when I saw him walking back in to the sideline - I even said it to the guy beside me. That's that cleared up then. Go raibh maith agat, a Thaidhgeen.
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Post by ogie on Aug 31, 2007 8:29:04 GMT
In all fairness they had good reason to give out ... Dublin were deplorable - They realised Laois were a treat and in the "Good old fashioned " Jackeen way - they clattered all around them.
dublin clattered all around last sunday , but we gave as good as we got and better at times , and won the game, if we had lost i bet you would not get any of us kerrymen going on to other counties boards and looking for sympathy, I live in co kildare and can tell you dubs are not too popualr here , but they actually despise laois as being a county of whingers and moaners, at the end of the day you have to stand your ground on a gaa pitch its not soccer.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 31, 2007 8:37:46 GMT
Good piece about the contribution of Dec O Sull this year. If Kerry win the All Ireland a contender for footballer of year id imagine.
Kerry captain Declan O'Sullivan will lead his side out against Cork in the Bank of Ireland All-Ireland Football final on September 16 with a glowing endorsement from manager Pat O'Shea ringing in his ears.
O'Sullivan was a clear winner of the man of the match accolade when Kerry held on to beat Dublin in last Sunday's semi-final and it was his goal early in the second-half that established the platform from which the Kingdom went on to book their place in the All-Ireland decider for the fourth year on the trot.
O'Shea, in acknowledging O'Sullivan's massive contribution against the Dubs, goes further, though.
"Declan has had an excellent year, a brilliant year. I'm delighted for him. He has popped up in all the right places to get big scores for us. He scored an important goal for us against Dublin and another important goal against Monaghan.
" He has also kicked a number of crucial points. He was one of the many stars we had. Last Sunday he was up against Stephen Cluxton, rightly regarded as one of the best goalkeepers in the country. You would have to keep the ball away from him and it needed to be a good strike to beat him. Declan delivered that," said O'Shea.
And in stressing the importance of goals in the modern game, the Kerry boss stated: "Goals win games - they are very important. Get them at the right time and they help to give you momentum. In this instance the goal came sandwiched between a couple of points that gave is a six-point lead but Dublin came back at us."
Skipper O'Sullivan is one of a number of Kerry players who are in superb form - and that will certainly serve as a warning to opponents Cork.
They will need to take a leaf out of Monaghan's book, indeed, if they are to have any chance of unseating the Kingdom.
O'Shea, too, has already intimated that Monaghan gave his side a massive fright.
"We do not think that Monaghan have been given the credit they deserve for the performance they gave in that match," he added.
"We knew going into the game against them that it was going to be very tough and so it was. But the game against Dublin was different but again we managed to come out on top."
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Post by Piggy on Aug 31, 2007 8:40:05 GMT
agree with ogie here,football is a tough physical game and you need players to take and give as good as they get on the field.Loais have very skillfull players but lack any real strenght around the pitch.i think they've the right man in Liam Kearns to turn that around though, ask any Limerickman.
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