Johnnyb
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 5, 2011 9:03:29 GMT
Trevor Mortimer did a great shadowing job on Paddy Kelly, better than Killian. Not that Kelly didn't get his hands on ball, but he was usually going laterally or even backwards, and Cork were too short of forwards not to need a big game from him. He may be detailed for Declan, as Darran would be too quick for him (plenty interchanges between players and lines should be the order of the day to keep them guessing). Mayo have a fine abrasive halfbackline it has to be said, all three of them. They haven't met the likes of Declan and Galvin though. I wouldn't consider Donnchadh undroppable at all. I'd imagine he will start on current form, and he's a much improved player, only second to Darran in that respect. A selfless man who gives his all. The one caveat is that he yet to reach All-Ireland winning heights to his game, a level he'll need to step up to (I'm thinking like Scanlon and Griffin did in 2009, Pa Laide in 97!). Perhaps this is the year. As of now he's not indispensable, and the absence of Galvin certainly increased his value. If there was a more outstanding candidate for the other corner, I think he would be under serious pressure, simply due to the fact that Galvin, Declan and Darran are superb players in his line. That's no slight to Donnchadh, and I'd love to see him kick on. But it could well be that now that we have players back that he'll return to his 50 min role where he runs himself into the ground, and there's no shame in that. I suppose what I'm saying though is that if we are playing a team with a high tempo, with physical halfbacks counterattacking with real pace I think he would be to the pin of his collar - could he handle Kevin Cassidy/Karl Lacey? Jordan/Harte? (I'm not sure the Dubs halfback line is as threatening, and Mayo I haven't seen enough of, although those stats are impressive Joxer). There was a very good reason Tadhg Kennelly was vital against Cork. The air gets thinner now, and space will be at a premium. I like the cut of that Donoghue lad. Reminds me of Mike Frank in 97. Except now in such physical combat where the first half of games can be so negative, bringing on a fast two-footed young lad for the last 10mins has added value. A cornerback's nightmare. Nice post.
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Post by vodafone2011 on Aug 5, 2011 22:27:10 GMT
A mayo win , kerry no great shakes the last day , mayo to get stucking in play there game and take there chances , they wont be Star struck forgive the pun , Kerry not tested so far against any opposition of worth , kerry defence in trouble , midfield will be snuffed out , i think the kerry cockiness will be there downfall ,sorry lads i am calling it as it is , i could be wrong ,but i doubt it
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Post by kerryeye on Aug 5, 2011 22:39:49 GMT
You're well entitled to your opinion vodafone but i dont agree with you.Think Kerry will up it a gear now and will really start motoring.We beat Limerick without getting out of second gear.If Kerry play to full potential on the 21st i can't see Mayo coming within 5 points of us to be honest.Gooch and Donaghy have yet to get going fully in the championship and if they deliver then we won't be stopped.
To sum it up,Mayo will need all their team to perform to their full capibility and for Kerry to have an off day to beat us i think,basically what happened last Sunday in the Cork game.Thats me calling it as i see it.
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Post by thepope on Aug 5, 2011 22:40:03 GMT
A mayo win , kerry no great shakes the last day , mayo to get stucking in play there game and take there chances , they wont be Star struck forgive the pun , Kerry not tested so far against any opposition of worth , kerry defence in trouble , midfield will be snuffed out , i think the kerry cockiness will be there downfall ,sorry lads i am calling it as it is , i could be wrong ,but i doubt it there adverb 1. in or at that place ( opposed to here): She is there now. 2. at that point in an action, speech, etc.: He stopped there for applause. 3. in that matter, particular, or respect: His anger was justified there. 4. into or to that place; thither: We went there last year. 5. (used by way of calling attention to something or someone): There they go. their pronoun 1. a form of the possessive case of they used as an attributive adjective, before a noun: their home; their rights as citizens; their departure for Rome. 2. (used after an indefinite singular antecedent in place of the definite masculine form his or the definite feminine form her ): Someone left their book on the table. Did everyone bring their lunch?
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Post by kerryeye on Aug 5, 2011 23:30:06 GMT
Awh no not more English lessons on the forum his holiness!
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 5, 2011 23:37:26 GMT
God bless his holiness!
Vodafone2011 should be arrested for crimes against the English language.
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Boris
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Post by Boris on Aug 6, 2011 9:11:29 GMT
I dont see the Mayo game going the same way as the Mayo games of the past. For some reason this kerry team is not filling me with confidence. No test yet bar Cork where in the first half Kerry looked sensational at times but maybe last weekend told us more about where cork were really at. For all the praise sheehan and maher are getting i think they are there for the taking. Lack of options on the bench is also a worry. If Kerry manage to win this ireland will they be the weakest Kerry panel ever to do so?
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Post by glengael on Aug 6, 2011 10:16:13 GMT
I dont see the Mayo game going the same way as the Mayo games of the past. For some reason this kerry team is not filling me with confidence. No test yet bar Cork where in the first half Kerry looked sensational at times but maybe last weekend told us more about where cork were really at. For all the praise sheehan and maher are getting i think they are there for the taking. Lack of options on the bench is also a worry. If Kerry manage to win this ireland will they be the weakest Kerry panel ever to do so? It is unlikely the game will go the same way as our previous meetings. Mayo appear to be a different type of team now. I also agree with the concern as to our options off the bench. Mayo used their bench well the last day. I seem to remember the Kerry panel of 1997 being widely criticised as a weak one and "not a patch on what came before them". The more things change .........
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 6, 2011 10:24:51 GMT
Methinks somebody is on the batter when posting............
I think Mayo have a real chance this time, based on the things I have said on previous pages. Luckily for Kerry they are surely to some extent forewarned. I'll be surprised if it's not a tight one though.
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chrism
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Post by chrism on Aug 6, 2011 11:48:00 GMT
I just cant see Mayo playing as well against Kerry. ALso if Goulding and Sheehan were playing have no doubt but Cork would have won. I would say that a 100 percent fit Darren O Sullivan is essential. He the main man this year.
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 6, 2011 14:21:37 GMT
According to his twitter if Jack picks him he will be playing... He expects to be back training soon
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 6, 2011 14:55:34 GMT
I sincerely hope Mayo do put Kerry to the pin of their collars and I'll take a win by a point in injury time or in a replay if needs be. If Mayo beat us and they can beat us - well then good luck to them in the final.
The point is, we need as tough a semi-final as possible if we are to emerge prepared for which ever battle hardened outfit comes through on the otherside of the draw.
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Post by wowwow on Aug 6, 2011 20:27:58 GMT
this post reminds me of a post before down game last year.
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lorr29
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 7, 2011 15:08:29 GMT
The woe continues...I just realised my passport is out of date and I can't fly on my driver's licence with Ryanair (only possible flight that day). T'will be the sterile environment of my local "Irish" pub on the 28th of Aug for me. Once again I will cast a lonely figure in my green and gold amongst the red and green of Mayo . (I can hear the violins playing)
Reminds me of the 2004 AI win I watched in Chorlton's Irish club against our Mayo brethern. There was me and one other Kerry supporter, smothered by red and green. The owners of the fine hostillary were from the west. They were great craic though...
I guess I'm destined this year for the first time in a long time not to see the Green and Gold play...shocking stuff...Sorry had to post, not a soul over here that will understand the anguish!!!!!
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 7, 2011 15:29:00 GMT
COuld you not get it renewed before then... Get someone to go to Cork and queue for you
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Aug 7, 2011 15:47:43 GMT
The woe continues...I just realised my passport is out of date and I can't fly on my driver's licence with Ryanair (only possible flight that day). T'will be the sterile environment of my local "Irish" pub on the28th of Aug for me. Once again I will cast a lonely figure in my green and gold amongst the red and green of Mayo . (I can hear the violins playing) Reminds me of the 2004 AI win I watched in Chorlton's Irish club against our Mayo brethern. There was me and one other Kerry supporter, smothered by red and green. The owners of the fine hostillary were from the west. They were great craic though... I guess I'm destined this year for the first time in a long time not to see the Green and Gold play...shocking stuff...Sorry had to post, not a soul over here that will understand the anguish!!!!! It's a good job your passport's out of date!!unless you've an overriding desire to see the Dublin Donegal game in person!!
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Post by mandad on Aug 7, 2011 18:12:18 GMT
Probably a bigger concern for Kerry at the moment would be Declan's fitness. Picked up an ankle injury in training to-day and it will at least restrict his training over the next ten days or so. Darren looks ready to resume very soon and should be available for the Mayo game.
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Post by greenandgold on Aug 7, 2011 18:58:32 GMT
any idea how bad Declan's ankle injury is?
I reckon strength of our forwards is vital to win v. Mayo ... Think midfield will be close one and I exect our backs to do ok but to struggle a bit so for me it hinges on our fwds and I'd expect them to be better than Mayo defenders .I though Cork fwds were much weakened last week and while Mayo were well worth their win and were v. impressive ..I do wonder if full strength Cork fwd line would have yielded a different result. Still could ge a great game --nothing like our last few meeting with Mayo
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Post by athletics on Aug 7, 2011 21:05:30 GMT
Does anybody know how bad declans injury is? Anybody see it happen. Hope he will be ok.
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lorr29
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 7, 2011 21:44:29 GMT
The woe continues...I just realised my passport is out of date and I can't fly on my driver's licence with Ryanair (only possible flight that day). T'will be the sterile environment of my local "Irish" pub on the28th of Aug for me. Once again I will cast a lonely figure in my green and gold amongst the red and green of Mayo . (I can hear the violins playing) Reminds me of the 2004 AI win I watched in Chorlton's Irish club against our Mayo brethern. There was me and one other Kerry supporter, smothered by red and green. The owners of the fine hostillary were from the west. They were great craic though... I guess I'm destined this year for the first time in a long time not to see the Green and Gold play...shocking stuff...Sorry had to post, not a soul over here that will understand the anguish!!!!! It's a good job your passport's out of date!!unless you've an overriding desire to see the Dublin Donegal game in person!! oops
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Post by bilythewalsh on Aug 8, 2011 0:27:28 GMT
Surely now having seen the other 3 semi-finalists the boys will know that they are going to have to work like dogs if they are going to end up top of the pile. Mayo, Donegal and Dublin all showed what they are capable of whereas Kerry did not have the most competitive of quarter-finals. Kerry have not quite shown their full hand yet and that could work to our advantage. Perhaps the others have plenty more in reserve but James Horan is probably not quite sure what to expect the next day, and all the time plotting against him is a manager who has made it to the third Sunday in September four times in five attempts. Here's hoping everyone will be switched on come Sunday week.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 8, 2011 8:17:11 GMT
Lorr, can you not get the ferry? Both major Irish Sea companies run a night sailing (about 02:30 I think) and even the 12:00 sailing on sundays would get you in at about 13:45, just a 10 minute taxi ride to the Croker vicinity if you go by Irish Ferries to Dublin Port. Assuming you won't be driving, and that you are in London, there's an option called "sail-rail" which is cheap (though not as cheap as the coach) The trains run to meet the ferries, so if you wanted the night ferry you could get a late train on the saturday. And you could then fly back as suits if the flights are affordable. www.irishferries.com/gb/fares-offers-ireland-from-britain.asp?tab=fares-sailSo you're looking at £33 one-way all-in sail-rail for the night ferry, and £38 for the Swift ferry on the sunday (or saturday if you're able to go earlier that day) Back to the game: It's likely that Kerry's pace in the backs (some of them) will be well-tested here. Does this mean they might crowd that zone, and use the quick break to the reduced forward line option? I assume JOC will have at least one serious trial game where things like this might be looked at? Or maybe I'm off the mark here and the changes that he has made have ushered in much pacier players in the back area? I think that if JOC has conditioned his squad as well as other provincial winners seem to have, then perhaps we can look at the quarter final as having been just "marking time" and keeping their cards face-down until needed. If Kerry are as sharp as Mayo then we will know very quickly if Mayo have the quality overall. I suspect that Kerry may not be quite as sharp, unless they can (and have been ainning to) achieve it in the 3 weeks between quarter and semi. I assume that is plenty of time. Can't wait for this game!
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 8, 2011 9:25:32 GMT
Lorr, can you not get the ferry? Both major Irish Sea companies run a night sailing (about 02:30 I think) and even the 12:00 sailing on sundays would get you in at about 13:45, just a 10 minute taxi ride to the Croker vicinity if you go by Irish Ferries to Dublin Port. Assuming you won't be driving, and that you are in London, there's an option called "sail-rail" which is cheap (though not as cheap as the coach) The trains run to meet the ferries, so if you wanted the night ferry you could get a late train on the saturday. And you could then fly back as suits if the flights are affordable. www.irishferries.com/gb/fares-offers-ireland-from-britain.asp?tab=fares-sailSo you're looking at £33 one-way all-in sail-rail for the night ferry, and £38 for the Swift ferry on the sunday (or saturday if you're able to go earlier that day) Back to the game: It's likely that Kerry's pace in the backs (some of them) will be well-tested here. Does this mean they might crowd that zone, and use the quick break to the reduced forward line option? I assume JOC will have at least one serious trial game where things like this might be looked at? Or maybe I'm off the mark here and the changes that he has made have ushered in much pacier players in the back area? I think that if JOC has conditioned his squad as well as other provincial winners seem to have, then perhaps we can look at the quarter final as having been just "marking time" and keeping their cards face-down until needed. If Kerry are as sharp as Mayo then we will know very quickly if Mayo have the quality overall. I suspect that Kerry may not be quite as sharp, unless they can (and have been ainning to) achieve it in the 3 weeks between quarter and semi. I assume that is plenty of time. Can't wait for this game! Cheers Rashers but I'm in the south west so only option would be to go Holyhead or Fishguard. Unfortunatly I have a deadline looming, so at most I can only afford to take Sunday and Monday morning off..so stuck really... Such a goose letting my passport run out have never done it before!! But sure hey I'll head into to the "Irish" pub and beg them to turn the volume up Can't wait myself. Congrats btw, delighted for you, a superb win...
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 8, 2011 10:54:08 GMT
I hope you'll be able to see the game anyway lorr. Had a huge fight with my manager over the recent games as I wasn't allowed to take any days off at all during the silly season up north even though I still have to pay for each game with the pay for play on the season ticket. Thus I missed the Munster final and the Quarter final even though I paid for them. All because these strange people here want to bang some drums and march through my street. But I booked the weekends for the semi and the final off already and will go no matter what. Should be a good semi and definitely an easier watch than Dublin playing anti-football from Donegal. I hope the Dubs hammer Donegal so we can play them in the final and kick their behinds First we need to overcome Mayo though which won't be easy but in my opinion it was the lack of scoring power that made the rebels buckle against Mayo and we have plenty of that. I'm worried about our defences still but will expect our forwards to outscore theirs. It would be the same when playing Dublin. I think we should try Sheehan again in midfield for the Mayo game as we need his workrate and accuracy.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 8, 2011 10:57:27 GMT
A mayo win , kerry no great shakes the last day , mayo to get stucking in play there game and take there chances , they wont be Star struck forgive the pun , Kerry not tested so far against any opposition of worth , kerry defence in trouble , midfield will be snuffed out , i think the kerry cockiness will be there downfall ,sorry lads i am calling it as it is , i could be wrong ,but i doubt it there adverb 1. in or at that place ( opposed to here): She is there now. 2. at that point in an action, speech, etc.: He stopped there for applause. 3. in that matter, particular, or respect: His anger was justified there. 4. into or to that place; thither: We went there last year. 5. (used by way of calling attention to something or someone): There they go. their pronoun 1. a form of the possessive case of they used as an attributive adjective, before a noun: their home; their rights as citizens; their departure for Rome. 2. (used after an indefinite singular antecedent in place of the definite masculine form his or the definite feminine form her ): Someone left their book on the table. Did everyone bring their lunch?Good man! I am not the only one then that gets annoyed with the abuse of the English language by some. Does it really hurt to use Capitals, punctuation and grammar? And haven't we all been taught the difference between their, der and there or your and you're?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 8, 2011 16:34:12 GMT
Lorr, can you not get the ferry? Both major Irish Sea companies run a night sailing (about 02:30 I think) and even the 12:00 sailing on sundays would get you in at about 13:45, just a 10 minute taxi ride to the Croker vicinity if you go by Irish Ferries to Dublin Port. Assuming you won't be driving, and that you are in London, there's an option called "sail-rail" which is cheap (though not as cheap as the coach) The trains run to meet the ferries, so if you wanted the night ferry you could get a late train on the saturday. And you could then fly back as suits if the flights are affordable. www.irishferries.com/gb/fares-offers-ireland-from-britain.asp?tab=fares-sailSo you're looking at £33 one-way all-in sail-rail for the night ferry, and £38 for the Swift ferry on the sunday (or saturday if you're able to go earlier that day) Back to the game: It's likely that Kerry's pace in the backs (some of them) will be well-tested here. Does this mean they might crowd that zone, and use the quick break to the reduced forward line option? I assume JOC will have at least one serious trial game where things like this might be looked at? Or maybe I'm off the mark here and the changes that he has made have ushered in much pacier players in the back area? I think that if JOC has conditioned his squad as well as other provincial winners seem to have, then perhaps we can look at the quarter final as having been just "marking time" and keeping their cards face-down until needed. If Kerry are as sharp as Mayo then we will know very quickly if Mayo have the quality overall. I suspect that Kerry may not be quite as sharp, unless they can (and have been ainning to) achieve it in the 3 weeks between quarter and semi. I assume that is plenty of time. Can't wait for this game! Cheers Rashers but I'm in the south west so only option would be to go Holyhead or Fishguard. Unfortunatly I have a deadline looming, so at most I can only afford to take Sunday and Monday morning off..so stuck really... Such a goose letting my passport run out have never done it before!! But sure hey I'll head into to the "Irish" pub and beg them to turn the volume up Can't wait myself. Congrats btw, delighted for you, a superb win... Thanks. Only a quarter final, but will enjoy it while we can! As somebody else said, you should be able to get something done in Cork or even Dublin passport office - get someone to queue, and they can post it to you. You can also post documents to the passport office.
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Post by Corner Back on Aug 8, 2011 17:37:15 GMT
Radio Kerry reports this evening that Declan's injury is not serious and he is expected to train this week. Also reported that Enright is likely to start at corner back with Young moving to the wing. Brosnan is most likely to be dropped
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2011 18:48:49 GMT
If the two big OShea brothers dont make a clean catch they will probably disrupt Kerry from so doing given their size and bulk. Which means one thing...... breaking ball. If Mayo get a lot of those breaks then the Kerry half back line are in for an awful afternoon as those Mayo forwards are lightening fast.
So it will come down winning the breaks in the middle third. Thats how i see it
There should be no hint of complacency which is always teh biggest danger.
Kerry are on the road as long as Tyrone and the Cork hurling team that won all irelands.
How can Kerry continue to keep coming back especially with losing 9 players from 2009. Maybe we are heading for the high jump too?
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 8, 2011 19:44:03 GMT
If the two big OShea brothers dont make a clean catch they will probably disrupt Kerry from so doing given their size and bulk. Which means one thing...... breaking ball. If Mayo get a lot of those breaks then the Kerry half back line are in for an awful afternoon as those Mayo forwards are lightening fast. So it will come down winning the breaks in the middle third. Thats how i see it There should be no hint of complacency which is always teh biggest danger. Kerry are on the road as long as Tyrone and the Cork hurling team that won all irelands. How can Kerry continue to keep coming back especially with losing 9 players from 2009. Maybe we are heading for the high jump too? Yeah, good point Mick Mac – after the last couple of weekends you’d just wonder even more if some of our fellas are walking towards the elephants graveyard as well. The heart and minds might be willing but the legs and pace might not be there especially in our defence. Time will tell.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 8, 2011 20:02:31 GMT
I am amazed that the Mayo county board put their players through a full round of club championships games over the weekend, this will seriously impinge on Mayo's three week preparation window.
Several of the Mayo players picked up knocks.
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