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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 8, 2011 21:28:12 GMT
I am amazed that the Mayo county board put their players through a full round of club championships games over the weekend, this will seriously impinge on Mayo's three week preparation window. Several of the Mayo players picked up knocks. I don't know, can't help feeling sometimes players are better getting back to their clubs and away from the hothouse obsession of inter-county prep/training camps. They get to play football, keep fit, match sharp, and forget about the upcoming big game for a little while.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2011 22:08:57 GMT
lorr29
If you have applied for a new passport send me a pm and i know a few people who can expedite it. We can get you there yet and sully could take your photo for the photos thread.
I can pck up up from d'airport and get the missus to give you a plate of bacon n cabbage and then whisk you off to the match with the young wans..........
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Post by mossie on Aug 8, 2011 23:09:37 GMT
I would have expect Mahony to under more pressure than Brosnan. maybe Jack feels the need to put a natural defender or man marker on Alan Dillon?? He is mobile, a playmaker and can take a point. killian be most suited to him in a match up i feel. I remain to be convinced that Brosnan will be dropped though From looking at training, Eoin Brosnan looks like being the third choice midfielder. It looks a fairly harsh call, but it's hard to argue with jacks decision making. Although Enright may have aggravated a hamstring injury in training, so Brosnan may get a reprieve. Mayo look like a dominant force around the middle, I would worry greatly about our ability to gain parity in this most crucial sector. The shea brothers offer a much much sterner test than those Limerick boys.
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 9, 2011 6:44:47 GMT
Cheers Rashers but I'm in the south west so only option would be to go Holyhead or Fishguard. Unfortunatly I have a deadline looming, so at most I can only afford to take Sunday and Monday morning off..so stuck really... Such a goose letting my passport run out have never done it before!! But sure hey I'll head into to the "Irish" pub and beg them to turn the volume up Can't wait myself. Congrats btw, delighted for you, a superb win... Thanks. Only a quarter final, but will enjoy it while we can! As somebody else said, you should be able to get something done in Cork or even Dublin passport office - get someone to queue, and they can post it to you. You can also post documents to the passport office. I can't get anything right at the mo of course tis a a quarter, I'm blaming 18 hour days...my brain is confuddled...
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 9, 2011 6:48:50 GMT
lorr29 If you have applied for a new passport send me a pm and i know a few people who can expedite it. We can get you there yet and sully could take your photo for the photos thread. I can pck up up from d'airport and get the missus to give you a plate of bacon n cabbage and then whisk you off to the match with the young wans.......... You're an angel but won't be able to amke it, had to move out of house have no idea where my passport is...disorganised chaos in my mind and house at the moment..I do love the generosity of spirit from this forum though. Ciarraí abú I'll be screaming my head off here in the South west , ye'll hear me over there ;D
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 9, 2011 8:59:46 GMT
It would be a major move to drop Brosnan at this stage, but at least we know that Jack and co recognise that this is a problem area for us. If he is dropped, then Young would have to be moved out because pace is the one thing we don't have in abundance in that line.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 9, 2011 9:25:21 GMT
Yes, it was odd to see players accelerating away from Brosnan the last day, then again centre-back isn't a position that necessarily needs pace. e.g. Tim Kennelly, Seamus Moynihan, Eamonn Fitzmaurice. I have to say I appreciate Fitzmaurice's qualities as a centre-back more now since he retired then when he was playing.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 9, 2011 10:40:33 GMT
I have to say I appreciate Fitzmaurice's qualities as a centre-back more now since he retired then when he was playing. You never get the flowers when you can smell em...
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 9, 2011 14:01:43 GMT
I think Jack O'Connor should learn from Micko in '87 and Mickey Harte last weekend and give youth it's chance. I think Enright should start if injury-free, he has shown great determination, strength and dogged defending in his role so far. Likewise if any of the forwards aren't up to scratch, they should be substituted with James O'Donoghue on in their place, in the first half if need be, this should apply to any forward that's playing badly whether it's Donaghy, Gooch or Declan O'Sullivan and not just pick Donncha Walsh by default. Some of Dublin's best performers were those whose positions were most under threat such as Cian O'Sullivan and Diarmuid Connolly.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 9, 2011 14:27:46 GMT
I think Jack O'Connor should learn from Micko in '87 and Mickey Harte last weekend and give youth it's chance. I think Enright should start if injury-free, he has shown great determination, strength and dogged defending in his role so far. Likewise if any of the forwards aren't up to scratch, they should be substituted with James O'Donoghue on in their place, in the first half if need be, this should apply to any forward that's playing badly whether it's Donaghy, Gooch or Declan O'Sullivan and not just pick Donncha Walsh by default. Some of Dublin's best performers were those whose positions were most under threat such as Cian O'Sullivan and Diarmuid Connolly. Enright's hamstring injury has restricted his training since the Cork game and with that type of injury its difficult to get right in a short space of time - just ask Paul Galvin. Mayo will play two inside and with their experience you would have to say that Tom and Marc would be favourites to do that job. Enright, if fit, has the pace to be considered for a man marking job on one of the Mayo half forwards. Leary and James O'Donoghue have shown they can cause a lot of trouble for tiring defences. Learys understanding with Gooch is second probably only to Donaghys understanding with Gooch. James O Donoghue will run into that space that will open up in the last 10 minutes of a game. Jack has thrown a curve ball in selection before and may be tempted to do so again for this one.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Mallaithe on Aug 9, 2011 15:21:34 GMT
Some interesting points about team selection. As someone who has only twice seen Bohane play for his club, and a handful of times for Kerry, I wonder how close he is to starting.
I think the reason people here recently posited him as a potential fullback comes down to his ability under a high ball. We all saw it against Galway, and of course it was only a cameo but he did appear authoritative in a line that was shaky before his arrival. However I saw him fullback against the Dubs in Parnell Park (2009?) and he got injured, though he had an overall decent performance, with some shaky moments. He doesn’t strike me as having the requisite build (ie not built for going around corners) to be isolated inside on a two man fullforward line.
What he does do anytime I have seen him however is jump strongly for a high ball and, more importantly, stay goalside of his man while doing so (what Tom didn’t manage for the early Down goal last year, or for a Ger Collins point at the start of the 2nd half vs. Limerick; he is flapping at balls and his timing seems a bit off. These are hopefully only minor blips, because overall Tom is still holding his end up, to be fair).
I saw Bohane in a league match against Derry up in Ballinascreen in 2009 (Tadhg’s first game back) where he impressed me from wingback with his pace and decisiveness in possession, and I also saw him against Tyrone up in Tyrone, where again, he impressed from wingback taking the game to them. He also caught kickouts cleanly in those matches.
When he came on against Limerick the last day, one of the the first things he did (apart from getting stuck in) was to field a high ball in a crowded dangerous area, and he protected it well and Kerry started a move out. He followed this up a few minutes later by getting strong hands to another ball close to goal and breaking it favourably. The reality is that none of the six starting backs can field ball comfortably (Brosnan is the tallest but has unpredictable hands I feel), and I presume Enright to be the same. Some of those are the best backs to play the game, so I mean no offence, I suppose it just indicates how much the game has changed; breaks, reading a game and man-markers are key now.
To end a roundabout post, and in light of some of his strengths (and my own ignorance of potential weaknesses), would Bohane make a good centreback? I’m sure many of ye here would know better than I would. I would worry about Aidan there, and it’s hard to know with Brosnan (who will, I feel, lift his game again for the bigger occasion), although we are fortunate to have him back this year. Perhaps Jack will be happy with him to remain as one of his first defensive subs. I just recalled that he came on against Down last year also.
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Post by animal on Aug 9, 2011 15:25:34 GMT
James O Donoghue in 2011 could well cameo like Darran did in 2006 V Armagh. Bringing him on late on in games has worked well so far and he can be pleased with his contribution. I have no doubt that the selection of the backs will be determined by the fitness of those available and how well they are doing in training. Therefore no matter what team Jack picks I think that I will be content that they are the best 15 for that day. We have good competition on most lines of the field which is a very healthy situation to be in.
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Post by veteran on Aug 9, 2011 16:02:18 GMT
That is an amazing gesture by Michael Mac in order to facilitate Lorr 29 in her effort to get back for the Kerry/Mayo match. Incredible generosity.
I can empathise you with Lorr 29. I was stranded over in London for the 1969 final. Back then of course we had no TV pictures, no radio signal and the telecommunications highway was at a primitive level. I did not get the result until I got my hands on the Irish Press the following morning. So I suppose you are much better off than the poor old Paddies of that era. In any case, we will all make a special effort to give you detailed reports on this forum. Those reports of course are intended for all Kerry people scattered all over the globe. Every time I take my seat in Croke Park I thank the Lord. There is only one place to be when Kerry arrive in Dublin town.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 9, 2011 17:08:44 GMT
That is an amazing gesture by Michael Mac in order to facilitate Lorr 29 in her effort to get back for the Kerry/Mayo match. Incredible generosity. I can empathise you with Lorr 29. I was stranded over in London for the 1969 final. Back then of course we had no TV pictures, no radio signal and the telecommunications highway was at a primitive level. I did not get the result until I got my hands on the Irish Press the following morning. So I suppose you are much better off than the poor old Paddies of that era. In any case, we will all make a special effort to give you detailed reports on this forum. Those reports of course are intended for all Kerry people scattered all over the globe. Every time I take my seat in Croke Park I thank the Lord. There is only one place to be when Kerry arrive in Dublin town. In bed with the curtains closed? What sort of crowd do yis think will be up for this? I presume Mayo won't have the huge followings of old, for two reasons, the same as every other county - the recession (and drop-off in general interest for sundry factors), and the fact that they have suffered alot in the biggest games in the past 20 years and more. And I presume Kerry may not come in big numbers for the above reasons plus also some may fear defeat, and plus some only travel for All-I finals and games against certain counties?
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Mallaithe on Aug 9, 2011 17:44:02 GMT
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Enright's hamstring injury has restricted his training since the Cork game and with that type of injury its difficult to get right in a short space of time - just ask Paul Galvin. Mayo will play two inside and with their experience you would have to say that Tom and Marc would be favourites to do that job. Enright, if fit, has the pace to be considered for a man marking job on one of the Mayo half forwards.
Leary and James O'Donoghue have shown they can cause a lot of trouble for tiring defences. Learys understanding with Gooch is second probably only to Donaghys understanding with Gooch. James O Donoghue will run into that space that will open up in the last 10 minutes of a game.
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I would certainly respect Mayo for the win vs Cork, but I don’t think we have too much to fear. There’s the possibility of considering them better than what they are after one admittedly fine match.
They are not the strongest team in the middle – in fact of the four teams left Dublin appear the strongest here once McAuley stays fit – and I wouldn’t rate the O’Shea brothers as much better than what we have, though we are of course not without problems in the area. Like anyone else here, I feel the danger is matching them for hunger on the breaks, but unlike Cork, we have had ample warning and it’s more difficult for me to see Kerry being caught as it’s not a trait of Jack’s management – last year being the only time we were caught out under his watch.
It’s hard to see a team with Tomás and Paul getting beaten comprehensively on breaks, which is what Mayo will need to win. Buck is right about their forwards, and once/if Tom is on form, they will struggle for scores inside as Marc will be about. Their forwards look decent to good, but I would still put them in the ‘handy’ rather than lethal variety, though their workrate has upped considerably. Gooch, Brogan, S O’Neill, M Murphy they are not. They do have some fine defenders in good form.
If they have superior hunger, and if Kerry’s legs are gone, then expect Mayo to win. But those are big ifs surely.
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 9, 2011 21:03:37 GMT
That is an amazing gesture by Michael Mac in order to facilitate Lorr 29 in her effort to get back for the Kerry/Mayo match. Incredible generosity. I can empathise you with Lorr 29. I was stranded over in London for the 1969 final. Back then of course we had no TV pictures, no radio signal and the telecommunications highway was at a primitive level. I did not get the result until I got my hands on the Irish Press the following morning. So I suppose you are much better off than the poor old Paddies of that era. In any case, we will all make a special effort to give you detailed reports on this forum. Those reports of course are intended for all Kerry people scattered all over the globe. Every time I take my seat in Croke Park I thank the Lord. There is only one place to be when Kerry arrive in Dublin town. As John B once said a day spent outside Kerry is a day wasted!! The one exception to this is Croke Park!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 10, 2011 11:14:56 GMT
David Coldrick will be the ref.
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 10, 2011 11:54:47 GMT
That is an amazing gesture by Michael Mac in order to facilitate Lorr 29 in her effort to get back for the Kerry/Mayo match. Incredible generosity. I can empathise you with Lorr 29. I was stranded over in London for the 1969 final. Back then of course we had no TV pictures, no radio signal and the telecommunications highway was at a primitive level. I did not get the result until I got my hands on the Irish Press the following morning. So I suppose you are much better off than the poor old Paddies of that era. In any case, we will all make a special effort to give you detailed reports on this forum. Those reports of course are intended for all Kerry people scattered all over the globe. Every time I take my seat in Croke Park I thank the Lord. There is only one place to be when Kerry arrive in Dublin town. Veteran the genoristy of people on this forum never ceases to amaze me, it's a home away from home for me. I shall be wearing the green and gold with pride in Plymouth on the 21st
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2011 12:39:22 GMT
twas going to be home grown cabbage
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Aug 10, 2011 15:26:29 GMT
Mayo manager James Horan has admitted that his players savoured the underdog role for their All-Ireland Football Championship clash with Cork last month However, he feels Kerry are not likely to fall into the trap of taking the Connacht champions lightly on Sunday week in the semi-finals. Mayo produced the shock of the Championship by knocking out the Rebels in Croke Park as Horan's young side stifled the All-Ireland holders to make sure there would be no all-Munster clash in Headquarters on 21 August. The Connacht champions were considered rank outsiders going into the meeting with Cork and Horan felt it was something his players used as motivation. "It did us no harm. In the lead up to the Cork match we were ready. There was a lot of things said about us and our players which probably wasn't right and wasn't fair. "It did certainly did us no harm to hear some of that and maybe it didn't do Cork any favours too. "Kerry have been there so often that they won't be fooled by a favourites tag or an underdog tag and we'll just be looking to make sure we're as competitive as we can be." After some poor matches in the early stages of the Connacht Championship, many pundits had written off the chance of the province having a team in the semi-finals. Horan is adamant that some comments on the quality of teams in Connacht this year were over the top. He said: "I think a lot of that criticism is from people that are maybe trying to be sensationalist or maybe just trying to create some of sort of story. "It is true that a lot of the games in Connacht this year were not great but the conditions weren't great either. The teams that got through Connacht this year, Roscommon and ourselves, have acquitted themselves well and hopefully we can continue that." Horan's appointment was seen as a re-building job after a disastrous campaign in 2010 for the county. The former Ballintubber manager has hailed the introduction of new, young players to the panel, mixed with experience already in the ranks, as the key to their success. "When we started the year it was hard to know where things with Mayo football were at. There were a lot of guys who's confidence was down and their form wasn't so good. But we got together at the beginning of the year and set out what we wanted to do. "We used the league as a development ground for the Championship and it has worked out well for us so far. "There are a lot of guys who have done very well for us like Jason Doherty, particularly in the league, Alan Freeman, Kevin McLaughlin and Cillian O'Connor later on in the Championship. "So there are some very good young players that are moving into the team very well. But when you have the likes of Trevor Mortimer, Andy Moran and Alan Dillon playing the way they have been, it is a much easier environment to come in to. "We're happy with where we are and looking forward to an All-Ireland semi-final on Sunday week." O'Connor has been sensational with free-taking in the last two matches, playing a huge role in the wins over Roscommon and Cork. The teenager savoured pressure of taking over placed ball duties for Mayo to quickly cement a place in the team. Horan has not been shocked by the forward's speedy progression after monitoring his development in recent years at Ballintubber. Horan stated: "Cillian is a solid player and a very solid guy. He has done well in the Championship games to date. It is no surprise to me. "I've seen Cillian play for years at underage at his club Ballintubber and he is just a very solid guy for a 19-year-old. He has a very good skill set and he is doing well for us." Mayo have a number of injury corners for the tie with Kerry and they increased on Tuesday night when Trevor Mortimer picked up a knock in training. Peadar Gardiner and Mark Ronaldson are doubts for Croke Park but Horan hopes all his players will be available for training this Friday. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0810/horanj.html
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 10, 2011 15:36:10 GMT
www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/1008111607-kerry-and-mayo-to-wear-alternative-jerseys/Kerry and Mayo will wear alternative jerseys for their GAA Football Championship semi-final at Croke Park on Sunday, August 21. As both sides’ regular strips are predominatly green, the CCCC has informed both counties that they will have to wear their alternative gear. Kerry will wear blue with a white trim, while Mayo will be kitted out in red with a green trim. It will be the second successive game in which the Kingdom have been involved in a colour clash, as they also wore a changed strip in their quarter-final win over Limerick. The last time Kerry and Mayo met in the Championship, the 2006 All-Ireland final, both teams wore their traditional ‘home’ jerseys.
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 10, 2011 15:37:30 GMT
Kerry will wear blue with a white trim.....
I cannot place that jersey!!!!
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Post by yerraman on Aug 10, 2011 18:51:05 GMT
I'd love to see aidan back at no 6. Between 2004 and 2008 i dont believe there was a better centre back in the country. From foot passing,link up play,fielding and man marking you'd be hard pressed to find a more complete footballer. With Aidan in the centre,young back out the wing and enright in the corner i'd be very happy. The only other worry is,Has tom o sullivan still got the legs for a big croke park game?
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Post by kerryfanatic on Aug 14, 2011 10:47:27 GMT
Any news on Darren O Sullivan?
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Post by dart on Aug 14, 2011 10:52:36 GMT
A potential Kerry Donegal final would mean no green and gold for kerry in croke park 2011
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Post by mandad on Aug 14, 2011 12:10:50 GMT
Darren trained on Wed. night. Looks o.k. Shane Enright is probably the only doubt.
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Post by lorr29 on Aug 14, 2011 14:38:37 GMT
twas going to be home grown cabbage Mickmack....if only I'll have to make do with the cabbage I have on the farm here...next year PG I'll be back at the games...until then it's the delight of RTE for me (fingers crossed the pub is showing it) ;D
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Post by thepope on Aug 14, 2011 15:07:00 GMT
be interesting to see how jack will arrange the backs, will he leave it as is, make one change or a couple? tough call either way
enright marc tom
tomás killian bohane
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 14, 2011 18:07:52 GMT
I think we will see two different pairings in midfield as Mayo after all are very fit and the middle third is where the battle will be won. Maher and Sheehan at the beginning maybe with Galvin and Donaghy roaming around the middle as well and Donncha for the breaking ball. We will need to dominate midfield with a lot of physicality and speed in the first half and then bring on Scanlon in the second as Mayo get tired as a super-sub. Am I right in thinking Darren AND Scanlon are both fit? If so Mayo will find it hard to stop a forward line with Donncha, Gooch, Star, Galvin, Darren, Declan, O'Leary and Keane all as options. Even in the backs we have quite a few different options. We won't contain Mayo's forwards like the Limerick ones but we will definitely be able to to outscore them if we win the battle at midfield. In my opinion Kerry have 2 options for each position making our bench a bench full of super-subs whereas Mayo have a brilliant team but only one of those.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 15, 2011 7:45:37 GMT
The Examiner is reporting this morning that Tomas damaged his hamstring at the week end and is having a scan today to assess the damage- this is very worrying if he could not line out.
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