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Post by Ballyfireside on May 26, 2011 15:37:02 GMT
Micheal suggested some time ago that the best way to do this was casually, kinda like his own commentary one supposes.
I think this site could play a major role, moreover as we are all in gra with an cúpla focal. It wil help young buachaills to charm the cailini (v birds) out of the trees so I suggest that from now on that every comment has at least a cúpla focal and as they say 'from little oaks grey great loads' and we will revive what is an endangered species. The sooner we start the better of course so lets go!
Sure we might even change an domhain Gaeilge and I wouldn't worry about precision with spelling, grammar, etc. It is more the sound, at least for starters anyway and I am evidently leading by example here.
I would also appeal to those who have good Irish, including of course our native Irish speakers, to help us along by using the Irish of more common focal.
If anyone has web addresses of sites that have an abundance of common focal Gaeilge then lets have them. If us amateurs only read them once then all those words hidden in the saturated brain cells will come alive.
As it is I am a long way from follwing TG4 or minor matches so maybe these are reasonable targets for others.
Mine host might keep this thread to the fore, that is if you feel that is ceart go leoir a chara!
Slan agus beannacht go leir!
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Post by devilsdetail on May 26, 2011 15:52:38 GMT
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Post by dannyboy99 on May 27, 2011 11:35:15 GMT
This is the best idea I ever seen anseo and it is the best place in san domhian to start, at the very of the most widely played Gaelic sport.
Editor take note and keep it at top of agenda, it will propel this site to prominence beyond imagination. And if MOM thinks it is go maith then it is worth a serious effort.
Slan go foil
PS And tolerance is the key, get the wheel rolling first, then we can sratt to brush up and by which time we will be in a different and better place with the revival?
WILL THE REVIVAL START RIGHT HERE?
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Post by dannyboy99 on May 27, 2011 11:48:19 GMT
THIS HAS TO BE WINNER, SURE EVEN O'BAMA SAID "CÚPLA FOCAL BEATS CLEVER ENGLISH."
HERE'S TO PADDY, HARD TO KEEP HIM DOWN AND IF HE IS A KERRYMAN SURE THE WORLD HAS NO CHANCE 'AGAIN' HIM!
Go néirí an bóthar linn inniu agus gach la go deireadh t-am, well to 5pm on 18 Meán Fómhair 2011 anyway!
Slan
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on May 27, 2011 12:41:22 GMT
rinneas iarracht le linn seachtain na gaeilge chun scríobh as gaeilge anseo. Is smaoineamh intach í lunnie, mo cheol thú. Beidh áthas as Seoirse nuair a bhfeicfidh sé an "thread" seo-tá níos mó gaeilge ag an fear ón Bheilg ná tá ag alán Éireannaigh
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Post by G_S_J on May 27, 2011 17:24:39 GMT
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Post by mountainy_man on May 27, 2011 18:23:10 GMT
Is peileadóir Chiarraí le casta inferiority té a cheapann's sé díreach chomh maith le gach duine eile  |
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Post by devilsdetail on May 27, 2011 18:55:00 GMT
"Is as Ciarraí lá ar spoiled lá"
I think my old Irish teacher would have been tempted to give me a clatter if I came up with the above from that google translate site!
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Post by neverlettheballhop on May 27, 2011 22:41:41 GMT
Fair play lunnie wit this thread. Following tg4 mightn't be as bad as you think if the co commentators keep coming up wit classics like this one during national league.Cant remember the match but i was laughing for bout an hour when I heard this coming out from the tv................
"Fuair sé belt nuair a thit sé ar an ground!" Béarlachas i think it's called.
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2011 23:13:22 GMT
Tiocfaidh ar SAM
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 28, 2011 11:11:19 GMT
We are off to a great start here and it is vital that if we are to correct each other then it should be in a constructive manner. ie Our objective is to help with the revival of an Gaeilge among us non native speakers and we can all be the butt of a joke from time to time but we don't want that to discourage anyone, particularly starters and/or those who might otherwise join the initiative. It could well be that Kerry leads the way again, moreover as we have a Gaeltacht and therefore a natural advantage at the outset. I bet it was on a lot of people's minds to do this and that will give it further momentum.
Let's follow the same 'code' and include at latest 2 Irish words, sorry I mean cúpla focal, in all threads on here and if Admin are tuned in they might help us out in anyway they can. Lets call it CF Code, ie ‘Cúpla Focal Code’. So now when two Kerrymen meet in a strange place they can communicate in CF code and nobody will be any the wiser, so long as we will know what we are saying ourselves of course!
The comment from kerrymanontour reminds me of what an American girl said about one Mick Finucane when he was over there for the '47 Polo Grounds All-Ireland; she said she hadn't a clue what he was saying but she just loved the sound of his voice. Anyone who knows anything about chatting up would know that above all else, the sound of the man's voice is what impresses women most, more than looks, build, money, charm; check it out lads.
Is suppose if the American lady could cainte Gaeilge she might have said to Mick what I would like to say to kerrymanontour, 'mo cheol thú' a buachaillin! I would also like to say to him what MOM might also say, ‘there’s always wan!’
Speaking of Micheal Finucane, did you hear him on Radio Chiarrai a few Saturday’s ago? For those who may not know, he is one of the 4 surviving members as an fhoireann a imirt in san only All Ireland ever played lasmuigh den tir; Cabhan beating Chiarrai in the Polo Grounds in New York in 1947. Among The Cavan greats was John Joe Reilly RIP and an triur eile bhi Eddie Dowling agus Gus Cremins both o Ballydonoghue also believe it or not agus of course fir Stacks Frank O’Keeffe.
Micheal is probably the greatest character you could imagine and as a neighbour I can tell you he is so larger than life you just couldn’t imagine. He was also a boxer and still plays Ballybunion Golf course, one of the top courses in the world.
What is amazing is his knowledge, sorry gno, of other sports. I had occasion to be in his company recently ag feachaint ar cluiche soccer agus his reading of the passage of play was peerless, and I mean peerless. So you can imagine what it would be like to be ag feachaint ar cluiche peile proper agus Micheal in san seomra!
Agus ta se an amazing inspiration, the true sign of fear mor, the ultimate test.
And a rogue to boot, he he’d have you cut down to size and it would have gone over your head, so careful kerrymanontour that you don’t stray around Ballydonoghue in the dark of an oiche or there will be more than cheoil ringing in your cluasines!!! Go neiri an bothar leat a chara agus gach aon daoine eile agus ta suil agam go me meid na Gaelgoiri nios fearr sa domhian in no time at all!
Agus ta se go hiontach that Admin are ag canhru linn. Maybe this will be the turning of the corner on this issue and we were all part of it. And all te better when the world appeared to ba falling around our chluasana. As they say keep the cheann when others are losing theirs.
The Kerry Ingredient, An Comhábhar Chiarraí!
The Kerry Difference, An Difríocht Chiarrai!
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 28, 2011 11:28:56 GMT
Etch that in san cheann gach duine and never forget it for as long as a beidh Chiarrai ag imirt chuiche peile!
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Post by jackiel on May 28, 2011 16:15:58 GMT
Cen fath gur "CF Code" ata i gceist. Can we not just use the cupla focail without being elitist about it. I agree with the idea of using the Gaeilge but surely it doesnt have to be at the exclusion of those nach bhfuil aon Gaeilge acu. Reminds me of a time I worked in a local shop , 2 ladies from Gailllimh had a full scale gossip as Gaeilge cos they thought that the Meath girl working in the shop didnt understand- I had every word and it really pissed me off that they greeted each other & strarted to talk to each other "as Bearla" but when they wanted the gossip they changed. There are probably plenty of spelling mistakes here but I'm not taking the time to use a dictionary or to Google the Gaeilge. I love my language , went so far as to study it in College, a bit rusty now cos I dont use it often enough so come on be fair to those of us who havn't been fortunate enough to be raised and immeresed in it in our daily lives.
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Post by fenit67 on May 28, 2011 20:39:50 GMT
Taim im chonai sa Fhrainc le 13 bliana anuas agus ta an Fraincais mo theanga gach la ag obair ach sa tigh labhraim as Béarla le m'inion agam agus idir Béarla no Fraincais le mo bhean chéile. Nil an Gaelinn mo theanga bheo ach ta sé "mo theanga"! Ta an t-adh orainn go bhfuil an teanga sin "ar teanga". Ta gach tosu lag mar a deirtear ach le gach focal labhartha as Gaelinn ta ar theanga ag teacht ar ais. An Riocht go Deo!!!!! We as a people need to use the language as a means of expression of who we are and not as a means of being "elitist", whatever that might mean. The Irish language has ancient roots but no language exists in a vacuum so it is incumbent upon us to throw off the association of shame that previous generations were forced to attach to their language and in that I am not pointing a finger at Crown institutions but at the institutions present in this country since 1923 and that is not a political statement. irish should have been given equal space with English in the public sphere as no language can be retained within the four walls of a school and then expected to thrive in an English-speaking world outside of those school walls. Let's try to do our bit and put the Gaelic back in the GAA!!
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 29, 2011 0:16:21 GMT
Fenit67 & Jackiel, no nothing to do with elitism, just a little light hearted incentive really.
Ta an Gaeilge go maith ag an pair of you, and you would lead many of us as we play catch up.
Ag caint Gaeilge in a hobby like visiting this web site is of course better than classroom, just as MOM suggested, and he a teacher.
Irish is our native language and in a way we are lucky to also have English because it is the business language of the world, and as a small open economy we need it. It is also a help in travelling and for companies locating here, but we often don't fully appreciate that.
I find the Irish brings out a lot of culture, kinda emotional, psychological, etc. The Irish language is as much a culture as it is communication and it's metaphoriocal style is beautiful.
Anyway cúpla focal of Code CF, whatever, lets all help each other to learn an Gaeilge in an enjoyable fashion, maybe we will have a big celebration when we are all fluent, ah a great excuse for a relaying weekend back in Paddy Bawns, Paidis, Tommy Griffins, etc. Sure we are only paisti ag imeacht go di an Gaeltacht to brush up on our Gaeilge, between the pints!
Bon Nuit fenit67!
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on May 29, 2011 8:09:46 GMT
Fair Play dhíbh as they say in Conamara, you'd be surprised how much Irish people have sub-consciously if only they got the chance to re-awaken it. If anyone needs a hand with anything or have any questions fire away, I'm more than happy to help. I scáth a chéile a mhaireann na daoine.
He's a good vid to get you motivated:
On the Béarlachas, a man on Raidió na Gaeltachta once came out with this immortal quote while discussing the future of the language- "Tá an tIrish Language *áilte"!
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2011 10:23:21 GMT
"You'll have another pint. There is only a "dreedur" left in your glass"
With that meyself and a man from West Clare tried to figure out where the word came from.
Without success.
Any ideas?
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Post by k on May 29, 2011 17:08:53 GMT
"You'll have another pint. There is only a "dreedur" left in your glass" With that meyself and a man from West Clare tried to figure out where the word came from. Without success. Any ideas? I presume that would be dríodar referring to dregs |
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Post by cool1 on May 29, 2011 17:32:38 GMT
Smaoineamh den scoth. Cuideoidh sé linn gach foghlaimeoir!
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Mallaithe on May 29, 2011 20:37:49 GMT
"You'll have another pint. There is only a "dreedur" left in your glass" With that meyself and a man from West Clare tried to figure out where the word came from. Without success. Any ideas? Mickmack, a chara, Mar atá mínithe (explained) romham, dríodar = dregs. Suimiúil go leor, Tomás Ó Criomhthain of Blasket Island fame who wrote An tOileánach (later translated as an Oxford World Classic - The Islandman) referred to himself at the beginning of his life's story as "dríodar an chrúiscín" - the dregs of the jug - meaning in this case the very youngest of a large family! Molaim go mór an iarracht leis an ábhar plé anso as Gaelainn, is déanfad mo dhícheall cur leis anois is arís. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2011 22:06:15 GMT
Smaoineamh den scoth. Cuideoidh sé linn gach foghlaimeoir! Can is bri le sinn |
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on May 30, 2011 9:04:06 GMT
Roinnt rudaí úsáideacha chun cabhrú libh a chairde: 1. www.focal.ie- an indispensable dictionary, especially for newer terms 2. www.logainm.ie- every placename in Ireland given in its original and Anglicized form 3. addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/litreoir-gaelspell-do-mhozilla/ - a spellchecker for Firefox (and Thunderbird) which works in all text boxes, such as this one I'm writing in. If any of ye are wondering how to do the fada on Windows PCs, you hold down either the 'Alt Gr' button and the vowel or 'Ctrl' & 'Alt' and the vowel. Go néirí libh, Ciarraí Abú! |
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Mallaithe on May 30, 2011 14:26:42 GMT
Smaoineamh den scoth. Cuideoidh sé linn gach foghlaimeoir! Can is bri le sinn "Cad is brí leis sin" an rud ceart, ach maith thú for making the effort. Smaoineamh den scoth = a great idea. Some of ye might remember "Scothscéalta" ón ardteist. Mar shampla, Is peileadóir den scoth Gooch, etc. Cuideoidh sé linn gach foghlaimeoir = It will help us / cabhróidh sé linn would be also common. gach foghlaimeoir = every learner. Foghlaimeoir = an duine atá ag foghlaim. Peileadóir = an duine atá ag imirt peile, etc. |
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Mallaithe on May 30, 2011 14:33:36 GMT
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on May 30, 2011 18:16:13 GMT
I might throw up some useful phrases and words for ye from time to time if ye want. I'll start with the most important word of all, 'Caid'.
Other counties play 'peil'. In Kerry we play caid. You can decide yourselves what the difference is- I think that caid is the perfect mix of skill, passion, strength, foot passing and high fielding, sportsmanship and fairness.
The style of our northern brethren is more like 'iomrascáil' than caid.
Uses:
Cumann Caide: Football Club
Ag bualadh na caide: kicking the football
Caid ard: high ball
Caid íseal: low ball
Níl aon chaid ann: He has no football in him.
Ag bualadh na caide i gcoinne na binne: Kicking the ball against the gable
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Post by G_S_J on May 30, 2011 19:30:02 GMT
He's a good vid to get you motivated: You mean "Here's a good vid to get you motivated"  Sorry for being a smart arse |
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on May 30, 2011 19:35:28 GMT
He's a good vid to get you motivated: You mean "Here's a good vid to get you motivated" Sorry for being a smart arse A smart arse you are |
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 31, 2011 12:11:13 GMT
Tá athas an domhain orm le an cead iar, and I’d say this sentence about sums it up, good intention but … anyway what I am trying is to say is that I am very happy with our first efforts. Keep it country and let’s not be too hard on ourselves. While we have an enormous head-start advantage with a Gaeltacht but it might make us overly ambitious and if we try to run before we can walk we might fall and Kerrymen don’t like to fall! We certainly want to getting into ruts so try to avoid disputes over dialects’ grammar or even spelling at this stage. Easy does it and contributors will invariably spread an cúpla fiocal, in other threads, and across the GAA community. When we get a bit of momentum and contributors in general have a grasp of what we will call ‘everyday cúpla focal’ and we are in the habit of using it then the more seasoned among us can provide leadership and guidance on grammar, etc through constructive criticism. This could lead to lots of opportunity and sure it might even give a welcome boost to our Gaeltacht community, moreover as there is talk (in stark contrast to cúpla focal), of Gaeilge being relegated from the classroom. On this latter point those in the know contend that all this Science education is not the answer to our lack of business start-ups. I.e. most people who start businesses are creative, non-conformist and the biggesta dn best ones are actually drop outs from ‘rote’ education. i.e. Bill Gates, Facebook lads, etc. All in all someone needs to have a word with the Minister in question before it is all too late; we wined and dined Eilís a Dó but cúpla focal is off the menu. And go raibh mile maith agat Motm for the following fiesty stuff: 1. The fada key …. á é ú í ó ú … this is exactly the type of stuff we need, pun not intended! 2. Ag bualadh na caide i gcoinne na binne = Kicking the ball against the gable. Wasn’t that Mick O’Connell’s hallmark, although it is also a sign off verse in ‘Trojan Horsepower’, a poem I wrote myself about the exploits of Tadhg Kennelly. It even includes ‘International Haymaking’, not to be confused with 'International Harvester' as in the make of tractors, although the difference wasn’t that much either, maybe it was more 'Caterpillar' as in the bulldozers, or maybe it was just a merry dance, a jig of course, a rejig! Sorry Tadhg or should I say sorry Nicholas? Anyway here’s the verse, and I also have a cúpla focal poem on the same blog entitled ‘An Chiarraí Ingredient -with a fleck of Gaeilgóir’ which is the first stab at a cúpla focal version of ‘The Kerry Ingredient’ and which is also at ballythefireside.blogspot.comNow there's a bit of origonal forward momentum, even if it was only from humble myself! From the time of the gable ball The Trojan Son re-jigged and he jigged He re-jigged again and he jigged again He re-jigs once more and jig again he will and maybe for ever more Oh let this dressage thingamajig never end let there be no farewell gig It's now all part of our local folkfactlore Now keep this cúpla focal going, it is magic and go raibh maith agat Admin for keeping us prominent until we get up to speed and critical mass! You might even keep us a bit more prominent up the list given what we are cooking here and sure it could take the site to an even higher level altogether! |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 31, 2011 13:24:29 GMT
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Post by jackiel on May 31, 2011 15:12:52 GMT
Dochreidte indeed, some really bad translations going on there. You wouldn't want to take that as a definitive translation. stick to the dictionary.
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