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Post by lorr29 on Oct 17, 2010 16:11:56 GMT
Agree Ambrose was very impressive, but my God Gooch just has sublime vision and ability to find himself in the right position at the right time...Plus any of those begrudgers who claim Colm dives etc just watch his game today, managed to make every effort to stay on his feet despite the pressure he was under and keep the ball, u just knew he would finally demonstrate his brilliance, make a pass or score..Fab team performance and lovely to hear him talk afterwards about how much it means to him and the club.
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Post by veteran on Oct 17, 2010 18:28:43 GMT
Dr. Crokes 1-14 Austin Stacks 0-11 HT 0-8 0-6
This was a thoroughly enjoyable game without a hint of nastiness. Austin Stacks did well to make it competitive for so long but, once the elusive butterfly scored the goal, the issue was sealed. While the Crokes were minus Kieran O'leary, they had plenty of ammunition to compensate for his absence but the loss of Daniel Bohane and Graham O'Connell was too much of a handicap for the Tralee boys.
The play was open, with plenty of good movement and good scores, but because one always felt the Crokes had the whip point, the excitement was not as intense as it would have been if the Stacks could have, for instance, snatched a goal. Kieran Donaghy was at his best and most menacing in the first half but in the second half the Crokes full back line tightened up considerably. In that respect Michael Moloney made it difficult for KD. Any time I see Michael play I feel he could be taken to the cleaners, but it rarely happens. He is one of these unspectacular players whom it is easy to underestimate. I feel he should get a few runs in the NFL at full back.
Eoin Brosnan had a powerful game on the forty. A comeback on the cards? Daithi Casey and, in the first half, Andrew Kennelly made significant contributions.
All four midfielders had some good moments ,as indeed did Wayne Guthrie when he came on. Ambrose O'Donovan had his best game for a long time, kicking three or four points. On the way out some people were saying that Johnny Buckley was not as prominent as they anticipated. That maybe so but he still impressed me greatly. Today, his outstanding contribution was his precise kicking. He is a "head up" midfielder, thoughtful and purposeful. There is no doubt he has to get a protracted run in the NFL. If so, I will be surprised if he has not clinched his place for the championship. I will put my head on the block. This man is as good a prospect as Aiden Walsh.
Mikey Collins and Darragh Long threatened seriously for Austin Stacks. It appeared to me that Darragh had earned a penalty late in the second half but I was too far away to give a definitive view.
Man of the match? I am biased of course, but the elusive butterfly is the man. Crokes seemed to ignore him in the first half but in the second half it was- danger ahead, master at work. I said that Johnny Buckley gave a thoughtful performance but if you want to meet the originator of that characteristic, knock on door number 13. Does this man ever waste a ball? He is a miser in that respect. As Daithi Casey(?) made the run goal wards, the Rock's defender was dutifully on Colm's case. One exhorted, "hold your ground, do not budge". The defender budged, ball transferred to you know who. Good night Irene. On another occasion, the defender ran towards my side of the terrace to collect to the ball ,marginally ahead of the butterfly. Should have been his ball. Would have been against any other opponent. Alas, you could see it happening before it actually did. At the last moment, the butterfly edged his body in front of his opponent, won it and spun. White flag. But, of course there other instances.
I genuinely feel sorry for KD in his attempt for the captaincy but the harsh reality is that, for his team, it was always uphill today. Well beaten at the end by superior opponents.
In the meantime. Colm Cooper. Kerry captain. Peerless.
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Post by 6 in a row on Oct 17, 2010 18:49:31 GMT
Well done to the Crokes. Will push hard now for an All-Ireland Club title.
Colm Cooper is just magic the way he changed the whole game with 1-2.
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Post by nicoshea on Oct 17, 2010 19:27:45 GMT
Agree Ambrose was very impressive, but my God Gooch just has sublime vision and ability to find himself in the right position at the right time...Plus any of those begrudgers who claim Colm dives etc just watch his game today, managed to make every effort to stay on his feet despite the pressure he was under and keep the ball, u just knew he would finally demonstrate his brilliance, make a pass or score..Fab team performance and lovely to hear him talk afterwards about how much it means to him and the club. Cooper had a very quiet 1st half, but was amazing in the 2nd half... Did see the constant pull and drag of him alright.. Stacks were good and were denied a free and a penalty... Collins and Kirby played very well (IMHO).. Next year maybe... But for now Cooper for Kerry Captain next year and who knows maybe Jack has seen a few players for next years team...
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Post by martinoneill on Oct 17, 2010 19:34:39 GMT
Agree Ambrose was very impressive, but my God Gooch just has sublime vision and ability to find himself in the right position at the right time...Plus any of those begrudgers who claim Colm dives etc just watch his game today, managed to make every effort to stay on his feet despite the pressure he was under and keep the ball, u just knew he would finally demonstrate his brilliance, make a pass or score..Fab team performance and lovely to hear him talk afterwards about how much it means to him and the club. Cooper had a very quiet 1st half, but was amazing in the 2nd half... Did see the constant pull and drag of him alright.. Stacks were good and were denied a free and a penalty... Collins and Kirby played very well (IMHO).. Next year maybe... But for now Cooper for Kerry Captain next year and who knows maybe Jack has seen a few players for next years team... Kirby had a good game? What game were you at? His man scored 4 points from play unchallenged. Should have gone off after 20 minutes.
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Post by nicoshea on Oct 17, 2010 19:46:37 GMT
I wasn't at it... Just from the TV it looked like he had a good game (again IMO)
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Post by glengael on Oct 17, 2010 20:12:57 GMT
Hard to disagree with anything you say veteran. One of the better County Finals in recent years. Crokes were the stronger and more experienced team all through.
A great occasion , even for a neutral, great atmosphere created in major part by the excellent Stacks support.
Good luck to Crokes . I think they play Limerick champions Monaleen next.
PS Great to see the 1985 Desmonds team honoured. Real celebrities all!!!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 17, 2010 20:38:22 GMT
Congrats to Crokes, long over due. Crokes have a strong enough set up to win the All- Ireland Club Championship.
Delighted to see Colm lead out kerry in '11. Eoin Brosnan still has something to offer kerry as does a collection of Crokes players involved in kerrys u21 championship win in '08. Time to give these lads a run with kerry and some others from that u21 team.
Hopefully Colms time back with club will extent all the way to Paddys Day, the 8 or 9 months with the club will do him the world of good.
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Post by nicoshea on Oct 17, 2010 20:48:23 GMT
When is the poor guy meant to have a break thou?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 17, 2010 20:53:07 GMT
When is the poor guy meant to have a break thou? Being with the club is better for him, chance to unwind and live amongst his mates, he'll be grand.
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Post by mossie on Oct 17, 2010 21:15:49 GMT
I am delighted for the Crokes.
They are a vibrant club ran in a professional manner. They were overdue a championship success and well they might savour today. Crokes do wonderful work promoting football, hurling and ladies football in killarney town.
I didnt think Johnny Buckley looked like a senior inter county footballer today. He seems slow. Is it crazy to suggest Ambrose O'Donovan get a run with kerry??
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Post by nicoshea on Oct 17, 2010 21:21:59 GMT
I didnt think Johnny Buckley looked like a senior inter county footballer today. He seems slow. Is it crazy to suggest Ambrose O'Donovan get a run with kerry?? How many of the current panel looked like a senior inter county footballer before they started on the senior team... I agree with trying him out in the league for a few games
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Post by nicoshea on Oct 17, 2010 21:22:40 GMT
When is the poor guy meant to have a break thou? Being with the club is better for him, chance to unwind and live amongst his mates, he'll be grand. Yeah I suppose... Just be worried about him been burnt out..
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Post by mossie on Oct 17, 2010 21:39:43 GMT
ah well, i hope Buckley proves me wrong. anyone else think the Stacks mentors substitutions were a little questionable today?? I didnt think Johnny Buckley looked like a senior inter county footballer today. He seems slow. Is it crazy to suggest Ambrose O'Donovan get a run with kerry?? How many of the current panel looked like a senior inter county footballer before they started on the senior team... I agree with trying him out in the league for a few games
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 21:53:28 GMT
Was at the match today,it was a good match but for me the result was never in doubt,crokes played some nice football as did the stacks but the crokes experience of big matches was a big factor in my opinion,the occasion seemed to get to some of the stacks players.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Oct 17, 2010 22:05:28 GMT
A great day out in ASP, a great day out.
However, Stacks were unbelievably one-dimensional: Plan A: Kick it high to Donaghy Plan B: Kick it a bit higher to Donaghy PLan C: Try a low ball to Donaghy Plan D: Kick it even higher than Plan B to Donaghy
Now, he is a fantastic ball-winner and totem-pole for Stacks but did they have anything remotely resembling a Plan E?
The best team by-far won on the day and no one can deny them that.
Crocaigh Abu, Na Crocaigh Abu.
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Post by shescurling on Oct 17, 2010 23:18:13 GMT
Would I be wrong in saying that the number of people at the game today announced by Maureen o Sé seemed to be very inaccurate. To my knowledge Austin Stack Park has a capacity of 18,000. The stand was mobbed, as was the terrace, and for the first time in a while behind both goals was pretty full. 10,000 odd was the "attendance". Cant remember exact figure. Closer to 15,000 if you ask me lads??
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Post by himself on Oct 18, 2010 8:44:48 GMT
There was a lot of room behind the goals and, while the terrace was full, people had plenty of standing room. I would think that the County Board figure was fairly accurate.
On the tactics, I thought Stacks could have played more low ball into Donaghy and Long. They were never going to run through the half back line on a consistent basis. However, the gamble of double-teaming Gooch in the first quarter left Crokes with an extra man in midfield and they cleaned up on the loose ball. They corrected that and got going when Leonard came out, but this one wasn't won or lost on the blackboard - Crokes were very good throughout the pitch. Gooch absolutely stole the show in the second half - that performance ws so good it was scary - but overall I thought Ambrose O'Donovan man of the match and I thought Eoin Brosnan broke a lot of Stacks' hearts too
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Post by thatsyourjob on Oct 18, 2010 9:27:16 GMT
On the way out some people were saying that Johnny Buckley was not as prominent as they anticipated. That maybe so but he still impressed me greatly. Today, his outstanding contribution was his precise kicking. He is a "head up" midfielder, thoughtful and purposeful. There is no doubt he has to get a protracted run in the NFL. If so, I will be surprised if he has not clinched his place for the championship. I will put my head on the block. This man is as good a prospect as Aiden Walsh. You're havin a laugh here surely. Aidan Walsh is only 20 years old and has already won an all star award and the young player of the year award. He is a supremely fit, fast, high fielding and dynamic midfielder. From what I saw of Buckley today he is slow, cumbersome and unable to get off the ground to compete in the air. I think he would be utterly lost at senior inter county level. He is another Scanlon. Good for picking up the handy ball but not good enough to win his own dirty ball. After all the talk about this man I can safely say after today that he is not the answer to our midfield dilemma. Thats an absolutely outrageous statement. Johnny Buckley has been the outstanding midfielder of the championship. You obviously didint see the masterclass he gave against west kerry. He never wastes pssession and is an excellent passer and dont think you'll find too many critics of his aerial ability(not from people who have seen him play over a season and not only a game). Cork would have won the munster semi final in killarney if Walsh could kick....johnny is a much more complete footballer than him. In the u21 game this year they were playing against their own age and walsh was in johnnys shadow all day. Congrats to crokes hope they go all the way this time after being robbed by crossmaglen in 2007.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 18, 2010 10:00:44 GMT
You're havin a laugh here surely. Aidan Walsh is only 20 years old and has already won an all star award and the young player of the year award. He is a supremely fit, fast, high fielding and dynamic midfielder. From what I saw of Buckley today he is slow, cumbersome and unable to get off the ground to compete in the air. I think he would be utterly lost at senior inter county level. He is another Scanlon. Good for picking up the handy ball but not good enough to win his own dirty ball. After all the talk about this man I can safely say after today that he is not the answer to our midfield dilemma. Thats an absolutely outrageous statement. Johnny Buckley has been the outstanding midfielder of the championship. You obviously didint see the masterclass he gave against west kerry. Anyone at the second WK game would acknowledge that old man Darragh destroyed Johnny Buckley - whom I do admire and believe has a future.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 18, 2010 10:55:21 GMT
However, the gamble of double-teaming Gooch in the first quarter left Crokes with an extra man in midfield and they cleaned up on the loose ball. They corrected that and got going when Leonard came out, but this one wasn't won or lost on the blackboard - Crokes were very good throughout the pitch. From what I saw Stacks started with Leonard midfield marking Buckley. Shanahan was centre back on on Brosnan, Dennis and McElligott were in the full back line on Gooch and Casey with a sweeper in front of Gooch. This in turn allowed Luke Quinn to drop in front of Donaghy when Stacks got possession. Of course Crokes anticipated this and Gooch drew his two men away from the ball while Casey was hit at every opportunity in the first 10 minutes. Stacks changed it after 15 minutes and pushed the sweeper up to the half forward line. The double teaming of Gooch was needed in the 2nd half when Crokes were playing with the wind but the Stacks management let Dennis one on one with him. Often I looked down the pitch and there was two Crokes forwards and 2 Stacks backs inside the 65 in the 2nd half. In that environment Gooch was always going to clean up. Taking Mikey Collins off when he was their top scorer from play was another puzzling decision. They must have realised their mistake cos they put hinm on again a few minutes later. Ambrose had 4 kicks at goal and nailed them all. On another day he would have kicked 4 wides but his confidence was up throughout the game. I would still say that Gooch's 1-5 (1-3) from play makes him man of the match.
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Post by Crokerman on Oct 18, 2010 11:08:53 GMT
Colm's goal from the County Final
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Post by hugh20 on Oct 18, 2010 11:47:19 GMT
Thats an absolutely outrageous statement. Johnny Buckley has been the outstanding midfielder of the championship. You obviously didint see the masterclass he gave against west kerry. He never wastes pssession and is an excellent passer and dont think you'll find too many critics of his aerial ability(not from people who have seen him play over a season and not only a game). Cork would have won the munster semi final in killarney if Walsh could kick....johnny is a much more complete footballer than him. In the u21 game this year they were playing against their own age and walsh was in johnnys shadow all day. Congrats to crokes hope they go all the way this time after being robbed by crossmaglen in 2007. A half fit Daragh O Se dominated him in the quarter final. Aidan Walsh is a far superior player and much more suited to the pace of inter county football. Pace is an attribute you are blessed with, not one you can learn. Buckley is too slow and cumbersome to ever make it at inter county level. A big lad who dominated at underage level and his dominance at county championship level can be put down to the fact that there simply are no good midfielders in this county bar the afore mentioned Daragh O Se whos boots Buckley still wouldn't lace. You are disillusioned and I am happy someone pointed out your stupidity! judging a player on one or two performances......johnny buckley made mince meat of aidan walsh playing with UCC against CIT, johnny buckley is the imo definitely in the top 3 midfielders in the county, i know we are in a bit of a crisis in terms of midfielders at moment but i think he should get a prolonged run in league. Ambrose Donovan had a massive game yesterday and I ws delighted for him......I think he was unlucky not to get man of the match however I think he is not up to intercounty standard. I was delighted for crokes and especially colm cooper! fair play, hopefully they can do the business against monaleen and go on to win all ireland club final!!
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Post by lorr29 on Oct 18, 2010 12:03:09 GMT
Wasn't it lovely as well (yes I am being setimental) to hear Colm on Tg4 after the game talk about how important this win meant to him, it always comes back to the club, something I thought that pulsated through Darragh's writing about his club in the book. Interested to see thenumber of mentions about Eoin coming back onto the senior team, I liked how in Daragh's book he talked how Eoin had law exams which affected his ability to commit as much to the county (how often we can forget these mighty men are "amateurs" trying to hold down jobs). I always had mixed feelings about Eoin, he was some man for scoring goals but at times he just seemed kinda lazy or something... I don't know... think he has fierce skill and was sad to see him leave Kerry....
On aside, would like to see Ambrose and Johnny B get a try in the league but hey the question around replacement backs for me still remains a concern....
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 18, 2010 12:08:30 GMT
The better team won yesterday,if stacks had either another Star playing at midfield or a gooch in the forward line the bishop Moynihan cup might be in Connolly park but in fairness the Crokes were by far the better side. You would have to question the Stacks selectors though - IMO putting two people on the gooch in the first half was crazy as he's unmarkable anyway & at times it looked like the Crokes had 20 players playing such was the space that this created around the middle of the pitch & who better to utalise it other than the Crokes.I dont think that Ambrose would have scored the points with such ease if he was put under more pressure - not taking anything away from him 4 ps from midfield is a fantastic achievement in any match not to mind a county final.Secondly taking off Mickey Collins was unbelievable as he was probably one of the best Stacks players & using up a sub by having to put him back on again just proved that they had cocked up.Thirdly they set out their stall of lofting the high ball into Star which was working & then they stopped which was strange as he had Moloney in trouble,whatever plan B was it didnt work. I didnt see any outstanding prospects out there to solve our Kerry team problems other than the currrent Kerry players but I think that Jack should give Eoin Brosnan a call to see if he'll come back & maybe solve our centre field problems - Johnny Buckley wasnt great but he might improve with someone like Brosnan alongside him.Gooch was a joy to watch & he was worth the admission fee alone,I'm delighted that he's going to get his chance to captain Kerry next year.
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Post by homerj on Oct 18, 2010 12:12:39 GMT
great game until the goal, at which point the crokes hammered home the nail.
delighted for them and best of luck in the all ireland now, hopefully they will bring home a club title on st paddys day and i think they will, class all over the field.
stacks made some baffling decisions, taking off collins and then long, was puzzling.
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Post by aranteorainn on Oct 18, 2010 16:51:02 GMT
A half fit Daragh O Se dominated him in the quarter final. Aidan Walsh is a far superior player and much more suited to the pace of inter county football. Pace is an attribute you are blessed with, not one you can learn. Buckley is too slow and cumbersome to ever make it at inter county level. A big lad who dominated at underage level and his dominance at county championship level can be put down to the fact that there simply are no good midfielders in this county bar the afore mentioned Daragh O Se whos boots Buckley still wouldn't lace. You are disillusioned and I am happy someone pointed out your stupidity! judging a player on one or two performances......j ohnny buckley made mince meat of aidan walsh playing with UCC against CIT, johnny buckley is the imo definitely in the top 3 midfielders in the county, i know we are in a bit of a crisis in terms of midfielders at moment but i think he should get a prolonged run in league. Ambrose Donovan had a massive game yesterday and I ws delighted for him......I think he was unlucky not to get man of the match however I think he is not up to intercounty standard. I was delighted for crokes and especially colm cooper! fair play, hopefully they can do the business against monaleen and go on to win all ireland club final!! When did Johnny Buckley make mincemeat of Walsh , just inquisitive .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 19:55:04 GMT
Haven seen Johnny Buckley in the last three games, he did not stand out as anything special. I am all for giving him a chance but people would want to ease up on the hyperbole that has surrounded him these last few months. He has a long way to go.
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Post by caesar on Oct 18, 2010 20:07:23 GMT
You are disillusioned and I am happy someone pointed out your stupidity! judging a player on one or two performances......j ohnny buckley made mince meat of aidan walsh playing with UCC against CIT, johnny buckley is the imo definitely in the top 3 midfielders in the county, i know we are in a bit of a crisis in terms of midfielders at moment but i think he should get a prolonged run in league. Ambrose Donovan had a massive game yesterday and I ws delighted for him......I think he was unlucky not to get man of the match however I think he is not up to intercounty standard. I was delighted for crokes and especially colm cooper! fair play, hopefully they can do the business against monaleen and go on to win all ireland club final!! When did Johnny Buckley make mincemeat of Walsh , just inquisitive . Was it not in the u21 match this year in Austin Stack park where Buckley was awesome.
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Post by longball2 on Oct 18, 2010 20:14:22 GMT
What about thereal elephant in the room? Who, who were at the game can say thath donaghy will start for kerry next year?
What a poor game.? And all that mouthing to the ref?
Not up to kerry standard?
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