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Post by mossie on Sept 30, 2024 23:07:26 GMT
It is beyond stupidity that there is 1 north Kerry team at u15-17-20 and not at senior won the u20 championship last year and some of them not playing country championship this year I agree, 4 districts (Feale Rangers, St.Kierans, Shannon Rangers & St.Brendans) for North Kerry clubs at Senior level and 4 districts to make up the rest of the county doesn't make much sense. Especially when those 4 North Kerry districts haven't had much success in the past 20 years except the 1 year Feale Rangers won the Championship in 2007 (which was a shock at the time). If you had 5 districts, North, South, East, West & Mid. That would still give plenty chances to fellas who aren't in senior clubs to play County Championship. lets be honest, St Kierans isnt really am entire NK divison team , okay some of the clubs play in NK but some of the clubs play in East Kerry St Brendans board has no teams playing in the north kerry board area |
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Post by shannonsider on Oct 1, 2024 7:44:14 GMT
That’s a completely obvious move that the County board should just force at this stage. Shannon Rangers and Feale Rangers aren’t serious entities at this stage unfortunately. A combined NK team if done right with good people on management would be competitive. Ironically I think such has been the strength in NK underage in recent years that you could comfortably have had 2 Minor and U20s teams in county championship - maybe that’s a temporary thing but if that continues I’d favour a reverse of current system. Shannon Rangers and Feale Rangers enter minor and u20 championships and one Senior NK team. Widens the net and gives more underage players exposure to a high level and then should make the Senior situation a bit better. West Kerry have a terrible record in recent times, why all the focus on Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers when they are not performing In fact they have performed better than other divisional teams Shannon Rangers performed better than a good few divisional and club teams in 2024 I mentioned North Kerry because it’s what I care most about to be honest. You’re correct that Shannon Rangers arguably performed more creditably than West Kerry. West Kerry too didn’t seem to have anything like the best possible team available and when you have only 4 clubs you need everyone. Somebody mentioned possible realignment of districts - if this were on the cards would St Pats be better off with West Kerry as an example? Very few Blennerville men have appeared for Brendan’s lately. Might get something out of a move West? Anyway I suppose the other reason I mentioned the North Kerry situation is that there’s an obvious possible solution there that has been tried with some success at underage level. There is definitely a counter argument that less players will be exposed to County SFC level but I think to be honest right now if you get 25 out of Shannon/Feale combined capable of operating at that level you’d be doing well. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Oct 1, 2024 8:24:07 GMT
Hard to disagree with your post, Shannonsider There are serious merits to some of the underage structure county wise, primarily the inclusion of the joined North Kerry consortium and the splitting of East Kerry into Eoghan Rua and East Kerry. I also recall many many years ago, a discussion surrounding Blennerville joining West Kerry around the time they joined the West Kerry League.
Maybe your right in a realignment of the divisional sides might be the way forward, the intermediate championship has an obvious influence, and the example is the strength of St Brendan’s of this year compared to five years ago, or even the devolution of Kenmare district with Templenoe and Kenmare going senior.
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Post by shannonsider on Oct 1, 2024 9:05:26 GMT
Hard to disagree with your post, Shannonsider There are serious merits to some of the underage structure county wise, primarily the inclusion of the joined North Kerry consortium and the splitting of East Kerry into Eoghan Rua and East Kerry. I also recall many many years ago, a discussion surrounding Blennerville joining West Kerry around the time they joined the West Kerry League. Maybe your right in a realignment of the divisional sides might be the way forward, the intermediate championship has an obvious influence, and the example is the strength of St Brendan’s of this year compared to five years ago, or even the devolution of Kenmare district with Templenoe and Kenmare going senior. The natural instinct of most people is to stick to the status quo. But if there’s a better way of doing things then.. Another small example..if Laune Rangers go Senior, which may well happen in the near (or very near) future, Mid Kerry would be seriously in trouble as a county championship force. Milltown-Castemaine may eventually be back down at Intermediate but why not ask Listry to join Mid Kerry? They play with Keel at underage level and a good share of their players attend school in Millltown so it’s not a huge leap I would say? You mentioned splitting East Kerry, which has been done in underage county championships and you’d have to applaud those who took the decision to do it. In my view with the strength of the clubs at Intermediate level especially in the current East Kerry setup, this should be proposed sooner rather than later. Glenflesk, Kilcummin, Fossa, Legion, Gneevguilla are all strong intermediate teams and operate in top 2 divisions of the county league. With the population base these clubs can draw from there will most likely be a continuation of their upward surge. Rathmore regularly play with East Kerry at underage level on top of that. Crokes occasionally pitch in also in recent years at minor level. It’s way too much strength if you ask me. |
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Post by yellowbelly on Oct 1, 2024 11:13:47 GMT
Huge call at the end. Still not sure if Mike Breen was taken down in the box.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 1, 2024 11:23:41 GMT
Hard to disagree with your post, Shannonsider There are serious merits to some of the underage structure county wise, primarily the inclusion of the joined North Kerry consortium and the splitting of East Kerry into Eoghan Rua and East Kerry. I also recall many many years ago, a discussion surrounding Blennerville joining West Kerry around the time they joined the West Kerry League. Maybe your right in a realignment of the divisional sides might be the way forward, the intermediate championship has an obvious influence, and the example is the strength of St Brendan’s of this year compared to five years ago, or even the devolution of Kenmare district with Templenoe and Kenmare going senior. As I keep saying on here, the divisional sides are artificial construct and should be redrawn every year to ensure balance. Some of the examples given on here and excellent reasons for doing so. 2 years ago the Brendan’s team was made up of maybe 4/5 Churchill players, a few Pats, etc and now they have no one on so it’s the same team only in name |
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Post by jerryewe on Oct 1, 2024 13:40:17 GMT
As I keep saying on here, the divisional sides are artificial construct and should be redrawn every year to ensure balance. Some of the examples given on here and excellent reasons for doing so. 2 years ago the Brendan’s team was made up of maybe 4/5 Churchill players, a few Pats, etc and now they have no one on so it’s the same team only in name I agree that the makeup of divisional teams needs to be reviewed on an ongoing basis but it can’t be changed too often either. If players are being moved from one divisional team to another too often they will be less likely to commit the divisional teams. Take the example of St Pats that was given above moving to West Kerry. Fine, but then Stacks & Rahillys win intermediate and are back senior. St Brendan’s are much weaker so St Pats go back in there. Then one of the Tralee clubs gets relegated and St Pats could be on the move again. While they are artificial constructs, I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the 2 most successful divisions of the last 20 years or so (South Kerry & East Kerry) had college teams which provided the backbone of their teams. These teams were used to playing with each other and used to having success. I think other divisional teams are lacking on that front and that’s a hard thing to change. |
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Post by dc84 on Oct 1, 2024 16:49:36 GMT
As I keep saying on here, the divisional sides are artificial construct and should be redrawn every year to ensure balance. Some of the examples given on here and excellent reasons for doing so. 2 years ago the Brendan’s team was made up of maybe 4/5 Churchill players, a few Pats, etc and now they have no one on so it’s the same team only in name I agree that the makeup of divisional teams needs to be reviewed on an ongoing basis but it can’t be changed too often either. If players are being moved from one divisional team to another too often they will be less likely to commit the divisional teams. Take the example of St Pats that was given above moving to West Kerry. Fine, but then Stacks & Rahillys win intermediate and are back senior. St Brendan’s are much weaker so St Pats go back in there. Then one of the Tralee clubs gets relegated and St Pats could be on the move again. While they are artificial constructs, I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the 2 most successful divisions of the last 20 years or so (South Kerry & East Kerry) had college teams which provided the backbone of their teams. These teams were used to playing with each other and used to having success. I think other divisional teams are lacking on that front and that’s a hard thing to change. Very good point also there is a historical and identity thing here too the interchangeable teams ie on the borders etc it would be hard get buy in I'd imagine ie 3 or four years with west kerry then 2 or 3 with brendans and back again. I can't talk for every district but I think some like south Kerry West kerry and kenmare when it was there have a kind of a bond through schools etc. Growing up that it feels natural to play together and get supporter buy in. |
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Post by The16thMan on Oct 1, 2024 18:59:06 GMT
I agree, 4 districts (Feale Rangers, St.Kierans, Shannon Rangers & St.Brendans) for North Kerry clubs at Senior level and 4 districts to make up the rest of the county doesn't make much sense. Especially when those 4 North Kerry districts haven't had much success in the past 20 years except the 1 year Feale Rangers won the Championship in 2007 (which was a shock at the time). If you had 5 districts, North, South, East, West & Mid. That would still give plenty chances to fellas who aren't in senior clubs to play County Championship. lets be honest, St Kierans isnt really am entire NK divison team , okay some of the clubs play in NK but some of the clubs play in East Kerry St Brendans board has no teams playing in the north kerry board area I'm aware but what I'm saying is they could merge the 4 into 1 or 2 districts instead of having 4. As they don't tend to compete with the way things are currently structured. |
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Post by legendz on Oct 1, 2024 19:54:59 GMT
Placing restrictions on the formation of divisional clubs was discussed a lot on here a few years ago. I don't think a divisional club should contain more than 3 intermediate clubs. There should be a minimum standard as well. A divisional club should contain at least 1 intermediate club and possibly 2 junior premier clubs, or else at least 5 junior premier clubs if there are no intermediate clubs. How to align the 8 divisional clubs with those constraints or something along those lines will be a conundrum though. I don't think the powers that be want that headache! Divisional teams are artificial constructs and subject to change every year as it currently stands. So the county board taking ownership of and responsibility for this with the intention of improving the senior championship is not an outlandish idea. Things being difficult isn’t a sufficient reason for a dereliction of duties East Kerry 5-2 (12) St. Brendan's 3-3 (9) Mid Kerry 3-1 (7) South Kerry 1-3 (5) St. Kieran's 1-3 (5) West Kerry 1-2 (4) Feale Rangers 1-1 (3) Shannon Rangers 1-1 (3) A ranking of Divisional club strength based on 2 divisional points per intermediate club and 1 divisional point per junior premier club. East Kerry is in split territory with 12 divisional points. Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers are in amalgamation territory with 3 divisional points each, for a combined total of 6 divisional points. Arguably St. Brendan's on 9 divisional points is the upper limit. West Kerry on 4 divisional points is arguably the lower limit. This is just a mere illustration of what the county board could look at for balanced Divisional clubs. 5 intermediate clubs for one divisional club seems excessive. |
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Post by mike70 on Oct 1, 2024 20:57:35 GMT
Divisional teams are artificial constructs and subject to change every year as it currently stands. So the county board taking ownership of and responsibility for this with the intention of improving the senior championship is not an outlandish idea. Things being difficult isn’t a sufficient reason for a dereliction of duties East Kerry 5-2 (12) St. Brendan's 3-3 (9) Mid Kerry 3-1 (7) South Kerry 1-3 (5) St. Kieran's 1-3 (5) West Kerry 1-2 (4) Feale Rangers 1-1 (3) Shannon Rangers 1-1 (3) A ranking of Divisional club strength based on 2 divisional points per intermediate club and 1 divisional point per junior premier club. East Kerry is in split territory with 12 divisional points. Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers are in amalgamation territory with 3 divisional points each, for a combined total of 6 divisional points. Arguably St. Brendan's on 9 divisional points is the upper limit. West Kerry on 4 divisional points is arguably the lower limit. This is just a mere illustration of what the county board could look at for balanced Divisional clubs. 5 intermediate clubs for one divisional club seems excessive. Nice presentation of divisional side strength. |
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Post by mossie on Oct 1, 2024 23:07:31 GMT
I agree that the makeup of divisional teams needs to be reviewed on an ongoing basis but it can’t be changed too often either. If players are being moved from one divisional team to another too often they will be less likely to commit the divisional teams. Take the example of St Pats that was given above moving to West Kerry. Fine, but then Stacks & Rahillys win intermediate and are back senior. St Brendan’s are much weaker so St Pats go back in there. Then one of the Tralee clubs gets relegated and St Pats could be on the move again. While they are artificial constructs, I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the 2 most successful divisions of the last 20 years or so (South Kerry & East Kerry) had college teams which provided the backbone of their teams. These teams were used to playing with each other and used to having success. I think other divisional teams are lacking on that front and that’s a hard thing to change. Very good point also there is a historical and identity thing here too the interchangeable teams ie on the borders etc it would be hard get buy in I'd imagine ie 3 or four years with west kerry then 2 or 3 with brendans and back again. I can't talk for every district but I think some like south Kerry West kerry and kenmare when it was there have a kind of a bond through schools etc. Growing up that it feels natural to play together and get supporter buy in. u are talking sense there |
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Post by mossie on Oct 1, 2024 23:13:12 GMT
Fixtures confirmed for quarter finals: Saturday October 5th: St. Brendans v Kenmare Shamrocks @ 3.30pm in Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney. Sunday October 6th: Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney Templenoe v Dingle @ 1.30pm Dr. Crokes v Rathmore @ 3.30pm Austin Stack Park Tralee East Kerry v St. Kierans @ 2pm Supposed to be ladies finals fixed for Tralee on Sunday, not sure what the plan is for them now. St Brendans, Dingle , Dr Crokes, East Kerry with Kenmare mostly likely to upset that prediction is how I expect most people see it? |
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Post by shannonsider on Oct 2, 2024 9:49:49 GMT
Divisional teams are artificial constructs and subject to change every year as it currently stands. So the county board taking ownership of and responsibility for this with the intention of improving the senior championship is not an outlandish idea. Things being difficult isn’t a sufficient reason for a dereliction of duties East Kerry 5-2 (12) St. Brendan's 3-3 (9) Mid Kerry 3-1 (7) South Kerry 1-3 (5) St. Kieran's 1-3 (5) West Kerry 1-2 (4) Feale Rangers 1-1 (3) Shannon Rangers 1-1 (3) A ranking of Divisional club strength based on 2 divisional points per intermediate club and 1 divisional point per junior premier club. East Kerry is in split territory with 12 divisional points. Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers are in amalgamation territory with 3 divisional points each, for a combined total of 6 divisional points. Arguably St. Brendan's on 9 divisional points is the upper limit. West Kerry on 4 divisional points is arguably the lower limit. This is just a mere illustration of what the county board could look at for balanced Divisional clubs. 5 intermediate clubs for one divisional club seems excessive. That a great analysis legendz fair play. And it paints a clear picture. There's a total imbalance there. If we take the very non drastic step of amalgamating Shannon and Feale Rangers and if Austin Stacks win the Intermediate then you would have the following: East Kerry 5-2 (12) Mid Kerry 3-1 (7) Brendans 2-3 (6) North Kerry 2-2 (6) South Kerry 1-3 (5) Kierans 1-3 (5) West Kerry 1-2 (4) None of that however alleviates the main problem which is at the top of the table! And as I said in a previous post - I don't see this problem getting any better in the near future because the likes of Fossa, Kilcummin, Glenflesk and Legion will be doing well to win an Intermediate title. And even if 1 of them wins it, that only brings you down to 10 pts. Indeed in a few weeks it could be a 13 point total for EK as Firies could well be Intermediate also. To me, it's clear as day that you have to split East Kerry for a 2-3 year run looking at the above. It's a dead competition for the next few years if you don't. So split them into 1.Eoghan Ruadh (Glenflesk, Gneeveguilla, Kilcummin, Kilgarvan + Rathmore for Underage and if relegated at any time) 2.East Kerry (Legion, Firies, Fossa, Listry +Spa (for underage & SFC if relegated + Crokes for Underage if not fielding themselves) Right now pts totals would read, Eoghan Ruadh (6) East Kerry (7) And just to go full on here a thrown together possible starting 15 for each right now might be something like this: Eoghan Ruadh 1.Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2.Owen Fitzgerald (G'guilla) 3.Dara O'Callaghan (Kilcummin) 4.Chris O'Leary (Kilcummin) 5.Seánie Leary (Kilcummin) 6.Cian Lynch (Glenflesk) 7.Daniel O'Brien (Glenflesk) 8.Paudie O'Leary (G'guilla) 9.Jamie Moynihan (Glenflesk) 10.Patrick D'arcy (Glenflesk) 11.Luke Crowley (Glenflesk) 12.Donal Down (Kilgarvan) 13.Philip O'Leary (Kilcummin) 14.Darragh Roche (Glenflesk) 15.Paul O'Shea (Kilcummin) Others who could play Killian O'Sullivan (Glenflesk) Shane O'Sullivan (G'Guilla) John O'Leary (G'guilla) Dylan Roche (Glenflesk) Philip Casey (Kilcummin) Pa Warren (G'Guilla) Kieran Murphy (Kilcummin) + many more East Kerry 1.Brian Kelly (Legion) 2.Niall Donohue (Firies) 3.Jack Sherwood (Firies) 4.Rob Leen (Legion) 5.Rian Colleran (Fossa) 6.Kieran O'Sullivan (Fossa) 7.Cian Gammell (Legion) 8.Matt Rennie (Fossa) 9.Darragh Lyne (Legion) 10.Ronan Buckley (Listry) 11.Paudie Clifford (Fossa) 12.Ruari Murphy (Listry) 13.Will Shine (Legion) 14.David Clifford (Fossa) 15.Emmet O'Shea (Fossa) Others Aaron O'Shea (Listry) Pádraig de Brún (Firies) Eoghan O'Sullivan (Legion) Finbarr Murphy (Legion) Cian O'Shea (Fossa) Diarmuid O'Mahony (Firies) Now, enough food for thought there! Can get back to it after SFC finishes maybe. |
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Post by kerrysouth on Oct 2, 2024 11:27:59 GMT
Everything thing is cyclical my own division South Kerry were very successful in the noughties along with Laune Rangers and Feale Rangers then you had the Crokes dominance followed by East Kerry look at Brendans they have the whole town of Tralee almost and beyond yet they prob won’t win the championship and who could have envisaged that.There are five out of 8 clubs left in the championship and while Feale Rangers were really poor despite having a host of Kerry underage players to call on I thought Shannon rangers were reasonably competitive .Look at the premiership in England only 3 or 4 teams can realistically expect to win it and we are living in fantasy land if we think that by constant tinkering with the championship that all these teams are suddenly going to become competitive or even interested .By increasing the number of senior club teams to 10 and looking at the stronger teams left in the intermediate you will have a natural weakening of the stronger divisions anyway over the next few years .
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Post by cornerflag on Oct 2, 2024 11:36:02 GMT
We used to say that the county champ was a way to showcase players from smaller clubs. With the rise in popularity of the Prem Junior and Intermediate club championships is this still valid argument for the county Champ. Has anyone shone in the last few weeks that wasn’t already on the radar .
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Post by shannonsider on Oct 2, 2024 12:44:40 GMT
Everything thing is cyclical my own division South Kerry were very successful in the noughties along with Laune Rangers and Feale Rangers then you had the Crokes dominance followed by East Kerry look at Brendans they have the whole town of Tralee almost and beyond yet they prob won’t win the championship and who could have envisaged that.There are five out of 8 clubs left in the championship and while Feale Rangers were really poor despite having a host of Kerry underage players to call on I thought Shannon rangers were reasonably competitive .Look at the premiership in England only 3 or 4 teams can realistically expect to win it and we are living in fantasy land if we think that by constant tinkering with the championship that all these teams are suddenly going to become competitive or even interested .By increasing the number of senior club teams to 10 and looking at the stronger teams left in the intermediate you will have a natural weakening of the stronger divisions anyway over the next few years . How exactly do you envisage East Kerry having a “natural weakening” in the next 2-3 years though? This is the problem. They are way ahead of every team right now - no East Kerry intermediate team is promoted for 2025. Are any of the East Kerry intermediate teams going to go up in 2026, 2027? Legion, Glenflesk, Fossa, Kilcummin are very strong but might just fall short of winning Intermediate, which leaves them with East Kerry, which leaves us with a foregone conclusion of a SFC. Which is why I would strongly favour reviewing the situation. |
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 2, 2024 15:07:30 GMT
That’s a completely obvious move that the County board should just force at this stage. Shannon Rangers and Feale Rangers aren’t serious entities at this stage unfortunately. A combined NK team if done right with good people on management would be competitive. Ironically I think such has been the strength in NK underage in recent years that you could comfortably have had 2 Minor and U20s teams in county championship - maybe that’s a temporary thing but if that continues I’d favour a reverse of current system. Shannon Rangers and Feale Rangers enter minor and u20 championships and one Senior NK team. Widens the net and gives more underage players exposure to a high level and then should make the Senior situation a bit better. West Kerry have a terrible record in recent times, why all the focus on Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers when they are not performing In fact they have performed better than other divisional teams Shannon Rangers performed better than a good few divisional and club teams in 2024 Because there's long been an obsession with North Kerry having to be looked after and how the world is out to get them. Over the years on here people would be abused if they didn't name lads from North Kerry as being part of underage teams etc South Kerry football has hugely dropped off in the last few years yet no one seems to be worried about it, same thing with West Kerry. |
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Post by dc84 on Oct 2, 2024 15:14:59 GMT
Eoghan rua is a good idea strong geographical ties a lot of very good clubs with young talent. It gives a natural home to tousist and kilgarvan aswell.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 2, 2024 19:07:02 GMT
East Kerry 5-2 (12) St. Brendan's 3-3 (9) Mid Kerry 3-1 (7) South Kerry 1-3 (5) St. Kieran's 1-3 (5) West Kerry 1-2 (4) Feale Rangers 1-1 (3) Shannon Rangers 1-1 (3) A ranking of Divisional club strength based on 2 divisional points per intermediate club and 1 divisional point per junior premier club. East Kerry is in split territory with 12 divisional points. Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers are in amalgamation territory with 3 divisional points each, for a combined total of 6 divisional points. Arguably St. Brendan's on 9 divisional points is the upper limit. West Kerry on 4 divisional points is arguably the lower limit. This is just a mere illustration of what the county board could look at for balanced Divisional clubs. 5 intermediate clubs for one divisional club seems excessive. That a great analysis legendz fair play. And it paints a clear picture. There's a total imbalance there. If we take the very non drastic step of amalgamating Shannon and Feale Rangers and if Austin Stacks win the Intermediate then you would have the following: East Kerry 5-2 (12) Mid Kerry 3-1 (7) Brendans 2-3 (6) North Kerry 2-2 (6) South Kerry 1-3 (5) Kierans 1-3 (5) West Kerry 1-2 (4) None of that however alleviates the main problem which is at the top of the table! And as I said in a previous post - I don't see this problem getting any better in the near future because the likes of Fossa, Kilcummin, Glenflesk and Legion will be doing well to win an Intermediate title. And even if 1 of them wins it, that only brings you down to 10 pts. Indeed in a few weeks it could be a 13 point total for EK as Firies could well be Intermediate also. To me, it's clear as day that you have to split East Kerry for a 2-3 year run looking at the above. It's a dead competition for the next few years if you don't. So split them into 1.Eoghan Ruadh (Glenflesk, Gneeveguilla, Kilcummin, Kilgarvan + Rathmore for Underage and if relegated at any time) 2.East Kerry (Legion, Firies, Fossa, Listry +Spa (for underage & SFC if relegated + Crokes for Underage if not fielding themselves) Right now pts totals would read, Eoghan Ruadh (6) East Kerry (7) And just to go full on here a thrown together possible starting 15 for each right now might be something like this: Eoghan Ruadh 1.Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2.Owen Fitzgerald (G'guilla) 3.Dara O'Callaghan (Kilcummin) 4.Chris O'Leary (Kilcummin) 5.Seánie Leary (Kilcummin) 6.Cian Lynch (Glenflesk) 7.Daniel O'Brien (Glenflesk) 8.Paudie O'Leary (G'guilla) 9.Jamie Moynihan (Glenflesk) 10.Patrick D'arcy (Glenflesk) 11.Luke Crowley (Glenflesk) 12.Donal Down (Kilgarvan) 13.Philip O'Leary (Kilcummin) 14.Darragh Roche (Glenflesk) 15.Paul O'Shea (Kilcummin) Others who could play Killian O'Sullivan (Glenflesk) Shane O'Sullivan (G'Guilla) John O'Leary (G'guilla) Dylan Roche (Glenflesk) Philip Casey (Kilcummin) Pa Warren (G'Guilla) Kieran Murphy (Kilcummin) + many more East Kerry 1.Brian Kelly (Legion) 2.Niall Donohue (Firies) 3.Jack Sherwood (Firies) 4.Rob Leen (Legion) 5.Rian Colleran (Fossa) 6.Kieran O'Sullivan (Fossa) 7.Cian Gammell (Legion) 8.Matt Rennie (Fossa) 9.Darragh Lyne (Legion) 10.Ronan Buckley (Listry) 11.Paudie Clifford (Fossa) 12.Ruari Murphy (Listry) 13.Will Shine (Legion) 14.David Clifford (Fossa) 15.Emmet O'Shea (Fossa) Others Aaron O'Shea (Listry) Pádraig de Brún (Firies) Eoghan O'Sullivan (Legion) Finbarr Murphy (Legion) Cian O'Shea (Fossa) Diarmuid O'Mahony (Firies) Now, enough food for thought there! Can get back to it after SFC finishes maybe. 2 very strong sides still. For reference a combined North Kerry 15 based off players who played county championship this year 1. Jack Enright (Listowel) 2. David Mulvihill (Tarbert) 3. Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue) 4. Jack McElligott (Listowel) 5. Adam Segal (Ballyduff) 6. Eddie Healy (Listowel) 7. Conor Kennelly (St Senans) 8. Rob Stack (Beale) 9. Cillian Trant (St Senans) 10. Jack O’Sullivan (Ballyduff) 11. Kevin Goulding (Ballyduff) 12. Evan Boyle (Ballyduff) 13. Cormac Dillon (Duagh) 14. Cormac Mulvihill (Listowel) 15. Jack Kennelly (Ballydonoghue) There’s a few lads who could come into it from Listowel as well as Barry Mahony and Gavin O’Keefe was a good Kerry minor this year. On paper both East Kerry teams still look stronger but there isn’t a huge gap. |
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Post by exiled on Oct 2, 2024 20:21:09 GMT
This is a political problem as well as Pat Spillane said in his review some years back. With the demise of farming in disadvantaged areas to part time at best there are no jobs to keep people in these areas.Clubs in these areas will have to amalgate to survive.
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Post by tribeofciar on Oct 3, 2024 15:22:05 GMT
With East Kerry playing St Kieran's this weekend, it's interesting to look back and see how things have changed in fifteen years.
At present, East Kerry are seen as hot favourites for the county championship, with some talk of them being too powerful and breaking up into Eoghan Ruadh and East Kerry.
Looking at the terrace talk website, this article was written by Weeshie Fogarty (RIP) about the present demise (in 2009) of the East Kerry team, playing the same opposition.
It's funny how things have changed.
Last Saturday in the superbly prepared grounds of Ballymaclligott I witnessed East Kerry suffer one of the most humiliating defeats ever visited on the wearers of the once greatly feared red shirts. St Kieran's ran riot as they chalked up the massive score of 5-21 against a hugely under strength East Kerry side who replied with just eight points. In fairness to Charlie Farrellys St Kieran's men they completely eased off as the final quarter arrived and introduced a string of subs. But behind this massive score line lies the story of little cooperation and refusal by some clubs to help in the fielding of a full strength team for this important clash. As a past player of East Kerry, I lined out with them for over ten years through good times and bad, I find it a very sad state of affairs indeed that any footballer in this hugely efficient and highly organized division would turn down the opportunity to play in the Kerry senior football championship. Danger signals are flashing for divisional football in this county as any club now good enough to win the Intermediate have the right to enter the senior county championship on their own. Nevertheless the county board would want to keep a close eye on the unfolding football landscape in Kerry. It is my total belief that only for the very strong divisional teams down the decades Kerry would NOT have won the thirty six All Ireland titles they hold to day. If divisional teams continue to disintegrate the supply of powerful, highly trained and experienced players will not be available to the Kerry management.
Following the game last Saturday I spoke with a clearly frustrated chairman of the East Kerry board Dermot Griffin and he pulled no punches in relation to where the blame lay for this massive defeat. "It's very difficult and we have our problems, we are not getting cooperation from some of the players and some of the bigger clubs" he began " We knew during the week we had problems and we were very lucky to get a team out on the field to day and we appreciate very much the fellows that came out. We had eighteen fellows out there and we applaud and thank them". I put it to Dermot that not getting cooperation must be hugely disappointing. "Yes it's very disappointing of course and we are wondering what we are doing wrong. There seems to huge emphasis on club football now and people are concentrating on Intermediate and Junior championships and club championships. Of course they are great in many ways and to see you local team and parish play in Croke Park is a great thing but they have taken their toll on districts boards. Also there are a lot of club trainers coming in from outside and their aim and total effort is to promote the club only. District board football is suffering immensely".
So the big question for the chairman and I put it to him is the day coming when we will not see an East Kerry team contesting the county championship? "I wouldn't rule it our Weeshie, it's quite possible but while I am chairman of the East Kerry board its up to the six clubs that amalgamate the East Kerry team. We are a bit unique really as we have five or six different combinations playing county championship football such as Kilcummin, Rathmore, Crokes and your own club The Legion while Currow, Cordal and Scartaglin are part of the St Kieran's set up so we are very unique in that". When I put it to Dermot that clubs are breaking away on a regular basis he pointed out that the reason here is because there are very strong clubs in East Kerry. Once again this exemplary chairman of the board made it perfectly clear the onus is on the clubs. So what message would he send out to them following this humiliating defeat? "Very simple and that is the onus is on the clubs and not on the board and not on me as chairman of that board. I am and will be trying very hard but the six clubs will have to stand up and do some thing about it. They are obliged to give senior championship football to their players, now if they don't want to do that then that's fine. However as far as I am concerned the onus is on them and we will facilitate them in every way we can but they will have to make the effort, take the bull by the horns and get on with it".
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Post by Control8 on Oct 3, 2024 19:43:36 GMT
From tribeofciar above (post not visible to all, so I'm copying it in full):
With East Kerry playing St Kieran's this weekend, it's interesting to look back and see how things have changed in fifteen years.
At present, East Kerry are seen as hot favourites for the county championship, with some talk of them being too powerful and breaking up into Eoghan Ruadh and East Kerry.
Looking at the terrace talk website, this article was written by Weeshie Fogarty (RIP) about the present demise (in 2009) of the East Kerry team, playing the same opposition.
It's funny how things have changed.
Last Saturday in the superbly prepared grounds of Ballymaclligott I witnessed East Kerry suffer one of the most humiliating defeats ever visited on the wearers of the once greatly feared red shirts. St Kieran's ran riot as they chalked up the massive score of 5-21 against a hugely under strength East Kerry side who replied with just eight points. In fairness to Charlie Farrellys St Kieran's men they completely eased off as the final quarter arrived and introduced a string of subs. But behind this massive score line lies the story of little cooperation and refusal by some clubs to help in the fielding of a full strength team for this important clash. As a past player of East Kerry, I lined out with them for over ten years through good times and bad, I find it a very sad state of affairs indeed that any footballer in this hugely efficient and highly organized division would turn down the opportunity to play in the Kerry senior football championship. Danger signals are flashing for divisional football in this county as any club now good enough to win the Intermediate have the right to enter the senior county championship on their own. Nevertheless the county board would want to keep a close eye on the unfolding football landscape in Kerry. It is my total belief that only for the very strong divisional teams down the decades Kerry would NOT have won the thirty six All Ireland titles they hold to day. If divisional teams continue to disintegrate the supply of powerful, highly trained and experienced players will not be available to the Kerry management.
Following the game last Saturday I spoke with a clearly frustrated chairman of the East Kerry board Dermot Griffin and he pulled no punches in relation to where the blame lay for this massive defeat. "It's very difficult and we have our problems, we are not getting cooperation from some of the players and some of the bigger clubs" he began " We knew during the week we had problems and we were very lucky to get a team out on the field to day and we appreciate very much the fellows that came out. We had eighteen fellows out there and we applaud and thank them". I put it to Dermot that not getting cooperation must be hugely disappointing. "Yes it's very disappointing of course and we are wondering what we are doing wrong. There seems to huge emphasis on club football now and people are concentrating on Intermediate and Junior championships and club championships. Of course they are great in many ways and to see you local team and parish play in Croke Park is a great thing but they have taken their toll on districts boards. Also there are a lot of club trainers coming in from outside and their aim and total effort is to promote the club only. District board football is suffering immensely".
So the big question for the chairman and I put it to him is the day coming when we will not see an East Kerry team contesting the county championship? "I wouldn't rule it our Weeshie, it's quite possible but while I am chairman of the East Kerry board its up to the six clubs that amalgamate the East Kerry team. We are a bit unique really as we have five or six different combinations playing county championship football such as Kilcummin, Rathmore, Crokes and your own club The Legion while Currow, Cordal and Scartaglin are part of the St Kieran's set up so we are very unique in that". When I put it to Dermot that clubs are breaking away on a regular basis he pointed out that the reason here is because there are very strong clubs in East Kerry. Once again this exemplary chairman of the board made it perfectly clear the onus is on the clubs. So what message would he send out to them following this humiliating defeat? "Very simple and that is the onus is on the clubs and not on the board and not on me as chairman of that board. I am and will be trying very hard but the six clubs will have to stand up and do some thing about it. They are obliged to give senior championship football to their players, now if they don't want to do that then that's fine. However as far as I am concerned the onus is on them and we will facilitate them in every way we can but they will have to make the effort, take the bull by the horns and get on with it".
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Post by Control8 on Oct 3, 2024 21:37:24 GMT
FIXTURE ALERT
From the website, the St. Brendan's v Kenmare Shamrocks game which was originally fixed for Saturday 5 October, will now take place on Sunday 6 October with time and venue to be confirmed on Friday morning.
Both Novice games set for Saturday will now be at Noon on Sunday (first named team at home): Moyvane v Asdee, Valentia v Tuosist.
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 4, 2024 8:54:23 GMT
With East Kerry playing St Kieran's this weekend, it's interesting to look back and see how things have changed in fifteen years. At present, East Kerry are seen as hot favourites for the county championship, with some talk of them being too powerful and breaking up into Eoghan Ruadh and East Kerry. Looking at the terrace talk website, this article was written by Weeshie Fogarty (RIP) about the present demise (in 2009) of the East Kerry team, playing the same opposition. It's funny how things have changed. Last Saturday in the superbly prepared grounds of Ballymaclligott I witnessed East Kerry suffer one of the most humiliating defeats ever visited on the wearers of the once greatly feared red shirts. St Kieran's ran riot as they chalked up the massive score of 5-21 against a hugely under strength East Kerry side who replied with just eight points. In fairness to Charlie Farrellys St Kieran's men they completely eased off as the final quarter arrived and introduced a string of subs. But behind this massive score line lies the story of little cooperation and refusal by some clubs to help in the fielding of a full strength team for this important clash. As a past player of East Kerry, I lined out with them for over ten years through good times and bad, I find it a very sad state of affairs indeed that any footballer in this hugely efficient and highly organized division would turn down the opportunity to play in the Kerry senior football championship. Danger signals are flashing for divisional football in this county as any club now good enough to win the Intermediate have the right to enter the senior county championship on their own. Nevertheless the county board would want to keep a close eye on the unfolding football landscape in Kerry. It is my total belief that only for the very strong divisional teams down the decades Kerry would NOT have won the thirty six All Ireland titles they hold to day. If divisional teams continue to disintegrate the supply of powerful, highly trained and experienced players will not be available to the Kerry management. Following the game last Saturday I spoke with a clearly frustrated chairman of the East Kerry board Dermot Griffin and he pulled no punches in relation to where the blame lay for this massive defeat. "It's very difficult and we have our problems, we are not getting cooperation from some of the players and some of the bigger clubs" he began " We knew during the week we had problems and we were very lucky to get a team out on the field to day and we appreciate very much the fellows that came out. We had eighteen fellows out there and we applaud and thank them". I put it to Dermot that not getting cooperation must be hugely disappointing. "Yes it's very disappointing of course and we are wondering what we are doing wrong. There seems to huge emphasis on club football now and people are concentrating on Intermediate and Junior championships and club championships. Of course they are great in many ways and to see you local team and parish play in Croke Park is a great thing but they have taken their toll on districts boards. Also there are a lot of club trainers coming in from outside and their aim and total effort is to promote the club only. District board football is suffering immensely". So the big question for the chairman and I put it to him is the day coming when we will not see an East Kerry team contesting the county championship? "I wouldn't rule it our Weeshie, it's quite possible but while I am chairman of the East Kerry board its up to the six clubs that amalgamate the East Kerry team. We are a bit unique really as we have five or six different combinations playing county championship football such as Kilcummin, Rathmore, Crokes and your own club The Legion while Currow, Cordal and Scartaglin are part of the St Kieran's set up so we are very unique in that". When I put it to Dermot that clubs are breaking away on a regular basis he pointed out that the reason here is because there are very strong clubs in East Kerry. Once again this exemplary chairman of the board made it perfectly clear the onus is on the clubs. So what message would he send out to them following this humiliating defeat? "Very simple and that is the onus is on the clubs and not on the board and not on me as chairman of that board. I am and will be trying very hard but the six clubs will have to stand up and do some thing about it. They are obliged to give senior championship football to their players, now if they don't want to do that then that's fine. However as far as I am concerned the onus is on them and we will facilitate them in every way we can but they will have to make the effort, take the bull by the horns and get on with it". This is the point about all of this. It's the same in Cork when UCC or a divisional team win all of a sudden It's a big issue. For close to 10 years East Kerry were one of the weaker divisional teams, especially in the late 2000s early 2010s. I might be wrong but I have it in my head that one year they even gave a walk over in the championship. But no one was worried about them then. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Oct 4, 2024 10:05:04 GMT
A county championship quarter final should be on in either Fitzgerald Stadium or ASP, wrong if it isn’t..
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Post by cornerflag on Oct 4, 2024 12:23:58 GMT
Totally agree that there are ups and downs and East went through a barren time before however , we need to look at the divisions in light of the changing population in Kerry .. west and South are depopulated while the urban population is rising .. the Killarney commuter belt is growing and this is all East Kerry so that’s the reason we need to redraw not just that East have won a few in a row
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 4, 2024 13:32:08 GMT
FIXTURE ALERTFrom the website, the St. Brendan's v Kenmare Shamrocks game which was originally fixed for Saturday 5 October, will now take place on Sunday 6 October with time and venue to be confirmed on Friday morning. Both Novice games set for Saturday will now be at Noon on Sunday (first named team at home): Moyvane v Asdee, Valentia v Tuosist. St Brendans/Kenmare now on in Beaufort on Sunday @ 2 pm |
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Post by dp90 on Oct 6, 2024 13:41:19 GMT
Dingle beginning to pull away in the first of the quarter finals. Entertaining first half but second half officiating has killed off the game. Very frustrating to watch as a neutral.
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Post by veteran on Oct 6, 2024 16:13:59 GMT
East Kerry 1-14. St. Kierans 1-12. HT 1-6 each.
Apart from a stiff breeze, this was a perfect day for football. East Kerry had the breeze advantage in the first half.
East Kerry were the more impressive in the early stages and slipped into a couple of points lead. Paudie Clifford cut in from the right corner , centred across the goal line for the industrious Paud O’Leary to punch home. It looked then that East Kerry would canter to the end. Brian Leonard thought otherwise. Playing at full back, he ventured forward ,looked to be fouled a few times, got the advantage and crashed home a fine goal, No cantering home after that. They went in level a half time after an entertaining contest.
The second half continued to be closely contested, albeit East Kerry always looked the more likely winners, however the standard deteriorated with too much much niggle. All this niggle invited a lot of cards and therefore a lot of stoppages. It meant the referee was kept far too busy.
Overall , East Kerry deserved their victory but I have rarely seen them so bedraggled. On this evidence, they are not invincible.
Cian Lynch and Paud O’Leary were very impressive in the East Kerry half back line. It appeared to me that they struggled at stages at midfield but they made a crucial switch. Matt Rennie
was replaced and Darragh Lyne joined the solid Ronan Buckley out there. Darragh had a terrific second half. The more I see of this man the more I am impressed.
Like Darragh Lyne, Ruairi Murphy finished very strongly. He will be an asset for us next year. Needless to say , Paudie was hugely influential. However, towards the end when St. Kierans were pressing threateningly he pulled down his man. I cannot understand how he escaped the censure of a black card.
David scored some beauties from play and frees. Late in the game , he fed the on rushing Darragh Lyne with a sumptuous foot pass. Darragh cracked it against the crossbar.
A word about Luke Crowley. I have rarely seen a player fouled with impunity so often off the ball. I don’t think he got one free. Memo to Luke: perhaps you should seriously think about the hurling. Your skills may be better rewarded in that code.
There were times when St. Kierans weren’t entirely happy with the referee. There were times when that disgruntlement was justified but there were too many times when their lack of discipline cost them dearly.
Brian Leonard did his best against DC and I was very impressed with Michael Reidy at wingback.
I saw Sean O’Connell at the tail end of the recent Cordal/ Tarbert game where he caught my eye. Similarly, today at midfield he toiled long and hard. He is not over big but he can climb up for a ball and kicks well.
As always the man for all seasons, Philip O’Connor , was a perpetual menace on the forty kicking a couple of fine points. What a consistent contributor this man has been over the years.
Eddie Horan at full forward also caused problems for East Kerry but it was Paul Walsh from Brosna who carried the most scoring threat. Paul has been shorn of a lot of his hair since last I saw him but he hasn’t been shorn of any of his ingenuity. He kicked three or four and had hard luck for a few more.
P.S. Neither Adam Donoghue or Adam O’Donoghue from Castleisland were present. Why?
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