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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 14, 2024 13:25:56 GMT
What a class act and wonderful sportman Kieran Donaghy is. I hope someday we see Kieran involved with us and I think he would make an excellent Kerry manager in the future. When the position is available again I do hope his considered by the powers that be.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 14, 2024 13:26:32 GMT
On another note.We brushed off some poor displays in league last two years as cobwebs etc .Well maybe the signs were there.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 14, 2024 13:26:48 GMT
The title of a Tom Clancy novel keeps ringing in my hear - the sum of all fears.
The weaknesses we talked about al year came home to roost yesterday - and we added another which is resilience. From a winning position we took a self inflicted sucker punch with a cheap giveaway goal. This gave oxygen to the Armagh team and crowd and we could not rise to the occasion.
We lost big players to cramp in the latter stages and did not have the energy or the legs to compete effectively which asks serious questions of our preparation program.
Ultimately a sucker goal and too many wides were our downfall but the 2024 game plan of caution and containment also played its part. Surely we are better footballers than what we showed yesterday but the system prevailed and protect the ball meant there was no attempt to break fast.
The Armagh fans were immense and gracious in their victory - unlike some of their neighbours they basked in the joy of winning and had nothing negative or derogatory to roar at the deflated Kerry supporters as we made our way from Croke Park - sincere best wishes to them in the final.
The GAA Gods have decided 2024 was to be a year of change in hurling and football and none of the favoured teams will be in the finals which will be welcomed by the GAA community at large.
We have to look to 2025 when surely some of yesterdays warriors will have retired and hopefully some new blood will bring renewed hope but the system of play if continued will continue to be a millstone around our necks.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 14, 2024 13:31:43 GMT
Preface this with Kerry also produced a pox goal...
I don't think the Armagh goal alone was the difference between the sides... but the possibility of a goal like that was exactly what I was crowing about in the Derry match. It needn't have been that tight with Derry.
The issues I raised from the Derry match were very much addressed in the Armagh match though... so this is not a I Told You So.
PS: It is on Twitter that McCambridge was an accomplished handball player and it that sense the finish had some skill to it.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 14, 2024 13:32:05 GMT
I agree that our defensive system was solid all year, unfortunately our forward power was not there this year, the standards set by our forwards in previous years, was definetly missing this year and no doubt about it our marquee forwards have not been at their best.
We definetly need to look at our conditioning this campaign, it’s been off the mark all summer.
Again after re watching the game, hats off to Armagh, they were immense last 40 minutes including ET.
As for management, I am still with Jack, but as others have suggested maybe EF in to add a new voice.
As for the players, I think the best are in the squad for now.
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Post by playitfair on Jul 14, 2024 13:55:28 GMT
Preface this with Kerry also produced a pox goal... I don't think the Armagh goal alone was the difference between the sides... but the possibility of a goal like that was exactly what I was crowing about in the Derry match. It needn't have been that tight with Derry. The issues I raised from the Derry match were very much addressed in the Armagh match though... so this is not a I Told You So. PS: It is on Twitter that McCambridge was an accomplished handball player and it that sense the finish had some skill to it. I thought it was a super finish. |
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jul 14, 2024 13:57:32 GMT
Preface this with Kerry also produced a pox goal... I don't think the Armagh goal alone was the difference between the sides... but the possibility of a goal like that was exactly what I was crowing about in the Derry match. It needn't have been that tight with Derry. The issues I raised from the Derry match were very much addressed in the Armagh match though... so this is not a I Told You So. PS: It is on Twitter that McCambridge was an accomplished handball player and it that sense the finish had some skill to it. I thought it was a super finish. Correct about McCambridge, a fine handballer. His sister Clodagh (current captain of the Armagh ladies I think?) has numerous handball titles and represented Northern Ireland for years. So definitely a handball family! It was a great finish. |
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Post by gaaforlife on Jul 14, 2024 14:00:58 GMT
Post 2022, bar a minority, most commentators on here, in the county, and further beyond, didn't think this was going to be a "dynasty" team, and unfortunately that has played out. Kerry will be there or thereabouts of course --- might again be the favourite at some point of the season, might win it, but it is very much hope rather than expectation. I don't think this "great" team is out there in the county. They're very good. Top three or four in the country next year, but not going to dominate. But I think they are doing their best and there were some heroics yesterday. I genuinely thought this Kerry team would dominate once Dublin weakened but it doesn't look like it now. They're not clinical or ruthless enough like Dublin were. Dublin would've buried those goal chances. I was certain Clifford would lift the 40th Sam Maguire soon but now it looks like it'll take him his whole career. Shame say they tried hard but it's average team too many passengers especially up front |
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Post by iceman on Jul 14, 2024 14:46:02 GMT
Will be fairly depressing if this management stay in place, this years game plan was appalling and the players deserve much better, i dunno what planet they are living on that they thought it was a good idea to have David Clifford sprinting the length of the field chasing Armagh defenders, and dont start me on the slow deliberate build up play
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Post by mg72 on Jul 14, 2024 15:13:48 GMT
Disappointing to lose yesterday. It was a match that was as good as won, but it's never won until the final whistle is blown.
The slow build up and slow transition of the ball from defence to attack from the very beginning was a worry. The ball has to be carried a lot faster, or preferably kicked forward faster. It's not rocket science! Get the ball forward fast before the opposition get their men behind their 45.
There's another thread on the boards about Kerry not scoring goals, and this is one reason that we lost. This has been an issue for a long time. We're not creating enough goal chances, and when we do, a lot of them are either fisted over or butchered altogether. Teams have to be put away when you have the chances to do so.
The preparation from the beginning of the year has to be questioned.
If you're going to use players at the business end of the championship, then they have to get meaningful game time in the league, in the Munster championship and in the Sam McGuire group matches. An example of this is that all of the midfield hopes were put on the 2 O'Connors since the start of the season. I'm not giving out about Barry Dan and Cillian Burke, but putting the pressure on them to perform at midfield in extra time without having any meaningful game time there before yesterday reeks of bad planning on the management's side.
Players who are playing at that level suffering from cramp with 5 minutes left in a 70 minute match shines a bad light on the strength and conditioning training that they're doing. This needs to be seriously looked at and rectified. Again, the players can't be faulted for this, as they're following whatever training plans are put in place for them.
At one stage in the 2nd half, with Armagh attacking, I think it was Seanie that won the ball back about 60 yards out from our goals on the Cusack side. The ball was moved forward quickly for once, but it was Paul Murphy and Jason Foley who were on the receiving end of the quick ball. Needless to say, the ball was lost. Not slagging those 2 great players, but there seems to be very little structure in how Kerry attack. Too many times we see the backs up the pitch clogging things up and getting on the end of promising moves. It's all very well when they get a few scores like Tom an Paul did against Derry, but it's not consistent enough for it to be a plan all of the time. In the instance that I highlighted, I'd much rather see Jason or Paul winning it back, and transferring it on quickly to Seanie.
Anyway, it's back to the drawing board again. The way that Kerry have been playing for the last couple of years hasn't worked, and won't work next year if things don't change. A new gameplan is needed, but will the present management team make the changes needed. I'm not so sure.
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Post by dano on Jul 14, 2024 15:18:43 GMT
As the saying goes we are all blinded by our own so maybe look at outsiders views.The common consenses from outsiders at mo on social media is Kerry are boring and when Clifford is held we are very average.Jack O Connor not playing to Kerry s natural habits and most say Kerry support is abysmal and the worst in Ireland.Its sad to see those comments but hard to argue with it.Donegal and Galway are there in huge numbers today. Yes. Kerry’s support is very poor. Even at finals we are usually out colored, out vocalled and out numbered. The team must sense this. Yesterday , for certain when the game was in the melting pot, the Armagh supporters helped the cause. Only ‘97 can I remember such color and noise from the Kerry Supporters. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 14, 2024 15:30:32 GMT
The support thing is a wee bit overblown.
Those lads are so tuned in and not focused on the noise around them.
We were the better team for large portions of that game and no goals and we'd have won.
What I cannot fathom is how we lost our composure exactly like last years final yet we hadn't worked on scenarios if that happened again.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 14, 2024 15:31:48 GMT
Lots of blame for management and tactics which is fair enough but the shooting efficiency and lack of composure by numerous players also needs to be mentioned.
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 14, 2024 15:36:23 GMT
As the saying goes we are all blinded by our own so maybe look at outsiders views.The common consenses from outsiders at mo on social media is Kerry are boring and when Clifford is held we are very average.Jack O Connor not playing to Kerry s natural habits and most say Kerry support is abysmal and the worst in Ireland.Its sad to see those comments but hard to argue with it.Donegal and Galway are there in huge numbers today. Yes. Kerry’s support is very poor. Even at finals we are usually out colored, out vocalled and out numbered. The team must sense this. Yesterday , for certain when the game was in the melting pot, the Armagh supporters helped the cause. Only ‘97 can I remember such color and noise from the Kerry Supporters. Always has been poor as long as I can remember and when I say it to fellow Kerry people there's always excuses like, journey time, cost or Kerry playing poor football. To be honest most counties play poor football these days and a lot of other counties have 2+ hours journeys to Croke Park where the cost is just as high. These counties always seem to outnumber us and be more excited to see their county play. Kerry supporters (mostly) don't seem to show much interest in their county until we get into an All-Ireland final. There's very little chat around the county regarding our senior footballers until we lose or get to a final. It probably comes as a result of Kerry having a tradition of getting to finals so it's an expectation from supporters that we'll always make a final. Unfortunately the last 12 or 13 years has shown that definitely isn't the case. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 14, 2024 15:52:43 GMT
The support thing is a wee bit overblown. Those lads are so tuned in and not focused on the noise around them. We were the better team for large portions of that game and no goals and we'd have won. What I cannot fathom is how we lost our composure exactly like last years final yet we hadn't worked on scenarios if that happened again. Actually I saw on another website how studies have shown that not only does vocal support urge players on but improves energy up to 7%.Also the study showed players respond and the bigger support help with injuries and tiredness and cramp.Ironically more Kerry players looked jaded and suffered cramp yesteday. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 14, 2024 15:54:41 GMT
We tend to be a complacent lot - our frequency of being at the top table does bring an element of complacency and this can be somewhat understandable as it is difficult to go to every game and the temptation can be to skip one in the expectation of their being another day to follow. Other counties who get there less often have a last man out turn off the lights attitude. Most expected that Kerry would ultimately prevail yesterday and by skipping the cost of the semi a weekend of it could be afforded in two weeks - that is the reality of it.
However it does make a difference - Croke Park was like a home venue for Armagh yesterday and you could see the players feeding off this. Would it have made a difference - my honest answer is no, we were out on our feet and the defeat was down to other factors.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 14, 2024 15:59:48 GMT
Just watching Donegal v Galway and when you see how Oisin Gallen and a few players score so easily and we have David struggling to score it beggars belief. Watching David this year - he seems to be a smidgen slower. He seems to need a bigger wind up to taking a kick - could be a confidence thing or it could be simply mental exhaustion from all that has been his lot over the past few seasons. Its like a 95% version of his best self. I also think he is stronger on the right of goal than on the left - his radar is slightly off from the left. Nothing scientific in my observations, just a gut feel. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 14, 2024 16:35:53 GMT
The point that Rian O'Neil scored to put Armagh in the lead was sensational.
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Post by thekingdom on Jul 14, 2024 16:42:33 GMT
Just watching Donegal v Galway and when you see how Oisin Gallen and a few players score so easily and we have David struggling to score it beggars belief. Watching David this year - he seems to be a smidgen slower. He seems to need a bigger wind up to taking a kick - could be a confidence thing or it could be simply mental exhaustion from all that has been his lot over the past few seasons. Its like a 95% version of his best self. I also think he is stronger on the right of goal than on the left - his radar is slightly off from the left. Nothing scientific in my observations, just a gut feel. DC had no confidence in his long range shooting this year. The final last year seems to have effected him and this continued throughout the league. At this end of the championship there isn't much time to get your shot off and DC usually thrived in that scenario. We don't have too many good kickers on the team. Something we always prided ourselves on. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 14, 2024 16:57:08 GMT
The support thing is a wee bit overblown. Those lads are so tuned in and not focused on the noise around them. We were the better team for large portions of that game and no goals and we'd have won. What I cannot fathom is how we lost our composure exactly like last years final yet we hadn't worked on scenarios if that happened again. Actually I saw on another website how studies have shown that not only does vocal support urge players on but improves energy up to 7%.Also the study showed players respond and the bigger support help with injuries and tiredness and cramp.Ironically more Kerry players looked jaded and suffered cramp yesteday. It's been this way with Kerry and support since time began. It is overblown. Easy stroll up when you live in Dublin. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 14, 2024 17:01:13 GMT
I mentioned David's form months ago and was provided with stats to show it wasn't bad when compared with others.
However it was clear to anyone who watched him that he lost that swagger this year.
Frankly that young man has lived in the public glare since he was a minor.
He deserves our support and a break from the pressure cooker that is Kerry.
He'd be best served taken a few months off.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 14, 2024 17:03:31 GMT
Big players make the big plays.
When we needed a big play to win at the end of normal time it was one of our rookies in Dylan Geaney that took on a low percentage shot.
In extra time it was Paudie Clifford and another greenhorn in Cillian Burke that carried the fight. Not saying Seanie etc didn't want to take the shot but, we couldn't get them on the ball to take it. David turned down a few half chances as well in favour of recycling the ball.
Following Kerry this year has not been enjoyable being honest. Let's call a spade a spade. The football has been putrid at times. Marquee players like Seanie and David Clifford holding into the ball and spending half the game in their own half back line.
Giving out support or lack of it is only a sideshow. Supporters respond to what is happening on the pitch.
A lot of the players need a break. Their season is 12 months long now. From intercounty into club and district. And then straight into intercounty training. Clifford, Seanie, Paudie, Tom and more could nearly do with the league off.
Was sitting beside another season ticket holder I have met many times at league and championship games. I noted his wife wasn't with him as normal and his daughter was there instead. I enquired as to her health fearing she might be ill or suffered a misfortune.
I wasn't expecting the answer I got. To paraphrase the man he explained that his wife said she wasn't traveling the 5 or 6 hours up from Valentina to watch lads walking around the place. She was going to watch the tennis, rugby and the match from her couch.
Jim Gavin's new rules can't come quick enough
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 14, 2024 17:03:55 GMT
Actually I saw on another website how studies have shown that not only does vocal support urge players on but improves energy up to 7%.Also the study showed players respond and the bigger support help with injuries and tiredness and cramp.Ironically more Kerry players looked jaded and suffered cramp yesteday. It's been this way with Kerry and support since time began. It is overblown. Easy stroll up when you live in Dublin. Of course it it but I travel all over as do many Kerry supporters and Paraic Joyce referenced the great Galway support.Mayo come in big numbers as do Donegal and Cork but we dont and its not all about money either.Well able to turn up for finals where tickets hotels b +b s etc are more expensive |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 14, 2024 17:09:49 GMT
It's been this way with Kerry and support since time began. It is overblown. Easy stroll up when you live in Dublin. Of course it it but I travel all over as do many Kerry supporters and Paraic Joyce referenced the great Galway support.Mayo come in big numbers as do Donegal and Cork but we dont and its not all about money either.Well able to turn up for finals where tickets hotels b +b s etc are more expensive Like it or not it's a novelty for those counties. |
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Post by exiled on Jul 14, 2024 17:21:31 GMT
Just rewatched the match now..Well the first half yet. Gough gave Armagh 3 non frees.. And he seemed to be telling David not to encroach for the 14yd free from the wing. It's the first time I've ever seen a ref do this. Any thoughts.
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Post by kerryman99 on Jul 14, 2024 17:35:15 GMT
Just rewatched the match now..Well the first half yet. Gough gave Armagh 3 non frees.. And he seemed to be telling David not to encroach for the 14yd free from the wing. It's the first time I've ever seen a ref do this. Any thoughts. I find him infuriating, bizarre calls out of nowhere from 100 yards away. Not one free like it given in the Galway Donegal game just there. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 14, 2024 17:37:32 GMT
Just rewatched the match now..Well the first half yet. Gough gave Armagh 3 non frees.. And he seemed to be telling David not to encroach for the 14yd free from the wing. It's the first time I've ever seen a ref do this. Any thoughts. I find him infuriating, bizarre calls out of nowhere from 100 yards away. Not one free like it given in the Galway Donegal game just there. Those calls on shirt pulling put manners on the backs and allows forwards to their thing and thereafter Gough will let the game flow. That is the theory at any rate. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 14, 2024 17:40:05 GMT
Gough was struggling in extra time to keep up with the pace. A few times when there were frees or subs, he made sure to delay as much as possible.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 14, 2024 17:40:06 GMT
Just rewatched the match now..Well the first half yet. Gough gave Armagh 3 non frees.. And he seemed to be telling David not to encroach for the 14yd free from the wing. It's the first time I've ever seen a ref do this. Any thoughts. I find him infuriating, bizarre calls out of nowhere from 100 yards away. Not one free like it given in the Galway Donegal game just there. I referenced this in my earlier post - Armagh couldn’t find their range yet Gough handed them 3 phantom frees from well away - if it was happening at our end, I am sure it was happening at their end. I find him incredibly annoying & not up to this level. 3 non frees is huge & all in 35 mins. It’s hard not believe the guy has an agenda. If you recall, he did it twice in last years final, one free each - Mannion converted his, Gough changed his mind on ours & hopped the ball. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 14, 2024 17:42:28 GMT
I find him infuriating, bizarre calls out of nowhere from 100 yards away. Not one free like it given in the Galway Donegal game just there. Those calls on shirt pulling put manners on the backs and allows forwards to their thing and thereafter Gough will let the game flow. That is the theory at any rate. If there is any contact off the ball, one free is usually enough - 3 is a joke & how can he call who is doing the shirt pulling? |
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