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Post by veteran on Jun 17, 2024 11:07:24 GMT
Understandably, as in all matches there were aspects of the display with which one could quibble but overall this was a performance worthy of the 2024 champions elect. Louth were no pushover, well coached and were mightily impressive for fifty minutes or so, not least their lightning transition from defence to attack. Eventually experience and class prevailed.
Perhaps the outstanding feature from a Kerry perspective, something which was also evident in the Meath match , was the amount of scores garnered from our backs/midfielders. I made a rough calculation that we sourced 2-8 from those locations. That is more than the entire Louth total. Phenomenal. Over a year ago I heard a man on the national media belittling Kerry’s attacking threat, saying apart from the Cliffords and Sean O’Shea there was little to worry about . That man was Ger Brennan! He may be of a different mind today. It would appear that this is something that is being worked on. There was an awareness that there was an over emphasis by the opposition on the big three in our attack and accordingly contributors to our scoring rate from further afield were sought and found. Now, of course as we ascend food chain this ploy will not go unnoticed by bigger beasts . The dilemma for them is how to counteract this new found scoring threat from Kerry. Very likely they will have to pay more attention to our marauding backs/midfielders but will that be at the expense of loosening the chains on the Clifford boys and Sean O’Shea. As I said that is their conundrum but a lip smacking prospect from our standpoint.
As I said , a few quibbles aside this was a pleasant outing which was witnessed by a fine Kerry support. The quibbles would be not keeping two defenders back at all times thereby leaving us vulnerable to swift counterattacks, not having two attackers in-situ at all times, outfield players not being aware of the constant runs being made by David inside.
Two memorable small moments , small in the context of the overall victory but indicative of a winning attitude. David chased his man back to his half back line and adroitly got his hand in from behind to knock it away to a colleague. Similarly, very close to my vantage point , a Louth player in possession, about to drop ball from hand to boot , Gavin snakes in from behind with the stealth of a fox and knocks it away at the precise moment to a colleague. Cue groans from the Louth supporters behind me!
Now for my crib of the day. After the melee the siblings from Fossa got their customary yellow cards. At that stage feelings were running high . We all know that Paudie can be fiery and David is a man opposition love to goad. Very easily one or both could have finished up getting a straight red. The match was wrapped up and therefore the prudent move and the obvious move was to replace both so that we wouldn’t be denied their services for the quarterfinal. Wouldn’t that be some price to pay for management’s naive shortsightedness. Wise up lads.
P.S. Portlaoise is one of my favourite venues.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 17, 2024 11:19:34 GMT
Agree with Vet Portlaoise is a lovely ground.
So where are we now and how do we stack up against the Champions.
Midfield is improving but I'd like to see more from Diarmuid.
Joe gets through a pile of work and has really settled in.
We didn't do great when Louth went long yesterday and I suspect better teams will target that.
Defensively we look much more focused and I'm particularly impressed with the two wing backs and OBeaghlaoich has been Kerrys player of the championship.
My fear is that we are not getting enough off the bench.
Dublin rescued their game when Jack Mac came on along with Mannion.
We are not getting anything like that.
Personally I'd be keeping Geaney on the bench and introducing him and Paul Murphy as our first two subs.
Killian continues to frustrate.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 17, 2024 11:47:06 GMT
My fear is that we are not getting enough off the bench. Dublin rescued their game when Jack Mac came on along with Mannion. We are not getting anything like that. Personally I'd be keeping Geaney on the bench and introducing him and Paul Murphy as our first two subs. Killian continues to frustrate. Hard for some of the subs to do much when given so little time. Waiting until the 67th minute to make the 3rd sub is boardline incompetence in my view. Lads coming on at that stage will be doing well to get one or two touches of the ball. Kerry were already 8 points up when the first two subs were made. Cillian Burke for T Brosnan (55) Killian Spillane for P Geaney (55) Dylan Casey for J Foley (67) Mike Breen for T Morley (67) Barry Dan O’Sullivan for J O’Connor (67) Dublin subs as a comparison Killian McGinnis for T. Lahiff (HT) Jack McCaffrey for Scully (51) Paul Mannion for P. Small (51) Ross McGarry for McGinnis (64) James McCarthy for Bugler (68). Dublin subs played 81 minutes of normal time compared to the Kerry subs only playing 39 minutes of normal time.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 17, 2024 11:47:43 GMT
I forgot to mention,
I'm delighted to see David Clifford getting off the pitch quickly after the games this year.
The man couldn't get off pitches last year for god knows how long.
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Post by kingdomsparks on Jun 17, 2024 12:32:03 GMT
Not wishing to be anyway controversial but i think it is fantastic to see a Kerry hero being lauded by junior supporters from opposing teams. I watched David`s body language yesterday at the final whistle and he seemed welcoming in his approach to this popularity with a humble smile indicating he was happy to stand for selfies etc. Everything looked great from a PR aspect until a burly Kerry mentor (who is not even from Kerry) intervened and dragged him away to the disappointment of in particular those Louth supporters who would not normally have access to such occasions.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 17, 2024 12:42:22 GMT
Not wishing to be anyway controversial but i think it is fantastic to see a Kerry hero being lauded by junior supporters from opposing teams. I watched David`s body language yesterday at the final whistle and he seemed welcoming in his approach to this popularity with a humble smile indicating he was happy to stand for selfies etc. Everything looked great from a PR aspect until a burly Kerry mentor (who is not even from Kerry) intervened and dragged him away to the disappointment of in particular those Louth supporters who would not normally have access to such occasions. David must have met every child in the country at this stage. It's unfair to expect him to constantly be swamped after matches. Yesterday was fathers day for him too and nice to get home quickly after the game.
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Post by jackiel on Jun 17, 2024 12:56:44 GMT
Just before lunch I spoke to a girl from my club in Meath whose son had gone to the Louth match purely to see DC. He got to touch David and was so excited when he got home. My husband witnessed the Pied Piper phenomenon that is David Clifford for the first time in person yesterday and thought it was great for the kids. For what it's worth the lads didn't delay leaving the dressing room and didn't do the usual chats and photos yesterday either.
BTW I was also disappointed that neither of the Cliffords were subbed after the yellow cards. A big risk to take with the Louth lads trying to get a rise out of them.
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Post by taibhse on Jun 17, 2024 18:03:08 GMT
On the other hand, if you were to replace them every time they get a yellow card, then wouldn’t every opposition be attempting to get them carded?
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Post by mike70 on Jun 17, 2024 20:32:57 GMT
My fear is that we are not getting enough off the bench. Dublin rescued their game when Jack Mac came on along with Mannion. We are not getting anything like that. Personally I'd be keeping Geaney on the bench and introducing him and Paul Murphy as our first two subs. Killian continues to frustrate. Hard for some of the subs to do much when given so little time. Waiting until the 67th minute to make the 3rd sub is boardline incompetence in my view. Lads coming on at that stage will be doing well to get one or two touches of the ball. Kerry were already 8 points up when the first two subs were made. Cillian Burke for T Brosnan (55) Killian Spillane for P Geaney (55) Dylan Casey for J Foley (67) Mike Breen for T Morley (67) Barry Dan O’Sullivan for J O’Connor (67) Dublin subs as a comparison Killian McGinnis for T. Lahiff (HT) Jack McCaffrey for Scully (51) Paul Mannion for P. Small (51) Ross McGarry for McGinnis (64) James McCarthy for Bugler (68). Dublin subs played 81 minutes of normal time compared to the Kerry subs only playing 39 minutes of normal time. I have to agree the lack of game time for our bench over the last 3 games is pretty poor, considering the opposition that we played. Just hope it does not impact us down the line.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 17, 2024 21:29:53 GMT
My fear is that we are not getting enough off the bench. Dublin rescued their game when Jack Mac came on along with Mannion. We are not getting anything like that. Personally I'd be keeping Geaney on the bench and introducing him and Paul Murphy as our first two subs. Killian continues to frustrate. Hard for some of the subs to do much when given so little time. Waiting until the 67th minute to make the 3rd sub is boardline incompetence in my view. Lads coming on at that stage will be doing well to get one or two touches of the ball. Kerry were already 8 points up when the first two subs were made. Cillian Burke for T Brosnan (55) Killian Spillane for P Geaney (55) Dylan Casey for J Foley (67) Mike Breen for T Morley (67) Barry Dan O’Sullivan for J O’Connor (67) Dublin subs as a comparison Killian McGinnis for T. Lahiff (HT) Jack McCaffrey for Scully (51) Paul Mannion for P. Small (51) Ross McGarry for McGinnis (64) James McCarthy for Bugler (68). Dublin subs played 81 minutes of normal time compared to the Kerry subs only playing 39 minutes of normal time. Completely agree, in games where we are well up I’d be emptying the bench early in the 2nd half. On a side note what is going on with Stephen O’Brien? No run yesterday and not on the panel against Meath. I wouldn’t agree with turning away from him, we’ll need down the line what he brings to the half forward at least off the bench.
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Post by veteran on Jun 17, 2024 21:33:51 GMT
I rarely bother with the Sunday Game nowadays. I was , however, anxious to see the circumstances of the Louth goal therefore I have just looked at the Kerry/Louth segment. It seemed to confirm what I thought at the match which was that the Louth player ploughed into the back of Briain O’Beaghlaoigh and , accordingly, it should have been a free out. I have no doubt if that incident was replicated out field it would have been a Kerry free. Now I acknowledge that if the goal was disallowed Conor Lane could have been facing a lynching , judging by the reaction of the Louth supporters to some of his decisions .
Overall, I felt the referee handled the match well.
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Post by patshamrock on Jun 18, 2024 6:05:19 GMT
My old match reports aren't what they used be, I may have partaken of a couple too many pints in the beer garden pre-game to really give a decent overview of the game. What I can say is that the Louth fans around us on the Terrace were not too impressed with Conor Lane's officiating. Sloppy goal to give away - something that happens far too much for my liking this year. Defence looked a little ropey at times when run at hard - same old story. Thought we held our own in midfield and the spread of scores up front continues to satisfy. Seanie quite enough by his standards as was Paudie. Brionn thriving in this free man bursting out from the backs/running on the shoulder role. We've hammered the three opponents without getting near top gear. We'll see how we fair in the Quarters now. Championship starts here! P.S. would there be any chance of the full game appearing up on youtube at some stage? Would like to watch Louth and Kerry's first goals back to see what exactly happened, ditto for the schommzole, didn't catch what started it. P.S.S. would like to see David's score on 33mins again, class flick up from Dara - worthy point of the year contender! I don't think the full game will be on YouTube. Very disappointing that there are cameras there to do 5 minutes highlights for the Sunday game, that the whole game can't be posted on gaago. I don't understand why it can't. Clubber are showing all the county championship hurling matches in kerry yet gaago can't show kerry louth, the mind boggles
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Post by thehermit on Jun 18, 2024 8:38:11 GMT
Curious what the attendance was in the end. Anyone know, at a guess I'd have said 5k max. I didn't hear them make an announcement of it, but it was very hard to hear the PA anyway on the Terrace side.
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Post by veteran on Jun 18, 2024 8:47:40 GMT
On the other hand, if you were to replace them every time they get a yellow card, then wouldn’t every opposition be attempting to get them carded? Clearly you wouldn’t replace them every time they were yellow carded. My suggestion would apply only when the game was wrapped up, as was the case last Sunday. Of course you wouldn’t dream of substituting them if the game was still to be won.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 18, 2024 11:07:21 GMT
My one great fear for this year is our lack of depth in certain areas and lack of game time of guys on the bench jacks conservative nature means he reverts back to the tried and trusted a lot last 3 games were over at halftime and he could have tried lads more we don’t use our bench as well as Dublin for example great to be winning but bigger tests await
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 18, 2024 12:20:55 GMT
Dublin put in a performance on Sunday to win the game without showing their hand. they nearly kept it hidden. Three minutes were added on. At 72:18 Mayo took the lead. At 72:36 Cluxton took the Kick out. It was fielded, McCaffrey was fed and he took off. He gave it off, Kept running and took the return and at the edge of the square gave it to Costello who punched over. It was over the bar at 72:54.
With this in mind, I would not be as smug as Tomás was that night. Contrast this with the goal chances Louth got especially the one that rolled wide, after a player ghosted through about 8 Kerry players at the edge of the square. Kerry have been doing this all season. I commented on it a couple of times during the league. And the problem is still the same, everyone thinking it is someone else's job. They do not sense danger. Too many defenders preoccupied with scoring. The traditional defender like Jim Deenihan and Tom Sullivan (Rathmore) was an invaluable species. It is not time to panic but the message is there to be read loud and clear.
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Post by fitz on Jun 18, 2024 14:40:21 GMT
Showing their hand - imo no championship game is played at < 100% until it is won. which can at times depend on the protagonists be even before half time.This gear talk references I think is off the mark as well. Kerry are playing better due to getting more games under belt, they are becoming more in tune with each other, by familiarity and consistency of personnel. I don't believe they are ‘saving’ performance effort. There is no decision that can be made to move up a gear during a game. It doesn’t work that way. If you’re shipping water you can’t get a new boat, the point being you’re shipping water because your best isn’t good enough at the time. Damage limitation and experience here are key to stay afloat until the storm passes.
I think McCaffrey and Mannion on the Dublin bench is not really a sign of their failings but more the limited options they have to really make an impact on the game, despite the myriad of players they have given time to this year.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2024 15:02:28 GMT
Showing their hand - imo no championship game is played at < 100% until it is won. which can at times depend on the protagonists be even before half time.This gear talk references I think is off the mark as well. Kerry are playing better due to getting more games under belt, they are becoming more in tune with each other, by familiarity and consistency of personnel. I don't believe they are ‘saving’ performance effort. There is no decision that can be made to move up a gear during a game. It doesn’t work that way. If you’re shipping water you can’t get a new boat, the point being you’re shipping water because your best isn’t good enough at the time. Damage limitation and experience here are key to stay afloat until the storm passes. I think McCaffrey and Mannion on the Dublin bench is not really a sign of their failings but more the limited options they have to really make an impact on the game, despite the myriad of players they have given time to this year. I think (hope?) this is why we are seeing late use of the bench in a game that is almost already won.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 18, 2024 16:58:12 GMT
Has Stephen O'Brien fallen down the pecking order?
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Post by glengael on Jun 19, 2024 10:11:18 GMT
Hard for some of the subs to do much when given so little time. Waiting until the 67th minute to make the 3rd sub is boardline incompetence in my view. Lads coming on at that stage will be doing well to get one or two touches of the ball. Kerry were already 8 points up when the first two subs were made. Cillian Burke for T Brosnan (55) Killian Spillane for P Geaney (55) Dylan Casey for J Foley (67) Mike Breen for T Morley (67) Barry Dan O’Sullivan for J O’Connor (67) Dublin subs as a comparison Killian McGinnis for T. Lahiff (HT) Jack McCaffrey for Scully (51) Paul Mannion for P. Small (51) Ross McGarry for McGinnis (64) James McCarthy for Bugler (68). Dublin subs played 81 minutes of normal time compared to the Kerry subs only playing 39 minutes of normal time. I have to agree the lack of game time for our bench over the last 3 games is pretty poor, considering the opposition that we played. Just hope it does not impact us down the line. Very difficult for subs to do anything much when they're on for only the last few minutes. Unless there is an inordinate amount of added time, can some even get a touch of the ball. Forget about Dublin, it must be very frustrating to be on that panel and not get more than a token look in games like this. Talk about known unknowns.
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