kot
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,167
|
Post by kot on Jun 13, 2024 19:07:35 GMT
Same team that played Monaghan. No Graham O Sullivan which is disappointing. No chance for anyone on the fringes, tried and trusted as if it was a league game to stay in Div 1. 🙄
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 13, 2024 19:40:41 GMT
Same team that played Monaghan. No Graham O Sullivan which is disappointing. No chance for anyone on the fringes, tried and trusted as if it was a league game to stay in Div 1. 🙄 To be fair they got a run against Meath. This is an important game and we need our best 15. We need Graham back ASAP.
|
|
|
Post by southward on Jun 13, 2024 19:47:10 GMT
Same team that played Monaghan. No Graham O Sullivan which is disappointing. No chance for anyone on the fringes, tried and trusted as if it was a league game to stay in Div 1. 🙄 Casey didn't do much wrong the last day but Burke can have no complaints, really. In fairness, we do need a result here, can't be taking anything for granted.
|
|
|
Post by blacksheep21 on Jun 13, 2024 19:59:04 GMT
The time for giving guys a chance or a run is over with. Every game from now on should be treated as a knockout game and we need to perform at our max. If we are in a position where we are winning well on Sunday, run the bench by all means but everything should now be about maximising the performance and the result.
|
|
|
Post by legendz on Jun 13, 2024 20:08:35 GMT
The Kerry squad seem to enjoy having a game every two weeks. They'll be fully focused on sealing the deal on Sunday. Louth could prove to be tricky though which mightn't prove to be a bad thing before knockout football finally kicks in.
|
|
boots
Full Member
Posts: 153
|
Post by boots on Jun 13, 2024 20:15:13 GMT
Same team that played Monaghan. No Graham O Sullivan which is disappointing. No chance for anyone on the fringes, tried and trusted as if it was a league game to stay in Div 1. 🙄 I’m very happy with the way they have gone about for the last few games. Most of the panel have seen a good bit of action. Shane Murphy Cillian Burke and Tony brosnan started against Clare. Dylan Casey, Cillian Burke and Mike Breen v Meath. Armin Heinrich has played championship football in one of the last 3 games, so too dara Roche Barry Dan, Sean o Brien, Adrian Spillane and Dylan geaney I think. Mike Breen has got action, b Begley has got plenty of time and has re-established himself on the team. I think they’ve used the squad much better thsn pervious years and hopefully we’ll be stronger when we need to call on them This is a strong team next Sunday and I think our panel is stronger too. But we could be playing knock-out football in 7 or 14 days. The time for experimenting and giving ‘fringe players’ some action for the sake of it is gone I think.
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 13, 2024 20:20:03 GMT
Bookies have us -10 their rarely wrong.
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Jun 13, 2024 20:40:30 GMT
Sadly, the fear is that the bell is beginning to toll for Graham as far as 2024 is concerned . If so, that is a shame as he is one of our chief players,
|
|
horsebox77
Fanatical Member
Our trees & mountains are silent ghosts, they hold wisdom and knowledge mankind has long forgotten.
Posts: 2,212
|
Post by horsebox77 on Jun 13, 2024 22:18:40 GMT
Agree regarding Graham, our most consistent back in 2024.. my fear is Paul will be exposed for height...
Other than that, team along expected lines.
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 13, 2024 23:18:17 GMT
Agree regarding Graham, our most consistent back in 2024.. my fear is Paul will be exposed for height... Other than that, team along expected lines. Dublin will certainly target him. I don't know lads Graham was all smiles in Navan hopefully he's back for QF maybe there just not risking him.
|
|
|
Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 13, 2024 23:23:01 GMT
Agree regarding Graham, our most consistent back in 2024.. my fear is Paul will be exposed for height... Other than that, team along expected lines. Dublin will certainly target him. I don't know lads Graham was all smiles in Navan hopefully he's back for QF maybe there just not risking him. Will they? He played last year and I wouldn’t say they targeted him. We’ll be deciding the match up not Dublin.
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2024 2:17:54 GMT
Dublin will certainly target him. I don't know lads Graham was all smiles in Navan hopefully he's back for QF maybe there just not risking him. Will they? He played last year and I wouldn’t say they targeted him. We’ll be deciding the match up not Dublin. Contrast this fear for the excellent Paul Murphy with Murchan for Dublin who by accounts asked to mark Clifford in the league.
|
|
|
Post by thehermit on Jun 14, 2024 8:21:18 GMT
Hold yer horses peeps, we'll worry about Dublin IF and WHEN our swords cross. Job to be done on Sunday first and foremost.
Has anyone actually heard anything recently as regards Graham's situation? Time is indeed running out now...
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 14, 2024 8:56:53 GMT
Dublin will certainly target him. I don't know lads Graham was all smiles in Navan hopefully he's back for QF maybe there just not risking him. Will they? He played last year and I wouldn’t say they targeted him. We’ll be deciding the match up not Dublin. It doesn't work like that, They'll try and isolate one play on him and their FF line is frankly too big. I've nothing against Paul but he's just not a corner back for me. Anyway as Hermit said that's for another day.
|
|
|
Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 14, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
Will they? He played last year and I wouldn’t say they targeted him. We’ll be deciding the match up not Dublin. It doesn't work like that, They'll try and isolate one play on him and their FF line is frankly too big. I've nothing against Paul but he's just not a corner back for me. Anyway as Hermit said that's for another day. I agree in that I hope Graham is back and he comes in for Paul but if he isn’t then Paul is our best option. I would be happy enough even if Dublin tried to isolate him as long as he’s on Basquel or Costello. I actually prefer him at corner back to wing back I think we need someone like Beaglaoich at wing back who brings a bit more power and physicality.
|
|
|
Post by orangerhyme on Jun 14, 2024 12:12:20 GMT
Paul is small in stature and as Ive posted previously I too would nt have Paul on my first 6 backs before this yea.However Paul has been our best back throughout 2024 and the most consistent.Even more consistent than Graham.Tom Sullivan has been super going forward but has been caught out defending a few times as has Graham Jason Morley White.Paul has been absolutely outstanding and the only way he can lose his place now is if he gets beaten.That might happen Sunday but until then Paul has to start.I think posters are being very unfair to Paul as we have to judge on the present not the past. He seems to get unfair criticism despite one of our most consistent performers for 10 years. He's a very clever player so I think he can handle anything thrown at him.
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Jun 14, 2024 14:13:33 GMT
Apart from Graham, we have been very lucky as regards injuries , in contrast to ,say , Galway. The following is predicated on that good fortune continuing.
As far as I know Sunday’s match is not on RTÉ or GAA go. Accordingly, Kerry followers need to travel in force if they wish to see the 2024 All-Ireland champions in action. Opportunities for that privilege are getting fewer.
|
|
|
Post by jackiel on Jun 14, 2024 14:41:11 GMT
Apart from Graham, we have been very lucky as regards injuries , in contrast to ,say , Galway. The following is predicated on that good fortune continuing. As far as I know Sunday’s match is not on RTÉ or GAA go. Accordingly, Kerry followers need to travel in force if they wish to see the 2024 All-Ireland champions in action. Opportunities for that privilege are getting fewer. [ I love your optimism Veteran, to be honest I haven't seen anything this year to fill me with confidence. All 4 QF's will be on GAA Go too.
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 14, 2024 17:05:15 GMT
To be fair to Kerry what more could they have done to this point.
Compressive wins playing in 3rd gear.
In retrospect Cork was the toughest game so far and I've backed them to win tomorrow and top a very tough group.
We have huge scope to improve and for me the team has not been over reliant on DC this year and that's a big positive.
Remain to be convinced about our HF line but we won't know until the QF.
|
|
|
Post by paudief on Jun 14, 2024 18:37:37 GMT
To be fair to Kerry what more could they have done to this point. Compressive wins playing in 3rd gear.
I don't mean just you, but I don't like this idea that people who are critical of the team are 'just being negative'. I'd say the problem is, they haven't got out of 3rd gear for the last year and a half! And that's a problem. You can't just turn it on when the big games come. I hope they do turn it on, but for me, they haven't shown all-Ireland winning-form since 2022.
I do think you can do more than just beat the weaker teams. Here's Michael Murphy describing Dublin's win against Cavan 2 weeks ago (the same weekend Kerry slept-walk to a win in Navan):
Would you say that was true of any of Kerry's wins this season? Hunger, players coming off the bench and making a difference, high-intensity throughout the seventy minutes? I wouldn't.
And this is from the all-Ireland champions, and the team who lost the league final on penalties, they have less to prove than Kerry.
I was watching a bit of the '99' documentary on Amazon Prime, it's about the Man United team who won the treble in 1999. At one point, Ryan Giggs says "The training-sessions were tougher than the matches." Wow, I thought, it really reminds me of the stories about the Chicago Bulls team with Michael Jordan, from the documentary 'The Last Dance'. They really emphasised how the training sessions were tough.
The lesson? You train the way you want to play. In order to play at a really high-standard, you have to train at a really high standard.
You can look at these games against weaker teams as kind of glorified training sessions. If a team is always in 3rd-gear, it's a problem. It means they can't get out of 3rd gear! (or that's their first gear). And Kerry have been in 3rd gear for the last year and half.
|
|
|
Post by kerrymenontour on Jun 14, 2024 20:08:00 GMT
Missed the game in Navan a few weeks ago so delighted to be heading for Portlaoise this Sunday💚💛 I’ll have the few Kerry flags and banners on the Portlaoise Town Terrace side if anyone would like to tag along and create a bit of colour 💚💛👍
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 14, 2024 20:17:24 GMT
To be fair to Kerry what more could they have done to this point. Compressive wins playing in 3rd gear.
I don't mean just you, but I don't like this idea that people who are critical of the team are 'just being negative'. I'd say the problem is, they haven't got out of 3rd gear for the last year and a half! And that's a problem. You can't just turn it on when the big games come. I hope they do turn it on, but for me, they haven't shown all-Ireland winning-form since 2022.
I do think you can do more than just beat the weaker teams. Here's Michael Murphy describing Dublin's win against Cavan 2 weeks ago (the same weekend Kerry slept-walk to a win in Navan):
Would you say that was true of any of Kerry's wins this season? Hunger, players coming off the bench and making a difference, high-intensity throughout the seventy minutes? I wouldn't.
And this is from the all-Ireland champions, and the team who lost the league final on penalties, they have less to prove than Kerry.
I was watching a bit of the '99' documentary on Amazon Prime, it's about the Man United team who won the treble in 1999. At one point, Ryan Giggs says "The training-sessions were tougher than the matches." Wow, I thought, it really reminds me of the stories about the Chicago Bulls team with Michael Jordan, from the documentary 'The Last Dance'. They really emphasised how the training sessions were tough.
The lesson? You train the way you want to play. In order to play at a really high-standard, you have to train at a really high standard.
You can look at these games against weaker teams as kind of glorified training sessions. If a team is always in 3rd-gear, it's a problem. It means they can't get out of 3rd gear! (or that's their first gear). And Kerry have been in 3rd gear for the last year and half.
Dublin were awful last year. Until the final. Maybe Kerry know when they have to peak. That's the hope anyway.
|
|
|
Post by paudief on Jun 14, 2024 20:36:35 GMT
Dublin were awful last year. Until the final. Maybe Kerry know when they have to peak. That's the hope anyway.
Yeah, it can happen, they're not that far away. It just worries me that they haven't really shown the form for the last year and a half.
I think what also has me in bad form is, I don't really enjoy the style of play they have, this slow build-up, with lateral passing. For all the talent they have, and it is considerable, I have to say, I haven't enjoyed many of the games this year and last. I supported moving on from Peter Keane at the time, but his teams played with more flair.
|
|
|
Post by kerrysouth on Jun 15, 2024 8:16:04 GMT
Apart from Graham the starting 15 is Jack’s favoured and strongest team to date.Again it is a very attack minded team which I like and I have advocated for all year and this is the correct path if we have any chance of winning the All Ireland .I think we are ticking along nicely not reaching top gear just yet while staying just below the radar .I would expect more of the same tomorrow and barring a disaster should win by a tidy margin in the end setting us up for the real championship start in two weeks time where we will certainly need to start hitting the top gears .
|
|
|
Post by patshamrock on Jun 15, 2024 9:26:40 GMT
Apart from Graham the starting 15 is Jack’s favoured and strongest team to date.Again it is a very attack minded team which I like and I have advocated for all year and this is the correct path if we have any chance of winning the All Ireland .I think we are ticking along nicely not reaching top gear just yet while staying just below the radar .I would expect more of the same tomorrow and barring a disaster should win by a tidy margin in the end setting us up for the real championship start in two weeks time where we will certainly need to start hitting the top gears . I agree with everything you have said, my concern is what is coming off the bench, killian, Burke and o brien haven't contributed to the scoreboard off the the top of my head, which is a concern, hopefully spillane hits form and can start to guarantee a couple of points each time he is sprung,of course if o brien gets space to run into, can cause problems.
|
|
|
Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jun 15, 2024 12:19:44 GMT
I'm quite happy with the team selected. I can't travel as again the GAA chose to not set a date for these matches until two weeks in advance, which means I can't get time off. I hope they stick with the initially published dates for the quarter, semi and finals. I had to purchase a ticket anyway to qualify for a potential final ticket, but gave that to a good friend.
I like the look of that team to be honest. Tony on the 40 was immense last day out and was obviously told to give it all for 50 minutes. He was shattered when he came off. But he caused problems for Meath with his runs, passed the ball to the full forward line a lot and chipped in with scores. The team look a lot more capable of scoring with Brosnan on the 40. Imagine facing him as a defender and then Stephen O’Brien or Killian Spillane comes on. Even Killian Burke perhaps. Killian is very much a work horse and might not get a lot of scores, but he is vital against the more defensive teams to break down defences. Horses for courses.
Brosnan seems to be great at the kick passes and he gets a few scores himself too. Moynihan is another work horse as is Paudie. All 3 can score as well, but most importantly they get the ball to that lethal full forward line.
Geaney seems to have found a new vein of good form and seems to enjoy his football. He is playing with a smile. Unfortunately, David and Paudie have looked a bit lethargic and frustrated so far. David is constantly double or triple marked and harassed and it seems to bother him. Like Dublin have done with O'Callaghan I think David needs to be let lose and enjoy his football. Not worrying about systems and tactics, Just let him express himself.
The bench look alright but I wonder why Armin Heinrich is named every time, but never gets some game time. Likewise Darragh Roche. Barry Dan, Adrian and Sean O'Brien are obviously there to be midfield options, but we need to wrap Joe O'Connor on cotton wool as losing him would be disastrous. Diarmuid is also getting into fine form, but is not yet the promised player we thought he would become.
Like others have said Paul Murphy is better than his size suggests. He is like a Jack Russell, he is tenacious and not afraid of taking on players twice his size. His skill and speed outweigh his size and he often very cleverly dispossesses opponents by anticipating their next move, rather than pure force. Casey, Barry Dan and Breen the obvious replacements, but again if White or Foley get injured we would be in trouble. Tom O'Sullivan and Ó Beaglaoich are pure class and add to the attack as well. Morley has so far not been impressive this year, but we know he can be. Another game means he will have another chance to get match sharp.
All in all, we shouldn't be worried about Louth, but we seem to be. They are a tricky opponent, but realistically there should be only one outcome here. If Kerry are motoring well I expect the 6 subs to come in from 40 minutes in and give Kerry the advantage. Louth will set up defensively and will be tenacious. They will be hard to break down and have some excellent scorers at the other end. But this should be a bridge too far for them, and if not, Kerry might as well write off the season.
|
|
Premier
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,237
|
Post by Premier on Jun 15, 2024 12:29:28 GMT
One thing I would like to see is the subs coming on earlier. We seem to have it in our heads that 55 mins is the earliest a sub can be made. By the time we get around to the 4th and 5th sub they only have 5/7 mins
|
|
|
Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jun 15, 2024 12:37:02 GMT
One thing I would like to see is the subs coming on earlier. We seem to have it in our heads that 55 mins is the earliest a sub can be made. By the time we get around to the 4th and 5th sub they only have 5/7 mins Agreed. 40 minutes is the best time to start. Get the message out to the players at half time and have to go full tilt for 5 minutes in the second half. That is why Dublin have such a strong third quarter. Players know they are going to get substituted so absolutely empty the tank for 5, 10 minutes in which they flatten the opposition.
|
|
kerryexile
Fanatical Member
Whether you believe that you can, or that you can't, you are right anyway.
Posts: 1,190
|
Post by kerryexile on Jun 15, 2024 13:30:16 GMT
Dublin were awful last year. Until the final. Maybe Kerry know when they have to peak. That's the hope anyway.
Yeah, it can happen, they're not that far away. It just worries me that they haven't really shown the form for the last year and a half.
I think what also has me in bad form is, I don't really enjoy the style of play they have, this slow build-up, with lateral passing. For all the talent they have, and it is considerable, I have to say, I haven't enjoyed many of the games this year and last. I supported moving on from Peter Keane at the time, but his teams played with more flair.
Two excellent post paudief and they go right to the root of the reasons why we are where we are. Peter was extremely unlucky. He never lost a championship game in 70 minutes but was still sacked. He was more in tune with Kerry football. Jack is paranoid about tactics. This stunts their fluency and that is why you say “they haven't got out of 3rd gear for the last year and a half”. Last year’s gift to Dublin seems to have brought a change. I think that from the start of the league, Jack has given them a bit more freedom. They are still playing that way. They have a high scoring full forward line and probably the best finisher in the county is in the half forward line conducting the orchestra. They are playing slightly more like what you would like to see from Kerry all over the pitch. There is less lateral passing, used only when facing a 15 man defence as happened a lot in the Meath game. If they are not in top gear this year I think it is to avoid peaking too soon. I think this year it is a 2 horse race, Kerry and Dublin and I would make Kerry favourites. While they are not flying in games the are controlling games, playing precise football and winning by large margins. If the fitness people can get them to peak at the end of July or when needed and they play a faster version of that game they will beat any team. I think Dublin have lost a lot of what made them the machine they were. They still have two trump cards, one is the lightning speed they can inject into an attack and two they know how to win. Michael Murphy’s piece is basically about the goals they got based on this speed. Cavan were poor but still nearly matched them for points. Dublin are not a great all around football team. Tomorrows game in Hyde park will be interesting. Mayo are not what they used to be either but if they can deal with the bursts of speed that Dublin will depend on there will be an upset. Kerry will give us more of the same and will win. It is a little bit of a test in that it would be nice to see that Kerry can ask a variety of questions of Louth and pull away from them unlike Dublin who struggled to put daylight between them until the very end.
|
|
Premier
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,237
|
Post by Premier on Jun 15, 2024 15:28:06 GMT
Yeah, it can happen, they're not that far away. It just worries me that they haven't really shown the form for the last year and a half. I think what also has me in bad form is, I don't really enjoy the style of play they have, this slow build-up, with lateral passing. For all the talent they have, and it is considerable, I have to say, I haven't enjoyed many of the games this year and last. I supported moving on from Peter Keane at the time, but his teams played with more flair. Two excellent post paudief and they go right to the root of the reasons why we are where we are. Peter was extremely unlucky. He never lost a championship game in 70 minutes but was still sacked. He was more in tune with Kerry football. Jack is paranoid about tactics. This stunts their fluency and that is why you say “they haven't got out of 3rd gear for the last year and a half”. Last year’s gift to Dublin seems to have brought a change. I think that from the start of the league, Jack has given them a bit more freedom. They are still playing that way. They have a high scoring full forward line and probably the best finisher in the county is in the half forward line conducting the orchestra. They are playing slightly more like what you would like to see from Kerry all over the pitch. There is less lateral passing, used only when facing a 15 man defence as happened a lot in the Meath game. If they are not in top gear this year I think it is to avoid peaking too soon. I think this year it is a 2 horse race, Kerry and Dublin and I would make Kerry favourites. While they are not flying in games the are controlling games, playing precise football and winning by large margins. If the fitness people can get them to peak at the end of July or when needed and they play a faster version of that game they will beat any team. I think Dublin have lost a lot of what made them the machine they were. They still have two trump cards, one is the lightning speed they can inject into an attack and two they know how to win. Michael Murphy’s piece is basically about the goals they got based on this speed. Cavan were poor but still nearly matched them for points. Dublin are not a great all around football team. Tomorrows game in Hyde park will be interesting. Mayo are not what they used to be either but if they can deal with the bursts of speed that Dublin will depend on there will be an upset. Kerry will give us more of the same and will win. It is a little bit of a test in that it would be nice to see that Kerry can ask a variety of questions of Louth and pull away from them unlike Dublin who struggled to put daylight between them until the very end. I don’t know how you could say Peter was more in tune with Kerry football when he played a back and a midfielder as the wing forwards against Cork that faithful Covid night. When Kerry hammered Tyrone last year were we saying Jack was ‘stunting’ Kerry? The reality of these games is that if Kerry were to win by 25 tomorrow it makes no difference. Kerry destroyed Louth last year too and what difference does it make. You aim to hit key markers each game in terms of scores for/against, turnovers, kickouts. After that it’s all incidental
|
|