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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 6, 2024 10:05:09 GMT
Graham was on the pitch the last day, involved in helping with the warm up. id say he isnt far off??? one thing is for sure, this is going to be one hell of an all ireland to win and we are looking at a 1/4 final(assuming we win against Louth) against Armagh/Galway, Dublin/Mayo or Tyrone/Donegal . losing to louth and you could be adding a home game against Derry in there in prelim 1/4 final to make it even more treacherous. any team to win this all ireland, will probably need to beat one of Galway/Armagh, Donegal/Mayo and Kerry/Dublin at some stage (all depends on draw of course) It just struck me that the easier your group the harder your first knock out match. And vice versa.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 6, 2024 10:46:40 GMT
Louth are in a bit of a weird position in the group. They are on 3 points with a score difference of +10 Monaghan are on 1 point with a score difference of -10 If Louth lose and Monaghan win both will be on 3 points. When there are only two teams level on points, it comes down to the head-to-head result, which was a draw.
So then it comes down to scoring difference - you'd imagine that the odds are fairly strongly against there being a 20 point swing between both matches, but it's not completely impossible. The handicap in the Kerry game is 9 points while Monaghan have a 3 point handicap in their game. Fair bit of a gap from a combined 12 handciap to the necessary 21 points for Monaghan to get 2nd.
So Louth even if they lose, unless they lose very heavily and Monaghan win heavily, are nearly certain of 2nd place in group at worst. That would get them a home preliminary quarter-final the following weekend against one of the third placed finishers from the other groups
The bookies currently have Kerry at 1/20 to win the game against Louth. So the thing is Louth could theoretically rest all of their first fifteen against Kerry [they would have to drop some of them out of the match day 26 to do this] There is no rule about playing your strongest team at all times like in some of the professional sports. Then they would go into a home preliminary quarter-final the following weekend well-rested against one of the third placed teams who all would likely to have been playing tough games in their last group games.
The three potential teams who might end up in third place in the other groups are one of Roscommon or Cavan, any of Cork, Donegal, Tyrone, Clare and one of Westhmeath or Derry. Roscommon v Cavan and Westmeath v Derry are both effectively winner takes all knock-out games while the Cork, Donegal, Tyrone, Clare group games are all likely to be very competitive affairs. Clare could still nab third place if they beat Donegal and Tyrone beat Cork. All the other three can end up from first to third (Donegal could end up fourht)with a possibility score difference comes into it and the current score differences Cork +4 Donegal +5 and Tyrone +7.
I do think it's very unlikely that Louth do this. However what is a real possibility is that at some point in the 2nd half of the Kerry game, it might transpire that if Louth are behind Kerry by a few points or more (and don't really look like turning it around) and Monagahan aren't running up a big score against Meath (or drawing or even losing) it might make a lot of sense for Louth to ease up down the home straight and take off their main men and run their subs bench.
At this point Kerry would very much look like they had first place in the group secure, so would have little incentive to run up the score/risk injuries/cards/pointless fatigue/tiredness so it could be a very tame affair with both teams having little or nothing to play for and the status quo suiting both teams perfectly in the closing period.
Of course this might go out the window if Louth go all guns blazing for the win for the full 80 minutes but this doesn't exactly fit that well with their previous approach.
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Post by homerj on Jun 6, 2024 14:39:25 GMT
Graham was on the pitch the last day, involved in helping with the warm up. id say he isnt far off??? one thing is for sure, this is going to be one hell of an all ireland to win and we are looking at a 1/4 final(assuming we win against Louth) against Armagh/Galway, Dublin/Mayo or Tyrone/Donegal . losing to louth and you could be adding a home game against Derry in there in prelim 1/4 final to make it even more treacherous. any team to win this all ireland, will probably need to beat one of Galway/Armagh, Donegal/Mayo and Kerry/Dublin at some stage (all depends on draw of course) It just struck me that the easier your group the harder your first knock out match. And vice versa. not necessarily. the galway/Armagh/Derry group can still get Dublin/Mayo in 1/4 finals for example.
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Post by homerj on Jun 6, 2024 14:42:23 GMT
Graham was on the pitch the last day, involved in helping with the warm up. id say he isnt far off??? one thing is for sure, this is going to be one hell of an all ireland to win and we are looking at a 1/4 final(assuming we win against Louth) against Armagh/Galway, Dublin/Mayo or Tyrone/Donegal . losing to louth and you could be adding a home game against Derry in there in prelim 1/4 final to make it even more treacherous. any team to win this all ireland, will probably need to beat one of Galway/Armagh, Donegal/Mayo and Kerry/Dublin at some stage (all depends on draw of course) This is assuming that the teams who finish second in their group win their preliminary quarter final. Last year, 3 of the 4 preliminary quarter finals were won by teams who finished third in their group (Mayo, Monaghan and Tyrone). good point but that probably was a bit of coincidence, youd imagine this year it will be a bit more balanced and home advantage for 2nd places will also make a difference. home advantage is huge this time of year especially when talking donegal travelling to cork for example
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 6, 2024 15:53:59 GMT
It just struck me that the easier your group the harder your first knock out match. And vice versa. not necessarily. the galway/Armagh/Derry group can still get Dublin/Mayo in 1/4 finals for example. On average you will.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 6, 2024 16:02:15 GMT
I just googled that game and you were close enough Vet.Donaghy did go off but it was injury.We won by 4 points 1-12 to 11 points.We were up 1-10 to 2pts and half time score was 1-10 to 4pts.We only scored 2 pts in second half while Longford scored 7 pts.That was after our lucky escape v Sligo and then we beat Antrim destroy Dubs and beat Meath and Cork to win All Ireland. The Longford game was first. If you think the fixture lists are less than ideal now, we hadn't had a game for a month at that stage. We would then play 4 weeks in a row, followed by 4 weeks of a wait for both the S/F and the AI final. The game was played on a horrendous weekend of weather. Gales and driving rain. It wasn't pretty but Tommy Walsh stood up well for us. Longford missed a few late chances to really put us in trouble. We were happy to get out of there. I have never been so wet in my life. Eating a Supermac's, sheltering in a doorway with my 10 year old. Long drive back in saturated clothes. Was that the day Donaghy broke a bone un his foot
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 6, 2024 16:37:44 GMT
The Longford game was first. If you think the fixture lists are less than ideal now, we hadn't had a game for a month at that stage. We would then play 4 weeks in a row, followed by 4 weeks of a wait for both the S/F and the AI final. The game was played on a horrendous weekend of weather. Gales and driving rain. It wasn't pretty but Tommy Walsh stood up well for us. Longford missed a few late chances to really put us in trouble. We were happy to get out of there. I have never been so wet in my life. Eating a Supermac's, sheltering in a doorway with my 10 year old. Long drive back in saturated clothes. Was that the day Donaghy broke a bone un his foot That's what she said.
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Post by tribeofciar on Jun 7, 2024 7:52:18 GMT
It will be interesting to see if Jack keeps Mike Breen at 6, or brings Morley back in.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 8, 2024 7:38:55 GMT
I have never been so wet in my life. Eating a Supermac's, sheltering in a doorway with my 10 year old. Long drive back in saturated clothes. Was that the day Donaghy broke a bone un his foot That's what she said. Said the nun to the sailor 🤣🤣
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Post by glengael on Jun 8, 2024 13:59:14 GMT
Totally off the point of the thread but if you were never so wet in your life as after that Longford match Sully, I must conclude that you missed the 2008 Downpour v Galway or the 2015 replay v Cork in Killarney!
I was in Longford, I remember that it rained but I didn't think it was as bad as those days mentioned above. I must have got a very convenient parking space.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 8, 2024 17:04:22 GMT
Totally off the point of the thread but if you were never so wet in your life as after that Longford match Sully, I must conclude that you missed the 2008 Downpour v Galway or the 2015 replay v Cork in Killarney! I was in Longford, I remember that it rained but I didn't think it was as bad as those days mentioned above. I must have got a very convenient parking space. I didn't get wet at all for the Galway game. Though there were manhole covers lifted from shores around Fairview afterwards. Forgot about the replay in Killarney. I had a change of clothes with me that day and they were needed.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 9, 2024 10:32:07 GMT
Totally off the point of the thread but if you were never so wet in your life as after that Longford match Sully, I must conclude that you missed the 2008 Downpour v Galway or the 2015 replay v Cork in Killarney! I was in Longford, I remember that it rained but I didn't think it was as bad as those days mentioned above. I must have got a very convenient parking space. I got stuck with a Saturday shift in my parttime job at the time so I wrangled getting to take a long lunch and watched it on my laptop, think that was shown by TV3 when they did the GAA matches with Matt Copper presenting. I can't recall it being particularly wet from the tv pictures anyway. Most definitely the wettest I've every been at a game was Galway 2008 and the replay in Killarney in 15, standing in the terrace in the county final last October would be up there too!! In 08 the walk back into O'Connell St from Croker was so wet that the programme in my pocket fused together from the rain and it remains unopened in my collection to this day! My mobile phone also never worked again given the water that got inside it while in my other jeans pocket. 2015 was mad, myself and the girlfriend got sunburnt during the drawn game and were desperately trying to stave off the monsoon in a pair of cheap ponchos the second day. In the end I think everyone around us in the terrace just gave up and embraced what it was, at least it wasn't cold rain. A Kerry win made it palatable and don't remember how wet we all were impacting too much on the celebrations in O'Connors after
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 9, 2024 15:40:00 GMT
My father walked from Croker out too castleknock in 75 ( I think it was 75 ) and the green and gold from the paper hat running down his face.
For me 2008 and 2015 were my worst days.
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Post by jackiel on Jun 9, 2024 16:41:29 GMT
I'd travelled by bus to the Galway match in 08, was fine til we left the stadium. Didn't get very wet but our short journey to Ashbourne took about 3 hours as the buses stopped running. Got a lift from a neighbour but we met floods and closed roads all over the place. I still have the ticket and programme, no print left on the ticket. Amazing to think that matches went ahead the next day without a hiccup.
In 2015 I was soaked through to my underwear, went back to my hotel and stood under a hot shower for ages, was glad I wasn't sitting in a car to face a drive home.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 9, 2024 19:52:30 GMT
Talk of water and matches reminds of Kerry losing in Croker and The Bawn sailing into Dingle harbour, apparently having gone onto Scotland to buy a boat!
Sure if he hadn't Sam to drink from he might as well be fishing - more uisce...breatha!
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Post by tribeofciar on Jun 10, 2024 9:25:22 GMT
Regarding wet days as a supporter, the worst day I can remember was the drawn Kerry v Cork game in 2002, horrible day for football altogether. As others mentioned 2008 v Galway was really bad too
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Post by glengael on Jun 10, 2024 11:46:20 GMT
Oh yes the draw in 2002! That was a fair wet day in Killarney. I recall there was a man selling ice cream on the terrace nonetheless.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Jun 10, 2024 13:50:55 GMT
Game in Croke Park v Galway 2008 was monsoon rain plus Floodlights were switched on for second half of game.
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Post by pony on Jun 10, 2024 15:13:07 GMT
Hoping to make the game Sunday, would anyone have any parking tips for Portlaoise? Thanks
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 10, 2024 15:31:38 GMT
Game in Croke Park v Galway 2008 was monsoon rain plus Floodlights were switched on for second half of game. I was in the lower Cusack in 1994 for the Down/Dublin All Ireland Final. Never got such a drenching in all my life. Getting wet sitting down is a different ball game. While watching the Galway 2008 game I was wondering were the occupants of the lower Cusack also getting a hosing. Is that problem rectified?
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Post by thehermit on Jun 10, 2024 16:32:22 GMT
Hoping to make the game Sunday, would anyone have any parking tips for Portlaoise? Thanks Plenty of parking in the town judging on last year. Around the shopping centre/supermacs/Lidl on N80 just before roundabout to go down to the ground was where I left the car last year. Plenty of other people had cars parked on the way down to the ground and there's a multi-storey next to ground as well.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 10, 2024 18:29:38 GMT
Are many travelling on Sunday ?
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Post by thehermit on Jun 10, 2024 19:48:48 GMT
Got the 3 game ticket thing so I will, was surprised by the amount of us up in Navan so you'd expect a decentvKerry crew.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 10, 2024 20:05:07 GMT
I'm travelling but the 2 lads who normally travel with me are not. Hard for lads with young kids to get away on father's day
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 10, 2024 22:54:22 GMT
I'm heading myself but wouldn't expect crowd of more than 10k on Sunday.. I admit, I've been to 3 Munster Championship games this year, including yesterdays final(all sellouts), just to attend a few games with atmosphere to them as the Football has none until semi final stage. Unfortunately thats just the way the cookie has crumbled.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 12, 2024 21:11:00 GMT
Heading down myself,
It's fathers day but they kids know Kerry football is as good a fathers day as its gets.
The one thing I'm looking for to tomorrow's team is the fitness of Graham OSullivan would like him to get a game before we hit Croke Park.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jun 13, 2024 8:43:52 GMT
Heading down myself, It's fathers day but they kids know Kerry football is as good a fathers day as its gets. The one thing I'm looking for to tomorrow's team is the fitness of Graham OSullivan would like him to get a game before we hit Croke Park. Yes agreed this is my father's Day gift. Haven't been able to make last few so travelling on Sunday. Thanks for parking tips lads. Hopefully weather drys a bit by Sunday. Optimistically haping we'll see a resurgence in form for some of the players and continued progress for others
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 13, 2024 14:39:26 GMT
I'm heading myself but wouldn't expect crowd of more than 10k on Sunday.. I admit, I've been to 3 Munster Championship games this year, including yesterdays final(all sellouts), just to attend a few games with atmosphere to them as the Football has none until semi final stage. Unfortunately thats just the way the cookie has crumbled. Can I chance leaving buying tickets til the last minute?
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Post by thehermit on Jun 13, 2024 15:01:29 GMT
I'm heading myself but wouldn't expect crowd of more than 10k on Sunday.. I admit, I've been to 3 Munster Championship games this year, including yesterdays final(all sellouts), just to attend a few games with atmosphere to them as the Football has none until semi final stage. Unfortunately thats just the way the cookie has crumbled. Can I chance leaving buying tickets til the last minute? Defo will not be a sell out by any means.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 13, 2024 19:05:49 GMT
Same team that played Monaghan.
No Graham O Sullivan which is disappointing.
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