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Post by paudief on May 30, 2024 19:53:16 GMT
“Hard to get excited about Kerry’s trip to face the Royals”. That is a headline from today’s Kerryman. A headline that reflects a lot of the opinions expressed here . It captures a world-weariness that disappoints me , particularly among the young. I have been following Kerry football for the guts of seventy years and yet I am always excited about an upcoming Kerry match , regardless of the opposition , regardless of the competition, regardless of the likely outcome. Perhaps, my life is sad and I should get out and about more. However , this is the way I see it. Some of the greatest players ever to represent Kerry will be playing in Navan next Sunday . They won’t always be around. Neither will we.
Ah yeah, I'm the same, I'd get excited about any Kerry match.
The first match I ever went to was Kerry-Meath, all-ireland semi-final in 1986.
A couple of memories...
My Dad said "Look out for that Colm O'Rourke fella, he's a good player"
I was slightly disappointed Kerry were wearing blue and not the green-and-gold, my Dad explained to me that blue was the Munster colour.
I went out to the toilet, it must've been early in the match. While out there, the Cusack Stand erupted, seemingly shaking from its foundations, I'd never experienced anything like it. I thought "Jesus, Meath must've scored a goal!". I came back to my seat, they had scored a point!
The Meath fans had brought flags with them, and would bang the base of them off the wooden benches, making the whole stand rumble and vibrate with the noise. They made a lot more noise than the Kerry fans that day, but I didn't mind, I knew what happened on the pitch was the most important.
Both Sean Boylan and Colm O'Rourke were involved that day, as they will be on Sunday.
Of course that Meath team would go on to win the all-Ireland in '87 and '88, and contest the finals of '90 and '91, proving themselves to be one of the great teams of the era.
I don't think I've really seen the game since, but I notice it's on YouTube, I might try and watch it over the weekend.
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Post by veteran on May 30, 2024 19:55:49 GMT
Pleased to see Dylan Casey, Mike Breen and Cillian getting a run from the off. Also delighted to see Dylan Geaney back on the bench. He is a good prospect. We know what Stephen O’Brien will give us.
Worrying that Graham is still unavailable. Time is closing in on him.
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Post by chicago09 on May 30, 2024 20:12:58 GMT
Shocked I am that jack is giving those three lads a chance can’t believe it really hopefully they get a good run as we need everyone match fit now Is this the first game Moynihan is named on the bench this year think it is.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on May 30, 2024 20:13:26 GMT
Experience the Forgettable more like Class - comment of the year already sorted and the lawn mower hasn't even been pulled out. Contrary to Veteran's own views I'd say there's a good few dirty shirts left in the auld hoor all the time, well hopefully anyway - and speaking of the match, Sheehan's articled in today's IT was, well lazy to say the least - all he said was that that we haven't yet scored any goals but we have conceded them and we should score some in beating Meath - worse still he kept saying this! How much did he get paid to say all that one wonders - shocking stuff, electrifying - sponsored by, well, Electric Ireland! Hopefully it remains, well, forgettable!
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Post by paudief on May 30, 2024 20:59:24 GMT
Anyone with Dara O Ses article in Irish Times last Wednesday? Cheers👍 Darragh Ó Sé: When you’re on the wrong end of a hammering, it can feel like trying to keep the tide out Every player has experienced what happened to Monaghan in Killarney last Saturday, the sort of nightmare you can’t wake up from -- I went to Killarney on Saturday and watched a game that did nobody any good. Monaghan were so bad they brought Kerry down with them. It was one of those games where the team handing out the hammering couldn’t get themselves out of second gear because the opposition weren’t offering anything for them to go after. At one stage early on, Rory Beggan and Conor McManus were playing the ball over and back to each other in the Monaghan full-back line after a kick-out. Even if you took no notice of the scoreboard, when something like that is happening you know the whole thing is upside down. Whatever preparation Monaghan did in the last six weeks, you can be fairly sure none of it involved a game plan that had McManus being last man back on their own kick-out. But that’s the sort of thing that can happen when your team is on the wrong end of a hiding. We’ve all been there. In real time, it feels like a sort of a nightmare that you know you can’t wake up from no matter how hard you try. You can’t shake yourself out of it. There’s nothing you can do only pass the time until it’s over. You get into a battle with your own head. The most public hammering I was ever on the receiving end of was when Meath gave us the mother and father of beatings in an All-Ireland semi-final in 2001. I remember standing on the pitch in Croke Park at one stage and thinking, “Christ, we’re going to get some hosing from people when we get back to Kerry.” Tight games don’t give you that thinking time. The whole point of doing your training is that you’ve done all your thinking before the ball is thrown in. Once you’re in it, you’re too busy focusing on the million small things that go to make up the 70 minutes. You need your real time reactions to situations to be totally tuned in, with no thought of the bigger picture at all.
Nigel Crawford of Meath and Darragh O'Se of Kerry in 2001. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho When you’re in the middle of a game that’s going point-for-point, your mind is in overdrive but it is zeroing in on every tiny bit of the game, second by second. Your concentration is uniform. Your full attention goes to the next ball, the next kick-out, your position on the pitch, your team-mates’ positions, what sort of mood the referee is in, what wind is there, who’s on a yellow and everything else that’s going on. But when you’re being beaten in so many different positions, everything changes. Your mind starts to wander. You start thinking far more macro than micro. You go from worrying about each tiny little thing to wallowing in the overall situation. The whole thing becomes too big in your head – and in reality too, for that matter. You can keep plugging away but at a certain point you may as well be trying to keep the tide out. There’s no turning it around at that stage. There’s no saving face. In a tight game, if you make a mistake you can knuckle down and reset. But when you’re getting trounced, there’s no resetting. Even the good things you do can feel dispiriting. That day against Meath in 2001, Séamus Moynihan was the only one of us that came out with any respectability intact. He played to his standard and won his battle. But because the rest of us came nowhere near reaching our standard, he was left high and dry. And it got to the stage whereby even if one of us raised a gallop and went and scored a point, there was nothing to celebrate. It was as if the crowd were going, “Well, you scored a point – what about it? Ye’re 15 points behind here.” You’re standing there, abandoned. And you’ve nobody to blame but yourself.
Graham Geraghty of Meath tackles Séamus Moynihan of Kerry during a 2001 encounter. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho The aftermath of a hammering is brutal. The only thing you can think about is the one thing you don’t want to think about – trying to get an answer as to why this happened. You didn’t expect it. You didn’t even consider it as an outcome. You knew the game would be tough and you weren’t cocky or anything. But in all the scenarios you built up beforehand, being beaten by a cricket score never came into your head. Any time I was on a team that got thrashed like that for club or county, it made the reaction very important. You had to come away from it going, “right, when we get a chance again, we’re going to fix this”. In 2002, we came back and played some of our best football for Kerry. We lost the All-Ireland final to Armagh but all in all, we had a fairly good season and we got the hosing from Meath out of our system. To some extent, anyway. You could look at Monaghan’s situation and say they are lucky in one way because they don’t have to wait until next year to try and fix this. They have two games left in the group, against Louth and Meath. If they have anything about them at all, they need to regroup now and give a better show of themselves. My worry for them, though, is that they’ve gone back so far. They haven’t won a game since January and you can see why. It’s very hard to square the team that only scored two points in the first half last Saturday with the one that was level with the Dubs with 10 minutes to go in last year’s All-Ireland semi-final. They’ve taken a few beatings in the league and some of their younger players look very raw for this level of football. Turning that situation around is a massive task. I wouldn’t be surprised if they felt like getting the season over and done with as quickly as possible.
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Post by mainevalley on May 30, 2024 21:39:07 GMT
Pleased to see Dylan Casey, Mike Breen and Cillian getting a run from the off. Also delighted to see Dylan Geaney back on the bench. He is a good prospect. We know what Stephen O’Brien will give us. Worrying that Graham is still unavailable. Time is closing in on him. Yeah thought he would give lads games, makes sense to me, delighted Breen gets a game at 6.
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Post by Hicser on May 30, 2024 23:34:52 GMT
Interesting couple of selections, it would be nice to see the team improve from the Monahan game. They don’t need to blow the lights out but win both halves convincingly, keep the performance consistent over the 70.
I fear a bit for Meath this could be worse then than our loss in 2001. I won’t have much sympathy for O‘Rourke, found him a condescending pundit who has been found out in management. Hopefully RTE will keep him out to pasture when his stint finishes.
It’s crazy to think we are playing Meath away in the championship and we have no chance of losing.
I get Veterans comments on always being excited watching Kerry. I do feel that way as well. However the competitive vibe is not there and that is the essence of Sport. No competition and fans start getting disinterested,
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2024 7:00:16 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: When you’re on the wrong end of a hammering, it can feel like trying to keep the tide out Every player has experienced what happened to Monaghan in Killarney last Saturday, the sort of nightmare you can’t wake up from -- I went to Killarney on Saturday and watched a game that did nobody any good. Monaghan were so bad they brought Kerry down with them. It was one of those games where the team handing out the hammering couldn’t get themselves out of second gear because the opposition weren’t offering anything for them to go after. At one stage early on, Rory Beggan and Conor McManus were playing the ball over and back to each other in the Monaghan full-back line after a kick-out. Even if you took no notice of the scoreboard, when something like that is happening you know the whole thing is upside down. Whatever preparation Monaghan did in the last six weeks, you can be fairly sure none of it involved a game plan that had McManus being last man back on their own kick-out. But that’s the sort of thing that can happen when your team is on the wrong end of a hiding. We’ve all been there. In real time, it feels like a sort of a nightmare that you know you can’t wake up from no matter how hard you try. You can’t shake yourself out of it. There’s nothing you can do only pass the time until it’s over. You get into a battle with your own head. The most public hammering I was ever on the receiving end of was when Meath gave us the mother and father of beatings in an All-Ireland semi-final in 2001. I remember standing on the pitch in Croke Park at one stage and thinking, “Christ, we’re going to get some hosing from people when we get back to Kerry.” Tight games don’t give you that thinking time. The whole point of doing your training is that you’ve done all your thinking before the ball is thrown in. Once you’re in it, you’re too busy focusing on the million small things that go to make up the 70 minutes. You need your real time reactions to situations to be totally tuned in, with no thought of the bigger picture at all. Nigel Crawford of Meath and Darragh O'Se of Kerry in 2001. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho When you’re in the middle of a game that’s going point-for-point, your mind is in overdrive but it is zeroing in on every tiny bit of the game, second by second. Your concentration is uniform. Your full attention goes to the next ball, the next kick-out, your position on the pitch, your team-mates’ positions, what sort of mood the referee is in, what wind is there, who’s on a yellow and everything else that’s going on. But when you’re being beaten in so many different positions, everything changes. Your mind starts to wander. You start thinking far more macro than micro. You go from worrying about each tiny little thing to wallowing in the overall situation. The whole thing becomes too big in your head – and in reality too, for that matter. You can keep plugging away but at a certain point you may as well be trying to keep the tide out. There’s no turning it around at that stage. There’s no saving face. In a tight game, if you make a mistake you can knuckle down and reset. But when you’re getting trounced, there’s no resetting. Even the good things you do can feel dispiriting. That day against Meath in 2001, Séamus Moynihan was the only one of us that came out with any respectability intact. He played to his standard and won his battle. But because the rest of us came nowhere near reaching our standard, he was left high and dry. And it got to the stage whereby even if one of us raised a gallop and went and scored a point, there was nothing to celebrate. It was as if the crowd were going, “Well, you scored a point – what about it? Ye’re 15 points behind here.” You’re standing there, abandoned. And you’ve nobody to blame but yourself. Graham Geraghty of Meath tackles Séamus Moynihan of Kerry during a 2001 encounter. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho The aftermath of a hammering is brutal. The only thing you can think about is the one thing you don’t want to think about – trying to get an answer as to why this happened. You didn’t expect it. You didn’t even consider it as an outcome. You knew the game would be tough and you weren’t cocky or anything. But in all the scenarios you built up beforehand, being beaten by a cricket score never came into your head. Any time I was on a team that got thrashed like that for club or county, it made the reaction very important. You had to come away from it going, “right, when we get a chance again, we’re going to fix this”. In 2002, we came back and played some of our best football for Kerry. We lost the All-Ireland final to Armagh but all in all, we had a fairly good season and we got the hosing from Meath out of our system. To some extent, anyway. You could look at Monaghan’s situation and say they are lucky in one way because they don’t have to wait until next year to try and fix this. They have two games left in the group, against Louth and Meath. If they have anything about them at all, they need to regroup now and give a better show of themselves. My worry for them, though, is that they’ve gone back so far. They haven’t won a game since January and you can see why. It’s very hard to square the team that only scored two points in the first half last Saturday with the one that was level with the Dubs with 10 minutes to go in last year’s All-Ireland semi-final. They’ve taken a few beatings in the league and some of their younger players look very raw for this level of football. Turning that situation around is a massive task. I wouldn’t be surprised if they felt like getting the season over and done with as quickly as possible. There is no comparison between Monaghans defeat and our defeat to Meath in 2001.Monaghan knew damn well that no matter what there are still in the championship and can still qualify.In 01 v Meath it was a semi final and we were reigning All Ireland champions but got kicked to death.Only Moynihan and Mike McCarthy stood up that day.We were hit with two injuries to our backline in the first half with both Mike Hassett and Tom Sullivan having to go off.Noel Kennelly went back half back and we were destroyed midfield where John McDermott ruled the sector.It was the second time in my lifetime I was present where Kerry were beaten by 15 points in championship football and it was embarassing tbh.(Cork 1990 the other time).It was the first time I ever heard opposing fans jeering and chanting ole ole at a gaelic match.We scored 1 point in the second gakf from Declan Quill and some Meath fans cheered the score.Being destroyed in a knockout game is soul destroying and you know thats it for another year.Sure in this format its no big deal.In fact we were destroyed by Mayo last year and we still topped the group. I also had forgotten Tomás was suspended for his sending off against Dublin
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Post by givehimaball on May 31, 2024 9:35:17 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: When you’re on the wrong end of a hammering, it can feel like trying to keep the tide out Every player has experienced what happened to Monaghan in Killarney last Saturday, the sort of nightmare you can’t wake up from -- I went to Killarney on Saturday and watched a game that did nobody any good. Monaghan were so bad they brought Kerry down with them. It was one of those games where the team handing out the hammering couldn’t get themselves out of second gear because the opposition weren’t offering anything for them to go after. At one stage early on, Rory Beggan and Conor McManus were playing the ball over and back to each other in the Monaghan full-back line after a kick-out. Even if you took no notice of the scoreboard, when something like that is happening you know the whole thing is upside down. Whatever preparation Monaghan did in the last six weeks, you can be fairly sure none of it involved a game plan that had McManus being last man back on their own kick-out. But that’s the sort of thing that can happen when your team is on the wrong end of a hiding. We’ve all been there. In real time, it feels like a sort of a nightmare that you know you can’t wake up from no matter how hard you try. You can’t shake yourself out of it. There’s nothing you can do only pass the time until it’s over. You get into a battle with your own head. The most public hammering I was ever on the receiving end of was when Meath gave us the mother and father of beatings in an All-Ireland semi-final in 2001. I remember standing on the pitch in Croke Park at one stage and thinking, “Christ, we’re going to get some hosing from people when we get back to Kerry.” Tight games don’t give you that thinking time. The whole point of doing your training is that you’ve done all your thinking before the ball is thrown in. Once you’re in it, you’re too busy focusing on the million small things that go to make up the 70 minutes. You need your real time reactions to situations to be totally tuned in, with no thought of the bigger picture at all. Nigel Crawford of Meath and Darragh O'Se of Kerry in 2001. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho When you’re in the middle of a game that’s going point-for-point, your mind is in overdrive but it is zeroing in on every tiny bit of the game, second by second. Your concentration is uniform. Your full attention goes to the next ball, the next kick-out, your position on the pitch, your team-mates’ positions, what sort of mood the referee is in, what wind is there, who’s on a yellow and everything else that’s going on. But when you’re being beaten in so many different positions, everything changes. Your mind starts to wander. You start thinking far more macro than micro. You go from worrying about each tiny little thing to wallowing in the overall situation. The whole thing becomes too big in your head – and in reality too, for that matter. You can keep plugging away but at a certain point you may as well be trying to keep the tide out. There’s no turning it around at that stage. There’s no saving face. In a tight game, if you make a mistake you can knuckle down and reset. But when you’re getting trounced, there’s no resetting. Even the good things you do can feel dispiriting. That day against Meath in 2001, Séamus Moynihan was the only one of us that came out with any respectability intact. He played to his standard and won his battle. But because the rest of us came nowhere near reaching our standard, he was left high and dry. And it got to the stage whereby even if one of us raised a gallop and went and scored a point, there was nothing to celebrate. It was as if the crowd were going, “Well, you scored a point – what about it? Ye’re 15 points behind here.” You’re standing there, abandoned. And you’ve nobody to blame but yourself. Graham Geraghty of Meath tackles Séamus Moynihan of Kerry during a 2001 encounter. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho The aftermath of a hammering is brutal. The only thing you can think about is the one thing you don’t want to think about – trying to get an answer as to why this happened. You didn’t expect it. You didn’t even consider it as an outcome. You knew the game would be tough and you weren’t cocky or anything. But in all the scenarios you built up beforehand, being beaten by a cricket score never came into your head. Any time I was on a team that got thrashed like that for club or county, it made the reaction very important. You had to come away from it going, “right, when we get a chance again, we’re going to fix this”. In 2002, we came back and played some of our best football for Kerry. We lost the All-Ireland final to Armagh but all in all, we had a fairly good season and we got the hosing from Meath out of our system. To some extent, anyway. You could look at Monaghan’s situation and say they are lucky in one way because they don’t have to wait until next year to try and fix this. They have two games left in the group, against Louth and Meath. If they have anything about them at all, they need to regroup now and give a better show of themselves. My worry for them, though, is that they’ve gone back so far. They haven’t won a game since January and you can see why. It’s very hard to square the team that only scored two points in the first half last Saturday with the one that was level with the Dubs with 10 minutes to go in last year’s All-Ireland semi-final. They’ve taken a few beatings in the league and some of their younger players look very raw for this level of football. Turning that situation around is a massive task. I wouldn’t be surprised if they felt like getting the season over and done with as quickly as possible. There is no comparison between Monaghans defeat and our defeat to Meath in 2001.Monaghan knew damn well that no matter what there are still in the championship and can still qualify.In 01 v Meath it was a semi final and we were reigning All Ireland champions but got kicked to death.Only Moynihan and Mike McCarthy stood up that day.We were hit with two injuries to our backline in the first half with both Mike Hassett and Tom Sullivan having to go off.Noel Kennelly went back half back and we were destroyed midfield where John McDermott ruled the sector.It was the second time in my lifetime I was present where Kerry were beaten by 15 points in championship football and it was embarassing tbh.(Cork 1990 the other time).It was the first time I ever heard opposing fans jeering and chanting ole ole at a gaelic match.We scored 1 point in the second gakf from Declan Quill and some Meath fans cheered the score.Being destroyed in a knockout game is soul destroying and you know thats it for another year.Sure in this format its no big deal.In fact we were destroyed by Mayo last year and we still topped the group. The thing is I don't think anyone saw the defeat in 2001 coming, especially the complete non-performance in the 2nd half. By comparison Monaghan had lost their last 7 games in a row before the Kerry game. Monaghan to me looked like a team whose leaders had gone to the well too often and found it dry. The atmosphere in the stadium for the 2nd half of the Meath was just so weird - felt like people had difficulty accepting what was going on in front of their eyes.
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Post by Jo90 on May 31, 2024 10:25:47 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: When you’re on the wrong end of a hammering, it can feel like trying to keep the tide out There is no comparison between Monaghans defeat and our defeat to Meath in 2001.Monaghan knew damn well that no matter what there are still in the championship and can still qualify.In 01 v Meath it was a semi final and we were reigning All Ireland champions but got kicked to death.Only Moynihan and Mike McCarthy stood up that day.We were hit with two injuries to our backline in the first half with both Mike Hassett and Tom Sullivan having to go off.Noel Kennelly went back half back and we were destroyed midfield where John McDermott ruled the sector.It was the second time in my lifetime I was present where Kerry were beaten by 15 points in championship football and it was embarassing tbh.(Cork 1990 the other time).It was the first time I ever heard opposing fans jeering and chanting ole ole at a gaelic match.We scored 1 point in the second gakf from Declan Quill and some Meath fans cheered the score.Being destroyed in a knockout game is soul destroying and you know thats it for another year.Sure in this format its no big deal.In fact we were destroyed by Mayo last year and we still topped the group. Meath players in the players lounge after the match started Oléing themselves as they watched the match back, with Kerry players present. Knew then Karma would bite them in the ass.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2024 11:32:06 GMT
I was listening to a podcast during the week, Darran Fay was saying after the game he was walking of the pitch with a team mate, I forget who he said it was and he said to Fay, this result will effect Meath more in the long term than Kerry,
How right he was....
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Post by thehermit on May 31, 2024 11:48:09 GMT
All this discussion of the shame of 01 is not good for the PTSD myself and every Kerry fan present suffered long after! As surreal a day as I ever experienced in a sporting context.
But ya karma is a auld bit*h, what did Meath every achieve after? Hockeyed by a similar scoreline a few weeks later in their last AI appearance, stole a Leinster title 14 years ago and then there's last year's Tailteann Cup! Some more karma this weekend please Clifford and Co. Might be worth bringing a veteran or two of that dark day to speak to them tomorrow about giving Meath no mercy!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 31, 2024 12:31:35 GMT
Looking at the team named and the last match I can't decide if Jack is trying to give game time to lads to keep them fit as he thinks he will use them later in the year or if he's giving games now to keep them happy as he doesn't plan on using them later in the year.
Interesting to see Mike Breen at 6. I think Jack and co have realised teams are making Morley mark a man and its unsettling the defence as he can't act as a sweeper. So they are going with Mike hoping he can play as a more traditional 6. Also keeps teams guessing as what we are going to do in terms of +1 or go with a flat 6.
Was there in 01 on the hill right behind the goals. The minors lost out as well to Dublin the same day.
Nothing went right for Kerry that day in the seniors. They looked very heavy legged the same day. Half backline was completely wiped out with the suspension for Tomas and the Mike Hassett and Tom Sullivan getting injured. We we completely obliterated at midfield which meant the forwards were starved of ball while the back were under incessant pressure. Any ball the broke in the middle was hoovered up by meath.
What really sticks in my mind was the oleing etc by the Meath supporters for the last 15 mins. Always liked the white Jersey though!
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 31, 2024 12:55:51 GMT
Looking at the team named and the last match I can't decide if Jack is trying to give game time to lads to keep them fit as he thinks he will use them later in the year or if he's giving games now to keep them happy as he doesn't plan on using them later in the year. Interesting to see Mike Breen at 6. I think Jack and co have realised teams are making Morley mark a man and its unsettling the defence as he can't act as a sweeper. So they are going with Mike hoping he can play as a more traditional 6. Also keeps teams guessing as what we are going to do in terms of +1 or go with a flat 6. Was there in 01 on the hill right behind the goals. The minors lost out as well to Dublin the same day. Nothing went right for Kerry that day in the seniors. They looked very heavy legged the same day. Half backline was completely wiped out with the suspension for Tomas and the Mike Hassett and Tom Sullivan getting injured. We we completely obliterated at midfield which meant the forwards were starved of ball while the back were under incessant pressure. Any ball the broke in the middle was hoovered up by meath. What really sticks in my mind was the oleing etc by the Meath supporters for the last 15 mins. Always liked the white Jersey though! I was in a bar in Canaries in that White Jersey as it was class. Got dogs abuse all afternoon. That result was a curse for Meath as many thought they just had to show up against Galway. I know many of their fans were embarrassed by that ole behaviour after. I reminded them of in in 2009. Meath never recovered and Kerry did.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 31, 2024 14:23:33 GMT
We oléd against Tyrone in Killarney in, was it 2010 or 12?
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Post by hurlingman on May 31, 2024 16:42:38 GMT
I also had forgotten Tomás was suspended for his sending off against Dublin Yeah thats right Horse and If memory serves me correct Mike Hassett was at 5 and Tom Sulkivan at 7 who both went of injures.Our half back line was decimated.A day Iike to forget! You'd forget the first few seasons of his career Tom Sullivan was a half back. Something that also surprised me was thst was Mike Hassetts last game for Kerry and he was only 27 I think. I always thought he was older.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 31, 2024 17:12:12 GMT
I think Mike moved to Wicklow with the teaching and couldn't commit the time. Marc and Sheehan his fellow Killorglin man came into the backs the following year. Tom Sullivan dropped to the bench as well. His notable contribution in 02 was picking the head off Fionnan Murray in the semi and getting then line a few mins after coming on.
Because of the time based suspension at the time his ban was up the night before the final with armagh
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Post by Joxer on May 31, 2024 19:39:27 GMT
Just listening to Marc O Se on Today fm.I honestly think himself and his two brothers are bluffers as pundits. I couldn’t agree more Ciarraímick!
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Post by exiled on May 31, 2024 19:59:28 GMT
Just listening to Marc O Se on Today fm.I honestly think himself and his two brothers are bluffers as pundits. I couldn’t agree more Ciarraímick! When you have a totally dyed in the woll Dub agreeing with someone who calls himself a Kerry fan then I think that all time the Kerry fan has spent in the capital has turned his colours somewhat. To badmouth the O'SHEA family in whole over one interview is so far below the belt I'm only surprised he didn't include the next generation as well. Talk about losing respect for a poster in one post..
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Post by ballyf1984 on May 31, 2024 20:38:32 GMT
Just listening to Marc O Se on Today fm.I honestly think himself and his two brothers are bluffers as pundits. I couldn’t agree more Ciarraímick! Bluffers I’m afraid they are not. But I’m sure you two brave boys walked the walk in yere day. I hope ye did because unfortunately ye don’t really talk the talk. Irrelevant what most pundits say a lot of the time in the current structure because the best teams only kick off around now.
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Post by ballyf1984 on May 31, 2024 20:40:25 GMT
There's the team:
1 (GK) Shane Ryan, Rathmore 2 Dylan Casey, Austin Stacks 3 Jason Foley, Ballydonoghue 4 Tom O’Sullivan, Dingle 5 Brian Ó Beaglaoich, An Ghaeltacht 6 Mike Breen, Beaufort 7 Gavin White, Dr. Crokes 8 Diarmuid O’Connor, Na Gaeil 9 Joe O’Connor, Austin Stacks 10 Tony Brosnan, Dr. Crokes 11 Paudie Clifford, Fossa 12 Cillian Burke, Milltown/Castlemaine 13 David Clifford, Fossa 14 Seán O’Shea, Kenmare 15 Paul Geaney, Dingle Subs: 16 (GK) Shane Murphy, Dr. Crokes 17 Dara Moynihan, Spa, Killarney 18 Tadhg Morley, Templenoe 19 Paul Murphy, Rathmore 20 Seán O’Brien, Beaufort 21 Adrian Spillane, Templenoe 22 Barry Dan O’Sullivan, Dingle 23 Killian Spillane, Templenoe 24 Darragh Roche, Glenflesk 25 Armin Heinrich, Austin Stacks 26 Dylan Geaney, Dingle Captain’s Name: Paudie Clifford Strange to see Morley and Murphy going to the bench. Cillian Burke was excellent when he came on against Monaghan, and has won his place back. Please to see that, I think he could be a bit of an X-factor in the championship.
A strong team. Shows what places are up for grabs as I think those 12 fellas that kept their place are part of the strongest Championship team Kerry have to offer. Interesting to see Mike Breen back, has he started a Championship game since Tyrone 2021 (maybe someone might enlighten me here). I think Jack sees that maybe teams are getting through us too easy with Morley at CHB so he's testing out Mike here. Mike was very good for Mid Kerry as a holding midfielder in the County Championship last year. Burke will give us a platform under the kickout that Moynihan doesn't and also the pace and power that he shows when he runs at defences. To be fair I'm pretty happy with the team. Hoping to see Graham back in the panel soon. Nice to see it freshened. Obviously lads are putting their hands up. Hope they kick on further.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 31, 2024 21:14:02 GMT
Great players don't necessarily make great pundits.
Brian O'Driscoll in another code is a very average pundit.
But that is not saying anything about Ó Sés.
Darragh has his stories. Tomás is competent. Don't know anything about Marc's punditry.
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Post by exiled on May 31, 2024 21:49:52 GMT
I can post stuff while in the pub with a few pints in but will never slag off a family who has given so much to their county. Be they Spillane OShea OKeefe Kenelley etc. Punditry has nothing to do with playing. I've never seen our previous generations disrespected.
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Post by patshamrock on Jun 1, 2024 6:53:00 GMT
There are 7 backs going for 6 positions. Great to see Breen and Casey starting but realistically even if they have great games, it's only Meath. Breen is getting game time but does Jack trust Casey on a big day. Like last years final, it showed Jack didn't trust Barry Dan on the big day to bring him on. And then there's the enigma that is killian spillane, we all know what he can do on the biggest days, but will we see him in the coming weeks, he really needs to start showing in other games if he gets a chance. I think forwards and backs against a weak team like meath could be treated differently so if Burke plays very well he could stay in the team unless he has a bad performance along the way, while backs such as casey and breen against a weak team might not play themselves into the team. Saying that Breen should certainly be seen as a possible replacement to Morley for games where Morley isn't left as the extra man/sweeper.
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Post by thegrainofrice on Jun 1, 2024 7:34:44 GMT
Hi folks - firs time poster, long time reader. Looking forward to the game tomorrow and should be another confidence builder following Monaghan game. I am living in Dublin and my wife has the car for the weekend, just wondering what might be the best way to travel to the game, or maybe even better if some fellow Kerry supporters might offer me a lift :-)
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Post by ballyf1984 on Jun 1, 2024 7:48:30 GMT
I can post stuff while in the pub with a few pints in but will never slag off a family who has given so much to their county. Be they Spillane OShea OKeefe Kenelley etc. Punditry has nothing to do with playing. I've never seen our previous generations disrespected. Well practice what you preach so and never slag a pubdit that has won all ireland medals.I ll stand over everything i post.The boys i nention always adore and pay homage to Dubkin not because they like Dublin but they know where their bread is buttered.I live in the real world. My god that is really ridiculous stuff. Of course you can criticise pundits. Because a pundit was a successful player does not give them a free pass!!! But the stuff here being said is laughable…. That the Dubs butter their bread? ? Are ye serious??? My god sad stuff. Like it or lump it Dublin have dominated football for the bones of 15 years. They are the most likely to win it again. But Kerry will have an unbelievable chance this year. I hope they win it I really do. I’d give Kerry a great chance. Stupid talk regarding pundits having agendas towards Dublin give me a break. Going on yere posts in the past I’m worse answering. And I don’t even have a loyalty to them.
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Post by ballyf1984 on Jun 1, 2024 7:50:59 GMT
When you have a totally dyed in the woll Dub agreeing with someone who calls himself a Kerry fan then I think that all time the Kerry fan has spent in the capital has turned his colours somewhat. To badmouth the O'SHEA family in whole over one interview is so far below the belt I'm only surprised he didn't include the next generation as well. Talk about losing respect for a poster in one post.. I lost respect for you as a poster long time ago.You are blinkered.You remind me of animal farm.Two legs good 4 legs bad.I know you dont even understand. I have joined lately. My god some stuff. A friend of mine is on here and really enjoys it and there is some really fair and balanced commentary here and stuff that is great to see. But ten there is certain stuff and it’s actually funny.
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Post by ballyf1984 on Jun 1, 2024 7:53:20 GMT
Bluffers I’m afraid they are not. But I’m sure you two brave boys walked the walk in yere day. I hope ye did because unfortunately ye don’t really talk the talk. Irrelevant what most pundits say a lot of the time in the current structure because the best teams only kick off around now. They were great footballers but they like money and play the game to suit.If im wrong prove it How do they play the game to suit? Because they think Dublin are good? Dublin are good!!! 🤯
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 1, 2024 7:55:17 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 1, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
To be fair lads,
Calling lads bluffers or that they like money is going to get a negative reaction.
All pundits regardless of their county get paid and given what they gave to their county in enjoyment I think is well deserved.
If you don't like someone's views don't read the articles.
There is a tendency by some to always offer the alternative view.
That's all fine in a debate but this is a Kerry forum and no different than the Mayo or Dublin forum it's obviously biased.
Slating Ex Kerry players isint on.
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