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Post by royalkerryfan on May 22, 2024 15:55:32 GMT
OSullivan for Murphy for me,
Tough on Paul but there's no sentiment in sport.
Murphy would be a huge player to see out a game with his experience and smarts.
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Post by blacksheep21 on May 22, 2024 18:55:36 GMT
The case for O Beaglaoich seems to be based mainly around the last 10 minutes of the 2022 Dublin game. Murphys role in that game and particularly in the final that year has been overlooked massively. When you look at form since then, Murphy has done little wrong. I cannot see him being dropped.
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Post by The16thMan on May 22, 2024 21:07:10 GMT
Fixed for 2pm on Sunday June 2nd.. Shown on RTE
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Post by mainevalley on May 22, 2024 21:27:55 GMT
OSullivan for Murphy for me, Tough on Paul but there's no sentiment in sport. Murphy would be a huge player to see out a game with his experience and smarts. Agree there s no room for sentiment in sport if you want success.However I'd argue that until Paul has a bad day he cannot be dropped nor should he be dropped.Having watched all our games this year Paul has been our best back bar none.Some are saying Graham (and I want him on team too) but even Graham had a few errors during league.Paul gets slack for his lack of stature but I'd argue he has a good leap and is a better fielder than some of our backs.People are saying about O Beagloichs availability for the last kick out v Dubs in 22.Yes he was great but remember it was Paul that helped win us the free.Paul is also excellent at looking for the short kickout.Paul has been 7 8 and 9 out of ten in every game this year.No player has been more consistent.As I've stated previously "until he gets beaten or has a bad day then the Jersey is his." Don't know why no one is talking about it but Morley is our weakest defender this year by far and only for the fact paddy Lally and jack to a lesser extent rate him for that role of sitting in the pocket he would be gone long go. Murphy is arguably our best defender this year after Foley. Morley inability to mark a man one on one is stark and will be shown up when good teams push up like Dublin Galway or Derry or Donegal even.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 22, 2024 21:39:27 GMT
Agree there s no room for sentiment in sport if you want success.However I'd argue that until Paul has a bad day he cannot be dropped nor should he be dropped.Having watched all our games this year Paul has been our best back bar none.Some are saying Graham (and I want him on team too) but even Graham had a few errors during league.Paul gets slack for his lack of stature but I'd argue he has a good leap and is a better fielder than some of our backs.People are saying about O Beagloichs availability for the last kick out v Dubs in 22.Yes he was great but remember it was Paul that helped win us the free.Paul is also excellent at looking for the short kickout.Paul has been 7 8 and 9 out of ten in every game this year.No player has been more consistent.As I've stated previously "until he gets beaten or has a bad day then the Jersey is his." Don't know why no one is talking about it but Morley is our weakest defender this year by far and only for the fact paddy Lally and jack to a lesser extent rate him for that role of sitting in the pocket he would be gone long go. Murphy is arguably our best defender this year after Foley. Morley inability to mark a man one on one is stark and will be shown up when good teams push up like Dublin Galway or Derry or Donegal even. Who would you play at 6 then ?
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Post by veteran on May 22, 2024 21:57:33 GMT
I think it is true that Tadgh Morley has not been playing very well this year at CHB. Or perhaps it is more accurate to say that he is being dragged away from that position by the opposition. Gavin White seemed to play a lot there against Clare and Monaghan, and not too successfully I may add. During the NFL I suggested Adrian Spillane had all the characteristics a CHB would need but very likely it is too late in the season to experiment with that move now. In any case Jack is not the innovative type. Tom O’Sullivan was fried there once or twice during the NFL but that did not work out too well. Either way , management should look carefully at Tadgh’s role with a view to making him as crucial a figure as he was in 2022.
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Post by mainevalley on May 22, 2024 22:17:20 GMT
Don't know why no one is talking about it but Morley is our weakest defender this year by far and only for the fact paddy Lally and jack to a lesser extent rate him for that role of sitting in the pocket he would be gone long go. Murphy is arguably our best defender this year after Foley. Morley inability to mark a man one on one is stark and will be shown up when good teams push up like Dublin Galway or Derry or Donegal even. Who would you play at 6 then ? Someone should have been tried there already which infuriates me a little bit, even after the Dublin league defeat they kept with the idea. Lads like Mike breen were injured and it was bad timing. I honestly do think breen will finish up there. To answer your question though I would Murphy there ahead of Morley purely on better legs and being able to mark a man better.they both read the game the same way and aren't short of experience so that side id even. I don't think the rest of the defenders have the head for it yet.
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Post by mainevalley on May 22, 2024 22:18:47 GMT
Who would you play at 6 then ? Someone should have been tried there already which infuriates me a little bit, even after the Dublin league defeat they kept with the idea. Lads like Mike breen were injured and it was bad timing. I honestly do think breen will finish up there. To answer your question though I would Murphy there ahead of Morley purely on better legs and being able to mark a man better.they both read the game the same way and aren't short of experience so that side id even. I don't think the rest of the defenders have the head for it yet. Which ever way you put it our six best now are Tom Jason Graham white Murphy and Begley.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 22, 2024 22:29:25 GMT
Someone should have been tried there already which infuriates me a little bit, even after the Dublin league defeat they kept with the idea. Lads like Mike breen were injured and it was bad timing. I honestly do think breen will finish up there. To answer your question though I would Murphy there ahead of Morley purely on better legs and being able to mark a man better.they both read the game the same way and aren't short of experience so that side id even. I don't think the rest of the defenders have the head for it yet. Which ever way you put it our six best now are Tom Jason Graham white Murphy and Begley. You are probably right and had it not been for Breens injury he likely would have played there when Morely was away. For as much as Morely would be targeted Murphy would be also as he's not just not suited to 6. You need a physical presence at 6. We have too many defenders who want to attack and we need someone who's only focus is organising that defence.
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Post by Hicser on May 22, 2024 22:33:51 GMT
Hmm, Morely at CFB for me, I would expect him to come good for qtr finals for when Championship starts.
Remember this group stage is an extension of the league really. What’s that term; ‘It’s only the league’. now applies to this group stage.
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Post by mainevalley on May 23, 2024 2:21:07 GMT
Hmm, Morely at CFB for me, I would expect him to come good for qtr finals for when Championship starts. Remember this group stage is an extension of the league really. What’s that term; ‘It’s only the league’. now applies to this group stage. True about it being treated as league but I think it could be worse than league as calibre of teams is worse when makes the hiding of it worse and us not being shown up. Unless they try to train Morley up by putting him on speedy players to bring him up to match sharpness or allowing the defenders to go one on one purely to be sharp for croke Park.
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Post by mainevalley on May 23, 2024 2:28:28 GMT
Which ever way you put it our six best now are Tom Jason Graham white Murphy and Begley. You are probably right and had it not been for Breens injury he likely would have played there when Morely was away. For as much as Morely would be targeted Murphy would be also as he's not just not suited to 6. You need a physical presence at 6. We have too many defenders who want to attack and we need someone who's only focus is organising that defence. That is the point that Morley brings alright that is why tally likes him and also Jack but I genuinely think it's what teams are now targeting as a weak point with us. I must go back on a few games to see when Morley sits in hole who picks up his man. Could it be Moynihan helping out and is another reason why Moynihan is always retained even though he's not contributing much from general play. Seperate point I know.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 23, 2024 10:21:58 GMT
The issue with Morley, is teams are now engaging the sweeper, so the like of Morley is actually man marking as opposed to being free to cover the D in front of Jason.
I would actually peal it back a layer more, our defensive frailties lie with two attack minded midfielders, one of the O'Connor duo have to remain in the hole or the pocket vacated by Morley when dragged or engaged by an attacker. For this reason, I don't think the two Tralee lads are a long term given due to their similarities.
Jack, against Monaghan went with five scoring forwards, the two Cliffords, Seanie, Brosnan and Geaney. for that reason, I would be inclined to go more so towards Adrain Spillane than Dara, purely from a defensive platform.
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Post by Joxer on May 23, 2024 10:52:53 GMT
2pm on Sunday, June 2nd is confirmed now on the GAA website.
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Post by thehermit on May 23, 2024 13:12:28 GMT
2pm on Sunday, June 2nd is confirmed now on the GAA website. Apparently its also going to be shown live on RTE with Armagh v Derry at 4 forming a tv double header that Sunday.
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Post by Hicser on May 25, 2024 0:29:20 GMT
Lots of respect to Horsebox but I disagree. Every team needs to play to their strengths and then modify to counteract the opposition, it’s a balance. We have too long tried to counteract a packed defense or try to mimic it.
Kerry strength is and always is attack. IMO play your best most skillful scoring forwards always. It has to be all 6 forwards who take the shot to score immediately, no fear.
Once you get those 6 players you coach/teach them to defend. You feck them big time to defend but once attack happens you go for goal first, whatever way.
Midfield needs to be dynamic and attack minded also. Our best midfielders were great scorers Jack and Darragh.
So then you have defense. Guess what defenders do? You get the 6 hardest feckers who will not concede a goal.
Half backs transition ball to mid or half forward line. Attacking wing back my boxxix,
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Post by kerryexile on May 25, 2024 23:35:26 GMT
Following todays result in the Meath vs Louth game I continue to be astonished at Colm O'Rourke's limitations as a manager. I know the after game interviews are edited but he is never analytical and happy go lucky, looking forward to the next game. Kerry will beat them in 1st gear.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 26, 2024 7:49:19 GMT
Lots of respect to Horsebox but I disagree. Every team needs to play to their strengths and then modify to counteract the opposition, it’s a balance. We have too long tried to counteract a packed defense or try to mimic it. Kerry strength is and always is attack. IMO play your best most skillful scoring forwards always. It has to be all 6 forwards who take the shot to score immediately, no fear. Once you get those 6 players you coach/teach them to defend. You feck them big time to defend but once attack happens you go for goal first, whatever way. Midfield needs to be dynamic and attack minded also. Our best midfielders were great scorers Jack and Darragh. So then you have defense. Guess what defenders do? You get the 6 hardest feckers who will not concede a goal. Half backs transition ball to mid or half forward line. Attacking wing back my boxxix, I see your point, I just don't think thst would work in the modern game were positions often mean nothing... the example being, last week our corner backs scored five from play. "Our best midfielders were great scorers Jack and Darragh' The above is true but in my opinion because they had a defensive workhorse behind them... jacko had Seanie and Ambrose, Darragh had Kirby, Daky and Seamus Scanlon... however I must admit Seanie, Kirby and Daly did contribute on the scoreboard... maybe its just down to communication where one stays back to cover... You could make a valid argument for both our points, but looking at it, we unfortunately will be seriously undercooked come quarters
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 26, 2024 8:15:38 GMT
Lots of respect to Horsebox but I disagree. Every team needs to play to their strengths and then modify to counteract the opposition, it’s a balance. We have too long tried to counteract a packed defense or try to mimic it. Kerry strength is and always is attack. IMO play your best most skillful scoring forwards always. It has to be all 6 forwards who take the shot to score immediately, no fear. Once you get those 6 players you coach/teach them to defend. You feck them big time to defend but once attack happens you go for goal first, whatever way. Midfield needs to be dynamic and attack minded also. Our best midfielders were great scorers Jack and Darragh. So then you have defense. Guess what defenders do? You get the 6 hardest feckers who will not concede a goal. Half backs transition ball to mid or half forward line. Attacking wing back my boxxix, I see your point, I just don't think thst would work in the modern game were positions often mean nothing... the example being, last week our corner backs scored five from play. "Our best midfielders were great scorers Jack and Darragh' The above is true but in my opinion because they had a defensive workhorse behind them... jacko had Seanie and Ambrose, Darragh had Kirby, Daky and Seamus Scanlon... however I must admit Seanie, Kirby and Daly did contribute on the scoreboard... maybe its just down to communication where one stays back to cover... You could make a valid argument for both our points, but looking at it, we unfortunately will be seriously undercooked come quarters We will but look Kerry have been undercooked many times coming into QFs and yes we're nearly caught but mostly found a way. Dublin have been similar for years coming out of Leinster. Kerry should play their strongest team against Meath. In 2019 DC didn't play in Navan and the local kids were absolutely gutted. I'm not suggesting this is a reason to play him but it would be a good game for him to hammer in a few goals.
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Post by mossie on May 26, 2024 13:03:16 GMT
I see your point, I just don't think thst would work in the modern game were positions often mean nothing... the example being, last week our corner backs scored five from play. "Our best midfielders were great scorers Jack and Darragh' The above is true but in my opinion because they had a defensive workhorse behind them... jacko had Seanie and Ambrose, Darragh had Kirby, Daky and Seamus Scanlon... however I must admit Seanie, Kirby and Daly did contribute on the scoreboard... maybe its just down to communication where one stays back to cover... You could make a valid argument for both our points, but looking at it, we unfortunately will be seriously undercooked come quarters We will but look Kerry have been undercooked many times coming into QFs and yes we're nearly caught but mostly found a way. Dublin have been similar for years coming out of Leinster. Kerry should play their strongest team against Meath. In 2019 DC didn't play in Navan and the local kids were absolutely gutted. I'm not suggesting this is a reason to play him but it would be a good game for him to hammer in a few goals. If Meath defend like they did yesterday in the 1st half v Louth, Kerry would get a half dozen goals
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Post by dc84 on May 27, 2024 6:41:24 GMT
This undercooked thing I don't fully buy into if we didn't have a settled team of lads with 5 or 6 years of ic behind them I'd be more concerned. If we arrive at 1/4 final stage with no injuries I'd fancy us against anyone we are likely to play. Our lads have made the last two all irelands they know what's required to get there again and I believe they will.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 27, 2024 7:07:25 GMT
For anyone planning on travelling to Navan on Sunday.
It's a good straight run to Navan off the M50 at the Cavan/Blanchardstown exit.
It's no more than 45 mins from that exit.
While there is parking in Park Tailteann it is awful to get out from after a game.
There is a multi storey and a ground level car park in the town.
There is also street parking.
I would take any of those before going into the car park in Park Tailteann.
As for facilities especially for children it's a awful ground in regards toilets etc so if you get a chance go before you enter.
The stand itself is very old with restricted views in some places due to pillars go early if you want to be in the stand.
Terrace is better for those not requiring a seat.
No access behind the goals as they are grass hills.
The only good thing about the ground is the good Meath sod which is 2nd to none.
Hope the above is somewhat helpful.
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Post by mack21 on May 27, 2024 8:26:32 GMT
Agreed that Jack O Shea scored a lot but Darragh O Se? As Willie O Dea used to say..."ye would want to check yeer sources". I think we will arrive nicely in a quarter final having only been tested by Louth in this group. Our lads have made enough finals to know what is required at this stage. If we keep everyone fit..( I.e. David C.) we will be there or thereabouts. I'm not sure Dublin are the force people are thinking they are...Donegal could topple them...Some great games to come.. I think we could have a great championship from here on.
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Post by jackiel on May 27, 2024 9:20:08 GMT
For anyone planning on travelling to Navan on Sunday. It's a good straight run to Navan off the M50 at the Cavan/Blanchardstown exit. It's no more than 45 mins from that exit. While there is parking in Park Tailteann it is awful to get out from after a game. There is a multi storey and a ground level car park in the town. There is also street parking. I would take any of those before going into the car park in Park Tailteann. As for facilities especially for children it's a awful ground in regards toilets etc so if you get a chance go before you enter. The stand itself is very old with restricted views in some places due to pillars go early if you want to be in the stand. Terrace is better for those not requiring a seat. No access behind the goals as they are grass hills. The only good thing about the ground is the good Meath sod which is 2nd to none. Hope the above is somewhat helpful. Very informative post from Royal - in 2019 they repainted the seats before our match but unfortunately the paint hadn't dried so I came home with lovely yellow stripes on my light coloured jeans.
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Post by kerryexile on May 27, 2024 12:37:21 GMT
Agreed that Jack O Shea scored a lot but Darragh O Se? As Willie O Dea used to say..."ye would want to check yeer sources". I think we will arrive nicely in a quarter final having only been tested by Louth in this group. Our lads have made enough finals to know what is required at this stage. If we keep everyone fit..( I.e. David C.) we will be there or thereabouts. I'm not sure Dublin are the force people are thinking they are...Donegal could topple them...Some great games to come.. I think we could have a great championship from here on. You may well be right mack21. I have been keeping an eye on Dublin but it is hard to know how good or bad they are. What we can say is that they are depending on the same players who have been around for years, Cluxton, Fitzsimons, Kilkenny, Mannion, Fenton, McCarthy, Costello. There appears to be no youthful energy about them, any players that have come in are mediocre clones of players they replaced. The tactics are the same, recycle corners to wings and back around again, taking points on the loop and making space in the epicentre for a run at goal. Against Louth they looked limited in the first half and the only change in the second was that they did the same thing more intensely. Plan A and Plan A+, no plan B. In their last game Roscommon matched them almost point for point until the final quarter when an open defence handed Dublin 2 goals. They don't look like a good team trying not to show their hand, but the fascinating thing is they could be.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 27, 2024 13:13:38 GMT
Agreed that Jack O Shea scored a lot but Darragh O Se? As Willie O Dea used to say..."ye would want to check yeer sources". I think we will arrive nicely in a quarter final having only been tested by Louth in this group. Our lads have made enough finals to know what is required at this stage. If we keep everyone fit..( I.e. David C.) we will be there or thereabouts. I'm not sure Dublin are the force people are thinking they are...Donegal could topple them...Some great games to come.. I think we could have a great championship from here on. You may well be right mack21. I have been keeping an eye on Dublin but it is hard to know how good or bad they are. What we can say is that they are depending on the same players who have been around for years, Cluxton, Fitzsimons, Kilkenny, Mannion, Fenton, McCarthy, Costello. There appears to be no youthful energy about them, any players that have come in are mediocre clones of players they replaced. The tactics are the same, recycle corners to wings and back around again, taking points on the loop and making space in the epicentre for a run at goal. Against Louth they looked limited in the first half and the only change in the second was that they did the same thing more intensely. Plan A and Plan A+, no plan B. In their last game Roscommon matched them almost point for point until the final quarter when an open defence handed Dublin 2 goals. They don't look like a good team trying not to show their hand, but the fascinating thing is they could be. Did you see the speed they broke with for their second goal? That was a little scary... and mad they went the length of the pitch so fast without a kick pass.
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Post by kerryexile on May 27, 2024 14:56:10 GMT
You may well be right mack21. I have been keeping an eye on Dublin but it is hard to know how good or bad they are. What we can say is that they are depending on the same players who have been around for years, Cluxton, Fitzsimons, Kilkenny, Mannion, Fenton, McCarthy, Costello. There appears to be no youthful energy about them, any players that have come in are mediocre clones of players they replaced. The tactics are the same, recycle corners to wings and back around again, taking points on the loop and making space in the epicentre for a run at goal. Against Louth they looked limited in the first half and the only change in the second was that they did the same thing more intensely. Plan A and Plan A+, no plan B. In their last game Roscommon matched them almost point for point until the final quarter when an open defence handed Dublin 2 goals. They don't look like a good team trying not to show their hand, but the fascinating thing is they could be. Did you see the speed they broke with for their second goal? That was a little scary... and mad they went the length of the pitch so fast without a kick pass. You are right, very much like last years final but this time it was from defence out. And like last years final, they had acres of space. Roscommon were dying out of the game by then. It is always interesting to see how another manager would deal with that especially a good tactician like Jim McG.
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Post by cliffy on May 27, 2024 21:53:22 GMT
Anyone with Dara O Ses article in Irish Times last Wednesday? Cheers👍
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Post by The16thMan on May 27, 2024 22:38:51 GMT
Looks as if a small Kerry support travelling for Sundays game. A lot of people with Season Tickets or 3 game pass selling their tickets for the game at reduced prices. No surprise really. Tomás had a good idea for the groups stage that might attract more people. Top 2 go through, bottom 2 out. 2 winners from Rd.1 play each other in Rd.2 of group and 2 losers go against each other. That way it eliminates dead rubbers to a large extent in Rd.3. Sounds a good idea to me and might bring people back to the games again.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 28, 2024 7:43:04 GMT
Cannot see more that 3500 Kerry supporters heading up the M7 to this one.
Putting it plain and simple, just too expensive for a household, what exacerbates the point, is the poor entertainment value.
I can see many supporters keeping the paw in the pocket until the quarter final stage.
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