horsebox77
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 10, 2024 20:04:45 GMT
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Post by mainevalley on Sept 10, 2024 20:22:33 GMT
Desperate unfair on the two club players that aren't with mid Kerry and Brendan's to wait that long
Should the final have gone to penalties then? I'm inclined to say a week should have been made available for a replay before the County Championship...even if that meant no week off between semifinal and final.
The competition had 5 consecutive weekends (from 27 July to 25 Aug) to hold 3 group games, quarterfinal and semifinal. A week off between semifinal and final (1 Sept) and final on 8 Sept.
Would the finalists have preferred to have the final on 1 Sept, with replay if needed on 8 Sept...meaning six weekends in a row (seven when replay added)?
On the other hand, the eventual winner should be well primed for Munster Club v Cork or Limerick representatives two weeks after the replay on weekend of 24 Nov.
Trying to fit two championships into the same space that most other counties have just the one is Kerry's dilemma. How to get to quarterfinal stage in 2 games rather than 3 is the question...open draw with seedings based on county league standings (top 8 in bowl 1, bottom 8 in bowl 2) would get us to quarterfinal stage after one round. Maybe an intermediate shield for the first round losers should be considered in order to keep players active till county championship. Same setup for junior premier and junior I suppose.
Would there have been any wriggle room to put it on next Sunday and put back 1st round for Brendan's and mid Kerry. It might have meant the whole thing being held up a week but don't think anyone would complain. |
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Post by Control8 on Sept 10, 2024 21:12:54 GMT
Should the final have gone to penalties then? I'm inclined to say a week should have been made available for a replay before the County Championship...even if that meant no week off between semifinal and final.
The competition had 5 consecutive weekends (from 27 July to 25 Aug) to hold 3 group games, quarterfinal and semifinal. A week off between semifinal and final (1 Sept) and final on 8 Sept.
Would the finalists have preferred to have the final on 1 Sept, with replay if needed on 8 Sept...meaning six weekends in a row (seven when replay added)?
On the other hand, the eventual winner should be well primed for Munster Club v Cork or Limerick representatives two weeks after the replay on weekend of 24 Nov.
Trying to fit two championships into the same space that most other counties have just the one is Kerry's dilemma. How to get to quarterfinal stage in 2 games rather than 3 is the question...open draw with seedings based on county league standings (top 8 in bowl 1, bottom 8 in bowl 2) would get us to quarterfinal stage after one round. Maybe an intermediate shield for the first round losers should be considered in order to keep players active till county championship. Same setup for junior premier and junior I suppose.
Would there have been any wriggle room to put it on next Sunday and put back 1st round for Brendan's and mid Kerry. It might have meant the whole thing being held up a week but don't think anyone would complain.
I believe the County Championship has the first 3 rounds on consecutive weekends, namely 15, 22 and 29 Sept. There is a week off on 6 Oct, followed by quarterfinals on 13 Oct and semifinals on 20 Oct. Week off on 27 Oct and Final set for 3 Nov.
10 Nov sees Munster Senior Club start, with Kerry v Cork representatives at a Kerry venue. This could be awkward if two club sides get to the final and Dr. Crokes is not one of them (say any 2 from Dingle, Kenmare or Rathmore) as any postponement/delay to the County Championship would see Dr. Crokes sent forward as the Kerry representative.
You also have to remember that a team that wins in both Round 1 and Round 2 do not play in Round 3, as they would have a bye to the quarterfinal stage. Also, a team that loses both Round 1 and Round 2 are out of the competition.
If I had a vote, and I certainly do not, I'd be deferring all County Championship games a week and losing the open weekend of 6 Oct, thus allowing the intermediate replay be on this coming weekend, 15 Sept.
Postponing just the St. Brendan's and Mid Kerry games will create an imbalance down the line unless both win or lose their 2 initial Rounds, but that would be second choice.
Teams that lose their first round fixture will be very anxious to avoid the losers of Kenmare/Dr. Crokes and Rathmore/East Kerry in Round 2B.
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Post by mainevalley on Sept 10, 2024 21:19:54 GMT
Would there have been any wriggle room to put it on next Sunday and put back 1st round for Brendan's and mid Kerry. It might have meant the whole thing being held up a week but don't think anyone would complain.
I believe the County Championship has the first 3 rounds on consecutive weekends, namely 15, 22 and 29 Sept. There is a week off on 6 Oct, followed by quarterfinals on 13 Oct and semifinals on 20 Oct. Week off on 27 Oct and Final set for 3 Nov.
10 Nov sees Munster Senior Club start, with Kerry v Cork representatives at a Kerry venue. This could be awkward if two club sides get to the final and Dr. Crokes is not one of them (say any 2 from Dingle, Kenmare or Rathmore) as any postponement/delay to the County Championship would see Dr. Crokes sent forward as the Kerry representative.
You also have to remember that a team that wins in both Round 1 and Round 2 do not play in Round 3, as they would have a bye to the quarterfinal stage. Also, a team that loses both Round 1 and Round 2 are out of the competition.
If I had a vote, and I certainly do not, I'd be deferring all County Championship games a week and losing the open weekend of 6 Oct, thus allowing the intermediate replay be on this coming weekend, 15 Sept.
Postponing just the St. Brendan's and Mid Kerry games will create an imbalance down the line unless both win or lose their 2 initial Rounds, but that would be second choice.
Teams that lose their first round fixture will be very anxious to avoid the losers of Kenmare/Dr. Crokes and Rathmore/East Kerry in Round 2B.
Would have made sense alright |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 10, 2024 21:20:14 GMT
Would there have been any wriggle room to put it on next Sunday and put back 1st round for Brendan's and mid Kerry. It might have meant the whole thing being held up a week but don't think anyone would complain.
I believe the County Championship has the first 3 rounds on consecutive weekends, namely 15, 22 and 29 Sept. There is a week off on 6 Oct, followed by quarterfinals on 13 Oct and semifinals on 20 Oct. Week off on 27 Oct and Final set for 3 Nov.
10 Nov sees Munster Senior Club start, with Kerry v Cork representatives at a Kerry venue. This could be awkward if two club sides get to the final and Dr. Crokes is not one of them (say any 2 from Dingle, Kenmare or Rathmore) as any postponement/delay to the County Championship would see Dr. Crokes sent forward as the Kerry representative.
You also have to remember that a team that wins in both Round 1 and Round 2 do not play in Round 3, as they would have a bye to the quarterfinal stage. Also, a team that loses both Round 1 and Round 2 are out of the competition.
If I had a vote, and I certainly do not, I'd be deferring all County Championship games a week and losing the open weekend of 6 Oct, thus allowing the intermediate replay be on this coming weekend, 15 Sept.
Postponing just the St. Brendan's and Mid Kerry games will create an imbalance down the line unless both win or lose their 2 initial Rounds, but that would be second choice.
Teams that lose their first round fixture will be very anxious to avoid the losers of Kenmare/Dr. Crokes and Rathmore/East Kerry in Round 2B.
Surely the game could be played mid week under lights in ASP. Seem unbelievable that lads will wait 2 months for a replay. |
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Post by The16thMan on Oct 14, 2024 20:15:05 GMT
Final: Austin Stacks 0-12 Laune Rangers 2-6, AET Replay details not yet announced. Replay fixed for Sunday November 10th @ 1.30pm in Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney. Surely the County board are looking at bringing this game forward. I see the Junior Premier final is now on the 26th @ 5pm in Tralee, no reason couldn't be on the same day as a double header now St.Brendans are out. |
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Post by topoftown on Oct 28, 2024 20:12:25 GMT
Replay brought forward 24 hours due to a clash with Crokes and Castlehaven.
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Post by A.N. Other on Oct 29, 2024 7:55:03 GMT
Replay brought forward 24 hours due to a clash with Crokes and Castlehaven. Ridiculous decision to play the replay at 1:30pm on a Saturday. |
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 29, 2024 8:20:53 GMT
Replay brought forward 24 hours due to a clash with Crokes and Castlehaven. Ridiculous decision to play the replay at 1:30pm on a Saturday. More great planning from the CB. Why couldn't it have been played at the weekend? I know Laune Rangers were playing in the Mid Kerry championship but still. Now they're out you'd imagine this weekend would be the time to play it. |
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Post by jerryewe on Oct 29, 2024 13:05:24 GMT
Ridiculous decision to play the replay at 1:30pm on a Saturday. More great planning from the CB. Why couldn't it have been played at the weekend? I know Laune Rangers were playing in the Mid Kerry championship but still. Now they're out you'd imagine this weekend would be the time to play it. I think it would be worse to move a Co. final forward at such short notice. I’m assuming the idea was that the final would be played close to Munster championship starting so this is why it has been pushed so late. If it had already been played as some have suggested it could have meant the winners would be going into Munster without a game for a month. And if that happened you would have people complaining that the wait was too long. My point is that I would give the Co. Board break when scheduling fixtures. It’s an almost impossible undertaking and there is always going to some faction complaining. |
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Post by topoftown on Oct 29, 2024 13:54:25 GMT
Replay brought forward 24 hours due to a clash with Crokes and Castlehaven. Ridiculous decision to play the replay at 1:30pm on a Saturday. Under lights on the Saturday evening would have been great. |
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 29, 2024 14:35:31 GMT
More great planning from the CB. Why couldn't it have been played at the weekend? I know Laune Rangers were playing in the Mid Kerry championship but still. Now they're out you'd imagine this weekend would be the time to play it. I think it would be worse to move a Co. final forward at such short notice. I’m assuming the idea was that the final would be played close to Munster championship starting so this is why it has been pushed so late. If it had already been played as some have suggested it could have meant the winners would be going into Munster without a game for a month. And if that happened you would have people complaining that the wait was too long. My point is that I would give the Co. Board break when scheduling fixtures. It’s an almost impossible undertaking and there is always going to some faction complaining. The CB have no issues with letting the hurling champions wait for months between the county final and Munster. |
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Post by jerryewe on Oct 29, 2024 16:24:13 GMT
The CB have no issues with letting the hurling champions wait for months between the county final and Munster. I think we all know how much of a priority hurling is for the co. Board unfortunately. I was at a fundraising event a few years ago where a prominent co. Board official was joking in his speech about how little we knew about hurling in Kerry. Totally inappropriate in my opinion. |
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Post by powerhurl on Oct 29, 2024 19:01:19 GMT
Unfortunately I wouldnt expect much better from most involved with county board
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 29, 2024 20:13:42 GMT
The CB have no issues with letting the hurling champions wait for months between the county final and Munster. I think we all know how much of a priority hurling is for the co. Board unfortunately. I was at a fundraising event a few years ago where a prominent co. Board official was joking in his speech about how little we knew about hurling in Kerry. Totally inappropriate in my opinion. Oh well they're very interested in hurling when they can use it for fundraising etc But really the Intermediate final should have been played at this stage. |
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Post by mike70 on Nov 6, 2024 16:04:06 GMT
I see Liam Hassett voices his frustration with the gap between the final and the replay, 9 weeks, pretty ridiculous in fairness.
This is all a symptom of too many competitions.
Anyway, back to the game, hard to call with no form to be seen.
Maybe stacks to shade it with the more experienced side.
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 6, 2024 19:06:10 GMT
I see Liam Hassett voices his frustration with the gap between the final and the replay, 9 weeks, pretty ridiculous in fairness. This is all a symptom of too many competitions. Anyway, back to the game, hard to call with no form to be seen. Maybe stacks to shade it with the more experienced side. St. Brendans were out 4 weeks ago now, and Mid Kerry even earlier, definitely could have been played at least 2 weeks sooner. |
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Post by bishop on Nov 6, 2024 23:37:37 GMT
I see Liam Hassett voices his frustration with the gap between the final and the replay, 9 weeks, pretty ridiculous in fairness. This is all a symptom of too many competitions. Anyway, back to the game, hard to call with no form to be seen. Maybe stacks to shade it with the more experienced side. St. Brendans were out 4 weeks ago now, and Mid Kerry even earlier, definitely could have been played at least 2 weeks sooner. Were both teams caught up with divisional championships? Still a terribly long break from drawn game to replay. Will be a totally different ball game conditions wise, and lads are bound to have picked up injuries since also.....terribly hard on anyone to miss out on the replay after playing all the matches up along |
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 7, 2024 14:09:31 GMT
St. Brendans were out 4 weeks ago now, and Mid Kerry even earlier, definitely could have been played at least 2 weeks sooner. Were both teams caught up with divisional championships? Still a terribly long break from drawn game to replay. Will be a totally different ball game conditions wise, and lads are bound to have picked up injuries since also.....terribly hard on anyone to miss out on the replay after playing all the matches up along The flip side of the delay is that those with injuries have had time to rehab & recuperate- believe Stacks are injury free, full complement to pick from which would not have been the case for past few weeks. The downside of course is the lack of game’s & difficulty in getting meaningful challenge matches. |
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 7, 2024 14:10:23 GMT
Were both teams caught up with divisional championships? Still a terribly long break from drawn game to replay. Will be a totally different ball game conditions wise, and lads are bound to have picked up injuries since also.....terribly hard on anyone to miss out on the replay after playing all the matches up along The flip side of the delay is that those with injuries have had time to rehab & recuperate- believe Stacks are injury free, full complement to pick from which would not have been the case for past few weeks. The downside of course is the lack of games & the difficulty in getting meaningful challenge matches. |
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Post by john4 on Nov 9, 2024 14:45:02 GMT
A neutral here but Killorglin are being totally blackguarded by the referee, Stacks cuteness winning frees
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Post by taggert on Nov 9, 2024 15:04:21 GMT
A neutral here but Killorglin are being totally blackguarded by the referee, Stacks cuteness winning frees Those God darn townies and their cuteness!!!! |
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 9, 2024 15:48:04 GMT
A very poor game. Although it probably didn't help Laune Rangers that a lot of their players would have been playing very little football since the first game.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 9, 2024 15:56:37 GMT
Stacks the better team from start to finish. From 1 to 9, they are as good as any senior team out there. Again today they made it harder than it should have been and should have been much further ahead at half time. Best for me for stacks were Horan, Jack O Shea and Casey. Laune Rangers down a few players of course while Stacks were bringing former Kerry seniors off the bench. They will I imagine be pretty warm favourites for the all Ireland.
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Post by rangers2900 on Nov 9, 2024 16:11:53 GMT
Are Austin stacks senior next year then
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Post by mg72 on Nov 9, 2024 16:52:20 GMT
Are Austin stacks senior next year then Yes. |
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 9, 2024 17:10:17 GMT
Laune Rangers had no hope from the beginning. They scored 2-06 in 80 minutes of football in the 1st game, a score every 10 minutes. 5 scores in 60 minutes today, a score every 12 minutes. They don't have the forward line or attacking strategy to cope with clubs like Stacks. I was a neutral today supporting Rangers, but it was clear from the 1st quarter they were gonna struggle to match Stacks on the scoreboard.
Stacks should have been further than 4 points ahead at half time, some poor shooting at times cost them a 7 or 8 point lead. The 12 point deficit at the end definitely didn't flatter Stacks either.
I got the impression that Laune Rangers felt the defensive performance from the 1st game was gonna be enough to challenge Stacks again, but Stacks were always going to find their way around that strategy the 2nd day out.
In fairness, Stacks have too much quality for the Intermediate division, and rightly find themselves as a senior club for 2025. They would have a panel that should be at least a match for 4 of the current senior clubs. Laune Rangers should be back next year, they have quiet a young panel.
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Post by mainevalley on Nov 9, 2024 18:09:58 GMT
Once it went to a replay and the bigger stronger team were always going to win in more wintery conditions. Plus the fact rangers were missing a few key players only meant a stacks win. Donaghy also had a few extra weeks to get his teeth into the stacks team and a few more of there players who were originally injured were flying fit. Jack o shea for example. If rangers can get themselves together next year again they wont be far off it. But with j1s and players traveling could be tough
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 9, 2024 18:16:55 GMT
Once it went to a replay and the bigger stronger team were always going to win in more wintery conditions. Plus the fact rangers were missing a few key players only meant a stacks win. Donaghy also had a few extra weeks to get his teeth into the stacks team and a few more of there players who were originally injured were flying fit. Jack o shea for example. If rangers can get themselves together next year again they wont be far off it. But with j1s and players traveling could be tough They certainly will be competitive in next years championship, especially with no relegation from the Senior division. But there'll be stiff competition from the likes of Rahillys, Fossa, Legion & Glenflesk (who have a strong young team coming through by the way). The intermediate now will be more like an intermediate division next season with no standout favourites like Stacks were this season. |
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Post by mainevalley on Nov 9, 2024 19:15:13 GMT
The writing was on the wall for me when keel beat rangers in mid Kerry championship a few weeks ago.
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