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Post by diego on Sept 4, 2024 21:46:05 GMT
Trant looks an ideal man to have in the engine room of any team. Gets through some amount of work up and down the field. The type of player we could do with in the county set up. Regarding the game in Lerrig, I felt the let it flow/light touch regulation approach of the referee suited Ardfert more than Castle on the day.
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Post by legendz on Sept 5, 2024 6:43:15 GMT
The Intermediate final is this Sunday but the Junior Premier final will probably be after the County Championship? Would it not be better to play-off all the championships when they have momentum?
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Post by mg72 on Sept 8, 2024 13:17:53 GMT
A cracking match here in Killarney between Firies and Ballymac. 1-16 apiece at full time. Extra time now
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 8, 2024 15:00:40 GMT
Defeat for Ballymac again. On penalties of all things. They’ll be sickened.
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Post by mike70 on Sept 8, 2024 17:00:05 GMT
Big win for Ardfert, and fires March on, ballymac be well disappointed, but I thought fires had more legs down the home straight in ET.
Fair dues to all teams today, some great scoring, especially in PJ.
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Post by Control8 on Sept 8, 2024 17:55:28 GMT
Semi-finals:
Firies 1-21 Ballymacelligott 1-21 AET, Firies win 4-2 on penalties
Ardfert 1-19 St. Senan’s 2-16 AET, Ardfert win 3-0 on penalties
* Another pathetic effort on the website where the final score is listed as the score AET, a draw. The scoreboard in Fitzgerald Stadium added the penalties as each team scored, so a final result of Firies 5-21 Ballymacelligott 3-21 was shown...while technically not correct, at least one knows who won the game.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Sept 8, 2024 19:14:39 GMT
Semi-finals: Firies 1-21 Ballymacelligott 1-21 AET, Firies win 4-2 on penalties Ardfert 1-19 St. Senan’s 2-16 AET, Ardfert win 3-0 on penalties * Another pathetic effort on the website where the final score is listed as the score AET, a draw. The scoreboard in Fitzgerald Stadium added the penalties as each team scored, so a final result of Firies 5-21 Ballymacelligott 3-21 was shown...while technically not correct, at least one knows who won the game. Huge win for Ardfert and there is talk already of former Kerry un20 footballer and current Aussie Rules rookie Rob Monahan coming back for the final, he’d be a massive addition. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2024 20:10:39 GMT
Ardfert 1-13 St Senans 1-13. FT Ardfert 1-19. St. Senans 2-16. AET. Ardfert win 3-0 on penalties .
There was no evidence of global warming in Tralee today. It was as bitingly cold in the stand as I have ever experienced in January or February . We were well compensated by the on field fare but we would have been even further rewarded if the referee wasn’t so whistle happy, blowing too often for baby frees.
Ardfert played against the strong wind in the first half setting the tone with smart , enterprising football against a Senans side who seemed to be suffering from a severe bout of stage fright. Fionan Egan, son of John, was a menace in the corner , kicking a few great points. In spite of playing with the wind it looked as if Senans would be easily capsized but they created a great movement resulting in Seanie McGrath being upended. Sean O’Connell expertly converted . A lifeline. However, some time later the Senans keeper seemed to lose the ball and Jordan Brick pounced to kick it home. Ardfert led by three at the break and with the strong breeze at their back in the second half one thought about writing an obituary for Senans.
The Mountcoal lads came out a transformed side after the interval. Their lethargy and indolence was left in the dressing room and now they fought for their lifes with Cillian Trant kicking two monsters to supplement a similar effort of the first half. Of course it wasn’t that Ardfert were in submission mode. It just meant that a super charged contest had broken out . Indeed Ardfert slipped into a two point but were plugged back The play swung this way and that and eventually it finished all square.
Ardfert were two points up at the break in extra time after playing against the breeze. Obituary time again for the Halfway lads. Not yet. Playing against the breeze seemed to inspire St. Senans and they were rewarded with another penalty. A foot block somebody said. Sean O’Connell assumed responsibility again , exquisitely sending it home. He kicked sublimely all day, converting perhaps six frees and one from play. How cruel that he was to misfire later on.
So , it boiled down to penalties. Daithi Griffin, consistently good all day, took the first for Ardfert and cracked in a sizzler. Sean O’Connell advanced to take the first one for Mountcoal. After converting two during general play his third attempt was foiled by Nick O’Sullivan. Nick went on to save two further ones and break hearts from Rathea to Killflyn.
Glory for Ardfert. They probably deserved it more than their opponents. More consistent during general play . But my heart broke for St. Senans and for Sean O’Connell in particular. Life can be vicious.
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Post by breakingninja on Sept 9, 2024 9:05:47 GMT
At the ardfert v st senans game today. What a game with beautiful kickers played at a great pace. A disappointment that it had to go to penalties. Standout players from both teams that will definitely play with there districts in this county championship. Just on the referring display, Fergus clifford from listry I thought was very very poor, extremely whistle happy and wouldn’t leave the game go. I’ve seen him a few times this year in both league and challenge games and I honestly think he’s ego is getting the better of him. His first year reffering senior games and he’s involved in a huge game, it’s really disappointing from the county board. I just really thought he could have been better for both sides maybe especially senans as he gave a soft chance to ardfert to win it in normal and in end of extra time. If anyone can watch this game back on clubber please do as it was a great spectacle to watch but an even worse refereeing performance from Fergus Clifford listry. Is it any wonder there is a shortage of referee's around the county. |
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Sept 9, 2024 17:37:51 GMT
In all fairness, not to be referee bashing at all, but the referee yesterday in Tralee didn’t have a great day out and was fairly whistle happy giving some extremely soft frees which did often take from the pace of a great game. Just makes a great spectacle that little bit frustrating
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Post by mainevalley on Sept 9, 2024 18:19:29 GMT
I didn't see the game yesterday but Fergus is a fine referee anytime I've seen him and well clued into everything around the field. A North Kerry Derby like that can be hard to manage I'd guess too.
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Post by veteran on Sept 9, 2024 18:55:29 GMT
I didn't see the game yesterday but Fergus is a fine referee anytime I've seen him and well clued into everything around the field. A North Kerry Derby like that can be hard to manage I'd guess too. “Fergus is a fine referee “ . That wasn’t in evidence yesterday . Of course it may be that yesterday was an aberration on his part. “ A North Kerry derby like that can be hard to manage” It can be but that was far from the case yesterday. It was clear from the outset that both teams were intent on playing football without a hint of malice. He should have had the wit to read the situation and referee the match accordingly. Instead he decided to referee on a no contact basis or at least with as little contact as possible. In spite of his fussiness we were treated to a fine contest but it could have been so much better without his constant intervention. The teams and the spectators deserved better. |
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Post by powerhurl on Sept 9, 2024 19:43:55 GMT
Maybe more lads should take up refereeing because its one thankless job.
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Post by kingdomgreenandgold on Sept 9, 2024 20:00:00 GMT
Maybe more lads should take up refereeing because its one thankless job. It’s easy say that… but if a referee has a bad day out and in a big game under the spotlight, people have a right to criticise if the performance was below par. For what it’s worth the ref in the game before hand between tarbert and Cordal had a fine day out |
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 9, 2024 20:22:59 GMT
Can only agree with the comments on ref yesterday. Few very dubious decisions. Constantly blowing up and not playing advantage aswell. Near the end of extra time Ardfert had 2 men straight through on goal and he blew for a free 40 yards further back. Inexcusable stuff!
Common sense refereeing isn’t all that common at the moment it seems with the majority. I blame the GAA as a whole, because all of us tolerate the abuse of referees and Croke park most of all. Even referees being assaulted doesn’t seem to get punished accordingly. I also blame the county board in Kerry because the recruitment of referees is shocking. It’s the same old faces largely.
Moving outside the refereeing I thought Ardfert were the better team and the game was largely played on their terms. They deserve a lot of credit given the players they’ve lost in the last year or so. Firies might be favourites for the final now which will suit Ardfert fine.
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Post by allrounder on Sept 9, 2024 20:59:29 GMT
I didn't see the game yesterday but Fergus is a fine referee anytime I've seen him and well clued into everything around the field. A North Kerry Derby like that can be hard to manage I'd guess too. “Fergus is a fine referee “ . That wasn’t in evidence yesterday . Of course it may be that yesterday was an aberration on his part. “ A North Kerry derby like that can be hard to manage” It can be but that was far from the case yesterday. It was clear from the outset that both teams were intent on playing football without a hint of malice. He should have had the wit to read the situation and referee the match accordingly. Instead he decided to referee on a no contact basis or at least with as little contact as possible. In spite of his fussiness we were treated to a fine contest but it could have been so much better without his constant intervention. The teams and the spectators deserved better. A tough battle that the ref was always in control of. Last week a referee was criticized for letting too much go in the Ardfert Castlegregory game. No win situation for the man in the middle. Also why do you feel it's ok to call out the referee for having a poor game in your opinion, why didn't you call out any players for playing poorly??? One in particular cost your Senans boys, and not for the first time! |
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Post by veteran on Sept 9, 2024 22:05:37 GMT
“Fergus is a fine referee “ . That wasn’t in evidence yesterday . Of course it may be that yesterday was an aberration on his part. “ A North Kerry derby like that can be hard to manage” It can be but that was far from the case yesterday. It was clear from the outset that both teams were intent on playing football without a hint of malice. He should have had the wit to read the situation and referee the match accordingly. Instead he decided to referee on a no contact basis or at least with as little contact as possible. In spite of his fussiness we were treated to a fine contest but it could have been so much better without his constant intervention. The teams and the spectators deserved better. A tough battle that the ref was always in control of. Last week a referee was criticized for letting too much go in the Ardfert Castlegregory game. No win situation for the man in the middle. Also why do you feel it's ok to call out the referee for having a poor game in your opinion, why didn't you call out any players for playing poorly??? One in particular cost your Senans boys, and not for the first time! It is very easy to be “ in control “ of a match if you use the whistle as if you were performing at a fleadh ceol. There is a huge difference between being critical of a referee and being critical of players. The difference is this. Everybody attending the match yesterday wanted the referee to perform at his optimal level. That is self evident because everybody , players and spectators alike , benefits from that scenario. Nobody sets out “ to mark him out of the game “ . Alas . that is not the case for the players. Every player has an opponent whose job it is to make him “ play poorly” . Therein lies the difference in the critique of the referee and the players. The reference “ your Senans boys” implies partiality in my report. Well, I suppose that is for others to decide. As regards the Ardfert /Castlegregory match , you need to to direct your opprobrium at the person/people who were critical of the referee in that match. P.S. I presume you were at the Ardfert/Senans match. If that is the case , perhaps you would throw up your own review of the game, players and referee alike. In that way we could learn from each other, strengths and weaknesses and prejudices, It would surely lead to more balanced reportage, a goal towards which we should all strive. |
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Post by allrounder on Sept 9, 2024 22:44:51 GMT
A tough battle that the ref was always in control of. Last week a referee was criticized for letting too much go in the Ardfert Castlegregory game. No win situation for the man in the middle. Also why do you feel it's ok to call out the referee for having a poor game in your opinion, why didn't you call out any players for playing poorly??? One in particular cost your Senans boys, and not for the first time! It is very easy to be “ in control “ of a match if you use the whistle as if you were performing at a fleadh ceol. There is a huge difference between being critical of a referee and being critical of players. The difference is this. Everybody attending the match yesterday wanted the referee to perform at his optimal level. That is self evident because everybody , players and spectators alike , benefits from that scenario. Nobody sets out “ to mark him out of the game “ . Alas . that is not the case for the players. Every player has an opponent whose job it is to make him “ play poorly” . Therein lies the difference in the critique of the referee and the players. The reference “ your Senans boys” implies partiality in my report. Well, I suppose that is for others to decide. As regards the Ardfert /Castlegregory match , you need to to direct your opprobrium at the person/people who were critical of the referee in that match. P.S. I presume you were at the Ardfert/Senans match. If that is the case , perhaps you would throw up your own review of the game, players and referee alike. In that way we could learn from each other, strengths and weaknesses and prejudices, It would surely lead to more balanced reportage, a goal towards which we should all strive. You can't mark a goalkeeper out of the game either but I'm pretty sure you want him to perform at his optimal level. |
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Post by mosalah on Sept 10, 2024 8:02:04 GMT
I see open season has started on the referees (I suppose it makes a change from Jack) and when one person puts up a comment the snowball effect happens. Faceless keyboard warriors who probably never kicked a ball in their life coming on here with their bullyboy tactics cutting the backs off people on a platform where if someone replies the usual suspects will attack in mass.
The referee for Ardfert v Senan's had a good game. He is there to administer the rules not appease the crowd and certainly not some self proclaimed journalist. A free is a free regardless of your opinion. Blame the players who cant tackle. Blame the coaches who don't know the rules. Blame the supporters with their rose tinted glasses who roar any time one of their players are touched but roar play on when their player fouls. The easy option is to blame the only person qualified to administer the rules. Did he get every decision right? No, but he got the major one's and he had no bearing on the result.
Amazing how many people come on here and have a cut at officials without actually knowing the rules. I mean I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't dream of telling a doctor how to do his job. I'm not a referee in this code so I wouldn't dream of telling a GAA referee how to referee. I know how hard a job it is.
Wait for it now the mob will be on Horsebox with his horsesh*t, Ballythefireside who'd have to put his club into Google maps to find their pitch and the almighty veteran who has cured my insomnia with his bland, monotonous, boring reports on matches and the many more. One wonders does veteran actually go to the matches at all.
Leave the referees alone, they have a hard enough job without the clowns in this circus making it worse for them.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 10, 2024 9:14:08 GMT
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 10, 2024 10:30:28 GMT
I see open season has started on the referees (I suppose it makes a change from Jack) and when one person puts up a comment the snowball effect happens. Faceless keyboard warriors who probably never kicked a ball in their life coming on here with their bullyboy tactics cutting the backs off people on a platform where if someone replies the usual suspects will attack in mass. The referee for Ardfert v Senan's had a good game. He is there to administer the rules not appease the crowd and certainly not some self proclaimed journalist. A free is a free regardless of your opinion. Blame the players who cant tackle. Blame the coaches who don't know the rules. Blame the supporters with their rose tinted glasses who roar any time one of their players are touched but roar play on when their player fouls. The easy option is to blame the only person qualified to administer the rules. Did he get every decision right? No, but he got the major one's and he had no bearing on the result. Amazing how many people come on here and have a cut at officials without actually knowing the rules. I mean I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't dream of telling a doctor how to do his job. I'm not a referee in this code so I wouldn't dream of telling a GAA referee how to referee. I know how hard a job it is. Wait for it now the mob will be on Horsebox with his horsesh*t, Ballythefireside who'd have to put his club into Google maps to find their pitch and the almighty veteran who has cured my insomnia with his bland, monotonous, boring reports on matches and the many more. One wonders does veteran actually go to the matches at all. Leave the referees alone, they have a hard enough job without the clowns in this circus making it worse for them. On the one hand you want us to “leave refs alone” and on the other hand you hurl insults at a genuine contributor to the forum like Veteran. Fairly hypocritical not to mention illogical. “Does Veteran go to matches at all”..what a ridiculous statement to make. If you think Veteran isn’t worth reading I’d have to question your sanity or interest in football? You’re clearly connected to the referee in question somehow - let’s be clear. No he did not have a good game. That’s my opinion but also the opinion of anyone I’ve spoken to who was at or viewed the game. Did he cost someone the game? No the better team won but on penalties. If Ardfert had lost on penalties after some of the decisions that went against them - the non advantage when 2 men were through on goals to give but one example- it would have been a complete injustice. And I wanted Senans to win as I’m friendly with quite a few people involved. You say Referees have a hard job. I agree with this. But if you’re refereeing a big championship game you have to be prepared to have your performance evaluated. Has to be done fairly and impartially. We’ve a huge issue with abuse of refs in the GAA as we all know. I mentioned above that the county board need a serious recruitment and training drive on referees. This is badly needed to recruit new younger refs as there are too many refs who have been on the go a long time that are struggling to keep up with the game. |
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Post by allrounder on Sept 10, 2024 12:25:00 GMT
I see open season has started on the referees (I suppose it makes a change from Jack) and when one person puts up a comment the snowball effect happens. Faceless keyboard warriors who probably never kicked a ball in their life coming on here with their bullyboy tactics cutting the backs off people on a platform where if someone replies the usual suspects will attack in mass. The referee for Ardfert v Senan's had a good game. He is there to administer the rules not appease the crowd and certainly not some self proclaimed journalist. A free is a free regardless of your opinion. Blame the players who cant tackle. Blame the coaches who don't know the rules. Blame the supporters with their rose tinted glasses who roar any time one of their players are touched but roar play on when their player fouls. The easy option is to blame the only person qualified to administer the rules. Did he get every decision right? No, but he got the major one's and he had no bearing on the result. Amazing how many people come on here and have a cut at officials without actually knowing the rules. I mean I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't dream of telling a doctor how to do his job. I'm not a referee in this code so I wouldn't dream of telling a GAA referee how to referee. I know how hard a job it is. Wait for it now the mob will be on Horsebox with his horsesh*t, Ballythefireside who'd have to put his club into Google maps to find their pitch and the almighty veteran who has cured my insomnia with his bland, monotonous, boring reports on matches and the many more. One wonders does veteran actually go to the matches at all. Leave the referees alone, they have a hard enough job without the clowns in this circus making it worse for them. Two rules for you to survive on here, don't stand up for referee's (Satans offsprings) and don't criticize Veteran (God). |
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Post by veteran on Sept 10, 2024 13:12:24 GMT
allrounder, I was wondering which Senans player you were referring to when you said he cost his team dearly and not for the first time. So, it was their goalie.
I am trying to think back over the game. Senans conceded one goal from open play. My comment on that goal was it appeared their goalie lost control of the ball. Now that observation was made from a distance . Accordingly I cannot be sure if my assessment was correct. Perhaps , people who saw it on Clubber could clarify the situation. In any case , in my report, I referred to the incident. What more should I have done? Call for a public flogging? I can’t recall him making any major mistakes for the remainder of the match. Feel free to help me. He failed to save any of the superbly struck Ardfert penalties . I suppose the age old argument is whether goalies are expected to save penalties. I have rarely heard them being criticized for failing to do so.
You further state that it is not the first time this goalie has cost him team. I am not in a position to agree or disagree because I do not see Senans playing that often. The last time I saw them play , aside from Sunday’s game , was last year’s North Kerry final. Off the top of my head I cannot recall if he made any significant blunder that day. If he did , I imagine I would have referred to it in my comments on that match.
All in all , in spite of your criticism, I do not feel this goalie was poor last Sunday and therefore not worthy of any particular criticism from me. I did refer to the circumstances of the goal which, if my interpretation was correct , constituted a blunder on his part but he is in good company. Remember the hapless Shane Ryan against Armagh!
In a further post I note you refer to me as God. A greater gift no man has bestowed on a fellow man. Forever grateful.
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Post by Control8 on Sept 10, 2024 22:25:35 GMT
Junior Premier Final details:
Ardfert v Firies
Extra Time and Winner on the Day
1...if East Kerry and/or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Sunday 20 October in Austin Stack Park at 2pm;
2...if neither East Kerry or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Saturday 26 October with time and venue to be determined.
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Post by kingdomofciar on Sept 11, 2024 15:48:02 GMT
In last years North Kerry Championship Final, Ballydonoghue scored a goal from maybe 60 yards(with the wind) without it touching any other player.
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 12, 2024 9:44:14 GMT
In last years North Kerry Championship Final, Ballydonoghue scored a goal from maybe 60 yards(with the wind) without it touching any other player. That’s true to be fair. Although the hurricane that was blowing that day was crazy. Game could have been postponed really. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 12, 2024 9:50:43 GMT
Junior Premier Final details: Ardfert v Firies Extra Time and Winner on the Day 1...if East Kerry and/or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Sunday 20 October in Austin Stack Park at 2pm; 2...if neither East Kerry or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Saturday 26 October with time and venue to be determined. Should it not be the other way around.. why would they wait an extra week if the divisional teams aren’t involved in the final? |
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Post by mg72 on Sept 12, 2024 13:43:42 GMT
Junior Premier Final details: Ardfert v Firies Extra Time and Winner on the Day 1...if East Kerry and/or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Sunday 20 October in Austin Stack Park at 2pm; 2...if neither East Kerry or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Saturday 26 October with time and venue to be determined. Should it not be the other way around.. why would they wait an extra week if the divisional teams aren’t involved in the final? I was thinking the same thing |
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Post by Control8 on Sept 12, 2024 20:16:25 GMT
Junior Premier Final details: Ardfert v Firies Extra Time and Winner on the Day 1...if East Kerry and/or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Sunday 20 October in Austin Stack Park at 2pm; 2...if neither East Kerry or St. Brendan's reach Senior County Championship Final, the Junior Premier Final will be on Saturday 26 October with time and venue to be determined. Should it not be the other way around.. why would they wait an extra week if the divisional teams aren’t involved in the final?
You (and mg72) may well be correct...I've not seen anything "official" yet.
Would need confirmation of the Senior County Championship dates for quarterfinals, semifinal and finals to see what's available. My understanding is no games on 6 Oct (gap weekend ofter Rd 3), qf's on 13 Oct weekend, semis on 20 Oct, and final on 3 Nov. - maybe option 1 above should have been "reach the semifinal". My gut feeling is the Ardfert/Firies game will be on 26 October no matter who is in the Senior Final.
One thing to remember, if both East Kerry and St. Brendan's win their opening two games, they will have an open weekend while Rd 3 is being played...29 Sept if my dates are correct, plus the open weekend the following week 6 Oct. In that scenario (which is probably very likely), the Ardfert/Firies game should be on 5/6 October.
I believe the first round of the Munster Junior Club has the Kerry reps playing Waterford reps on 9 Nov, and that is pretty much cast in stone.
If anyone has a better grasp on things, feel free to correct me.
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Post by goforit2 on Oct 22, 2024 20:31:32 GMT
Ardfert vs Firies on Saturday. Firies at 11/4 in Tyther Bookmakers is great odds.
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