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Post by kerryblueboy on Jan 27, 2024 18:19:01 GMT
Need a big second half here only seanie Dylan geaney and Burke of the forwards playing well strange decision to take off o Brien
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Post by topofthehill on Jan 27, 2024 18:22:06 GMT
Need a big second half here only seanie Dylan geaney and Burke of the forwards playing well strange decision to take off o Brien Disappointed with management Sean o Brien did nothing wrong. A lot of Derry backs running from deep. Micheal burns and Moynihan poor in first half and D Casey too lose as a corner back
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 27, 2024 18:24:50 GMT
Half time, Kerry are awful. They are like a bunch of players that never played together before. Problems with the short kick out but but when forced to kick long, picking up the breaks at midfield is equally bad and adding to the problem.
Playing at home with the wind is surely worth 4 points.
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Post by exiled on Jan 27, 2024 19:17:56 GMT
To be honest the turning point was Stephen OBrien not taking his goal chance. Otherwise a typical game against Mickey Harte. Derry have gone more defensive since last year. But their off the shoulder running was far better than us. Considering who's missing still not bad.
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Post by taggert on Jan 27, 2024 19:36:25 GMT
Better team won as Kerry only played in bursts. Stephen O'Brien butchered two late chances with poor decision making while Shane Ryan had a rush of blood with a very low percentage effort when the only bet was to keep ball, work the chance and kill the clock. It was a double whammy that gave the impetus to Derry. And they grasped it and the points.
A few struggled, some new players and some not so new. Wben Kerry were passive, like we were for a majority of the semi final against the same opponents, we looked pedestrian, one paced and devoid of intensity. When we chased them, we got the crowd going and forced them into several mistakes.
Derry got a lot of scores through hard and direct running at our defence - for me, we enabled this by not funnelling enough bodies back quick enough. Not sure if this was tactical or physical (fitness). We certainly never had the same luxury in our attacks. People may not like the massed defence but it does limit opponents as our points tally speaks to.
Anyway, plenty to ponder as the casual early season McGrath cup outings become a distant memory.
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Post by Premier on Jan 27, 2024 19:38:02 GMT
Shane Ryan- Struggled to get short kick outs away but that was more of an out the field issue. Insane kick at the end. Never the right option with that time on the clock Graham- Best game for Kerry. Won great ball and set up countless scores/attacks Foley- Didn’t concede a direct point from play off McGuigan but still found him difficult to handle Casey- Did well for the goal. Still questions defensively. McGuigan got a point off him in first half very easy and poor body position to give away the free at the end. Begley- I thought he was doing well. Confused by his substitution. Tom- Gave a couple of great passes 2nd half during the comeback. A bit loose for a 6 White- Drove well at times but didn’t effect the game hugely O’Connor- Battled well but Kerry’s struggles at winning own kick outs will fall on the midfielders shoulders O’Brien- Game just seemed to pass him by. Tough to get taken off before half time. He’ll get plenty more chances Moynihan- mixed the good with the bad. Good point but some bad mistakes at important times Geaney- Did ok but was probably the next man off of Kerry had another sub Burke- Tackled well and had a lovely cut in the first half but should have backed himself Killian- Worryingly non-existent again. His inconsistency continues to frustrate SOS- Kerry’s best player along with Graham. Won some great hard ball and lead the charge in general Burns- Couple of very bad mistakes before half time meant his time was always numbered
Barry Dan- Settled the ship a bit around the middle. Will be disappointed with the missed mark Murphy- Did okay Geaney- Showed good pace to burn his man then kick it wide. Good finish for the goal SOB- Couple of very bad mistakes around the goal chances. Looked very rusty DOC- Huge impact when he came on. Kick passing was a great asset.
Feel like Jack will be happy in general. Learned a nice bit and got game time into the lads he needed
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Post by thepope on Jan 27, 2024 19:53:56 GMT
Derry far sharper than we were and would have been robbed if they hadn't won it. The McGrath Cup is no help for preseason and Derry were faster in everything they did from transition to decision making.
We all know our failings as a team and we've until June to find answers. 3 forwards short and midfield going to be an issue after Jack Barry dropped out for the year.
If we go with Seanie at 14 and let Clifford roam from the corner we'll need fast half forwards who can track runners but also threaten to score. No immediate sign of those players yet so the clock is ticking.
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Post by southward on Jan 27, 2024 21:04:29 GMT
None of the 3 Glen boys were even listed in the subs. Very disrespectful carry on by Harte but expect no better.
That said. Derry were fitter and faster and just about deserved it. Poor display by Kerry and yet could have snatched it. DOC's introduction turned it around big time. Himself and Graham the standout Kerry players for me.
McQuillan was as you'd expect. Actually blew for fulltime as Seanie was pulling the trigger - who does that? Just as well it didn't go over. Also bottled a second black for Derry after they losing possession with the keeper in no man's land again.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jan 27, 2024 21:19:01 GMT
Jesus football has gotten very hard to watch that first half was septic to watch everyone running backwards first instinct of players when they get a free is looking back blanket defences and very little skill second half was slightly better excitement wise but still low on quality we are a very ordinary team without the 2 Clifford’s
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 27, 2024 23:31:24 GMT
None of the 3 Glen boys were even listed in the subs. Very disrespectful carry on by Harte but expect no better. That said. Derry were fitter and faster and just about deserved it. Poor display by Kerry and yet could have snatched it. DOC's introduction turned it around big time. Himself and Graham the standout Kerry players for me. McQuillan was as you'd expect. Actually blew for fulltime as Seanie was pulling the trigger - who does that? Just as well it didn't go over. Also bottled a second black for Derry after they losing possession with the keeper in no man's land again. I decided to buy a program to know the Derry players. I have never ever seen such a dummy team. New players coming in and loads of lads wearing different numbers. A complete joke and waste of paper. It took the announcer about 5 minutes to list all the changes. What's the point. First half was depressing. Second half a bit better.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jan 27, 2024 23:41:40 GMT
Great fight shown in the second half after an awful first half performance. Should have won it really with the goal chances we had, pity it would have been a huge win considering Derry had their full team out. First half we were beaten tactically hands down but Derry looked fitter as well. Diarmuid made a big difference when he came on. I’m a big Graham O’Sullivan fan he was very good. Dylan Geaney had a decent game, best of the newcomers. Moynihan improved from previous displays both in the McGrath Cup and last year’s championship.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 28, 2024 7:25:19 GMT
I think it went as expected last night, although we could have stole it, I think Derry were more direct when required. Yes we got the goals, but 10 scores to 15 tells its own story. No one needs to be blamed tonight, but before the game we knew that Derry defenders counter could hurt us and it did tonight. I think we also struggled to manage the middle, they controlled that zone, a MF job is to fetch high ball, and last nights press by Derry showed our vulnerability , why not spread our MF give the keeper options on both wings and down the middle, poorly managed in this sector and missing a Moran type, kick me the ball I will catch it. Our defence hurt by the Derry backs, our forwards struggled for long periods, a 10 minute purple patch not good enough.
We did get some advantage when we pressed, can’t understand why we don’t do more of it. On to next game, Monaghan looked busy last night, will we see the Clifford brothers back a week early, definitely expect changes
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Post by orangerhyme on Jan 28, 2024 7:53:30 GMT
I decided to buy a program to know the Derry players. I have never ever seen such a dummy team. New players coming in and loads of lads wearing different numbers. A complete joke and waste of paper. It took the announcer about 5 minutes to list all the changes. What's the point. First half was depressing. Second half a bit better. Something should b done.I was thinking of writing to Croke park a few years ago demanding money back for programmes especially when Jim Gavin was managing Dublin.Dummy teams are fooling no one only the supporters who are being cheated.Its pure disrespectful to supporters.Someone suggested a few years ago if changes are made from the programme it should count asva substitution. It's impossible to enforce cos you can just say a players injured. Pulled a hamstring in the warmup. Dummy teams are part and parcel of the game so just accept it. Alternatively it should be like soccer where the team is named an hour before. I don't mind either way but I do like the team named the Friday before as it's something to chat about and builds anticipation.
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Post by topofthehill on Jan 28, 2024 8:43:57 GMT
On way to counter act this is a squad list from 1-30 24 hours before game that can’t be changed .if someone has to pull so be it . Would sort Derry and to a lesser Dublin
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Post by southward on Jan 28, 2024 9:05:51 GMT
On way to counter act this is a squad list from 1-30 24 hours before game that can’t be changed .if someone has to pull so be it . Would sort Derry and to a lesser Dublin That makes sense. Meanwhile, that's the last time I'm forking out for a programme. Really not bothered about what so-and-so's favourite film is, just want to know who's who. Pure waste of money.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jan 28, 2024 9:23:53 GMT
The most petty change by Harte was having the wing backs swap numbers why not leave them be makes no difference must have been a nightmare for the commentators
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Post by pintpleasejohn on Jan 28, 2024 10:11:22 GMT
I stopped buying programmes the last 2 years for this very reason and started using the Score Beo app. I would highly recommend others do the same. It’s very well done, completely free and they are always on the ball re any changes made close to throw in - a great service
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Post by mike70 on Jan 28, 2024 10:13:36 GMT
Lads let’s not worry about M Harte and Derry coming to town to win, pulling 3 Glen boys out of the pub Monday to get back training for the journey to Kerry.
Like to understand what we need to change ahead of Monaghan game.
Midfield ?? Forward line??
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 28, 2024 10:34:58 GMT
Disappointing result but we can have no complaints.
What did we learn,
Well bar Dylan Geaney none of the new boys really stood out.
Micheal Burns not a starter.
Not a great night for our FF line or midfield.
Butchered 3 goal chances.
And finally never trust a weather forecast.
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Post by egbabroad on Jan 28, 2024 10:45:07 GMT
Disappointing result but we can have no complaints. What did we learn, Well bar Dylan Geaney none of the new boys really stood out. Micheal Burns not a starter. Not a great night for our FF line or midfield. Butchered 3 goal chances. And finally never trust a weather forecast.
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Post by egbabroad on Jan 28, 2024 10:45:18 GMT
Disappointing result but we can have no complaints. What did we learn, Well bar Dylan Geaney none of the new boys really stood out. Micheal Burns not a starter. Not a great night for our FF line or midfield. Butchered 3 goal chances. And finally never trust a weather forecast.
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Post by egbabroad on Jan 28, 2024 10:47:27 GMT
Middle third is an issue, D O’Connor made a difference 2nd half but eho is his midfield partner? Big issue on transition, same as against Cork, too dlow, we allow opponent to get back into their shape and struggle to take scores from distance
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Post by mike70 on Jan 28, 2024 10:54:38 GMT
Middle third is an issue, D O’Connor made a difference 2nd half but eho is his midfield partner? Big issue on transition, same as against Cork, too dlow, we allow opponent to get back into their shape and struggle to take scores from distance I think DOC can solve our MF challenge, but once up and running, he needs to bring consistency to his game. I heard some on here mentioning MF has changed, it has not, maybe not old MF for 70 minutes, but last night when the press was on MF was needed and found wanting, we need some one to rise above others and bring the ball down, we need them options across the field.
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Post by john4 on Jan 28, 2024 11:41:19 GMT
I know Sean O'Brien didn't have a great game, but to take the guy off a few minutes before halftime was lousy. Jack's been at this game a long time and far be it for me to say how to manage a young fella making his intercounty NFL debut but that looked brutal and seriously risks damaging the guy's confidence.
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Post by southward on Jan 28, 2024 11:50:57 GMT
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Post by mike70 on Jan 28, 2024 11:52:46 GMT
Look I for one believe in giving fellas chances, I mentioned earlier no one to be blamed for last night loss, but we must learn, we knew what was coming last night, we did not cope for long periods, the learning required are both on and off the field.
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Post by kerry4sam88 on Jan 28, 2024 12:04:44 GMT
Having watched the game back again after the first trip to ASP for 2024 when we pushed up we looked far better. Cannot understand why we don't do this more often. You cannot sit back against teams like Derry they will overpower you with the support play from their back line we could not get a hold of that especially first half.
Last 20 minutes obviously was Kerry's best passage of play possible linked to the substitutions of Conor, Stephen and Diarmuid. Conor in particular looked lively when introduced and must be in contention for a starting berth next weekend instead of Burns or Moynihan. I don't think you can start both together it hasn't worked upto now so I can't see it changing you need an out an out scoring threath inside and having either Dara or Micheal who neither are renowned for their scoring exploits you are hampering your chances of changing that scoreboard.
We should have put more pressure on Lynch last night for me he is nowhere near good on the ball when taking a tour of ASP as an Ethan Rafferty or our very own custodian Shane. When put under pressure he seems to panick and this was evident all the way back when Damian Comer scored his goal above in Croker 2 years ago.
Graham was probably our best player last night covering acres of ground, winning marks, setting up goal chances. Again midfield is a big issue particularly under the breaking ball we really are struggling in that aspect. Unfortunately it wasn't a great night for the younger brigade looking to make a name for themselves but I'm sure they'll get their chance again too early to make judgements yet on the first competitive game back.
After a very passive and lethargic first half we improved in the second half showed a bit of fight and determination to get something out of it and possibly could have won the match if the bit of luck had gone our way but over the course of the game Derry had the better balanced cohesive team and probably deserved to take the 2 points.
On reflection when you add in the fact to lose by the minimum after not playing well to a good and close to a full strength Derry team with the lads we've absent it's something to be positive about.
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Post by Premier on Jan 28, 2024 14:27:50 GMT
Something should b done.I was thinking of writing to Croke park a few years ago demanding money back for programmes especially when Jim Gavin was managing Dublin.Dummy teams are fooling no one only the supporters who are being cheated.Its pure disrespectful to supporters.Someone suggested a few years ago if changes are made from the programme it should count asva substitution. It's impossible to enforce cos you can just say a players injured. Pulled a hamstring in the warmup. Dummy teams are part and parcel of the game so just accept it. Alternatively it should be like soccer where the team is named an hour before. I don't mind either way but I do like the team named the Friday before as it's something to chat about and builds anticipation. I don’t get the idea that fans have to ‘accept it’. Rugby teams announce their teams 2/3 days beforehand and there’s never really any changes. All this is, is inter county managers thinking they’re smarter than they are by doing all this nonsense.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 28, 2024 14:39:18 GMT
I can see that most here are taking positives from the game and for the most part I agree, but there is another side to it. Jack wants to (1) try new players and (2) stay in Div 1. New players can make mistakes especially away from home and we must win 3 or 4 games so winning home games is almost essential. We should have won that game. Why didn’t Diarmuid start and then give Sean O’Brien 25 minutes when we had a grip on things? That would have benefitted everyone. There were other similar options as well. However, a bit like news reports on the economy, we did drop points but the underlying trend is positive. There seems to be more emphasis on attacking and free flowing football. Great to see No 2 set up No 4 in the in the opposition’s small square for a goal. At one stage in the second-half they looked as if they had gone feral and were ready to eat Derry alive but memories of previous lives came back to curb the appetite. All players are different. Sean O’Brien looks as if he will improve slowly and steadily. A full season “inside” and he cold be pressing for a place a place in July. A couple of more good games and Dylan Geaney will be there to stay. It took a steady nerve to score that goal. They need to work on picking up the breaks. It is part of the kick out strategy.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 28, 2024 14:57:35 GMT
We should not be losing at home regardless of the circumstances. If memory serves its 2019 against Mayo the last time the Kerry colours were lowered in Tralee.
I made for the Slieve Mish instead of the Sportsfield but after a pint I didn't feel quiet as annoyed as I was exiting Austin Stacks. This was a locked and loaded Derry side, pretty much the team you'd expect them to produce in an AI semi-final or final. The fact the Glen boys were gang pressed onto the bus for Kerry tells you Mickey wanted a win here at all costs. He got one against an experimental Kerry side - but only just. I was despondent at half time but the wind was fierce and Kerry finally woke up soon after the interval. We could have, nay should have, won but butchered so many easy chances and Ryan's decision making at the death was idiotic. Himself and Stephen should be having a serious conversation with themselves this morning.
As for Dublin Joe! I'm not usually a man to have a go at referees at a game but how this individual is still allowed officiate Kerry games is beyond a joke. I have absolutely no time for him and true to form he rode us off into the sunset! Bad cess to him.
Derry were dirty, Seanie got no protection and Derry should have lost at least 1-2 more bodies given the 'tackles' they were putting it. How Lynch's time wasting was indulged was also disgraceful.
While I'm on the war path a few posters would need to catch themselves on to use our Northern brethren's turn of phrase. Kerry are 'ordinary' without the Cliffords? Your talking about a team that was he 2022 AI champs and a kick of the ball from back to back winners. There's nothing 'ordinary' about Seanie or Ryan, Morely, Tom Sull, Jason Foley Gavin White - need I go on.
Great win for the Farney last night, a result Kerry and Derry fans celebrated together in the pub after. Some things never change, outside the M50 is a cold country for the Dubs - as it should always be!
Big test now to go up to the stoney grey soil and get a result. I'm confident we can - if we don't the panic stations will be set. Until then keep the faith.
An Riocht Abu!
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