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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on May 19, 2024 22:16:12 GMT
Just like the seniors we don't seem to deal well when teams run at us. Time and time again Tyrone just ran straight at Kerry. There were some quite impressive individual skills from Kerry and we shouldn't forget most of the Kerry team have another year at this grade ahead of them. The physical difference, the huge difference in strength and conditioning told. Still. I find it very, very disappointing to lose yet another final. Kerry were bossed around at midfield, the backs did not manage to stop the Tyrone forwards running straight through them. Perhaps we need a bit more bite. We don't need to become dirty, but I feel Kerry teams are currently too nice and not cute enough. Hopefully this team can get the title next year I would have no complaints- Tyrone had a combination of 2 Hogan Cup winning teams; Donnelly who was MOTM in this years final could not make that Tyrone squad - seriously talented outfit. I'm not disputing that. This is Tyrone's second in three years, after two Hogan Cups for Omagh CBS in a row. Last time Kerry had such a dominance in the Hogan Cup we got a five in a row in minor titles. This is indeed a very exceptional Tyrone team, but they were also bigger, stronger, older and we still should have done a bit better. McElholm is a serious player and Kerry couldn't stop him. Likewise Ruairi McCullagh, Ronan Cassidy and Joey Clarke. They just did as they pleased and couldn't be stopped.
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 19, 2024 22:59:19 GMT
Not going to hide the disappointment We were crushed out there today I’m hearing we had a young team Why not select an older stronger team Lads who are turning 20 this year Yes physicality counts 2. McElholm number 11 had a fabulous afternoon looked to me like he was one on one all afternoon Not sure how many he scored but he put on an exhibition 3 I didn’t see all the game but I didn’t see us win many of our own kickouts
Kudos to our team and management for getting us to the final serious achievement in itself But Tyrone is our benchmark and we keep coming up short I’m happy for Tyrone they have a super team But can’t help thinking we can do better much better .
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Post by onlykerry on May 19, 2024 23:06:45 GMT
Even though they came up short in the final it was a good campaign with a few prospects for the senior ranks which is a strong positive.
On the game itself the kick outs was an obvious problem - I also believe just as with the colleges game the Tyrone effort seemed to have greater intensity with lads showing more hunger to win and get on the ball. Kerry were patchy in this regard with several instances of hesitation costing the team.
Several posters are suggesting we will have several of these players available again next year - of the starting 15 how many are eligible in 2025?
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Post by colinsworth1 on May 19, 2024 23:10:00 GMT
Not going to hide the disappointment We were crushed out there today I’m hearing we had a young team Why not select an older stronger team Lads who are turning 20 this year Yes physicality counts 2. McElholm number 11 had a fabulous afternoon looked to me like he was one on one all afternoon Not sure how many he scored but he put on an exhibition 3 I didn’t see all the game but I didn’t see us win many of our own kickouts
Kudos to our team and management for getting us to the final serious achievement in itself But Tyrone is our benchmark and we keep coming up short I’m happy for Tyrone they have a super team But can’t help thinking we can do better much better .
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Post by homerj on May 20, 2024 9:08:02 GMT
Not going to hide the disappointment We were crushed out there today I’m hearing we had a young team Why not select an older stronger team Lads who are turning 20 this year Yes physicality counts 2. McElholm number 11 had a fabulous afternoon looked to me like he was one on one all afternoon Not sure how many he scored but he put on an exhibition 3 I didn’t see all the game but I didn’t see us win many of our own kickouts Kudos to our team and management for getting us to the final serious achievement in itself But Tyrone is our benchmark and we keep coming up short I’m happy for Tyrone they have a super team But can’t help thinking we can do better much better . weve been crying out for development at 17-20 for the last decade, why does 1 result matter above that? we had i believe 13 lads of the 24 yesterday underage next year (7 available for 2 more years) and surely of the remaining 10-12 panel players, theres another 6 of them underage....thats serious buidling with 5 or 6 of this years minors to come into the fold next year. be patient with this group, theres no need to be questioning selections and this is a 3, even 4 year cycle now with the aim purely to get 7 or 8 lads into the senior panel. winning an AI is a bonus. also need to factor in 3 key players were unavailable - one serioulsy injured, 1 in Australia and 1 opted out, who hopefully will play next year.
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Post by limehill on May 20, 2024 10:41:17 GMT
That Tyrone team is also fairly young - 8 of the starting team are eligible next year and 3 of the subs who came on. The MOTM being one of them. But I think the really strong team next year will be Derry with a couple of minor All Irelands behind them
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Post by anriochtabu23 on May 20, 2024 10:56:29 GMT
Apart from Rob Monahan who are the other 2 who are unavailable?
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 20, 2024 13:42:12 GMT
Apart from Rob Monahan who are the other 2 who are unavailable? Jack Clifford opted out and I presume the injured player being referred to is Dylan Roche.
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Post by jackiel on May 20, 2024 14:44:31 GMT
Having watched both semi finals I feared for Kerry against Tyrone. I was on the road while the game was on so keeping an eye on Twitter for updates. Hard luck to all involved.
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Post by shea5 on May 20, 2024 15:59:59 GMT
Eoghan hasset also missed out through injury Kicked 1-9 v cork at the minor grade
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Post by crokes86 on May 20, 2024 16:39:44 GMT
Mike Tansley and James Hoare both goalies are under in 2025 .
Maidhci Lynch Gearoid Evans Darragh O’Connor Liam Evans Fionn Murphy are under in ‘25 Players like Keelan O’Shea Padraig Moynihan Ben Murphy Colm Browne Jake Foley should step up .
Eddie Healy and Dan Kirby are under in ‘25 Jack Clifford Jack O’Sullivan should be there
Cormac Dillon Paddy Lane Ian O’Sullivan Odhran Ferris Evan Boyle Tomás Kennedy under in ‘25 . Players like Dara Hogan Oisin Healy Alex Hennigan Emmet Daly Niall Collins will be pushing for spots .
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Post by exiled on May 20, 2024 20:23:37 GMT
Sometimes you just have to admit that you're beaten by a better team. Tyrone just too powerful for us. There is no disgrace in losing to them yesterday. Sometimes we in Kerry find it difficult to admit we were second best. Yesterday we were.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2024 20:44:23 GMT
To be honest, I was more impressed with this side in defeat than some of the time watching an U-20 side win. They gave it everything and no terrible looping handpasses.
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Post by greengold35 on May 20, 2024 21:54:57 GMT
Mike Tansley and James Hoare both goalies are under in 2025 . Maidhci Lynch Gearoid Evans Darragh O’Connor Liam Evans Fionn Murphy are under in ‘25 Players like Keelan O’Shea Padraig Moynihan Ben Murphy Colm Browne Jake Foley should step up . Eddie Healy and Dan Kirby are under in ‘25 Jack Clifford Jack O’Sullivan should be there Cormac Dillon Paddy Lane Ian O’Sullivan Odhran Ferris Evan Boyle Tomás Kennedy under in ‘25 . Players like Dara Hogan Oisin Healy Alex Hennigan Emmet Daly Niall Collins will be pushing for spots . Ryan O’Driscoll a great prospect if he can stay injury free.
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Post by crokes86 on May 20, 2024 23:22:49 GMT
My U20 Team for 2025
1. James Hoare Dingle 2. Maidchi Lynch Dr Crokes 3. Padraig Moynihan Rathmore 4. Gearoid Evans Keel 5. Ben Murphy Austin Stacks 6. Darragh O’Connor Kenmare 7. Eddie Healy Listowel Emmets 8. Daniel Kirby Austin Stacks 9. Jack Clifford St Michaels Foilmore 10. Evan Boyle Ballyduff 11. Odhran Ferris Ardfert 12. Tomás Kennedy Kerins O’Rahillys 13. Cormac Dillon Duagh 14. Ian O’Sullivan St Michaels Foilmore 15. Paddy Lane Austin Stacks
16. Mike Tansley Austin Stacks 17. Fionn Murphy Rathmore 18. Liam Evans Keel 19. Donagh O’Sullivan Dromid Pearses 20. Jack O’Sullivan Brosna 21. Oisin Healy Asdee 22. Jake Foley Kerins O’Rahillys 23. Alex Hennigan Dr Crokes 24. Jack Murphy Austin Stacks 25. Dara Hogan Milltown/Castlemaine 26. Keelan O’Shea Kilcummin
Others
Kacpar Robak Dr Crokes Liam O’Neill Cromane Colm Browne Austin Stacks Aodhna O’Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht Jamie Moynihan Glenflesk Darragh O’Keefe Moyvane Niall Collins Ballymac Emmet Daly Valentia Killian Dennehy Cordal Ronan Carroll Austin Stacks Aaron Kennelly Listowel Emmets Stephen Gannon Laune Rangers
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Post by kerrysouth on May 21, 2024 2:26:37 GMT
The boys tried their best yesterday but in reality this team was never equipped to win an all Ireland .From the start from talking to avid followers of both club and colleges football the management got the selection for both the panel and later the team wrong .Too many quality club and college quality players omitted and conversely too many starters from last years mediocre minor team that failed to beat Monaghan .They were all totally out of their depth yesterday.We also had too many attack minded defenders who were ruthlessly exposed for their defensive frailties yesterday and a midfield that was too small for the modern game and forwards that played too much as individuals.I know they battled to the end yesterday and for sheer honesty they can’t be faulted but we expect so much more down in Kerry and it was humbling the way tyrone blew us away by not playing puke football but by playing the beautiful game Brazil style that we invented that’s what hurts the most today.Let’s get it right for 2025 and no more lame excuses as we are the aristocrats of Gaelic football not these tyrone imposters .
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Post by sayitasiseeit on May 21, 2024 8:23:44 GMT
The boys tried their best yesterday but in reality this team was never equipped to win an all Ireland .From the start from talking to avid followers of both club and colleges football the management got the selection for both the panel and later the team wrong .Too many quality club and college quality players omitted and conversely too many starters from last years mediocre minor team that failed to beat Monaghan .They were all totally out of their depth yesterday.We also had too many attack minded defenders who were ruthlessly exposed for their defensive frailties yesterday and a midfield that was too small for the modern game and forwards that played too much as individuals.I know they battled to the end yesterday and for sheer honesty they can’t be faulted but we expect so much more down in Kerry and it was humbling the way tyrone blew us away by not playing puke football but by playing the beautiful game Brazil style that we invented that’s what hurts the most today.Let’s get it right for 2025 and no more lame excuses as we are the aristocrats of Gaelic football not these tyrone imposters . Who were all the lads that were hard done by not to make the panel and team?
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Post by kingdomrising on May 21, 2024 9:15:28 GMT
Hard luck to all involved on Sunday, Tyrone were magnificent going forward, took advantage of every loose handpass or miscommunication from Kerry, and the better team won on the day. Very interesting after to hear their players and management talk about the '8 step programme' of preparing for the 8 matches required to win the AI title from the day they met for the first time as a panel. The U20 format lends itself to preparing for these kinds of challenges from the outset and you can see they were in the right mindset to deliver.
Hopefully our lads that carry over into next year can learn from the hurt and disappointment of this championship and go the extra step forward next year. A lot has been said in the media recently that disappointment at underage level might go further to a player's development at senior level than success, so hopefully the senior panel reaps the dividends of this going forward. Those from the starting team underage again for next season will have gained a ton of vital experience and deserve another chance to deliver under the same management group. Onwards and upwards.
Congratulations also to Charlie Keating, who was awarded the Munster U20 Player of the Championship last night.
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Post by ballyf1984 on May 21, 2024 20:16:40 GMT
Some ridiculous comments here my god. Not one positive comment out of you when they won Munster and the semi final and out you come after they lose an All Ireland final. Name your starting team? The boys tried their best yesterday but in reality this team was never equipped to win an all Ireland .From the start from talking to avid followers of both club and colleges football the management got the selection for both the panel and later the team wrong .Too many quality club and college quality players omitted and conversely too many starters from last years mediocre minor team that failed to beat Monaghan .They were all totally out of their depth yesterday.We also had too many attack minded defenders who were ruthlessly exposed for their defensive frailties yesterday and a midfield that was too small for the modern game and forwards that played too much as individuals.I know they battled to the end yesterday and for sheer honesty they can’t be faulted but we expect so much more down in Kerry and it was humbling the way tyrone blew us away by not playing puke football but by playing the beautiful game Brazil style that we invented that’s what hurts the most today.Let’s get it right for 2025 and no more lame excuses as we are the aristocrats of Gaelic football not these tyrone imposters .
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Post by dc84 on May 22, 2024 6:58:55 GMT
I'd never get too excited about underage winning all irelands being competitive and bringing on lads is the key two years always stand out in my head. 2012 u21s see below...
Kelly; P Crowley, M Griffin, D O’Leary; J Sherwood, B Shanahan, J Lyne; T Ladden, E Walsh; J O’Donoghue, BJ Keane, A Fitzgerald; S O’Brien, P Geaney, D Casey.
They got the worst beating down in pairc ui rinn against Cork yet 3 years later a good few won the big one we got a fair few quality seniors from this crowley,donoghue,geaney and o brien and other good players like Kelly,Griffin,sherwood. The 2001 minor team lost by 4 in semi vs dublin Bryan sheeran, donnacha walsh, colm Cooper, donaghy and Dec sull all played that day...
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Post by pony on May 22, 2024 8:15:30 GMT
I'd never get too excited about underage winning all irelands being competitive and bringing on lads is the key two years always stand out in my head. 2012 u21s see below... Kelly; P Crowley, M Griffin, D O’Leary; J Sherwood, B Shanahan, J Lyne; T Ladden, E Walsh; J O’Donoghue, BJ Keane, A Fitzgerald; S O’Brien, P Geaney, D Casey. They got the worst beating down in pairc ui rinn against Cork yet 3 years later a good few won the big one we got a fair few quality seniors from this crowley,donoghue,geaney and o brien and other good players like Kelly,Griffin,sherwood. The 2001 minor team lost by 4 in semi vs dublin Bryan sheeran, donnacha walsh, colm Cooper, donaghy and Dec sull all played that day... Good point but that day Cork midfield were excellent and set the tone for the big win.I do think however that under 20/21 is a better barometer of the future.Winning an All Ireland at under 20 provides a big boost to the senior team.Our great team under Micko came on the back of a few under 21 All Irelands as did the recent Dublin team.Tyrone also won All Irelands at senior building from under 21 successes. There is no real evidence to point towards winning at this level and going on to succeed at senior. Cork '19 Mayo '16 Galway '20 Offaly '21 Kildare '23 (wait and see I suppose, also runners up in '22) Tyrone '22 & '24 (again wait and see) The only outlier is Dublin winning in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017 - but there are other obvious advantages handed to them
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Post by onlykerry on May 22, 2024 11:14:26 GMT
One off U20/21 titles do not correlate to senior success but there is some evidence to suggest strength over successive years at u20/21 level is a good omen for senior success.
In the 1970's we contested 6 u21 finals winning 4 and many of the successful 4 in a row side cut their teeth in these underage teams. The 1980' saw us only in 1 U21 final and we went through a drought at senior level. The 1990's saw us in 7 U21 finals with 4 titles and we again had a purple patch at senior from 2000 through 2009. The noughties saw 1 final contested and a meagre return at senior level followed.
Minors are less predictive of senior success - this suggests more effort needs to go into the U20 grade both at club and county level. Sadly it is treated with disdain at club level.
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Post by hurlingman on May 22, 2024 12:43:32 GMT
Good point but that day Cork midfield were excellent and set the tone for the big win.I do think however that under 20/21 is a better barometer of the future.Winning an All Ireland at under 20 provides a big boost to the senior team.Our great team under Micko came on the back of a few under 21 All Irelands as did the recent Dublin team.Tyrone also won All Irelands at senior building from under 21 successes. There is no real evidence to point towards winning at this level and going on to succeed at senior. Cork '19 Mayo '16 Galway '20 Offaly '21 Kildare '23 (wait and see I suppose, also runners up in '22) Tyrone '22 & '24 (again wait and see) The only outlier is Dublin winning in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017 - but there are other obvious advantages handed to them Cork won in 07 with a lot of the team winners senior in 2010. Mayo in 06 winners a lot were thr backbone of the team of the 2010s. Westmeath of the 2000s was made of lads from their 99 winning team.
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Post by Jo90 on May 22, 2024 13:14:44 GMT
The 2003 Kerry u21 team that lost to Waterford included senior All-Ireland medal winners: Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan, Gooch, Paddy Kelly, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon and Kieran Donaghy who came on as sub.
The 2018 All-Ireland minor winning team has yet to provide a player who has played a senior championship match.
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Post by mossie on May 22, 2024 18:36:18 GMT
some crowd at the leinster u20 hurling final in portlaoise in contrast to the all ireland final last sunday
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Post by mike70 on May 22, 2024 20:47:00 GMT
It’s not about winning a 20/21 title that leads to senior all ireland, it’s more about the quality of the team, in fairness that Tyrone team has quality written all over it , they will contribute to Tyrone teams of the future. I would say our team definitely performed to their max, but I do think in the final we were lucky to be in the game, but the team showed serious determination, but we lacked the quality of Tyrone, we had one performing forward performing consistently on the day. The picking for the senior team will be slim in my opinion, even allowing for young age of team. But well done to all involved, as disappointing as it was to lose final, super achievement to get there, but the superior team won.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 22, 2024 22:03:13 GMT
It’s not about winning a 20/21 title that leads to senior all ireland, it’s more about the quality of the team, in fairness that Tyrone team has quality written all over it , they will contribute to Tyrone teams of the future. I would say our team definitely performed to their max, but I do think in the final we were lucky to be in the game, but the team showed serious determination, but we lacked the quality of Tyrone, we had one performing forward performing consistently on the day. The picking for the senior team will be slim in my opinion, even allowing for young age of team. But well done to all involved, as disappointing as it was to lose final, super achievement to get there, but the superior team won. In 4/5 years time (since some are first year 20s) I’d expect 5/6 of this group to be in and around the Senior 26.
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Post by dc84 on May 23, 2024 9:48:12 GMT
Attitude can often Trump ability if they keep applying themselves with the same vigour you never know who will make it Paul Murphy and Donaghey being prime examples!
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Post by hurlingman on May 23, 2024 19:57:03 GMT
The 2003 Kerry u21 team that lost to Waterford included senior All-Ireland medal winners: Declan Quill, Declan O'Sullivan, Gooch, Paddy Kelly, Bryan Sheehan, Seamus Scanlon and Kieran Donaghy who came on as sub. The 2018 All-Ireland minor winning team has yet to provide a player who has played a senior championship match. That's unreal.Maybe Paul O Shea might have played as a sub in the championship but can't think of anyone else. I think he played a few league games. I think he's the only one from the 2018 team to play any senior games.
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Post by exiled on May 23, 2024 21:39:23 GMT
Kerry did not win a Munster minor title in the early 70s yet still a lot of those players went on to win multiple all Irelands.. Yet the Cork players didn't.
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