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Post by blacksheep21 on Dec 6, 2023 20:26:35 GMT
If you are travelling from Kerry, it does not really matter whether it is Inniskeen or Clones.
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Post by thehermit on Dec 6, 2023 20:55:05 GMT
I won't be at that one anyway but yes Inniskeen is much more suitable for a League game - Clones is too big.
Was just reading through the Masters fixture list so key dates to jot into the new year's calendars as regards the footballers (assuming everything goes to plan):
Munster semi-final: 20 April Munster final: 5 May
AI Group R1: 25-6 May AI Group R2: 1-2 June AI Group R3: 15-16 June
AI Q-final: 29-30 June AI Semi-final: 13-14 July
AI Final: 28 July (replay 10 Aug)
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 6, 2023 20:57:32 GMT
If you are travelling from Kerry, it does not really matter whether it is Inniskeen or Clones. Well I'm not so that's why I mentioned it. But I'd say travelling to Inniskeen is better for Kerry either way as its motorway from Adare to Dundalk and on a short spin from there. Plus Clones is a big ground which will be half empty.. but that's beside the point.
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Post by jrmanula on Dec 8, 2023 18:12:56 GMT
I don't remember Kerry ever changing venue to suit the opposition supporters. Get real.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 8, 2023 18:45:46 GMT
I don't remember Kerry ever changing venue to suit the opposition supporters. Get real. Who is suggesting they change it ? Just pointing out that it's a poor choice for the game. But it was previously down to be played in Clones and subsequently moved. Not to suit anyone but out of common sense.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 8, 2023 20:36:34 GMT
I see Marc Sè has touted Mike Breen as a possible candidate to partner Diarmuid O'Connor next year, i have favoured the Beaufort man as a possible midfielder with a bit I would love for Jack to go against the grain and think outside the box and try something different.
I often refer to the Dublin pairing of Ciaràn Whelan and Shane Ryan and their success rate due to their dynamic.
I think Diarmuid and Mike could be just as successful
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Post by chicago09 on Dec 8, 2023 21:29:40 GMT
Well people don’t know if some of ye remember me from. The other place but I am going to do a few topics here. I’m not the best at the typing and stuff but I will try. I remember specially Horsebox. The hermit and ciarraimick and of course kingdomboy whatever happened to him hope he is still around great posters. Anyway the less said about this year the better looking forward to 2024. I have a lot to say about what happened but we have to move on. Every conversation I had this year was we need at least one midfielder and some real good half forward or two that can do everything and more importantly score. But like I said I will try and contribute a bit now and then.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 8, 2023 21:49:38 GMT
Well people don’t know if some of ye remember me from. The other place but I am going to do a few topics here. I’m not the best at the typing and stuff but I will try. I remember specially Horsebox. The hermit and ciarraimick and of course kingdomboy whatever happened to him hope he is still around great posters. Anyway the less said about this year the better looking forward to 2024. I have a lot to say about what happened but we have to move on. Every conversation I had this year was we need at least one midfielder and some real good half forward or two that can do everything and more importantly score. But like I said I will try and contribute a bit now and then. Hey Chicago, great to hear from you again. Hope all is well, you were very knowledgeable and posted well on HS. This place is 100% better both from a poster, knowledge, input and governance point of view. K'boy signed off out of the blue about twelve months ago, both Hermit and I reached out but no dice. Either way, another good egg has defected. This forum will be a better place for it.
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Post by anleigiun on Dec 8, 2023 23:36:20 GMT
Players we should be looking at for 2024: Dylan Casey- Another good insider defender who has huge potential. Need to get a good run of games into him as we need backup in the full back line. Sean O'Brien- Nice athletic middle third player that we are crying out for who can travel across the ground and has good footballing ability. Ruairi Murphy- Half forward/midfield player who can contribute on scoreboard and in middle third. Daragh Lyne- ball winning midfielder who might be given a look at during McGrath cup/league. People with a closer eye on club scene might advise on if he has the ability. Armin Heinrich- Seems like a great athlete and could fill a spot in the half back line. Rob Monaghan- Looked really good at times for the under 20s this year. Seriously mobile and very good in front of the posts. Cillian Burke- Hyped a lot with the under 20s. looked good in patches and seems to have a lot of ability. Donal O'Sullivan- another speedy inside forward with great direct approach. Will see about others like Joe Lenihan, Dylan Geaney, William Shine, Stefan Okunbar etc. Anyone else who might crack the panel? Darragh lyne definitely would be someone on the radar of jack o Connor, he's been playing blinders in his last few games
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 9, 2023 13:42:45 GMT
I see Marc Sè has touted Mike Breen as a possible candidate to partner Diarmuid O'Connor next year, i have favoured the Beaufort man as a possible midfielder with a bit I would love for Jack to go against the grain and think outside the box and try something different. I often refer to the Dublin pairing of Ciaràn Whelan and Shane Ryan and their success rate due to their dynamic. I think Diarmuid and Mike could be just as successful Punditry is a game in itself. Many retirees try to get into it but there are few openings. The three O'Sé brothers are at it so clearly they know now to play it. I don't know what part it plays in the punditry game to say that Mike Breen could win you an AI playing midfield but it is not going to happen. Mike is not an intercounty midfielder but definitely could make a contribution to the team elsewhere. This is actually taking the focus off of the real problems that need to be solved.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 9, 2023 21:32:04 GMT
I see Marc Sè has touted Mike Breen as a possible candidate to partner Diarmuid O'Connor next year, i have favoured the Beaufort man as a possible midfielder with a bit I would love for Jack to go against the grain and think outside the box and try something different. I often refer to the Dublin pairing of Ciaràn Whelan and Shane Ryan and their success rate due to their dynamic. I think Diarmuid and Mike could be just as successful Punditry is a game in itself. Many retirees try to get into it but there are few openings. The three O'Sé brothers are at it so clearly they know now to play it. I don't know what part it plays in the punditry game to say that Mike Breen could win you an AI playing midfield but it is not going to happen. Mike is not an intercounty midfielder but definitely could make a contribution to the team elsewhere. This is actually taking the focus off of the real problems that need to be solved. Yeah i agree, I am open to correction here but what I've seen of Mike he is a good player but he isint the quickest player. The half back line possible at 6 is were I think he is suited best but I remember parts of the Louth game last year where he wss caught for pace a few times.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Dec 9, 2023 22:34:10 GMT
I agree with Marc. The ball doesn’t go out long as much nowadays so the pre-requisite to be 6’3 is gone. Mike is strong, a great ball carrier, good distributor and can take a score. Could be a great asset as a number 9. Much is made of his pace but I feel he’s one of these players who looks slower than he actually is.
A lot of modern intercounty midfielders are re-purposed. James Mc, Howard, Rodgers, Diarmuid O’Connor (Mayo). Obviously the overall team balance is important and if you had Mike midfield, Dara M, Paudie Clifford, Paul Murphy in your middle 8 you might be vulnerable but I feel it’s definitely an option if guys like Cillian Burke and Sean O Brien (which will be asking a lot given they are quite new to the panel) who have a little extra height make a push for those positions
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 9, 2023 23:33:12 GMT
I agree with Marc. The ball doesn’t go out long as much nowadays so the pre-requisite to be 6’3 is gone. Mike is strong, a great ball carrier, good distributor and can take a score. Could be a great asset as a number 9. Much is made of his pace but I feel he’s one of these players who looks slower than he actually is. A lot of modern intercounty midfielders are re-purposed. James Mc, Howard, Rodgers, Diarmuid O’Connor (Mayo). Obviously the overall team balance is important and if you had Mike midfield, Dara M, Paudie Clifford, Paul Murphy in your middle 8 you might be vulnerable but I feel it’s definitely an option if guys like Cillian Burke and Sean O Brien (which will be asking a lot given they are quite new to the panel) who have a little extra height make a push for those positions Good post.
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Post by chicago09 on Dec 10, 2023 15:02:33 GMT
Well, I said I wasn’t gonna comment on this year, but there was a lot of mistakes made in my opinion I think bringing the Clifford’s back early was a mistake they should have tried out more players in the league anyway. I’m not a big fan of those club championship but I know it’s a great thing for the clubs and all but there is too many games for our county players. Last year jack played his full team right through the league and even the McGrath cup it worked but I think he should have rested them this year. I know they say games are good and playing together and all that but when you think about it is the same panel, we have in the last four years more or less. I mean what is the point in playing Tom Sullivan the first week in January and he was playing in west Kerry final a few weeks before. I think the Derry game took a lot out of them and with only two weeks to final it showed in the final as they have nothing left in those last ten minutes. But what do I know. The team selection and new players for 2024 will leave for next post.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 10, 2023 16:47:11 GMT
For me Mike Breen is in the HB line or not on the team, to say you don’t need a big MF any more seems against what all the winning teams have, Dublin big MF, Derry big MF, I could go on.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Dec 10, 2023 18:40:45 GMT
For me Mike Breen is in the HB line or not on the team, to say you don’t need a big MF any more seems against what all the winning teams have, Dublin big MF, Derry big MF, I could go on. I don’t want my point to be specifically about Mike but assuming success is due to a big midfield if somebody had it would be a logical fallacy. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. The reality is Brian Howard spends a lot of his time playing midfield with Dublin. He won 8 kickouts in the final. He’s 5’11, same as a Mike Breen or a Gavin White approximately. What’s more important nowadays is athleticism, how you use the ball, tackling intensity etc. A decent sized half back who is comfortable in possession who can kick a score would be ideal in my eyes (McCarthy, Howard) if there is not a ready made ‘out and out’ midfielder. Kerry do not have random undiscovered 6’3 midfielders who are up to standard lying about. Young players take time to get up to intercounty level and this is even more apparent around the middle when extra meat on bones is required and takes time. Jack Barry is/was a great servant for Kerry but was never a scoring threat. That means two things, he doesn’t need to be minded and also his man can help/mind somebody else. If we had a midfield of Diarmuid plus another who wasn’t toothless offensively it would improve our range of scorers in two ways by not allowing an opposition player cheat off them. Of course I’m not ignoring the fact that if all your team is under 6 feet your opponent would change tactics to punish that but that is why I added the caveat of it would work well (in my opinion) with the right personnel. There is a zero percent chance we will uncover a behemoth of intercounty football standard midfielder who will dominate the skies by next season. Thankfully it may not be needed as it’s ‘horses for courses’ and ‘styles make fights’
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Post by mike70 on Dec 10, 2023 18:51:07 GMT
For me Mike Breen is in the HB line or not on the team, to say you don’t need a big MF any more seems against what all the winning teams have, Dublin big MF, Derry big MF, I could go on. I don’t want my point to be specifically about Mike but assuming success is due to a big midfield if somebody had it would be a logical fallacy. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. The reality is Brian Howard spends a lot of his time playing midfield with Dublin. He won 8 kickouts in the final. He’s 5’11, same as a Mike Breen or a Gavin White approximately. What’s more important nowadays is athleticism, how you use the ball, tackling intensity etc. A decent sized half back who is comfortable in possession who can kick a score would be ideal in my eyes (McCarthy, Howard) if there is not a ready made ‘out and out’ midfielder. Kerry do not have random undiscovered 6’3 midfielders who are up to standard lying about. Young players take time to get up to intercounty level and this is even more apparent around the middle when extra meat on bones is required and takes time. Jack Barry is/was a great servant for Kerry but was never a scoring threat. That means two things, he doesn’t need to be minded and also his man can help/mind somebody else. If we had a midfield of Diarmuid plus another who wasn’t toothless offensively it would improve our range of scorers in two ways by not allowing an opposition player cheat off them. Of course I’m not ignoring the fact that if all your team is under 6 feet your opponent would change tactics to punish that but that is why I added the caveat of it would work well (in my opinion) with the right personnel. There is a zero percent chance we will uncover a behemoth of intercounty football standard midfielder who will dominate the skies by next season. Thankfully it may not be needed as it’s ‘horses for courses’ and ‘styles make fights’ My point is it’s not MB in Midfield for me, the teams that have won all irelands club and county have big MF, take your point on Howard, but he is a great fielder, I don’t see that in Breen locker. Our new MF might not be 6-3 but he needs to be a MF, we have suffered from Moran departure , we need some one of his stature in my book.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Dec 10, 2023 18:58:11 GMT
I don’t want my point to be specifically about Mike but assuming success is due to a big midfield if somebody had it would be a logical fallacy. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. The reality is Brian Howard spends a lot of his time playing midfield with Dublin. He won 8 kickouts in the final. He’s 5’11, same as a Mike Breen or a Gavin White approximately. What’s more important nowadays is athleticism, how you use the ball, tackling intensity etc. A decent sized half back who is comfortable in possession who can kick a score would be ideal in my eyes (McCarthy, Howard) if there is not a ready made ‘out and out’ midfielder. Kerry do not have random undiscovered 6’3 midfielders who are up to standard lying about. Young players take time to get up to intercounty level and this is even more apparent around the middle when extra meat on bones is required and takes time. Jack Barry is/was a great servant for Kerry but was never a scoring threat. That means two things, he doesn’t need to be minded and also his man can help/mind somebody else. If we had a midfield of Diarmuid plus another who wasn’t toothless offensively it would improve our range of scorers in two ways by not allowing an opposition player cheat off them. Of course I’m not ignoring the fact that if all your team is under 6 feet your opponent would change tactics to punish that but that is why I added the caveat of it would work well (in my opinion) with the right personnel. There is a zero percent chance we will uncover a behemoth of intercounty football standard midfielder who will dominate the skies by next season. Thankfully it may not be needed as it’s ‘horses for courses’ and ‘styles make fights’ My point is it’s not MB in Midfield for me, the teams that have won all irelands club and county have big MF, take your point on Howard, but he is a great fielder, I don’t see that in Breen locker. Our new MF might not be 6-3 but he needs to be a MF, we have suffered from Moran departure , we need some one of his stature in my book. I agree with you but I’d be looking to Diarmuid for that stature and looking for some other positives from my number ‘9’. Doesn’t have to be MB but I’d be very open to it.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Dec 10, 2023 19:13:04 GMT
My point is it’s not MB in Midfield for me, the teams that have won all irelands club and county have big MF, take your point on Howard, but he is a great fielder, I don’t see that in Breen locker. Our new MF might not be 6-3 but he needs to be a MF, we have suffered from Moran departure , we need some one of his stature in my book. I agree with you but I’d be looking to Diarmuid for that stature and looking for some other positives from my number ‘9’. Doesn’t have to be MB but I’d be very open to it. Diarmuid isn’t capable of being that dominant in the air midfielder. Also last year Diarmuid’s best plays bar the Tyrone game were defensive so ideally his partner will be physically more commanding and an attacking threat.
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Post by chicago09 on Dec 10, 2023 19:51:46 GMT
Well what i remember about jack Barry when he was younger he would go forward a lot and when close to goal instead of scoring somehow didn’t have the confidence or was coached out of him he would turn and pass. In the final this year neither of our midfielders went upfield and put any pressure on the other team maybe one Oconnor did go forward if I’m not mistaken.
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 11, 2023 0:44:36 GMT
Diarmuid O'Connor is capable of being a great midfielder. He has that uncoachable ability, vision and ability to split a defence open. Kerry didn't play as Kerry should in the Tyrone game. David was starved of service. At the time I thought it was a once off to deal with the "swarm" and accepted that it worked on the day. Looking back there was a pattern. Derry should have beaten us and Dublin did beat us. Fear of the opposition in quarter/semi/final had us under performing. David got no meaningful service. Very very hard to get enthusiastic about 2024.
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Post by homerj on Dec 11, 2023 9:58:01 GMT
definately agree, considering how little kick outs go long now, midfield is not that important anymore in terms of height. its all about mobility and discipline.
Kerry is probably still one of the only counties where supporters put big focus on who the midfield pairing are.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 11, 2023 11:19:56 GMT
definately agree, considering how little kick outs go long now, midfield is not that important anymore in terms of height. its all about mobility and discipline. Kerry is probably still one of the only counties where supporters put big focus on who the midfield pairing are. Lads it’s not about us having big guys MF, just look at all the games we struggled in last year, it was where we got dominated around the middle, it’s not just the 2 MF but that middle 8, we are small in that area. But you do need a MF that can take the pressure of by catching a long ball, all this is more evident when teams put the press on, the games are won by fine margins, for me you need midfielders, who can compete in the air, this is where tight games can be coen and lost. My out look for kerry MF is DOC and Adrian Spillane.
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Post by taggert on Dec 11, 2023 21:05:21 GMT
Hard to see either Breen or Spillane all of a sudden being the pannacea to our midfield ills - the former still hasn't nailed down a place on the team while the latter will be 30 heading into next years championship. If he hasn't nailed a midfield spot by now, he's probably not the answer.
The top midfelds, Dublin and Derry for example, Galway and Mayo to a lesser extent, possess incredible athleticism and I don't think either of the aforementioned would have the game - stamina, running power and physical presence - to match up with the best there is.
To be fair to both, wing back and wing forward is where they are best suited, most likely as squad players. We should refrain from putting square pegs in round holes.
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 20, 2023 8:41:58 GMT
I see James McCarthy has given a strong indication that he is going to stay on and sure why wouldn't he.....
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Dec 20, 2023 9:10:40 GMT
Love see would seanie Shea do a job in midfield there if needs be down the line with injures should test him out in one or two games in the league
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Post by homerj on Dec 20, 2023 9:48:52 GMT
is there a full list of what the panel is for 2024?
guess we will see any new lads in the mcgrath cup,soon enough
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Post by southward on Dec 20, 2023 20:39:09 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 22, 2023 19:01:39 GMT
Recieved the new Kerry jersey today.
Honestly it was very disappointing.
The material is appalling and its as thin as paper.
I got a player fit and it's just brutal.
80 euro and its garbage.
If you haven't bought one then I wouldn't bother.
It looked great in the pictures.
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Post by thehermit on Dec 22, 2023 20:59:50 GMT
Funny Royal was in Tralee today doing some last minute bits and bobs and saw it in Shaws so had a look and had the exact same thought. It felt very light alright whatever its made of!
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