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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 26, 2023 21:11:03 GMT
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 26, 2023 21:43:52 GMT
He looked so impressive against Monaghan in Killarney in the league but didnt really shine after that, it could be argued that he didnt much opportunity. He didnt really impress in the county championship for East Kerry, I d say that has cost him Unfortunately he had a few chances in the league and crucially missed some chances against Donegal and Tyrone. The Monaghan game was worse than a training game. I liked him though he was big and strong but when we lost Dara Roche and then Tony Brosnan before the final and had only 1 option off the bench in Killian Spillane that was a killer. If he had pushed on there was a opportunity there last year. He was outstanding when he came off the bench against Tyrone really caused them problems. Struggled against Mayo alright and was average against Roscommon. Didn’t get much of a chance in the other games.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 26, 2023 22:04:35 GMT
Unfortunately he had a few chances in the league and crucially missed some chances against Donegal and Tyrone. The Monaghan game was worse than a training game. I liked him though he was big and strong but when we lost Dara Roche and then Tony Brosnan before the final and had only 1 option off the bench in Killian Spillane that was a killer. If he had pushed on there was a opportunity there last year. He was outstanding when he came off the bench against Tyrone really caused them problems. Struggled against Mayo alright and was average against Roscommon. Didn’t get much of a chance in the other games. Outstanding is a stretch he kicked 1 point. He also refused to take on a shot infront of the D in the final minutes when we desperately needed it.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 26, 2023 22:39:57 GMT
He was outstanding when he came off the bench against Tyrone really caused them problems. Struggled against Mayo alright and was average against Roscommon. Didn’t get much of a chance in the other games. Outstanding is a stretch he kicked 1 point. He also refused to take on a shot infront of the D in the final minutes when we desperately needed it. Created a goal as well. I remember being impressed anyway, brought a lot of energy when he came on. I think in the league we need to look at 2 from Tony Brosnan, Darragh Roche and Conor and Dylan Geaney to add to David, Geaney, Spillane and the option of Seanie inside. I don’t think there’s much between the 4 to be honest. All bar Dylan have been around for years so hopefully one can do something similar to what Basquel did last year for Dublin.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 26, 2023 23:11:01 GMT
Outstanding is a stretch he kicked 1 point. He also refused to take on a shot infront of the D in the final minutes when we desperately needed it. Created a goal as well. I remember being impressed anyway, brought a lot of energy when he came on. I think in the league we need to look at 2 from Tony Brosnan, Darragh Roche and Conor and Dylan Geaney to add to David, Geaney, Spillane and the option of Seanie inside. I don’t think there’s much between the 4 to be honest. All bar Dylan have been around for years so hopefully one can do something similar to what Basquel did last year for Dublin. I have to say I thought Dylan Geaney looked very sharp today.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 27, 2023 16:24:43 GMT
Yeah maybe Donal O Sullivan has nt progressed but this is Jacks game.Ive seen it before.He brings players in so we all think he checking all the talent and then they disappear.Mark my words if Jack and his selectors dont give players a proper chance we will fall to Cork this year.We went backwards last year.Yes we only bareley lost to Dublin but dont forget Mayo and other games. I know your not a fan of Jack's but I think that's unfair Mick. Donal had a number of opportunities in the league and unfortunately didn't take them as we all hoped he would. How many chances should you get ? Jack dropped his own clubman and captain in 06 so he cannot be accused of favoritism. Last year Kerry did well considering the injuries and the retirement of David Moran. I think Kerry will strike back next year and there's not a hope Cork will beat us in Killarney.
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Post by Corner Back on Nov 27, 2023 18:37:09 GMT
I laugh when I hear such a player didn't get a chance.
Player brought in to Kerry set up is the chance. Approximately 50 training sessions a year and numerous A v B games is the chance.
People tend to forget Jack and co see players about 10 times more than the general public. It the general public not getting a chance to see them rather than the player not getting a chance.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 27, 2023 18:47:06 GMT
To be fair to Jack, I can't think of any club player that is being touted as a potential county man that hadn't got a fair crack..
I'm a fan of Donal Down but being neutral and honest, he didn't grasp the nettle. I say him up in Salthill last Spring and i was surprised he lasted as long as he did
I think a fit again, Darragh Roche may be a better option and will have benefitted from the stint inside last year
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Post by listowelemerrs on Nov 27, 2023 19:51:21 GMT
Problem with Donal is I don’t believe he has any ‘Outstanding’ attribute.
Lacks pace at the elite level, movement isn’t the best ( not on paul geaney or k Spillane level) so he misses out but still young at 24 to come back strong but will be hard at this stage as he’s probably matured now and peaked at his highest level.
Dylan geaney very impressive against clonmel for dingle… Very accurate, good movement, reminds me of a young Paul geaney. Could do with some beefing up and could be very influential for Kerry in time.
I really hope Killian Spillane nails down a position next year.. not enough hard work and graft supposedly has cost him years as a starter but imo someone like killian, you need to play him and build team around him as he’s a natural born scorer.. elite movement for an inside forward and good speed.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 27, 2023 20:26:27 GMT
I know your not a fan of Jack's but I think that's unfair Mick. Donal had a number of opportunities in the league and unfortunately didn't take them as we all hoped he would. How many chances should you get ? Jack dropped his own clubman and captain in 06 so he cannot be accused of favoritism. Last year Kerry did well considering the injuries and the retirement of David Moran. I think Kerry will strike back next year and there's not a hope Cork will beat us in Killarney. Unfair?Maybe my view seems a bit harsh but i dont think its unfair!Its not that im not a fan of Jack persais but I do feel he is a little conservative at times especially towards teams like Dublin.Maybe I am being unfair and maybe im blind in ways but thats just my view.Last year I was worried we would lose our proud home record v Mayo and it came to pass.Players can be tried in A v B games lots of times but its different to actually playing for the county.I thought Donal Down was good in the league last year.I admit he was overly impressive for East Kerry this year but a sucessful county tean has to evolve every year.Yes David Moran was a loss but Barry Dan got no chance to show his worth in the championship while having a very strong league and Fenton ruled the roost in AI final.What annoys me is that many Kerry posters before last year were saying Dublin are a weaker team now and we stronger but we still lost by being conservative imo.Maybe im being unfair i dont know but cant help my feelings.During the noughties the sceptics said yes Kerry have a great team but they can only best Cork or Connaught teams in All Ireland finas.Fitzmaurice bucked the trend in 14 but can Jack?Maybe there is nt the talent we thought but players need to be given more chances in the Kerry jersey.I remember both Tomas O Se and Gooch first time i sae them play with Kerry.Both were brutal and one could understand if they were nt picked again but they were given other chances and became Kerry legends.P.G.players will be given time. Look at Dara Roche, Released back to his club last year after he got injured. Which in retrospect I think was a mistake given what happened to Tony Brosnan the week before the final. But Dara put the head down and earned his place back in the squad. I felt and still do that Ronan Buckley should have seen game time. But I'm not in currans every night watching these fellas. Regarding Dublin last year, They won but let's be honest it could and should have gone the otherway but history is written by the winners.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 27, 2023 21:45:36 GMT
Look at Dara Roche, Released back to his club last year after he got injured. Which in retrospect I think was a mistake given what happened to Tony Brosnan the week before the final. But Dara put the head down and earned his place back in the squad. I felt and still do that Ronan Buckley should have seen game time. But I'm not in currans every night watching these fellas. Regarding Dublin last year, They won but let's be honest it could and should have gone the otherway but history is written by the winners. But thats ny point Royal that eventhough we should have been stronger than Dublin like 2011 we lost both games from winning positions.Anyway we cant change the past but we can change the future.Yes Jack and selectors see the training but its only in competitive Kerry matches can we really judge.Midfield is a problem for us and half forward.Hopefully Joe O Connor will be a big playwr for us this year. Yeah I think if we can solve that issue around the middle and in particular the HF line we will be there or thereabouts. Roll on Jan 28th.. its been a hard 6 months.
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Post by homerj on Nov 27, 2023 22:01:33 GMT
we need to unearth a midfielder and 2 wing forwards. surely jack knows this though.
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Post by glengael on Nov 28, 2023 14:05:36 GMT
More scoring forwards please...not a big ask I know Santa.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 28, 2023 16:39:13 GMT
More scoring forwards please...not a big ask I know Santa. This is a pertinent point, We have other forwards but our over reliance on DC is an issue. We need to find away to get more lads contributing on the score board. We also need a far greater return from the HF line.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 28, 2023 16:47:34 GMT
More scoring forwards please...not a big ask I know Santa. This is a pertinent point, We have other forwards but our over reliance on DC is an issue. We need to find away to get more lads contributing on the score board. We also need a far greater return from the HF line. C Burke P Clifford R Buckley D Clifford S O’Shea K Spillane I’d like to see that, would give us great balance. Stephen O’Brien, Paul Geaney, Dara Moynihan and maybe Brosnan or Roche if they put their hand up would give us a real impact off the bench.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 28, 2023 18:46:11 GMT
This is a pertinent point, We have other forwards but our over reliance on DC is an issue. We need to find away to get more lads contributing on the score board. We also need a far greater return from the HF line. C Burke P Clifford R Buckley D Clifford S O’Shea K Spillane I’d like to see that, would give us great balance. Stephen O’Brien, Paul Geaney, Dara Moynihan and maybe Brosnan or Roche if they put their hand up would give us a real impact off the bench. I like that, I think it may be too much to expect both Buckly and Burke but I've been calling for Buckley for a while. I certainly think it gives us more physicality in that line and more kick out options.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Nov 28, 2023 19:18:54 GMT
Can’t have Buckley and Burke need a runner on the other side like o Brien or Moynihan
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 28, 2023 21:47:19 GMT
Can’t have Buckley and Burke need a runner on the other side like o Brien or Moynihan Burke is a runner he's very athletic.. he's probably built for Croke Park.
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 28, 2023 22:02:36 GMT
Can’t have Buckley and Burke need a runner on the other side like o Brien or Moynihan A runner is precisely what Burke is?!
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Post by thehermit on Nov 28, 2023 22:06:38 GMT
Interesting discussion lads, now I know I wouldn't have seen anywhere near the amount of club football since August ye would have; but from what I have seen I was impressed by Burke and Dylan Geaney. They are surely worth a start or two in the League come the new year.
I was at the Monaghan game last Feb in Killarney and I really thought Donal Down was a star in the making, shows yet again what I know about football. He just seemed to have faded away completely by the season's end for whatever reason.
Anyway if we can find a couple of viable scoring threats for the half forward line and a couple of options in midfield we should give Sam a hell of a rattle in 2024. The League needs to be all about brining players through now, none of us will give a fig about another League title considering we've 3 in the past 4 years.
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 29, 2023 7:59:08 GMT
Reports that Derry have requested that the opening round league game vs Kerry be played on the Saturday evening rather than the Sunday afternoon originally fixed. No indications on whether this has been accepted by Kerry as of yet, but it is likely to be in Tralee as it stands.
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Post by pony on Nov 29, 2023 9:53:31 GMT
I really hope Killian Spillane nails down a position next year.. not enough hard work and graft supposedly has cost him years as a starter but imo someone like killian, you need to play him and build team around him as he’s a natural born scorer.. elite movement for an inside forward and good speed. Is Sean o shea cert to start though? To my mind he’s had one good game (Dublin July 22 semi) in the last 4 years. I think he’s a big problem now if we are being realistic… can’t live off his past anymore. If he can’t play FF, I’d say he may have to make way. LOL!!
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 29, 2023 10:14:44 GMT
I see from todays examiner, that Paul Geaney has committed to Kerry 2024.... He, Paul Murphy and Stephen O'Brien are remaining from 2014.. yes?
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Post by thehermit on Nov 29, 2023 12:38:30 GMT
I see from todays examiner, that Paul Geaney has committed to Kerry 2024.... He, Paul Murphy and Stephen O'Brien are remaining from 2014.. yes? Championship appearances by Kerry players in 2014 All Ireland Championship: 6 -Peter Crowley, Shane Enright, Fionn Fitzgerald, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Brian Kelly, Anthony Maher, David Moran, Paul Murphy, Aidan O'Mahony, Marc Ó'Sé, Declan O'Sullivan, Bryan Sheehan, Donnacha Walsh, Killian Young. 5 -Johnny Buckley, Kieran Donaghy, Michael Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Kieran O'Leary. 4 - Stephen O'Brien. 3 -Darran O'Sullivan. 2 -Mark Griffin, Pa Kilkenny, Jonathan Lyne,
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Post by listowelemerrs on Nov 29, 2023 21:38:47 GMT
I really hope Killian Spillane nails down a position next year.. not enough hard work and graft supposedly has cost him years as a starter but imo someone like killian, you need to play him and build team around him as he’s a natural born scorer.. elite movement for an inside forward and good speed. Is Sean o shea cert to start though? To my mind he’s had one good game (Dublin July 22 semi) in the last 4 years. I think he’s a big problem now if we are being realistic… can’t live off his past anymore. If he can’t play FF, I’d say he may have to make way. LOL!! Wow great argument
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Post by tpo on Dec 4, 2023 21:51:42 GMT
I expected league fixtures out at this stage
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Post by thehermit on Dec 4, 2023 21:52:37 GMT
I see our game against Cork (most likely) in the Munster semi-final will be behind the paywall.
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Post by The16thMan on Dec 6, 2023 13:18:00 GMT
Kerry League Fixtures 2024
January Sat Jan 27th Tralee @ 5.30pm Kerry v Derry
February Sun Feb 4th - Clones - @ 1pm Kerry v Monaghan
Sat Feb 17th - Tralee - @ 7.30pm Kerry v Mayo
Sat Feb 24th - Croke Park - @ 7.30pm Kerry v Dublin (This game is to be played as part of a double header with Dublin v Limerick in the hurling which throws in at 5.15pm)
March Sun March 03rd - Killarney - @ 1.15pm Kerry v Tyrone
Sun March 17th - Dr.Hyde Park - @ 1.45pm Kerry v Roscommon
Sun March 24th- Killarney - @ 1.45pm Kerry v Galway
League Finals March 30th/31st
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 6, 2023 14:35:20 GMT
Kerry League Fixtures 2024 January Sat Jan 27th Tralee @ 5.30pm Kerry v Derry February Sun Feb 4th - Clones - @ 1pm Kerry v Monaghan Sat Feb 17th - Tralee - @ 7.30pm Kerry v Mayo Sat Feb 24th - Croke Park - @ 7.30pm Kerry v Dublin (This game is to be played as part of a double header with Dublin v Limerick in the hurling which throws in at 5.15pm) March Sun March 03rd - Killarney - @ 1.15pm Kerry v Tyrone Sun March 17th - Dr.Hyde Park - @ 1.45pm Kerry v Roscommon Sun March 24th- Killarney - @ 1.45pm Kerry v Galway League Finals March 30th/31st Bit of a joke dragging us to Clones. Inniskeen was a great venue for that fixture and more convenient for travelling supporters.
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Post by The16thMan on Dec 6, 2023 18:21:28 GMT
Kerry League Fixtures 2024 January Sat Jan 27th Tralee @ 5.30pm Kerry v Derry February Sun Feb 4th - Clones - @ 1pm Kerry v Monaghan Sat Feb 17th - Tralee - @ 7.30pm Kerry v Mayo Sat Feb 24th - Croke Park - @ 7.30pm Kerry v Dublin (This game is to be played as part of a double header with Dublin v Limerick in the hurling which throws in at 5.15pm) March Sun March 03rd - Killarney - @ 1.15pm Kerry v Tyrone Sun March 17th - Dr.Hyde Park - @ 1.45pm Kerry v Roscommon Sun March 24th- Killarney - @ 1.45pm Kerry v Galway League Finals March 30th/31st Bit of a joke dragging us to Clones. Inniskeen was a great venue for that fixture and more convenient for travelling supporters. Could yet be changed, 2 years ago it was changed from Clones a month out
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