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Post by The16thMan on Jan 29, 2023 16:59:25 GMT
After a bitterly disappointing 1 point defeat to Donegal in Round 1, it's even more important now Kerry get a home win to get the points on the board in the League. Doubt we'll see any bodies back that we didn't have in Ballybofey but I'd like to see fellas like Ruairi Murphy, Donal O'Sullivan & perhaps Stefan Okunbor get a start. I'd be thinking Brosnan/Spillane, Burns and Jack Barry to come out. Also maybe giving Devon Burns a shot in goal instead of Shane Murphy might not be a bad shout, just to see what our options are. A win is crucial if we want to get some momentum going
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Post by mike70 on Jan 29, 2023 19:12:37 GMT
Jack does not usually change things too much game to game, maybe a change or 2 in the HF line, other than that I think it will be same again, but I would like to see the bench get some earlier game time, especially as fellas don’t have a lot done.
Worth nothing all the HF line was replaced today.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 29, 2023 19:30:40 GMT
I could see Ruairi Murphy starting and maybe Donal Downs but it will be largely the same team.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 29, 2023 19:36:57 GMT
Jack does not usually change things too much game to game, maybe a change or 2 in the HF line, other than that I think it will be same again, but I would like to see the bench get some earlier game time, especially as fellas don’t have a lot done. Worth nothing all the HF line was replaced today. I think Spillane did well in there. He fought like a dog for the ball and dishes a bit out. I thought Dara Moynihan was good in FH and faded in 2nd. Michael Burns, I've never seen it.
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Post by kerryfan74 on Jan 30, 2023 15:36:21 GMT
Jack does not usually change things too much game to game, maybe a change or 2 in the HF line, other than that I think it will be same again, but I would like to see the bench get some earlier game time, especially as fellas don’t have a lot done. Worth nothing all the HF line was replaced today. I think Spillane did well in there. He fought like a dog for the ball and dishes a bit out. I thought Dara Moynihan was good in FH and faded in 2nd. Michael Burns, I've never seen it.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 30, 2023 20:00:31 GMT
Jack isn’t one to make wholesale changes and he is right regardless of the result, we need game time into players, off the bench, he gave game time to Pa Warren, Stefan, Donal Sullivan and Ruairi Murphy in Donegal, against Monaghan , I expect to see game time for O’Mahony, Casey and maybe Dan O’Donoghue.
I do think we need freshening in the forwards, a few last Sunday didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory and probably dropped themselves a notch as a result.
Donal O’Sullivan and Murphy only got twenty minutes and it’s hard to judge or make a realistic claim in that short time frame, however, in saying that due to the fact that a few of our offensive six were well well below par, it’s fair to expect a change. At times the ball into the forwards was poor and we well and truly struggled in midfield.
I would love for Burns to get a shot to challenge Murphy for the number sixteen jersey, if Jack was starting Stefan and Jack Barry then there would be merit in giving the Na Gaeil trio a start as it might give us an edge in the kickout department, but realistically as we all know Jack keeps the changes to the minimum.
I can see Donal Sullivan stating, not just on a Sundays display but his form over the last year for College and club, Murphy similar showing great club and EK form, his mini cameo will have done his report card no harm.
Think the following will be named, Murphy, Graham, Jason, Tom Sull, Breen, Tadgh, Paul, Jack Barr, Barry Dan, Murphy, Moynihan, Adrain, Donal Sull, Roche and Killian,
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Brosnan starting with Spillane going midfield. Time will tell, but we can’t afford to lose at home, Dublin probed last year, that a losing streak can be hard to get out of and no team or county is too big for the drop
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Post by egbabroad on Jan 30, 2023 20:44:14 GMT
Whats the story on Seanie O’Se injury? How long is he out for?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 30, 2023 20:55:37 GMT
Whats the story on Seanie O’Se injury? How long is he out for? I got the impression it's not particularly serious but this is more a rest for him. He played an awful lot of football last year.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 31, 2023 10:38:27 GMT
On the Donegal game I was disappointed with the timing of the subs.
Murphy and Warren came on in the 47th minute. Donal Sullivan and Okunbor came on in the 57th minute while Horan came on in the 61st minute.
Given how pretty much all the players tired in this game (I thought it was especially noticeable in the lads who played the full game) and how the the subs all seemed to bring more energy and freshness compared to the lads they replaced, I think you could make a strong case that the substitutions should have been made a bit earlier. At this time of year where match fitness isn't fully there I think subs should be made earlier in games.
I do think that it's a systemic thing in football that subs benches are underused. There still seems to be a hangover from the time when subs were only for injuries.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 31, 2023 12:01:12 GMT
On the Donegal game I was disappointed with the timing of the subs. Murphy and Warren came on in the 47th minute. Donal Sullivan and Okunbor came on in the 57th minute while Horan came on in the 61st minute. Given how pretty much all the players tired in this game (I thought it was especially noticeable in the lads who played the full game) and how the the subs all seemed to bring more energy and freshness compared to the lads they replaced, I think you could make a strong case that the substitutions should have been made a bit earlier. At this time of year where match fitness isn't fully there I think subs should be made earlier in games. I do think that it's a systemic thing in football that subs benches are underused. There still seems to be a hangover from the time when subs were only for injuries. I'm thinking that Jack put a schedule in place before the game, knowing very well that most of the Kerry lads would be tiring faster than the Donegal lads, as we have a lot less training done. I'm of the assumption that he rarely changes his mind during games, and will stick to the plan. Jack also has a tendency to say he was right, with the tactics and the substitutions, even if he knew he wasn't. My other assumption is that he wants to give lads game time and get them up to speed for the championship, and you don't do that by substituting them. Let them experience what it is like to chase a score when you're tiring against a team that isn't. I'm assuming he'll do something similar this Sunday against another team that has been training a bit more already.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 31, 2023 14:35:40 GMT
Well we need a result Sunday or else we are looking at being dragged into a protracted relegation battle. Of the 8 D1 teams its hard to pick a dead cert for the title (esp given our absentee list).
Even going by the first round, lots of teams will be taking points of each other. You would suspect if Monaghan lose again on Sunday they will be prime candidates to go down esp after their Houdini acts the past couple of year. Who joins them though is anyone's guess when you consider an unfancied Donegal getting a win, Roscommon flying and Tyrone looking in all sorts of trouble.
What the first weekend tells me is that most teams this year are capable of taking points of each other and with 3 more long away days ahead of us we need to be putting points on the board.
So after last week, Sunday's game assumes an even greater importance. Hopefully a big crowd of Kerry supporters will look to avail of the bank holiday by travelling to Fitzgerald's on Sunday and making a day of it. That's my own plan anyway!!
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 31, 2023 15:36:25 GMT
Whats the story on Seanie O’Se injury? How long is he out for? I think it’s worse than reported - understand he had a procedure done on his knee which will keep him out until after the league.
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Post by kerryboyo on Jan 31, 2023 17:12:06 GMT
I’d like to see us play 2 inside and have one player doing the role similar to paudie but JOC seems to want to develop his inside line into 3 full forwards rather then 2 and 1 drifting out id like to see Donal osullivan and darragh roche together inside and maybe darragh moynihan playing that drifting role or maybe Ruairi Murphy
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 31, 2023 17:12:57 GMT
Whats the story on Seanie O’Se injury? How long is he out for? I think it’s worse than reported - understand he had a procedure done on his knee which will keep him out until after the league. First I've read of this, Thats very concerning.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 31, 2023 17:24:25 GMT
I am going with the same starting 15, for next Sunday, not sure do guys think the management pick fellas on form or past achievements, might give it one change in the hf line.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 31, 2023 19:57:59 GMT
I’d like to see us play 2 inside and have one player doing the role similar to paudie but JOC seems to want to develop his inside line into 3 full forwards rather then 2 and 1 drifting out id like to see Donal osullivan and darragh roche together inside and maybe darragh moynihan playing that drifting role or maybe Ruairi Murphy Kerry is known for its great forwards, catch and kicking, the quick footpassing and being the home of beautiful football. We tried 15 men behind the ball, sweepers, double sweepers, zonal marking, double marking, and so on. I think Jsck's natural instinct is to go back playing pure football. Might not be possible anymore, but I expect him to keep trying to go back to that as much as he can. So 3 full forwards it is.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 31, 2023 21:29:13 GMT
With both Seanie and Paudie out of team at mó I'd go for a play making cf. What about Paul Murphy centre forward. He did well there before has his shooting boots and is very intelligent. I think we should make 2 changes in forwards and go for the win. Having watched game again Adrian was involved in a lot of play and Brosnan not as bad as first thought but wish he d take on his man. Killian scored a good point but probably should make way for Dónal Ó Sullivan. Maybe Burns should take a breather too. Jack Barry was poor too but he has something I like. How is Paul Murphy a play making centre forward, at best he’s a hard working wing forward. I wouldn’t mind seeing Tony Brosnan brought out to 11, he looked very good last year when he came on in a deeper role in a few league games.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 31, 2023 22:11:38 GMT
Tony Brosnan would be a better fit, there was one game recently when we went down to fourteen men, thunk league final vs Mayo when a Diarmuid got a black, he played deep and was spraying ball left and right. Paul was tried at wing forward before and this was a failure in my opinion,
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 31, 2023 22:55:56 GMT
Tony Brosnan would be a better fit, there was one game recently when we went down to fourteen men, thunk league final vs Mayo when a Diarmuid got a black, he played deep and was spraying ball left and right. Paul was tried at wing forward before and this was a failure in my opinion, With Seanie and Paudie gone he would give us some creativity in the position. Playing a bit deeper on these pitches might suit Tony better than inside too. 11 is a tough position and I don’t think it suits Dara Moynihan, who’s much more suited to the wing. I would like to see Mark Ryan get game time at midfield Sunday. I think he could do well if given the chance.
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 1, 2023 8:33:54 GMT
With both Seanie and Paudie out of team at mó I'd go for a play making cf. What about Paul Murphy centre forward. He did well there before has his shooting boots and is very intelligent. I think we should make 2 changes in forwards and go for the win. Having watched game again Adrian was involved in a lot of play and Brosnan not as bad as first thought but wish he d take on his man. Killian scored a good point but probably should make way for Dónal Ó Sullivan. Maybe Burns should take a breather too. Jack Barry was poor too but he has something I like. How is Paul Murphy a play making centre forward, at best he’s a hard working wing forward. I wouldn’t mind seeing Tony Brosnan brought out to 11, he looked very good last year when he came on in a deeper role in a few league games. A few Kerry backs would be well able for the half-forward line. Graham O'Sullivan had 6 assists and a point in the A-I final, while White and Tom O'Sullivan have great attacking instincts. Centre-forward is a specialised role, but Paul Murphy has shown in the past he's capable of doing a job there.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 1, 2023 10:02:40 GMT
How is Paul Murphy a play making centre forward, at best he’s a hard working wing forward. I wouldn’t mind seeing Tony Brosnan brought out to 11, he looked very good last year when he came on in a deeper role in a few league games. Paul played there under Fitzmaurice and was excellent. He was played there not for his attacking prowess but to be a defensive half forward and didn't add massively to the score board. It's a retrograde step to look at backs as forwards. The back 6 is solid our biggest issue before last year so let's leave that be. I'd stick with Dara and Spillane and Ruari Murphy on Sunday. I'd go with the same FF line again.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Feb 1, 2023 10:25:28 GMT
How is Paul Murphy a play making centre forward, at best he’s a hard working wing forward. I wouldn’t mind seeing Tony Brosnan brought out to 11, he looked very good last year when he came on in a deeper role in a few league games. A few Kerry backs would be well able for the half-forward line. Graham O'Sullivan had 6 assists and a point in the A-I final, while White and Tom O'Sullivan have great attacking instincts. Centre-forward is a specialised role, but Paul Murphy has shown in the past he's capable of doing a job there. A big difference being marked as a half forward and playing at wing back. Gavin White is the best example of this. Graham is a very good footballer but he was effectively a free man in the final last year.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 2, 2023 7:41:25 GMT
I suppose a win has to be expected this Sunday, Monaghan looked short a number of regulars last week, so you would expect our team out last week will have enough, although we will need an improvement in the shooting department.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 2, 2023 17:30:05 GMT
A must win game i feel a win here will set us up nicely for rest of league is go with brosnan at 11 data m on the wing and donal down in for burns. They should be better this week you would think after the run out vs donegal. Playing at home should give us the advantage the monster trip to donegal was a horrible one first up i assume they travelled up on the morning which would be no fun and tough on the legs at the best of times Any news on o brien we could do with at least one of the starters from 10 to 15 back.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 2, 2023 21:51:05 GMT
A must win game i feel a win here will set us up nicely for rest of league is go with brosnan at 11 data m on the wing and donal down in for burns. They should be better this week you would think after the run out vs donegal. Playing at home should give us the advantage the monster trip to donegal was a horrible one first up i assume they travelled up on the morning which would be no fun and tough on the legs at the best of timesAny news on o brien we could do with at least one of the starters from 10 to 15 back. Kerry travelled on the Saturday.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 3, 2023 9:47:19 GMT
A must win game i feel a win here will set us up nicely for rest of league is go with brosnan at 11 data m on the wing and donal down in for burns. They should be better this week you would think after the run out vs donegal. Playing at home should give us the advantage the monster trip to donegal was a horrible one first up i assume they travelled up on the morning which would be no fun and tough on the legs at the best of timesAny news on o brien we could do with at least one of the starters from 10 to 15 back. Kerry travelled on the Saturday. Fair enough still always easier when you sleep in your own bed
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Post by glengael on Feb 3, 2023 10:37:05 GMT
I thought this game was at 2pm, good job I checked. Have they reduced the prices for under 16's?
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 3, 2023 11:50:14 GMT
I thought this game was at 2pm, good job I checked. Have they reduced the prices for under 16's? U16s are free and don't need a ticket (according to Ticketmaster). Same for all League games (except where the venue has numbered seats and no General Admission only like Croke Park where you pay €5)
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 3, 2023 13:12:04 GMT
It'll be interesting to see the team for Sunday, announced tonight. Ruairi Murphy is still involved with UCC so I can't see him starting but hopefully he'll get his chance later in the league. A good call I saw maybe put Tony out to 11, Moynihan at 10 and maybe Donal Down into the team. It should definitely increase our chance of scores. The only thing that I might question about Tony at 11 is his workrate, it wouldn't be the highest without the ball. But on the ball he can pick a pass and get creative from 11 which we missed the last day. Donal Down definitely is in with a shout of starting I reckon
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 3, 2023 16:35:02 GMT
Anyone have any info on Ronan Buckley’s injury? He went off in a Sigerson game last week. If he was available against Donegal I would have expected him to have started.
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