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Post by moth on Jul 25, 2022 16:52:01 GMT
All star selection, POTY & YPOTY are difficult to nail down.
Normally, Provencial finals have double the weighting of the other matches, All Ireland semis have triple the weighting & finals have about 5 times the weighting.
This works in both the positive & negative - therefore Comer & Tom O'Sullivan will probably both lose out.
Let's apply the standards that we'd look for when we don't win & see what that gives us.
In goal, Rafferty (Arm) was the obvious choice before yesterday. Shane had an excellent final, but was not required to do enough to displace him. Comerford will probably be the 3rd keeper that is nominated.
Full back line - both Jason & Graham were outstanding. So was Silke of Galway. I think that McKaigue has done enough to earn one, as has Gannon, which lets us with 5, so we either push them out to the half back line or they lose out.
Half back line - Tadhg is nailed on. Gavin was excellent yesterday, but quiet in semis. Brian was superb in semis, but not yesterday. McCarthy (Dub) was immense in the semis. Kelly & Molloy from Galway were in line before yesterday and I think Molloy did just enough to hold onto his place. Note, Graham could replace him here.
Midfield - McDaid was head-and-shoulder above everyone else. Rodgers & Glass (Derry) as well as Fenton (Dub) were in the mix before yesterday. Jack was very good yesterday, but unlikely to squeeze in.
Half Forwards: Sean O Shea was nailed on before yesterday. Was well marked yesterday. Paudie not far behind. Keegan kept him quiet in quarters, while he didn't get really into the game yesterday until the 2nd half. Kilkenny (Dub) outstanding in a weakened Dublin team. Walsh (Gal) or O'Neill could be in either forward line.
Full Forward line: Comer was nailed on until yesterday and Finnerty was not far behind. Both lost out on yesterday's showing. David Clifford has an excellent league & was outstanding in first half against Dublin. Yesterday on it's own would get him on the team. Same applies to Walsh (Gal).
Harsh on some players but:
1. Rafferty (Armagh)
2. McKaigue (Derry) 3. Jason (Kerry) 4. Silke (Galway)
5. McCarthy (Dub) 6. Tadhg (Kerry) 7. Molloy (Galway)
8. Glass (Derry) 9. McDaid (Galway)
10. Kilkenny (Dub) 11. Sean (Kerry) 12. Paudie (Kerry)
13. David (Kerry) 14. O'Neill (Armagh) 15. Walsh (Galway)
Kerry - 5, Galway - 4, Dublin/Armagh/Derry - 2 each
All Ireland champions usually get more. Most likely for me is Graham O'Sullivan replacing Molloy & maybe Jack Barry replacing Glass.
POTY between McDaid, David Clifford & Jason Foley.
YPOTY - I don't know. Lee Gannon is the only player that comes to mind.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 25, 2022 18:07:21 GMT
All star selection, POTY & YPOTY are difficult to nail down. Normally, Provencial finals have double the weighting of the other matches, All Ireland semis have triple the weighting & finals have about 5 times the weighting. This works in both the positive & negative - therefore Comer & Tom O'Sullivan will probably both lose out. Let's apply the standards that we'd look for when we don't win & see what that gives us. In goal, Rafferty (Arm) was the obvious choice before yesterday. Shane had an excellent final, but was not required to do enough to displace him. Comerford will probably be the 3rd keeper that is nominated. Full back line - both Jason & Graham were outstanding. So was Silke of Galway. I think that McKaigue has done enough to earn one, as has Gannon, which lets us with 5, so we either push them out to the half back line or they lose out. Half back line - Tadhg is nailed on. Gavin was excellent yesterday, but quiet in semis. Brian was superb in semis, but not yesterday. McCarthy (Dub) was immense in the semis. Kelly & Molloy from Galway were in line before yesterday and I think Molloy did just enough to hold onto his place. Note, Graham could replace him here. Midfield - McDaid was head-and-shoulder above everyone else. Rodgers & Glass (Derry) as well as Fenton (Dub) were in the mix before yesterday. Jack was very good yesterday, but unlikely to squeeze in. Half Forwards: Sean O Shea was nailed on before yesterday. Was well marked yesterday. Paudie not far behind. Keegan kept him quiet in quarters, while he didn't get really into the game yesterday until the 2nd half. Kilkenny (Dub) outstanding in a weakened Dublin team. Walsh (Gal) or O'Neill could be in either forward line. Full Forward line: Comer was nailed on until yesterday and Finnerty was not far behind. Both lost out on yesterday's showing. David Clifford has an excellent league & was outstanding in first half against Dublin. Yesterday on it's own would get him on the team. Same applies to Walsh (Gal). Harsh on some players but: 1. Rafferty (Armagh) 2. McKaigue (Derry) 3. Jason (Kerry) 4. Silke (Galway) 5. McCarthy (Dub) 6. Tadhg (Kerry) 7. Molloy (Galway) 8. Glass (Derry) 9. McDaid (Galway) 10. Kilkenny (Dub) 11. Sean (Kerry) 12. Paudie (Kerry) 13. David (Kerry) 14. O'Neill (Armagh) 15. Walsh (Galway) Kerry - 5, Galway - 4, Dublin/Armagh/Derry - 2 each All Ireland champions usually get more. Most likely for me is Graham O'Sullivan replacing Molloy & maybe Jack Barry replacing Glass. POTY between McDaid, David Clifford & Jason Foley. YPOTY - I don't know. Lee Gannon is the only player that comes to mind.Glynn from Galway must have a good shot at young player of the year. |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 25, 2022 20:18:48 GMT
1. Shane ryan (best at the number 1 and 2 facets of his position kickouts and not conceding goals)
2. Liam silke GY
3.foley
4.mckaigue Dy
5.beaglaoich
6.morley
7.daly GY
8.mcdaid GY
9.fenton Dub
10.grugan Arm
11.sean o shea
12.kilkenny Dub
13.david Clifford
14.walsh gy
15.rian o neill Arm
6 kerry
4 galway
2 dublin
2 armagh
1 derry
On our side paudie Clifford, gavin white and graham sull very hard to leave out comer, conroy and tom sull very hard to include after yesterday no one in the country wouldve held walsh.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 25, 2022 21:49:23 GMT
I can’t understand some players that are being mentioned. For example Rian O’Neill is in the Sunday Game Team Of The Year. He was excellent against Donegal the second day out but the rest of his performances weren’t All Star level and they’d have to be for a player knocked out in the quarter finals to get one. His teammate Stefan Campbell should be in the mix alright, he was outstanding in every game. Conor Glass is another one who seems to be picked due to reputation rather that All Star performances this year.
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Post by fitz on Jul 25, 2022 22:12:36 GMT
The Tiger Morley hasn’t put a foot wrong all season, just his job isn’t box office, I’ve gladly paid to see him play, he gels the defence as a unit and is the key organiser and communicator
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 26, 2022 6:14:10 GMT
The Tiger Morley hasn’t put a foot wrong all season, just his job isn’t box office, I’ve gladly paid to see him play, he gels the defence as a unit and is the key organiser and communicator Ah yeah but sure Morley is guaranteed an all star. If Morley doesn’t get one then I’ll need someone to re explain both the game and the purpose of the all stars to me |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 26, 2022 10:22:34 GMT
Don't get the calls of some people for Raferty from Armagh in goals to be honest. Finie it's been a novelty to see a kepper come up the field and kick a score and link the play etc. However, his kickouts haven't been great and Armagh were out of the championship at the quarter final stage.
Shane Ryan conceded once to a wonder goal and when the game was in the balance against Dublin and Galway he got his kickouts away.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 26, 2022 11:21:45 GMT
Don't get the calls of some people for Raferty from Armagh in goals to be honest. Finie it's been a novelty to see a kepper come up the field and kick a score and link the play etc. However, his kickouts haven't been great and Armagh were out of the championship at the quarter final stage. Shane Ryan conceded once to a wonder goal and when the game was in the balance against Dublin and Galway he got his kickouts away. Either do I, Shane Ryan is a nailed on All Star. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 26, 2022 11:46:58 GMT
Graham oSullivan gave one of the greatest performances from a corner back in a final. Apart from snuffing out Finnertywho got 4 points v Armagh, he was scored a point and created a few more.
Jack always liked the diagonal ball from the number 10 position into the FF. Remember Sean oSullivan. Graham went up into that slot to provide those diagonal balls. Did all 3 points from marks come from balls hit by Graham.
If he doesnt get an allstar it will be like 2013 when Shane oDonnell got 3 goals and 3 points yet was overlooked for an allstar.
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Post by keane on Jul 26, 2022 12:22:19 GMT
Don't get the calls of some people for Raferty from Armagh in goals to be honest. Finie it's been a novelty to see a kepper come up the field and kick a score and link the play etc. However, his kickouts haven't been great and Armagh were out of the championship at the quarter final stage. Shane Ryan conceded once to a wonder goal and when the game was in the balance against Dublin and Galway he got his kickouts away. I think it's fair to note as well that none of the best teams think it's worthwhile playing with a fly keeper at the moment, so while it's eye-catching it's totally up for debate as to whether it is actually a net benefit for the teams using it. I think in the cases of the likes of Derry & Monaghan you are seeing fairly clownish stuff where guys who wouldn't get on D3 or even D4 teams as outfielders spend all their time blocking up attacking channels their more skillful teammates would probably rather they would get out of. In the case of Armagh you have a good outfield player whose kickouts, shot-stopping and general command of his area are all totally questionable plus you're down a good outfielder. There is a level of hysteria around goalies kicking points at the moment that is pretty disproportionate. It's just a player standing 15 yards out from the D swinging a boot and it going over. The corner back probably could have done it as easily and you could have still had a real goalie. Oh, and you lose on penalties with a midfielder in nets. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 26, 2022 13:19:01 GMT
Don't get the calls of some people for Raferty from Armagh in goals to be honest. Finie it's been a novelty to see a kepper come up the field and kick a score and link the play etc. However, his kickouts haven't been great and Armagh were out of the championship at the quarter final stage. Shane Ryan conceded once to a wonder goal and when the game was in the balance against Dublin and Galway he got his kickouts away. I think it's fair to note as well that none of the best teams think it's worthwhile playing with a fly keeper at the moment, so while it's eye-catching it's totally up for debate as to whether it is actually a net benefit for the teams using it. I think in the cases of the likes of Derry & Monaghan you are seeing fairly clownish stuff where guys who wouldn't get on D3 or even D4 teams as outfielders spend all their time blocking up attacking channels their more skillful teammates would probably rather they would get out of. In the case of Armagh you have a good outfield player whose kickouts, shot-stopping and general command of his area are all totally questionable plus you're down a good outfielder. There is a level of hysteria around goalies kicking points at the moment that is pretty disproportionate. It's just a player standing 15 yards out from the D swinging a boot and it going over. The corner back probably could have done it as easily and you could have still had a real goalie. Oh, and you lose on penalties with a midfielder in nets. 100% correct on everything there. It’s a fad and a counterproductive one at that. The best teams spot the space early and hit it quickly, the receiver then either takes on his man or hits a runner off him. Keepers don’t help this in anyway, they hinder it |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 26, 2022 16:30:20 GMT
1. Shane ryan (best at the number 1 and 2 facets of his position kickouts and not conceding goals) 2. Liam silke GY 3.foley 4.mckaigue Dy 5.beaglaoich 6.morley 7.daly GY 8.mcdaid GY 9.fenton Dub 10.grugan Arm 11.sean o shea 12.kilkenny Dub 13.david Clifford 14.walsh gy 15.rian o neill Arm 6 kerry 4 galway 2 dublin 2 armagh 1 derry On our side paudie Clifford, gavin white and graham sull very hard to leave out comer, conroy and tom sull very hard to include after yesterday no one in the country wouldve held walsh. Sull/Walsh and what Foley did to Comer is the story here - maybe the spanner in the works depending on what side you came out things on Sunday - that Fitzy has Comer on team of the year would put Foley in line for POTY but a defender will not get it, ah DC's fielding probably warrants it alone, his positioning - pundits did a good job explaining this. Now if only the professors of football on here who were there might tell us more about the aforementioned matchups. Some pilgrims are saying it was a poor match - hard to believe - Christ the Clifford/Walsh ebb and flow was a game's worth alone; skills were perfected and all on a big day, DC's fielding - you could list 20 notable aspects, so much bad for a 'poor game' .... I wonder who was on the booze, the keyboard warriors or the pilgrims? |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 26, 2022 16:51:38 GMT
1. Shane ryan (best at the number 1 and 2 facets of his position kickouts and not conceding goals) 2. Liam silke GY 3.foley 4.mckaigue Dy 5.beaglaoich 6.morley 7.daly GY 8.mcdaid GY 9.fenton Dub 10.grugan Arm 11.sean o shea 12.kilkenny Dub 13.david Clifford 14.walsh gy 15.rian o neill Arm 6 kerry 4 galway 2 dublin 2 armagh 1 derry On our side paudie Clifford, gavin white and graham sull very hard to leave out comer, conroy and tom sull very hard to include after yesterday no one in the country wouldve held walsh. Sull/Walsh and what Foley did to Comer is the story here - maybe the spanner in the works depending on what side you came out things on Sunday - that Fitzy has Comer on team of the year would put Foley in line for POTY but a defender will not get it, ah DC's fielding probably warrants it alone, his positioning - pundits did a good job explaining this. Now if only the professors of football on here who were there might tell us more about the aforementioned matchups. Some pilgrims are saying it was a poor match - hard to believe - Christ the Clifford/Walsh ebb and flow was a game's worth alone; skills were perfected and all on a big day, DC's fielding - you could list 20 notable aspects, so much bad for a 'poor game' .... I wonder who was on the booze, the keyboard warriors or the pilgrims? I was at it thought it was a good game, i watched it after a lot of liquid about 1am monday morning thought it was a great game and watched it again monday evening thought it was a great game. The only thing it was missing was a very exciting finish and also lads as we all know its only a classic when kerry lose ! If this wasnt a good game i dont know what is to be honest ! |
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Post by keane on Jul 26, 2022 17:00:42 GMT
100% correct on everything there. It’s a fad and a counterproductive one at that. The best teams spot the space early and hit it quickly, the receiver then either takes on his man or hits a runner off him. Keepers don’t help this in anyway, they hinder it I wouldn't be 100% sure that it's only a fad, funnily enough I've thought for years there was potential to exploit the fact that there's nothing special about the GAA goalies compared to outfielders (other than tackles in the small square). I don't know how exactly it should be done admittedly. Certainly what we're seeing at the moment isn't the gamechanger it's made out to be at all at all but I wouldn't be surprised to see it continue to be a feature but to become more useful somehow. Ironically with Shane Ryan who is probably a senior county championship standard outfielder you probably have as good a player as any to experiment with if you wanted to. Rarely see the champs attempting to reinvent the wheel though so I'd say we'll watch on and see how it develops. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 26, 2022 18:07:23 GMT
Don't get the calls of some people for Raferty from Armagh in goals to be honest. Finie it's been a novelty to see a kepper come up the field and kick a score and link the play etc. However, his kickouts haven't been great and Armagh were out of the championship at the quarter final stage. Shane Ryan conceded once to a wonder goal and when the game was in the balance against Dublin and Galway he got his kickouts away. Either do I, Shane Ryan is a nailed on All Star. Fully agree on Ryan - we had an amount done on the kick outs this year. Proof of this for me was the alacrity with which Ryan got the ball back into play against Dublin when teams were tied @ 1-13 each - another year/time ball would have been lamped out for a 50/50 possession - instead Ryan kept his composure, trusted his defenders & found a colleague. We are as good as anyone at this vital part of the game - kudos again to management for rectifying what was a problem. There was no better keeper this year than Ryan. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 26, 2022 18:11:38 GMT
100% correct on everything there. It’s a fad and a counterproductive one at that. The best teams spot the space early and hit it quickly, the receiver then either takes on his man or hits a runner off him. Keepers don’t help this in anyway, they hinder it I wouldn't be 100% sure that it's only a fad, funnily enough I've thought for years there was potential to exploit the fact that there's nothing special about the GAA goalies compared to outfielders (other than tackles in the small square). I don't know how exactly it should be done admittedly. Certainly what we're seeing at the moment isn't the gamechanger it's made out to be at all at all but I wouldn't be surprised to see it continue to be a feature but to become more useful somehow. Ironically with Shane Ryan who is probably a senior county championship standard outfielder you probably have as good a player as any to experiment with if you wanted to. Rarely see the champs attempting to reinvent the wheel though so I'd say we'll watch on and see how it develops. I have no problem with a keeper playing as an additional full back or giving an option when someone is in trouble but the idea of them as an auxiliary attacker just makes no sense to me. Shane Ryan plays the role perfectly, he gives an out ball option constantly and can break the first line of press. That’s what you want from a keeper but I’d limit it to that |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 26, 2022 18:42:47 GMT
Sull/Walsh and what Foley did to Comer is the story here - maybe the spanner in the works depending on what side you came out things on Sunday - that Fitzy has Comer on team of the year would put Foley in line for POTY but a defender will not get it, ah DC's fielding probably warrants it alone, his positioning - pundits did a good job explaining this. Now if only the professors of football on here who were there might tell us more about the aforementioned matchups. Some pilgrims are saying it was a poor match - hard to believe - Christ the Clifford/Walsh ebb and flow was a game's worth alone; skills were perfected and all on a big day, DC's fielding - you could list 20 notable aspects, so much bad for a 'poor game' .... I wonder who was on the booze, the keyboard warriors or the pilgrims? I was at it thought it was a good game, i watched it after a lot of liquid about 1am monday morning thought it was a great game and watched it again monday evening thought it was a great game. The only thing it was missing was a very exciting finish and also lads as we all know its only a classic when kerry lose ! If this wasnt a good game i dont know what is to be honest ! In you I have found one man who was sober and watched the game, and made the effort to report back to those who couldn't make it - so ta for that. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 26, 2022 19:08:30 GMT
normally the all ireland finals throws up the number of touches each player has - think david had something like 15 and walsh the same.
anybody have access to them and share up here? would love to see Graham O Sullivans numbers. seen it written today, the greatest every defensive performance in a final - danger man held scoreless, scored himself, 5 points set up and involved in another 4.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 26, 2022 19:37:34 GMT
I was at it thought it was a good game, i watched it after a lot of liquid about 1am monday morning thought it was a great game and watched it again monday evening thought it was a great game. The only thing it was missing was a very exciting finish and also lads as we all know its only a classic when kerry lose ! If this wasnt a good game i dont know what is to be honest ! In you I have found one man who was sober and watched the game, and made the effort to report back to those who couldn't make it - so ta for that. Another thing i will say bally is that when anyone asks why comer was quiet it was because your neighbour never left his side no matter what run he made jason was within touching distance making any pass to him a risky one and tadgh was always trying to put himself between the kicker and the 2 lads aswell. There was no massive turnovers or blockdowns but it was very impressive from my point of view up in the upper tier. Its one aspect you cant see on tv unfortunately! |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 26, 2022 19:56:08 GMT
normally the all ireland finals throws up the number of touches each player has - think david had something like 15 and walsh the same. anybody have access to them and share up here? would love to see Graham O Sullivans numbers. seen it written today, the greatest every defensive performance in a final - danger man held scoreless, scored himself, 5 points set up and involved in another 4. With all due respect to whoever said Graham had the greatest ever defensive performance in a final but Lee Keegan has had at least one if not more than that which were better. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 26, 2022 21:18:48 GMT
normally the all ireland finals throws up the number of touches each player has - think david had something like 15 and walsh the same. anybody have access to them and share up here? would love to see Graham O Sullivans numbers. seen it written today, the greatest every defensive performance in a final - danger man held scoreless, scored himself, 5 points set up and involved in another 4. With all due respect to whoever said Graham had the greatest ever defensive performance in a final but Lee Keegan has had at least one if not more than that which were better. these performances only count, when you win. especially in games where you lost by 1 score. watch it back, graham was keeganlike except better. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 26, 2022 22:44:31 GMT
Sure why do any analysis then. Jack McCaffrey kicked 1-3 in 2019 but I guess Dublin did not win that day.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 27, 2022 5:25:14 GMT
With all due respect to whoever said Graham had the greatest ever defensive performance in a final but Lee Keegan has had at least one if not more than that which were better. In fairness I think the poster said it was one of the greatest corner back displays in an all Ireland final and its hard to argue with that.Keegan gave brilliant displays from Half back in all ireland finals,Our own Seamus Moynihan gave one of the greatest ever displays by a full back in an All Ireland final against none other than Paraig Joyce.We are not saying it was the greatest ever performance from a defender but I have been at many many finals and I have not seen a better display by a corner back in a final.He Kept his opponent scoreless.He did nt foul him.he scored himself and set up other scores.Have nt seen better s a corner back in a final but thats just my opinion. I thought we were discussing defensive displays rather than specific corner back ones . Anyway Graham had a great game. Graham’s man did drop deep which worked out great for Graham, He showed fantastic leadership. |
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Post by southward on Jul 27, 2022 7:59:46 GMT
When TSG were handing out their TOTY and mentioning those who were maybe a bit unlucky, they said that Tom O'Sullivan lost out because, while he had a good year, he had a poor final. Then they included Comer.
Obviously the whole thing is subjective but surely some consistency of rationale isn't too much to expect.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 27, 2022 8:51:44 GMT
When TSG were handing out their TOTY and mentioning those who were maybe a bit unlucky, they said that Tom O'Sullivan lost out because, while he had a good year, he had a poor final. Then they included Comer. Obviously the whole thing is subjective but surely some consistency of rationale isn't too much to expect. One can expect till the cows come home but the All Stars is and always will be full of inconsistencies as selectors have pet loves and hates that always play a big role in who they nominate. Was it 1976 that Jimmy Keavney won player of the year but was omitted from the all stars? |
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Post by taggert on Jul 27, 2022 9:03:53 GMT
I think Comer's inclusion in the notional TOTY is almost solely based on his semi final performance when he scored 2-2 against Derry - a day he single handedly dragged Galway into their first All Irekand final in over 20 years. As such, Galway would not have got there without him - Walsh didnt score from play and only 2 other Galway players scored, with 1 each from play against Derry.
Jason Foley did a tremendous job on him in the final and Jason will deservedly get an All Star for his icing on the cake final display. The independent post final podcast featuring Philly McMahon was very interesting on the performance of Walsh and Comer in the final. Kerry's defensive structure has (rightly) obsessed on not conceding goals. Hence Morleys positioning as the extra man/stopper/sweeper is always more focused on action and/or potentisl action closer to goal. It explains the additional space Walsh had. It explains the route to Comer was not always there for Galway. Even when it was, Foley had the pace and aggression (which he has really added to his game in 2022) and fine discipline too, to compete and win any 50 50 duels.
Finally, 2 more points.
Tom O'Sullivan had another fine year and was a shoe in for an All Star before the final. But being visibly cleaned on the biggest stage (notwithstanding the point on space above) meant there was no All Star icing on his cake. He got the prize that counts tho and it wont mean he isnt a fantastic player.
Finally, DC is the easiest pick as POTY in many a day. Kerry simply would not have won the semi or the final if he was not on the pitch. He performed brilliantly both days. Refer to Kerry Tyrone 2021 as evidence on both counts.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 27, 2022 9:12:00 GMT
I think Comer's inclusion in the notional TOTY is almost solely based on his semi final performance when he scored 2-2 against Derry - a day he single handedly dragged Galway into their first All Irekand final in over 20 years. As such, Galway would not have got there without him - Walsh didnt score from play and only 2 other Galway players scored, with 1 each from play against Derry. Jason Foley did a tremendous job on him in the final and Jason will deservedly get an All Star for his icing on the cake final display. The independent post final podcast featuring Philly McMahon was very interesting on the performance of Walsh and Comer in the final. Kerry's defensive structure has (rightly) obsessed on not conceding goals. Hence Morleys positioning as the extra man/stopper/sweeper is always more focused on action and/or potentisl action closer to goal. It explains the additional space Walsh had. It explains the route to Comer was not always there for Galway. Even when it was, Foley had the pace and aggression (which he has really added to his game in 2022) and fine discipline too, to compete and win any 50 50 duels. Finally, 2 more points. Tom O'Sullivan had another fine year and was a shoe in for an All Star before the final. But being visibly cleaned on the biggest stage (notwithstanding the point on space above) meant there was no All Star icing on his cake. He got the prize that counts tho and it wont mean he isnt a fantastic player. Finally, DC is the easiest pick as POTY in many a day. Kerry simply would not have won the semi or the final if he was not on the pitch. He performed brilliantly both days. Refer to Kerry Tyrone 2021 as evidence on both counts. You could make a similar point re Tyrone 2021 and goals conceded. And that directs to Tadgh Morley POTY. I have made this argument but have to concede Clifford as POTY is the obvious call. |
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Post by taggert on Jul 27, 2022 9:16:29 GMT
I think Comer's inclusion in the notional TOTY is almost solely based on his semi final performance when he scored 2-2 against Derry - a day he single handedly dragged Galway into their first All Irekand final in over 20 years. As such, Galway would not have got there without him - Walsh didnt score from play and only 2 other Galway players scored, with 1 each from play against Derry. Jason Foley did a tremendous job on him in the final and Jason will deservedly get an All Star for his icing on the cake final display. The independent post final podcast featuring Philly McMahon was very interesting on the performance of Walsh and Comer in the final. Kerry's defensive structure has (rightly) obsessed on not conceding goals. Hence Morleys positioning as the extra man/stopper/sweeper is always more focused on action and/or potentisl action closer to goal. It explains the additional space Walsh had. It explains the route to Comer was not always there for Galway. Even when it was, Foley had the pace and aggression (which he has really added to his game in 2022) and fine discipline too, to compete and win any 50 50 duels. Finally, 2 more points. Tom O'Sullivan had another fine year and was a shoe in for an All Star before the final. But being visibly cleaned on the biggest stage (notwithstanding the point on space above) meant there was no All Star icing on his cake. He got the prize that counts tho and it wont mean he isnt a fantastic player. Finally, DC is the easiest pick as POTY in many a day. Kerry simply would not have won the semi or the final if he was not on the pitch. He performed brilliantly both days. Refer to Kerry Tyrone 2021 as evidence on both counts. You could make a similar point re Tyrone 2021 and goals conceded. And that directs to Tadgh Morley POTY. I have made this argument but have to concede Clifford as POTY is the obvious call. I think he deserves to be in the company nominated for POTY for the highly significant impact and contribution to winning league and c'ship. Game changing for Kerry. Only the sheer brilliance of DC and his ability to thrive on the biggest stage denying him.... |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 27, 2022 10:23:34 GMT
When TSG were handing out their TOTY and mentioning those who were maybe a bit unlucky, they said that Tom O'Sullivan lost out because, while he had a good year, he had a poor final. Then they included Comer. Obviously the whole thing is subjective but surely some consistency of rationale isn't too much to expect. In fairness I wouldn't begrudge Comer's recognition but Foley can hardly be overlooked then. Darragh points that Galway forwards bar Walsh didn't perform but there is no analysis of how we handled them, well bar negatives re Tom Sull on a job that is a damage limitation exercise - I think Darragh says that the reason Tom wasn't switched was that he was the best option, marking the unmarkable. Remember that the man in possession has the advantage and the traffic is coming against the defenders. It wasn't 'till I picked up on how Foley wasn't getting his just reward here that has me a late converter here, defending defenders. Then again we also have great attack and any team needs that. I wouldn't give a hoot about awards wance Sam is now home and tucked in, back where he belongs. |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 27, 2022 11:08:07 GMT
Another aspect of not switching tom was that foley and graham were well on top so id say jack wouldve said there was no guarantee that either of the rest of them wouldve done any better.
Walsh ran out of legs a bit understandably i dont remember him scoring or influencing the game much in last 20 so he was fully vindicated awful tough on tom but he contributed as much as most to us winning sam no.38.
On geaney some people saying he didnt play well since 19 they mustve not been at the mayo game !
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