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Post by jrmanula on Jul 4, 2022 19:23:13 GMT
Will Paudie Clifford make the team. He was marked out of it by both Tyrone and Mayo in the championship.
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Post by veteran on Jul 4, 2022 19:33:44 GMT
I am unconvinced about our ability to handle a fully fit Con O'Callaghan in the type of form he was in before his injury I would tip Dublin to win if was fully fit If he is not playing or playing only half fit, I think we have enough for Dublin At this stage , Dublin are more dependant on Con than we are on David Clifford Mossie, I can understand your regard for Con O’Callaghan but every player, no matter how great and there is no question about Con’s greatness, can be handled on a particular day. Witness the inimitable Tony Kelly last Saturday. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 4, 2022 19:37:51 GMT
Will Paudie Clifford make the team. He was marked out of it by both Tyrone and Mayo in the championship. Yes, yes he will. Was poor against anyone but so was our whole half forward line |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2022 19:49:01 GMT
Will Paudie Clifford make the team. He was marked out of it by both Tyrone and Mayo in the championship. He also blotted out Mayo's best player. This is the Examiner rating from last year's SF: "Paudie Clifford The opposition had done their homework on this man and he wasn’t again to drop the shoulder and penetrate as he has done so often this summer but did enjoy an extra-time revival - 7." |
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Post by homerj on Jul 4, 2022 20:30:56 GMT
Will Paudie Clifford make the team. He was marked out of it by both Tyrone and Mayo in the championship. Don't agree with this at all. He was given a Job to do in both games and v mayo he kept one of their best players out of the game completely He handled a pile of ball v Tyrone and was one of the very few players that lasted the full game |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2022 20:46:08 GMT
If you look at both teams, there are question marks over certain aspects of the preparation.
Kerry were not tested during the championship, until the quarter final against Mayo, Dublin have had no test to date, Both sides have injury concerns, Clifford, Jack Barry and Adrain, Dublin have McCarthy and Con O’Callaghan, the plus here is David has had game time whereas Con will be going in restively cold, as will McCarthy.
Jack has been there done that and built teams from scratch or modified, Dessie is relatively untested in this regard.
I think we are more balanced, the only concern is will we have the mentality to win, we have the raw skill, capability and man power, it’s between the ears thugs game will be won.
For me, I’d be starting Adrain and Jack Barry, there presence all year has been key to our solidified defence, we have managed to keep our nets in tact and the positioning of both these two have been one of the primary reasons why. Although Moran was impressive against Mayo, Mayo would not be as mobile as any Dublin pairing, therefore, for me Moran is kept in reserve. Starting Adrain means one of Moynihan or Stephen slips out of contention, I think the Kenmare man has the capability to get to the speed of the game if introduced, whereas, Moynihan may struggle in this regard. For this reason, I’d be starting the Spa man and keeping O’Brien as the man t8 be introduced to attack in the last quarter.
For me, Ryan, Graham, Foley, Tom, Briòn, Tadgh, Gavin, Jack, Diarmuid, Adrain, Seanie, Moynihan, David, Geaney and Paudie.
I think the above is our best challenging XV and one most capable of beating the stranglehold the Dublin team hold over us since 2009.
Kerry by three or four points, but keeping our net in tact is imperative.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 4, 2022 20:52:01 GMT
Hopefully Paudie can do a similar job on James McCarthy this Sunday😂
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Post by mike70 on Jul 4, 2022 21:06:00 GMT
Will Paudie Clifford make the team. He was marked out of it by both Tyrone and Mayo in the championship. Don't agree with this at all. He was given a Job to do in both games and v mayo he kept one of their best players out of the game completely He handled a pile of ball v Tyrone and was one of the very few players that lasted the full game Paudie was poor by his own standards, I did not see him handle a lot of ball against mayo, maybe against Tyrone, I am a fan, he will start the next day, but he needs to have more influence on the game, if not JOC needs to take action, paudie has been going thru a dip in form all thru the championship, he has set high standards. |
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Post by kerryfan83 on Jul 4, 2022 21:07:14 GMT
Hopefully Paudie can do a similar job on James McCarthy this Sunday😂 I wonder will murchan pick up Paudie🤔🤔 What other match ups are we likely to see if all players available Foley on Con Tom sull on Rock Morley on Kilkenny Who will they put on DC, Seanie, geaney |
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Post by mike70 on Jul 4, 2022 21:23:03 GMT
Match ups for me
Graham O’Sullivan - rock
Jason Foley - Con/small
Tom O’Sullivan - Costello
Brian Ó Beaglaíoch - Howard
Tadhg Morley - scully
Gavin White - Kilkenny ( Worrying, but need Morley for sweeper role)
David Moran - lahiff
D O connor - Fenton ( Jack slow to change winning team)
Dara Moynihan/Adrian - small/Mccarty
Seán O’Shea - cooper
Stephen O’Brien - Bulger
Paudie Clifford - murchan
David Clifford - fitz Simmons
Paul Geaney - gannon
The worry for me is our half back line lot of experience in dublin HF, plus with Morley dropping off.
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Post by kerryfan83 on Jul 4, 2022 21:47:42 GMT
Match ups for me Graham O’Sullivan - rock Jason Foley - Con/small Tom O’Sullivan - Costello Brian Ó Beaglaíoch - Howard Tadhg Morley - scully Gavin White - Kilkenny ( Worrying, but need Morley for sweeper role) David Moran - lahiff D O connor - Fenton ( Jack slow to change winning team) Dara Moynihan/Adrian - small/Mccarty Seán O’Shea - cooper Stephen O’Brien - Bulger Paudie Clifford - murchan David Clifford - fitz Simmons Paul Geaney - gannon The worry for me is our half back line lot of experience in dublin HF, plus with Morley dropping off. Seanie se wud destroy Cooper surely |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2022 21:51:20 GMT
Mike70:
Graham O’Sullivan - rock, Jason Foley - Con/small, Tom O’Sullivan - Costello
Brian Ó Beaglaíoch - Howard, Tadhg Morley - scully, Gavin White - Kilkenny.
I agree with you to a degree,. I worry too about the physicality of Kilkenny and in this regard, Tadgh is probably the most suited physically. As a man marker with pace, Tom may be the most suitable,, unless White puts on the back foot and drives towards the Dublin goal.
Alternatively, Tom Sullivan could come out on Kilkenny with Briòn taking Costello and Gavin on Howard, hard to tell, but that would be altering our team to cater for the opposition, which I’m slow to do,
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Post by mike70 on Jul 4, 2022 21:56:58 GMT
Match ups for me Graham O’Sullivan - rock Jason Foley - Con/small Tom O’Sullivan - Costello Brian Ó Beaglaíoch - Howard Tadhg Morley - scully Gavin White - Kilkenny ( Worrying, but need Morley for sweeper role) David Moran - lahiff D O connor - Fenton ( Jack slow to change winning team) Dara Moynihan/Adrian - small/Mccarty Seán O’Shea - cooper Stephen O’Brien - Bulger Paudie Clifford - murchan David Clifford - fitz Simmons Paul Geaney - gannon The worry for me is our half back line lot of experience in dublin HF, plus with Morley dropping off. Seanie se wud destroy Cooper surely I would assume Cooper will hold back and let seanie off , similar to Morley roll, so it will be about beating the defensive system |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 4, 2022 22:22:03 GMT
Don't agree with this at all. He was given a Job to do in both games and v mayo he kept one of their best players out of the game completely He handled a pile of ball v Tyrone and was one of the very few players that lasted the full game Paudie was poor by his own standards, I did not see him handle a lot of ball against mayo, maybe against Tyrone, I am a fan, he will start the next day, but he needs to have more influence on the game, if not JOC needs to take action, paudie has been going thru a dip in form all thru the championship, he has set high standards. I see Paudie starting but playing in a more forward role than previously- thought he was coming far too deep in Mayo game which negated his influence. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2022 23:18:44 GMT
Cam anyone see or justify Jack springing a bolter?
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Post by mike70 on Jul 4, 2022 23:39:23 GMT
Cam anyone see or justify Jack springing a bolter? The only way we will get a bolter is from the bench, and it will come if dublin are 4 or 5 points up, it will mean our transition from our defensive system is not working , the biggest risk area will be our HF Line imo. Jack rarely deviates, we prop have used the same 5 subs thru most of the campaign , if we are chasing some of those guys won’t change the game, hard to have any form for others as we have not seen them play. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 4, 2022 23:42:00 GMT
Small will mark Seanie. Byrne will probably start after coming back from injury to pick up Geaney, if he doesn’t then Geaney has a serious size advantage on Gannon or Murchan. I would have Beaglaoich on Kilkenny before White. Bringing Tom O’Sullivan out on him might happen too. Graham should run Rock, he won’t be able to stay with him.
For me Stephen O’Brien starts ahead of Moynihan. I still think there’s question marks around Moynihan in the big championship games whereas O’Brien is a more steady performer. Also Moynihan only coming back from injury certainly weakens his case.
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Post by exiled on Jul 4, 2022 23:49:32 GMT
So much negative views on here. The way I view this game is I hope Con and Mccarthy play so we can find out if we are good enough. No point in beating Dublin without their best players and going into the final not knowing if we are good enough. I think we are good enough to beat whatever is put in front of us. And if not then we have to accept that we aren't good enough. But I do think that if we win 1 then maybe a few will come.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 4, 2022 23:56:03 GMT
I expect us to win. We’re a better team than Dublin. I think it’s in our hands, if we perform to our ability and play smart then we’ll be in an All Ireland final.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 5, 2022 0:36:06 GMT
I don't think anyone is being negative, just pointing out the realities - it is 15 v 15 and it wouldn't be sensible to say we will every aspect of the battle, no team ever does.
If commentators said what insight they had it would make for more interesting debate - a comment takes on a different meaning if it comes from someone living among players, their families, officials and others in possession of fresh info, as opposed to an exile who may see 'em play for 70 mins pa if they are lucky. Goes back to my suggesting that 'game analysts' disclose whether they were at the game or lying on the couch.
At least we don't have fake newsers but that doesn't mean we can't improve. Maybe we might put a wee symbol in our profile - hey, I just did mine. What an amazing idea, congratulations Bally - maybe we can do more here!
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 5, 2022 6:02:16 GMT
If you look at both teams, there are question marks over certain aspects of the preparation. Kerry were not tested during the championship, until the quarter final against Mayo, Dublin have had no test to date, Both sides have injury concerns, Clifford, Jack Barry and Adrain, Dublin have McCarthy and Con O’Callaghan, the plus here is David has had game time whereas Con will be going in restively cold, as will McCarthy. Jack has been there done that and built teams from scratch or modified, Dessie is relatively untested in this regard. I think we are more balanced, the only concern is will we have the mentality to win, we have the raw skill, capability and man power, it’s between the ears thugs game will be won. For me, I’d be starting Adrain and Jack Barry, there presence all year has been key to our solidified defence, we have managed to keep our nets in tact and the positioning of both these two have been one of the primary reasons why. Although Moran was impressive against Mayo, Mayo would not be as mobile as any Dublin pairing, therefore, for me Moran is kept in reserve. Starting Adrain means one of Moynihan or Stephen slips out of contention, I think the Kenmare man has the capability to get to the speed of the game if introduced, whereas, Moynihan may struggle in this regard. For this reason, I’d be starting the Spa man and keeping O’Brien as the man t8 be introduced to attack in the last quarter. For me, Ryan, Graham, Foley, Tom, Briòn, Tadgh, Gavin, Jack, Diarmuid, Adrain, Seanie, Moynihan, David, Geaney and Paudie. I think the above is our best challenging XV and one most capable of beating the stranglehold the Dublin team hold over us since 2009. Kerry by three or four points, but keeping our net in tact is imperative. Great post and I'd be more confident if this was the team that started |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 5, 2022 6:33:24 GMT
I don't want to see Kerry play with fear.
I don't want them to play too defensive.
Either of these don't suit Kerry.
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 5, 2022 6:50:35 GMT
Did Barry Cahill say that McCarthy is fit to start next Sunday?
It was on Darren O'Sullivan's podcast.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 5, 2022 8:03:04 GMT
Would it be worth throwing stefan in to do a job on Con? NO |
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Post by taggert on Jul 5, 2022 8:06:13 GMT
Would be grossly unfair on Stefan. And on Jason.
Okunbar will only appear if things have gone belly up - and that will be somewhere in the middle 8.
I do look forward to him getting a league campaign under his belt - free from injury.
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Post by taggert on Jul 5, 2022 8:09:52 GMT
I don't want to see Kerry play with fear. I don't want them to play too defensive. Either of these don't suit Kerry. I'd agree with that. It also makes it easier for defences to focus on nullifying our marksmen when we select defensive types whose natural game isn't about threatening the scoreboard.... |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 5, 2022 9:20:06 GMT
I see we’re back to lads who have seen Stefan play maybe once in the last 3/4 years want him to start an all Ireland semi final and mark 1 of the the top players in the country territory.
You have to love the internet and all the interesting characters it throws up
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 5, 2022 9:56:49 GMT
If everyone is fully fit I think we all expect the same 15 as v Mayo but with Barry in for DOC and Adrian Spillane on for Dara Moynihan. Jack hasn't deviated too much from the script so I don't expect surprises now.
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Post by homerj on Jul 5, 2022 10:01:21 GMT
id be very surprised if jack barry is even in the 26 sunday. spillane maybe a sub, but surely even if both fit, neither wil start.
defo a couple of lads however whose position in that starting 15 is under threat, i expect 1 change to the team assuming of course David is ok.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 5, 2022 10:08:39 GMT
Would it be worth throwing stefan in to do a job on Con? Stjepan has played 30 odd minutes in a McGrath Cup and is completely untried at intercounty level, I would go so fair as to say, he is only marginally tried at County Championship level with Brendans last year, whereas out back six have been consistent and well unified to date, Jason is also in my opinion pushing for an star with the Derry full back. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind starting Okunbor? |
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