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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 5, 2022 10:28:22 GMT
Would it be worth throwing stefan in to do a job on Con? Stjepan has played 30 odd minutes in a McGrath Cup and is completely untried at intercounty level, I would go so fair as to say, he is only marginally tried at County Championship level with Brendans last year, whereas out back six have been consistent and well unified to date, Jason is also in my opinion pushing for an star with the Derry full back. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind starting Okunbor? Did he even play in the backs for the Brendan’s that much last year? He moved between midfield and the backs from memory |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 5, 2022 10:33:33 GMT
Did Barry Cahill say that McCarthy is fit to start next Sunday? It was on Darren O'Sullivan's podcast. Yeah. |
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 5, 2022 10:44:27 GMT
Kerry to win on Sunday because they have to.
This group has been together now since 2019 and need to prove they are good enough - they must possess the self belief & confidence that this is their year.
One of the reasons we fell to Dublin in 2019 was the sheer physicality of the Dubs but in the intervening period I feel we have caught up with them & will be more than a match for them.
I expected the same XV that started vs Mayo to take the field again despite word that Jack Barry will be available- one of the traits of JOC down through the years has been his consistency in team selection - Dara Moynihan was picked to start vs Mayo to get game time into his legs for this test - he will start again.
Our defence is settled & playing to a defined plan - think David Moran & DO’C complement each other well with Moran the holding midfielder & Diarmuid helping out at the back.
The Dubs are facing into the unknown for once not having had a test this year - the league is in the past now but their form was poor & they came back to relying on the old guard - all great footballers but maybe one step too many for them.
The Cluxton factor cannot be ignored - Comerford is an able successor but Cluxton bailed Dublin out more than any man during the glory years.
Kerry by 4/5.
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Post by keane on Jul 5, 2022 11:07:12 GMT
James McCarthy who has hardly burned a ball for 12 months. Has looked to be on a downward trajectory since the end of 2019. Will he start? He must be extremely rusty. I would expect whoever he trots out to mark on our side to be absolutely licking their lips.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 5, 2022 11:13:53 GMT
A lot of tickets are available on ticketmaster at the moment. Thyme obviously released additional tix.
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Post by keane on Jul 5, 2022 11:17:34 GMT
I also think Dublin's revival has coincided with them basically abandoning a detailed tactical approach and just playing more off the cuff. That might be devastating against teams who are worse than you but going down the stretch in a tense All Ireland semi-final against a team at the same level I'd prefer to be a team that is very well drilled and knows exactly what they are supposed to be doing than a team playing off the cuff.
We've been the latter routinely over the last few years, suspect we're more the former as this year goes on.
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Post by keane on Jul 5, 2022 11:18:28 GMT
SOB was very good against Mayo he'll surely be picked again
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Post by keane on Jul 5, 2022 11:21:10 GMT
I would nt be licking my lips marking Mccarthy regardless of his gametime. Mccarthy is a true superstar and has it all. Great fielder blistering pace and strong as a bull. Well able to score too. IMO he is the best wing back in the country since Séamus Moynihan. Dublin without Mccarthy is a weaker team. Agree if it's 2018 (besides blistering pace, don't think he ever had that). I think he's been well off it more recently and is beyond his peak. Still probably better than several of the Dublin back line but they are mostly there for the taking. I think he will be destroyed if he plays midfield and will be lucky to break even if playing in defense. We don't have long to wait and see. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 5, 2022 11:25:24 GMT
In Jack's previous reign there was usually a month between the semi final and the final.
A full month to get everything tuned up perfectly for the big final match.
Not so anymore.
In his post match analysis on the radio on Sunday Jackie Tyrrell said that KK will be doing little hard training between the semi final and the final. With the 14 day gap he said its too late for the gruelling sessions now. That graft was done in the month between the Leinster final and the final.
It will be all about analysing Limerick and deciding what the match ups will be.
So having regard to the way the hurling semi finals went and the fact that there is also only 14 days to the final for the winners, i 'expect something unexpected' on Saturday or Sunday or maybe on both days.
Hopefully Jack and his team have been targeting the semi final and final as a short 'two week championship' and they will unleash something special. The Dubs are pretty much in the same boat though but they path to the semi final was probably easier.
There can be no excuses from either camp anyway. They have had plenty of time to prepare and get their teams finely tuned.
Neither side have had to expend huge energy to get this far.
After the QFs i would have thought Dublin would win but that was before i heard that Con was injured.
Its all to play for now.
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Post by homerj on Jul 5, 2022 11:32:02 GMT
A lot of tickets are available on ticketmaster at the moment. Thyme obviously released additional tix. they held back the best tickets, to sell the others first. horrible shower to do that. the hill is off limits now too, wonder if they will put them back up later in the week once the nally fills out. just put them up and first come first served, not this nonsense they are going on with. a farce. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 5, 2022 11:35:15 GMT
The Cluxton factor cannot be ignored - Comerford is an able successor but Cluxton bailed Dublin out more than any man during the glory years Very very valid point. |
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Post by augustafield on Jul 5, 2022 11:48:58 GMT
The key to our chances on Sunday is not
to concede an early goal to the Dubs . We
have a well deserved reputation of having
a miserly defence . The Dubs and more
particularly their supporters thrive on goals
and the longer we keep them quiet and our
net intact the more doubt we create for them
and the more confidence that will flow through
our team.
Over the last three years our mental strength
and fortitude has been constantly questioned
and the drawn final in 2019 will be uppermost
in our players minds and any frustration being
exhibited by the Dublin forwards can only help
us .
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Post by homerj on Jul 5, 2022 12:32:02 GMT
i doubt any other county in ireland ever writes itself off as much as we do!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 5, 2022 12:34:47 GMT
i doubt any other county in ireland ever writes itself off as much as we do! I’ll be happy once we tog a full 15 and don’t make a show of ourselves |
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Post by john4 on Jul 5, 2022 13:32:07 GMT
i doubt any other county in ireland ever writes itself off as much as we do! I don't get the sense that there's an unjustified negativity on this forum. I think most people are generally of the same opinion of where our strengths and weaknesses are and are simply articulating this on the forum. Of course we can win the match on Sunday, but there's no point going into an All-Ireland semifinal without some caution. Optimism wins you nothing, it must be done on the field. Kerry supporters have high expectations. But we also understand how efficient we need to be to beat Dublin. 13 years since we beat them in the championship?!?. We'll need to be good. |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 5, 2022 14:54:38 GMT
Agree if it's 2018 (besides blistering pace, don't think he ever had that). I think he's been well off it more recently and is beyond his peak. Still probably better than several of the Dublin back line but they are mostly there for the taking. I think he will be destroyed if he plays midfield and will be lucky to break even if playing in defense. We don't have long to wait and see. According to lads in the know he was one of the fastest Dublin players at sprints. Deceptively fast only second to Jack McCaffery Having been on the same pitch as him i can tell you he is fast very fast ! He has a long gait thats all and isnt as quick off the mark as say white or mcaffery |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 5, 2022 15:13:38 GMT
It is crazy to think that its been 13 long bitter years since we knocked Dublin out of the Championship. If anyone told any of us as we walked out of Croker that August Day in 2009 what the next decade would bring we would have suggested they visit the St John's Ambulance men for a check up!
Sunday needs to be a day to right a lot of wrongs. I want a performance filled with passion, skill determination but also anger - one driven by 13 years of hurt and disappointment and matches that were left behind, driven by indignation over the GAA's farcical policies that facilitated Dublin's unprecedented successes and completely tarnished and undermined the integrity of the All Ireland Championship and the hard won tradition and achievements of counties like Kerry. A performance and victory built on the determination of a talented group of young men to show the world that they are Kerry and they are no longer prepared to exist in the shadows of the blue monster that was spawned by Croke Park.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jul 5, 2022 15:15:11 GMT
A lot of tickets are available on ticketmaster at the moment. Thyme obviously released additional tix. they held back the best tickets, to sell the others first. horrible shower to do that. the hill is off limits now too, wonder if they will put them back up later in the week once the nally fills out. just put them up and first come first served, not this nonsense they are going on with. a farce. Yep, friends of mine that I'm travelling with on Sunday could only get 721 at the end of last week, I was telling him that there would probably be more available this week but he didn't want to take the chance. He was going mad when he saw what was available this morning. I can understand why they do it, if they went first come first served the lesser tickets would be a very hard sell to the fine day / causal supporters once the initial rush is over, but it's still pure lousy by the GAA and Ticketmaster |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 5, 2022 15:17:58 GMT
It is crazy to think that its been 13 long bitter years since we knocked Dublin out of the Championship. If anyone told any of us as we walked out of Croker that August Day in 2009 what the next decade would bring we would have suggested they visit the St John's Ambulance men for a check up! Sunday needs to be a day to right a lot of wrongs. I want a performance filled with passion, skill determination but also anger - one driven by 13 years of hurt and disappointment and matches that were left behind, driven by indignation over the GAA's farcical policies that facilitated Dublin's unprecedented successes and completely tarnished and undermined the integrity of the All Ireland Championship and the hard won tradition and achievements of counties like Kerry. A performance and victory built on the determination of a talented group of young men to show the world that they are Kerry and they are no longer prepared to exist in the shadows of the blue monster that was spawned by Croke Park. If the Kerry players are driven by anger at GAA policies... you're getting riled up I'd say 😂😂 COME ON THE KINGDOM 💚💛 |
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Post by fitz on Jul 5, 2022 15:22:03 GMT
they held back the best tickets, to sell the others first. horrible shower to do that. the hill is off limits now too, wonder if they will put them back up later in the week once the nally fills out. just put them up and first come first served, not this nonsense they are going on with. a farce. Yep, friends of mine that I'm travelling with on Sunday could only get 721 at the end of last week, I was telling him that there would probably be more available this week but he didn't want to take the chance. He was going mad when he saw what was available this morning. I can understand why they do it, if they went first come first served the lesser tickets would be a very hard sell to the fine day / causal supporters once the initial rush is over, but it's still pure lousy by the GAA and Ticketmaster Am in same boat have poor enough tickets but am away this week and didn’t want to leave it to chance, so took best I could get at the time |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 5, 2022 16:40:54 GMT
It’s a very difficult one to call and much depends on the fitness of Con & DC. If Dublin don’t have Con then they will struggle, if we don’t have David then we will struggle for the craftiness and magic that can unhinge defences.
I’m not sure where we are at. I have been quite disappointed with our performances this year, so far. There seems to be a lack of energy in our play, at times and we seem to be toiling through our games rather than enjoying them? Maybe I’m wrong. I’m not sure how Seánie Shea’s fitness is, he seems to be struggling with the pace of things. I would love to see him flying into it on Sunday and showing us what a brilliant forward he is. Maybe he suffers from trying to do too much and is caught between trying to cover back and also set up attacks.
Our midfield was very competitive against a decent Mayo midfield. If we can work things right and use David, Jack B, Joe and Diarmuid to keep the engine room running at a high pace, then we will have the Dubs on the back foot. It’s a huge ask given the calibre of Fenton, however, we need to keep this man turning the other way as often as possible on Sunday.
Much of the pressure on Sunday will be on Kerry. Dublin are in transition, they have enough quality players to win the All Ireland if things fall right for them, as it did for us in 2014. We have lost important games that we should have won in 19,20 & 21. That certainly can get in on a team and lads will be under pressure to prove that they can handle pressure in a high stakes game. This isn’t an ideal way to approach a game against a team that we haven’t beaten in 13 years.
There is an air of negativity because we don’t really know how we are or where we are at. League form is irrelevant really as teams are at different stages in their fitness journeys. So what do we base our chances on? All we have are those against Cork, Limerick and Mayo. Overall none have been too inspiring. Cork were very limited but game. Limerick not up to it and Mayo lacked the class up front to put us away. Dublin have the class up front with a full strength team. Minus Con they are vulnerable. It’s the same for us, without DC we are vulnerable too. O Beaglaoich and Gavin White having to run the opposite way and defend as if their lives depend on it is something that needs to happen. Tadhg may not be able to drop as deep as Dublin will play with 6 forwards and he may be pulled out of position and open the door for Con or Kilkenny or Howard.
So much to ponder but so little substantial form to go on. Should make for an intriguing afternoon on Sunday.
My money is on a draw.
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Post by brigid on Jul 5, 2022 20:54:25 GMT
I am surprised that some people were not happy with Diramuid O’Connor’s contribution V Mayo. While he was wearing the No 9 jersey, he played very little around midfield. With Barry & Spillane both not fielding, Jack went ahead with his plans. Diarmuid was to play in defence covering off behind Morley and in front of Foley. This was to deal with any high ball into the full forward line. For this reason, the backs were given the freedom to go forward and score. Not bad, 5 points from the backs. Those who knew of this arrangement were not surprised that Diarmuid was the player who fielded that high ball into the Kerry goalmouth late in the game. That was the job he was given. Perhaps Jack would have used him in a similar position if O’Callaghan was on the Dublin team. A definite player for the present and the future. Well done, Diarmuid.
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Post by homerj on Jul 5, 2022 22:19:00 GMT
Yes, I agree too about diarmuid (as I do paidi).
Both very harshly judged v mayo. Both picking up excellent players and did a great job taking Both of those out.
2 superb players we have
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Post by meg2013 on Jul 5, 2022 22:50:54 GMT
The lack of flags and colour about the place very disheartening. I'm in north Kerry and you would hardly know there was a match on. Tralee town poor enough as well. How is the south and west of the county looking?? Our neighbours in Limerick are putting us to shame.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 6, 2022 7:20:26 GMT
The lack of flags and colour about the place very disheartening. I'm in north Kerry and you would hardly know there was a match on. Tralee town poor enough as well. How is the south and west of the county looking?? Our neighbours in Limerick are putting us to shame. It doesnt feel like a kerry dublin match its all so low key. Maybe its the likes of rte where we had one of the best finishes to a football game in years and all we hear is about the row. The hurling lads while it can get boring are always so positive about their sport. Football nearly the exact opposite |
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 6, 2022 7:58:20 GMT
The lack of flags and colour about the place very disheartening. I'm in north Kerry and you would hardly know there was a match on. Tralee town poor enough as well. How is the south and west of the county looking?? Our neighbours in Limerick are putting us to shame. It doesnt feel like a kerry dublin match its all so low key. Maybe its the likes of rte where we had one of the best finishes to a football game in years and all we hear is about the row. The hurling lads while it can get boring are always so positive about their sport. Football nearly the exact opposite Isn't it more to do with Gaelic football has turned into a boring spectacle. You watch sport for unpredictable outcomes. It was about skill about throwing caution to the wind. However now Gaelic football is all about the system. Passing back and forth. Recycling. It's not enjoyable to watch anymore. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 6, 2022 8:07:24 GMT
Yep, friends of mine that I'm travelling with on Sunday could only get 721 at the end of last week, I was telling him that there would probably be more available this week but he didn't want to take the chance. He was going mad when he saw what was available this morning. I can understand why they do it, if they went first come first served the lesser tickets would be a very hard sell to the fine day / causal supporters once the initial rush is over, but it's still pure lousy by the GAA and Ticketmaster Am in same boat have poor enough tickets but am away this week and didn’t want to leave it to chance, so took best I could get at the time I (naively) presumed that the tickets on Ticketmaster were the bad tickets left over after the better tickets were set aside for those who had put their money up front to the CB and other similar supporters. Totally wrong. My tickets came from Ticketmaster and were the equivalent of the worst possible tickets available to the uncommitted public at the time I placed my order. No priority given to the genuine supporter. |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 6, 2022 8:52:31 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: Kerry have to stop the rot - another Dublin defeat would be a catastrophe
Semi-final hangs on the availability of James McCarthy and Con O’Callaghan - if they play, Dublin win
The lie of the land for Kerry this weekend is very simple. They have to beat Dublin on Sunday and bring an end to this long spell of misery against them. People in Kerry are never not thinking about winning the All-Ireland but at this stage, I would nearly argue that beating Dublin is more important. Another loss to them would be catastrophic. It can’t go on like this indefinitely.
To me, this is way bigger than the hold Tyrone had over our team back in the 2000s. It’s gone on for longer and the Dubs have won more All-Irelands. The job for this current Kerry team is to break the spell that has lasted since 2011. Another defeat will mean more psychological pressure for the next Kerry team that tries to do it.
One win might be all it takes. That’s how this whole thing started, after all. For years and years, it was the other way around. Dublin couldn’t beat Kerry no matter what they tried, stretching all the way back to 1977. But once it was over, it was over. Dublin won the All-Ireland final in 2011 and everything got turned on its head.
That win burst the dam. It was probably always going to burst at some stage anyway but you never know. That 2011 game was the one Jack O’Connor always found toughest to take because Kerry were in control of it coming down the stretch, but Kevin McManamon’s goal changed everything. A few steadier heads, a few refereeing decisions going the other way and Kerry could have extended Dublin’s misery for another year.
When you’re the dominant team, that’s your priority. You’re not just winning for the sake of getting through to the final or winning to lift the Sam Maguire. You’re winning to keep the other crowd down. When it’s your big rival, it’s like Arnold Schwarzenegger says in Conan The Barbarian – you want to crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
There’s no good that can come from entertaining the idea that a certain team has it over you. There’s no logic to it. The wheel turns in every sport – your job is to make it turn quicker
We played Cork in two finals, in 2007 and 2009. They were huge occasions with absolutely massive fear and pressure surrounding them. Far more so than in other finals. Both times, we went to Croke Park for those finals feeling that, come hell or high water, we could not face going back down the road having lost to Cork. Couldn’t do it. It wasn’t just another final. It was way more than that.
Dublin have to be feeling some of that sense of duty and responsibility going into this weekend. I would say that on some level, it’s nearly as if they owe it to themselves and the players that have gone before them to keep the run going. I’m not saying it’s a big part of their motivation but it’s definitely in there somewhere. Keep them down, don’t give them a sniff of what it feels like to win one of these games.
And the opposite goes for Kerry. The rot has to stop somewhere. I don’t buy the idea of bogey teams. You’re either good enough or you’re not. There’s no good that can come from entertaining the idea that a certain team has it over you. There’s no logic to it. The wheel turns in every sport – your job is to make it turn quicker.
When you look at the players who have come through the Dublin team since Kerry’s last win in 2009, there’s probably no big disgrace in not being able to beat them. Between the Brogan-Flynn-Connolly generation and the Mannion-McCaffrey-Kilkenny generation, you had two separate five-star teams rolling into each other with the best goalkeeper of all-time orchestrating it all.
So it’s nothing to do with bogey teams or anything else. Dublin were better than Kerry all the way along and that’s why they kept beating us. Is it still the case? Sunday will tell us a lot on that score.
I don’t think the quarter-finals told us much we didn’t already know. They were very similar in a lot of ways. Neither Dublin nor Kerry were all that impressive but they still both won fairly handily in the end. There was a flat atmosphere in both games. There was very little spectacular in what happened. Most of all, you came away from both games thinking that what either team showed wouldn’t be good enough the next day.
The loss of James McCarthy and Con O’Callaghan was huge for Dublin against Cork. It stood out like a sore thumb because it slowed them down so much. Cork weren’t good enough to do anything about it other than hang in there. But without the pace and directness of McCarthy and O’Callaghan, Dublin let Cork think they might be up to the task.
Remember, Cork were only a couple of points down coming up to half-time in that game. They had made enough chances to be level but kicked a few wide and dropped a couple short. Even so, they still came out for the second half within a kick of a ball of Dublin. Nobody thought they were going to win but it was there for them to make a game of it if a couple of things went their way.
When Con O’Callaghan is in the team, the Dubs are always menacing. Same with McCarthy bombing on from wing back
They didn’t and the result was never in doubt. But go back and check how Dublin played that second half. They didn’t blitz Cork, they didn’t blow them out of the water. They didn’t score a goal or even create a goal chance. After half-time, four of the next five Dublin points were frees by Dean Rock. It was enough to pull the sheet up over Cork’s face but it was fairly drab stuff.
Now, I wouldn’t knock them for it. You go with what you have on a given day. Every other team in the country would sell their granny for a free-taker like Dean Rock. Dublin are the one team you never see looking to take a quick free to work a better angle. As soon as anyone is fouled inside the 45, they drop the ball and walk away. He has been some weapon for them that way over the past decade.
But there’s no denying they lose something crucial when McCarthy and especially O’Callaghan aren’t there. Compare the last day to the Leinster campaign where they were so ruthless in dealing with Meath and Kildare, teams that would be much of a muchness with Cork. They were like fellas in a slaughterhouse – they came in, hung up their coats, slit some throats and washed their hands on the way out. No fuss, no grind, no messing.
When Con O’Callaghan is in the team, the Dubs are always menacing. Same with McCarthy bombing on from wing back. They bring the bit of punch in general that just isn’t there in somebody like Rock. For all his brilliance on the frees, Rock has never been the sort of inside forward that scares defenders to death.
Dean Rock kicks the winning point against Mayo in the 2017 All-Ireland Final at Croke Park. Photograph: Dara Mac Dónaill
He’s always very good to come on the loop or to appear on the back post to palm home a goal at the end of a team move but he doesn’t have O’Callaghan’s relentless, goal-hungry attitude. He is markable. Whereas Con, when he’s in the mood, isn’t.
So obviously enough, the availability of those two crucial Dublin players is going to be right up there when it comes to the deciding factors in this game. Because otherwise, on the evidence of the last day, there really isn’t a whole pile between these two teams.
Kerry won handy enough against Mayo in the end but it was still a game that was in the balance 15 minutes into the second half. There was only a point in it. We were sitting there thinking that if Mayo could find their shooting boots, they could make a burst here and ask some serious questions. And seeing as they were in the more or less the same place against Kildare when Lee Keegan and Oisín Mullin dug them out of it, you couldn’t be sure they wouldn’t do it again.
This is my worry for Kerry. We just don’t know what they’re capable of yet. With some of these players, we are still in a holding position. We think they’re probably good enough and we certainly hope that’s the case. But the fact of the matter is, hoping is not the same as knowing.
I hate backing against Kerry. It goes against everything I grew up with
And it definitely isn’t the same when you’re going up against a team that none of these players has ever beaten in championship. Whatever confidence Kerry players bring into this game, it isn’t the confidence of knowing they have Dublin’s number. No more than the rest of us, they are hoping they have it. They won’t know until they go and do it.
I hate backing against Kerry. It goes against everything I grew up with. But if I sit back and look at this realistically, a Dublin team with Con O’Callaghan and James McCarthy in it is just a more proven proposition than Kerry right at this moment. With those two on board, I make Dublin favourites.
Now, if one or other of them are missing, that definitely tightens it. And if neither of them is playing, well then we have a different story on our hands. I am confident that Kerry have enough about them to beat a slow, ponderous Dublin.
So that’s as plain as I can make it. Dublin with the two lads, Dublin win. Dublin without them, Kerry win. Dublin with one of them – let’s hope fellas have been practising their penalties.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 6, 2022 8:53:08 GMT
Some yearraing off Daragh or a genuine take?
Who knows!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2022 8:59:51 GMT
I think Darragh is calling it straight as he sees it.
Spose he is being negative too!
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