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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 1, 2022 20:43:11 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties. Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency They should have Shane Murphy on for the penalty shootout I reckon. An out and out goalie who can concentrate on saving penalties for the whole 2 weeks. No offense to the Crokes man but he invariably guesses which side, using that 50/50 success criteria, my mother could stand in. I never understood the changing out the keeper for penalties - surely the starting keeper would be more up and in tune. Although the 'sub' would be fresher. |
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Post by clarinman on Jul 1, 2022 21:09:37 GMT
They should have Shane Murphy on for the penalty shootout I reckon. An out and out goalie who can concentrate on saving penalties for the whole 2 weeks. No offense to the Crokes man but he invariably guesses which side, using that 50/50 success criteria, my mother could stand in. I never understood the changing out the keeper for penalties - surely the starting keeper would be more up and in tune. Although the 'sub' would be fresher. I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. |
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Post by southward on Jul 1, 2022 21:20:23 GMT
Of all the things you might be talking about coming into an AI S/F, who'd ever have thought it would be penalty tactics?
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 21:20:55 GMT
I think if you save a keeper for penalties one could argue you’ve fallen short of your duties to optimise winning the game during actual playing time
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Post by exiled on Jul 1, 2022 21:21:44 GMT
No doubt Clifford for skill. Con is a man for the big day though. Has done it for Dublin in All Ireland final day more than once. I am hoping Clifford can do the same for us this year. Clifford has always performed on the biggest days. Outscored Con on both days in 2019. That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2022 21:27:30 GMT
No offense to the Crokes man but he invariably guesses which side, using that 50/50 success criteria, my mother could stand in. I never understood the changing out the keeper for penalties - surely the starting keeper would be more up and in tune. Although the 'sub' would be fresher. I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. My understanding is that Rafferty was one of their penalty takers. |
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Post by southward on Jul 1, 2022 21:29:52 GMT
I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. My understanding is that Rafferty was one of their penalty takers. He wasn't far away from saving one or two of them either. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 1, 2022 21:31:20 GMT
Clifford has always performed on the biggest days. Outscored Con on both days in 2019. That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. But Clifford has been marked out of it twice v Cork. |
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 21:32:22 GMT
Clifford has always performed on the biggest days. Outscored Con on both days in 2019. That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. Has any back done a number on him or kept him anyway quiet? |
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Post by clarinman on Jul 1, 2022 21:44:40 GMT
I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. My understanding is that Rafferty was one of their penalty takers. He was because he has played midfield or forward for Armagh up to this year. Do you keep an inexperienced goalie in to take one penalty kick or bring on an experienced goalie? Don't think it mattered in the end as the Galway penalties were so good. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 1, 2022 21:54:18 GMT
That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. Has any back done a number on him or kept him anyway quiet? Not really. He s very strong and always looking for action. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 1, 2022 21:58:09 GMT
That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. Has any back done a number on him or kept him anyway quiet? He was anonymous when they lost to Mayo last year. I think it was O’Hora who was on him, either him or Keegan. Also Tom O’Sullivan held him well in the drawn game in 2019. Would agree he’s the second best player in the country after Clifford. I’d probably have Kilkenny third. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 1, 2022 22:00:51 GMT
That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. But Clifford has been marked out of it twice v Cork. Ah come on, both games we won handy. Clifford has always turned up on the big days against strong opposition. I couldn’t care less to be honest if he’s not racking up a big personal tally in a game we’re winning easily. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 1, 2022 22:04:28 GMT
Having a pint last night, the conversation naturally turned at one stage to this upcoming fixture, an old lad with us asked how often would teams practice penalties - I said most teams now from U15's up would practice in a run up to C'ship games, so would be fairly standard. But it begs the question, who would our five be? Penalty takers are not necessarily the best ballers, more the ones with the biggest confidence and swagger. My five would be David Clifford, Tony Brosnan, Paul Geaney, David Moran and Killian Spillane, Seanie I recall in an interview dislikes spot kicks - what's the general consenus? Its an inigma Horse. I would go for Clifford Geaney Moran Spillane and Ó Shea but I've seen Clifford and Geaney miss. It's a lottery |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 1, 2022 22:06:15 GMT
But Clifford has been marked out of it twice v Cork. Ah come on, both games we won handy. Clifford has always turned up on the big days against strong opposition. I couldn’t care less to be honest if he’s not racking up a big personal tally in a game we’re winning easily. I'm just stating fact. Win or lose its still factual |
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2022 22:21:46 GMT
Does anybody know if the lower tiers sales are done yet or is it a case of they holding back the best seats just yet?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 1, 2022 23:10:43 GMT
Ah come on, both games we won handy. Clifford has always turned up on the big days against strong opposition. I couldn’t care less to be honest if he’s not racking up a big personal tally in a game we’re winning easily. I'm just stating fact. Win or lose its still factual What’s the point you’re trying to make with that fact? |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 2, 2022 7:25:48 GMT
That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. Has any back done a number on him or kept him anyway quiet? No chance of Con playing is what i was told yesterday. I would say its a reliable source. McCarthy in a big race against time too. He might play. |
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Post by taggert on Jul 2, 2022 8:11:14 GMT
Certainly would be one major headache averted.
I'm hoping for a dry sod and ball above all.
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Post by fitz on Jul 2, 2022 8:20:37 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Jul 2, 2022 8:26:17 GMT
Any injury update our side, there's been no word about how DC's scan went last Monday.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 2, 2022 8:36:30 GMT
I have said it once and I'll say it again.
Post match talk is far superior to pre match talk.
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Post by taggert on Jul 2, 2022 8:39:52 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 2, 2022 8:56:51 GMT
From my understanding it is basically impossible to predict weather that far out. |
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Post by john4 on Jul 2, 2022 9:08:23 GMT
From my understanding it is basically impossible to predict weather that far out. ,gfs,gfs,gfs®ion=uk&chart=overview,overview,winteroverview,accprecip&run=00&step=003&plottype=5&lat=53.374&lon=-5.980&skewtstep=0 Weather modeling is not 100% accurate but in general, using high levels of technology, these types of predictive runs are fairly accurate. Factor 50 for those of us in the Cusack ☀️☀️ |
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Post by thepromisedland on Jul 2, 2022 9:26:05 GMT
From my understanding it is basically impossible to predict weather that far out. From my time in my dealings with Met Éireann, really sound and very helpful people, it is possible alright with the new MSAT satellite technology available, eventough I miss the drawn out storboard charts and velcro weather symbols from the 1980’s, that was really hard work, and you had to be on top of your game then, but with technology now, true that in week, 2, 3, and 4, the accuracy diminishes quiet significantly by about 20% on average, which is huge, still though, it's a bit of hope, a chink of light, better than nothing at all, we all need hope now more than ever. After the one of the worst June's on record in Kerry, weatherwise, the coldest, wettest and dullest, and i thought the summer of 2012 was brutal, along with 2007, we need hope anyway in relation to the cost of living crisis, covid rearing it's ugly head again, the war in the Ukraine only 2,000km away Otherwise, we'll all deliberately get into debt by flying out to the Algarve from Farranfore Airport for absolute sun, it's that or the bog, to alleviate impending energy costs, sure with the weather at present, that's not even possible. I can never in my life time, middle aged, remember the world as dangerous and polarised as it currently is. As for the impending match itself, a good, fair referee, dry, ball, dry day will suit us big time, fast direct ball into space and pockets to our players, hopefully with Con and James out, will give us a glorious chance, as time has gone on, I'm getting a little bit more hopeful of our chances. Beat Dublin, I think we've a great chance of winning it out, while I'd fear the dark horse of Derry, Gallagher is a very impressive manager, if a little defensive in his past posts, I actually do not fear Galway at all, at all. I think Derry may take Galway in the other semi final. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 2, 2022 9:43:50 GMT
Conor Lane the man entrusted with the biggest fixture in the calendar to date. Can’t fault the Cork man, think he is very unassuming and in the background which is correct.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 2, 2022 9:49:25 GMT
It wouldn't be unknown for this Con and James crack to be a tactic.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 2, 2022 9:54:47 GMT
Conor Lane the man entrusted with the biggest fixture in the calendar to date. Can’t fault the Cork man, think he is very unassuming and in the background which is correct. GAA fixtures are not showing officials yet. Is this confirmed? |
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 2, 2022 10:06:53 GMT
I hope to be wrong next week but here is my honest opinion. The old saying, 'when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time' rings true for me.
Obviously, I hope with my heart against head that Kerry can win but I believe Dublin will win and have done so from way out, since this much anticipated and expected fixture. Why? I trust the proven evidence of recent years that has shown this Dublin team are repeatedly more street smart and ruthless, and ultimately have better coached team players with better decision makers in key positions. Dublin have proven repeatedly they can be trusted under pressure to show real composure and make the right decisions in the clutch moments, and many of their present panel remain proven winners several times over at this level.
Here is a given, no one can doubt the honest effort our Kerry players give and we know they are trying their best. However, ultimately Kerry haven’t been good enough or more accurately smart enough or composed enough when from winning positions they found ways to draw or lose matches – think 19, 20, and 21. The common thread is individual errors and bad habits at various stages continually cost the team a victory in the big games. When the pressure comes on taking the ball into contact and getting turned over is now a given. Not ruthless enough or creative often enough for goals – double check. Poor skill execution at vital stages under pressure has been a trait. If you have been paying attention - you’ve seen the 14-yard frees missed, the goal chances squandered or the Garryowen to no one of ball possession as a game is up for grabs. Before one boosts too much of Kerry’s ‘superior skill’ I would consider the growing ledger of evidence that has shown otherwise when the pressure comes on. Finding an an excuse every year for when things inevitably go wrong because of repeated errors and poor game management does not create an honest culture. By the way, Dublin’s fielding, handling, kicking and skill execution in general is top drawer and is a match Kerry.
You do not turn it on and off like a tap and it’s wishful thinking to presume otherwise. I’ve consistently been saying it for a long time that bad habits are bad habits! This present Kerry team have actually shown us repeatedly (3 years in a row) they cannot be trusted to see a crunch game out, and we have to believe them until they show us otherwise, even under new management.
I don’t believe the footballing culture is as honest in Kerry as it is now in Dublin. How else can you explain the acceptance of players repeatedly getting away with bad habits and bad decision-making? Moreover, does anyone honestly think Dublin would have patronised Limerick the way Kerry did in the Munster final? You see Dublin being nice guys and tapping it over? NOT A CHANCE. Dublin being ruthless and taking those goal chances more often than not is a given, this Kerry team passing up easy goal chances equally so I’m afraid. The absolute balls up miss of a gilt-edge goal opportunity against Tyrone in 2021 still gives me nightmares but this trait remains. Like against Limerick we won easily in the end against Mayo but our consistent habit of passing up or missing easy goal chances was there again.
Dublin show all opposition the same respect and if they can hammer you, they will, because they are honest at all times. Dublin to their credit began the eradication of the individual ego under Pat Gilroy and only the team matters and this philosophy has not changed. Dublin’s footballing culture underwent a sea change now well over a decade ago, the individual became subsumed by the team first ethos, and responsibility and accountability for mistakes made on the field within the team are a given. You admit and correct your flaws or you’ll quickly find yourself outside the tent. Dublin as a team more often than not makes far fewer mistakes these days than any other side, less wide’s, fewer turnovers, and it’s not by accident and it’s down to an honest culture alongside having good skilful players. I don’t take a blind bit of notice of the league this year as Dublin were recalibrating (probably for the last 18 months in truth) after more than a decade of consistent success and major turnover of players but they’re a Championship animal with the muscle memory of proven winners – make no mistake.
A real tragedy of this Kerry side - is the way they keep finding ways to lose from winning positions, and it would be so typical of their story - if they got knocked out on penalties having played out of their skins to take this game into extra time. However, I think we’ll all be spared that farce and the Dublin team can be trusted to once again see home a high-pressure game over the individual dependency of a Kerry side consistently repeating too many bad habits. |
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