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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2022 7:21:02 GMT
At last we agree..second to DC in my opinion. No doubt Clifford for skill. Con is a man for the big day though. Has done it for Dublin in All Ireland final day more than once. I am hoping Clifford can do the same for us this year. Clifford has always performed on the biggest days. Outscored Con on both days in 2019. |
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 1, 2022 7:58:27 GMT
A serious challenge is expected from Dublin on Sunday week and only a fool would doubt that after the last decade of championship dominance.
Indeed, a cornerstone of Dublin's success has been their focus on Kerry and while we were close on several occasions, the record does not reflect this and the Dubs will care as little. In this context, each veteran and rookie and everyone in between on the Dublin team will have an extra 10 % on their performance in next week's game.
Talk of pressure being on Kerry for this reason or that is all well and good but there is equally as much pressure on this Dublin squad to avoid being the first team since 2009 to be defeated by Kerry.
So it must be natural for their supporters to be nervous given the emphasis they have put on beating Kerry and what that means for them. Especially when you add in the fact that they are still an unknown entity after a handy stroll through the championship so far.
For ourselves, we know we can defend well. Can Dublin?
We know we have the forwards to put an opponent in deep, deep water in a short space of time. Do Dublin?
We know we have a team full of guys who will work their hardest for every other player on the team and give it everything. Do Dublin?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 1, 2022 8:23:06 GMT
I have come to agree with the poster re the positioning of DOC. Its midfield or nowhere. The only scenario in which he is considered for the half forward line is if Adrian Spillane isn't fit.
I presume Jack had in someway, shape or form been mentally preparing for the challenge Dublin pose from a long way out this year. In 2004 he threw a curve ball in starting Paddy Kelly. In 2009 he moved Declan to full forward in a swap with Tommy Walsh. Will we have something similar this year?
If Jack Barry fails to make it is it DOC and Moran midfield? Is it DOC that will get the task of blotting out Fenton? Or will Jack go unorthodox and task someone else with blotting out Fenton? Or will we just concentrate on our own game and system?
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2022 9:19:53 GMT
i doubt Jack Barry will be involved in the semi final but who knows.
same goes for Con.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 1, 2022 9:34:33 GMT
I have come to agree with the poster re the positioning of DOC. Its midfield or nowhere. The only scenario in which he is considered for the half forward line is if Adrian Spillane isn't fit. I presume Jack had in someway, shape or form been mentally preparing for the challenge Dublin pose from a long way out this year. In 2004 he threw a curve ball in starting Paddy Kelly. In 2009 he moved Declan to full forward in a swap with Tommy Walsh. Will we have something similar this year? If Jack Barry fails to make it is it DOC and Moran midfield? Is it DOC that will get the task of blotting out Fenton? Or will Jack go unorthodox and task someone else with blotting out Fenton? Or will we just concentrate on our own game and system? The reason we have all been impressed with Adrian , was his work rate and tackling ability, the comparison with DOC is all wrong, there both tall , that’s the similarity over, I don’t think DOC brings Adrian work rate to the game, so DOC MF or bench for me. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 1, 2022 10:51:53 GMT
The Options, in my opinion are straight forward, if fit, for me it's Jack Barry and DOC at midfield vs Dublin, yes, Moran was very impressive against Mayo, but one has to consider the weather and that AOS and his partner Ruane are very similar in pace size and girth to Moran. Whereas, Dublin in Fenton and one of McCarthy or Howard will be a different animal pace wise.
DOC is an out and out midfielder, as I alluded to in a previous post he was stationed at FF in 2019 replay and he was lost. Like DOC being best placed at midfield , Adrain is best played at wing forward, the key being who has the skillset to start or have the capability to make an impact off the bench between Moynihan and Stephen O'Brien.
I am a fan of both O'Brien and Moynihan, but I think in a perverse way, Stephen has the capability to immediately get to the pace and tempo when introduced, whereas Moynihan is a better starter as opposed to trying to get into a game when brought on.
Word in and around the Kerry set-up is Callaghan has a Tibia issue, a hairline fracture or chip. McCarthy too is considered only 50/50 if our spies have the finger on the right pulse - regardless, I would concentrate on our own starting XV and V replacements, with the availability of Barry and Adrain being imperative.
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 11:44:31 GMT
The Options, in my opinion are straight forward, if fit, for me it's Jack Barry and DOC at midfield vs Dublin, yes, Moran was very impressive against Mayo, but one has to consider the weather and that AOS and his partner Ruane are very similar in pace size and girth to Moran. Whereas, Dublin in Fenton and one of McCarthy or Howard will be a different animal pace wise. DOC is an out and out midfielder, as I alluded to in a previous post he was stationed at FF in 2019 replay and he was lost. Like DOC being best placed at midfield , Adrain is best played at wing forward, the key being who has the skillset to start or have the capability to make an impact off the bench between Moynihan and Stephen O'Brien. Think Tom Lahiff is Fenton’s compadre in the middle. I remember DMOC playing wing forward in 2019 replay but agree he was anonymous. I think Tom is our best bet for Con if he plays, strength being the one concern, Foley is too tall and can’t turn quick enough I am a fan of both O'Brien and Moynihan, but I think in a perverse way, Stephen has the capability to immediately get to the pace and tempo when introduced, whereas Moynihan is a better starter as opposed to trying to get into a game when brought on. Word in and around the Kerry set-up is Callaghan has a Tibia issue, a hairline fracture or chip. McCarthy too is considered only 50/50 if our spies have the finger on the right pulse - regardless, I would concentrate on our own starting XV and V replacements, with the availability of Barry and Adrain being imperative. |
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 11:45:22 GMT
Think Tom Lahiff is Fenton’s compadre in the middle. I remember DMOC playing wing forward in 2019 replay but agree he was anonymous. I think Tom is our best bet for Con if he plays, strength being the one concern, Foley is too tall and can’t turn quick enough
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Post by peanuts on Jul 1, 2022 12:08:55 GMT
I would have no issue with D'OC being picked at wing forward on the assumption that he's playing as a third midfielder which is really what Adrian does too.
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Post by Joxer on Jul 1, 2022 13:45:30 GMT
The last time we played Dublin was the 2019 replay and we started off that game by send hopeful 50;50 balls into the full forward line . The Dubs gobbled up these balls, came down the pitch and put it over the hill 16 crossbar. This happened repeatedly. Based on the evidence presented last sunday i fear a repeat as the same tactic of 'desperately seeking DC' seemed to be there. Now i dont know whether this is constructive criticism or negativity! Not constructive criticism I'd suggest Mick...perhaps a pre-disposition when it comes to Kerry football, to expect disappointing events of the past to repeat themselves? Maybe give yourself a slap around the back of the head and start humming "always look on the bright side of life"?  'Keep her lit Mick' and we might just have a good afternoon in Dublin on July 10th.  |
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Post by smalltalk on Jul 1, 2022 14:16:46 GMT
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 1, 2022 15:16:43 GMT
Having a pint last night, the conversation naturally turned at one stage to this upcoming fixture, an old lad with us asked how often would teams practice penalties - I said most teams now from U15's up would practice in a run up to C'ship games, so would be fairly standard.
But it begs the question, who would our five be? Penalty takers are not necessarily the best ballers, more the ones with the biggest confidence and swagger. My five would be David Clifford, Tony Brosnan, Paul Geaney, David Moran and Killian Spillane, Seanie I recall in an interview dislikes spot kicks - what's the general consenus?
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Post by oldschool on Jul 1, 2022 16:09:28 GMT
Having a pint last night, the conversation naturally turned at one stage to this upcoming fixture, an old lad with us asked how often would teams practice penalties - I said most teams now from U15's up would practice in a run up to C'ship games, so would be fairly standard. But it begs the question, who would our five be? Penalty takers are not necessarily the best ballers, more the ones with the biggest confidence and swagger. My five would be David Clifford, Tony Brosnan, Paul Geaney, David Moran and Killian Spillane, Seanie I recall in an interview dislikes spot kicks - what's the general consenus? If we concentrate on 2 aspects of play then we won't have to worry about penalties. 1. Our kick out strategy and a clear defined way of dealing with Dublin's We seem to be often caught between two stools. 2. NO TURNOVERS =================================== What about Goalie as one of our penalty takers? |
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 16:28:40 GMT
Penalties are solely a battle of mind.
ANTS - Automatic negative thoughts
Good penalty takers can squash ANTS. They believe they will score.
This enables them to decide where they will aim, provide the conviction not to deviate and the composure to strike as intended.. We will have practiced and should know our best 7-8
I wasn’t great at penalties 😁
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Post by john4 on Jul 1, 2022 16:36:36 GMT
Penalties are solely a battle of mind. ANTS - Automatic negative thoughts Good penalty takers can squash ANTS. They believe they will score. This enables them to decide where they will aim, provide the conviction not to deviate and the composure to strike as intended.. We will have practiced and should know our best 7-8 I wasn’t great at penalties 😁 Penalties are between the ears. Every fella playing intercounty can kick a ball relatively accurately. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 1, 2022 16:45:56 GMT
Having a pint last night, the conversation naturally turned at one stage to this upcoming fixture, an old lad with us asked how often would teams practice penalties - I said most teams now from U15's up would practice in a run up to C'ship games, so would be fairly standard. But it begs the question, who would our five be? Penalty takers are not necessarily the best ballers, more the ones with the biggest confidence and swagger. My five would be David Clifford, Tony Brosnan, Paul Geaney, David Moran and Killian Spillane, Seanie I recall in an interview dislikes spot kicks - what's the general consenus? Who will be on the pitch after 90 minutes and also how exhausted those that lasted the 90 mins will also be significant. I could see Paudie, Burns and Ryan also being potential options. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 1, 2022 16:46:24 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties.
Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency
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Post by peanuts on Jul 1, 2022 17:04:13 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties. Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency That to me is the biggest thing, if we can restrict Dublin to no more than one goal we'll beat them |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 1, 2022 17:04:16 GMT
There was expert talk re pareto 8020 rule and penalties, implied that goalies could only cover 20% of the area - of course the theory fell down as it transpires that it isn't the same 20%, i.e. therein lay the skill of shoot/stopper. Apols if unclear as it was a while back, others may recall it, may have been big soccer match where some pundit got caught copying a class act and couldn't support his notions!
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 17:34:45 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties. Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency That to me is the biggest thing, if we can restrict Dublin to no more than one goal we'll beat them Con is the main goal threat, not sure he’ll be right even if he plays but let’s see. He’s not easily turned over |
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Post by clarinman on Jul 1, 2022 18:09:25 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties. Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency Dublin were 12 of 21 from shots from play (57%). Kerry were 19 from 28 (67%). You'll get the shot maps on gaa_statsman on Twitter. |
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 1, 2022 18:51:55 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties. Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency They should have Shane Murphy on for the penalty shootout I reckon. An out and out goalie who can concentrate on saving penalties for the whole 2 weeks. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 1, 2022 20:43:11 GMT
Penalties have certainly caught the imagination - I hope Kerry bear them in mind but do not become too fixated on them. Win the game in normal time - its within our ability if we perform and I hope the sight of Dublin as our opponents will have the gander up and the team does the business without the drama of ET or penalties. Does anybody have the Dublin shot map and scoring percentages from their QF - I have had the sense this year that they are winning but their conversion stats are back on their winning era. For me the difference in a close game will nearly always come down to 1/ minimise goals conceded and 2/ scoring efficiency They should have Shane Murphy on for the penalty shootout I reckon. An out and out goalie who can concentrate on saving penalties for the whole 2 weeks. No offense to the Crokes man but he invariably guesses which side, using that 50/50 success criteria, my mother could stand in. I never understood the changing out the keeper for penalties - surely the starting keeper would be more up and in tune. Although the 'sub' would be fresher. |
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Post by clarinman on Jul 1, 2022 21:09:37 GMT
They should have Shane Murphy on for the penalty shootout I reckon. An out and out goalie who can concentrate on saving penalties for the whole 2 weeks. No offense to the Crokes man but he invariably guesses which side, using that 50/50 success criteria, my mother could stand in. I never understood the changing out the keeper for penalties - surely the starting keeper would be more up and in tune. Although the 'sub' would be fresher. I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. |
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Post by southward on Jul 1, 2022 21:20:23 GMT
Of all the things you might be talking about coming into an AI S/F, who'd ever have thought it would be penalty tactics?
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 21:20:55 GMT
I think if you save a keeper for penalties one could argue you’ve fallen short of your duties to optimise winning the game during actual playing time
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Post by exiled on Jul 1, 2022 21:21:44 GMT
No doubt Clifford for skill. Con is a man for the big day though. Has done it for Dublin in All Ireland final day more than once. I am hoping Clifford can do the same for us this year. Clifford has always performed on the biggest days. Outscored Con on both days in 2019. That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2022 21:27:30 GMT
No offense to the Crokes man but he invariably guesses which side, using that 50/50 success criteria, my mother could stand in. I never understood the changing out the keeper for penalties - surely the starting keeper would be more up and in tune. Although the 'sub' would be fresher. I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. My understanding is that Rafferty was one of their penalty takers. |
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Post by southward on Jul 1, 2022 21:29:52 GMT
I suppose the exception was the Armagh goalie last weekend who was never a county or club goalie before this season. Should they have changed him just before the end of extra time? Had they already used their 3 subs? Difficult for management to think of a goalie sub with players cramping all over the field. My understanding is that Rafferty was one of their penalty takers. He wasn't far away from saving one or two of them either. |
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2022 21:32:22 GMT
Clifford has always performed on the biggest days. Outscored Con on both days in 2019. That is why I have Con as no 2 in the country. If Con gets the proper ball in he's almost as unmarkable as Clifford as he showed against Keegan. Has any back done a number on him or kept him anyway quiet? |
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