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Post by whiteheat on Jul 11, 2022 19:59:55 GMT
The 61st minute point was a noteworthy moment in the match. Its been a very long time since I have saw kerry with that level of composure and discipline in the heat of battle. Begley was immense throughout and really stepped up when it mattered most. There are some great days ahead for this team. :-)
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 20:12:09 GMT
To all Kerry posters I just want to say yesterday's win ranks with me as one of my most satisfying wins like Armagh 06 quarter Cork 07 09 finals. Now after the euphoria of yesterday I want to comment on a few things before I head out for porter with a smile. I have been scepticalof Jack thinking he was gone very negative but I have to give credit while credit is due. One issue I do still have is our forwards.Sincr Jack took over I have yet to see more than 3 forwards play well on the same day but maybe that has to happen with the new defensive system. Paudie Clifford has been average recently but brilliant yesterday. Geaney very poor yesterday but excellent other days. King David was a King again in first half but became a foot soldier jn 2nd half. David for all his brilliance constantly fades out of games(although I have to forgive yesterday due to his lack of train ré injury). SOS fades out at times too but he is such an intelligent player. I'm disappointed with Diarmuid because I know he has buckets of football in him. Killian looked lively when he came on but as Kingdomboy used to say I think he is another half a game man. Morley is a colossus and once again I have to give special praise to Jack Barry. Fenton is probably the best midfielder in Ireland over the last 7 years. Jack probably not even Kerry s best midfielder but he is Fentons Neimisis. He is the one player that constantly curbs Fentons influence. Kerry are in a great place but hopefully we give Galway the respect they deserve. For now though let's enjoy this special victory. I know I will. I think a few scores are being "given up" in order to stop leaking schoolboy error goals. We saw how a goal can electrify Dublin for example. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2022 20:24:57 GMT
To all Kerry posters I just want to say yesterday's win ranks with me as one of my most satisfying wins like Armagh 06 quarter Cork 07 09 finals. Now after the euphoria of yesterday I want to comment on a few things before I head out for porter with a smile. I have been scepticalof Jack thinking he was gone very negative but I have to give credit while credit is due. One issue I do still have is our forwards.Sincr Jack took over I have yet to see more than 3 forwards play well on the same day but maybe that has to happen with the new defensive system. Paudie Clifford has been average recently but brilliant yesterday. Geaney very poor yesterday but excellent other days. King David was a King again in first half but became a foot soldier jn 2nd half. David for all his brilliance constantly fades out of games(although I have to forgive yesterday due to his lack of train ré injury). SOS fades out at times too but he is such an intelligent player. I'm disappointed with Diarmuid because I know he has buckets of football in him. Killian looked lively when he came on but as Kingdomboy used to say I think he is another half a game man. Morley is a colossus and once again I have to give special praise to Jack Barry. Fenton is probably the best midfielder in Ireland over the last 7 years. Jack probably not even Kerry s best midfielder but he is Fentons Neimisis. He is the one player that constantly curbs Fentons influence. Kerry are in a great place but hopefully we give Galway the respect they deserve. For now though let's enjoy this special victory. I know I will. I think a few scores are being "given up" in order to stop leaking schoolboy error goals. We saw how a goal can electrify Dublin for example. I think so aswell. Theres very much an attitude of: if you can pop it over the bar from 35 yards out on your bad side then FairPlay to you but you’ll not be gettin inside us for a goal. Even the goal we conceded yesterday was a screamer, an absolutely superb finish |
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 11, 2022 20:36:52 GMT
Comhgairdeas libh go leir from far far away. I've had to wait a while to make this post, yous have had to wait a while to receive it. Bain teathnamh as, enjoy the build-up for the third sunday in..............July. Yis deserved it on the day, we couldn't get away with yet another epic. The greatest rivalry swings again. Well there's a blast from the past. Hope you are doing well auld shtock |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 11, 2022 20:37:38 GMT
It was a game, not so much of 2 halves as 2 of periods, pre-penalty and post-penalty. Pre-penalty I thought Kerry had put in place the perfect foundation. They had prevented any lead from being built up and had used the "high ball in" to great effect - the penalty being the 2nd goal chance. Post-penalty Dublin got a lease of life. I wouldn't be too hard on Kerry about that at this stage. They showed great resolve and work ethic to win in spite of everything and are in the final in 2 weeks. No looking back just prepare for Galway.
Paudie had some game, the best in that role I've seen in years. Not having been in the development squads he still has a healthy rawness about him. He reminds me of Jack O' in the early part of his career before Mick O' groomed him into probably the second best midfielder of all time (O'Rourke told us yesterday, before the game, that Fenton was the greatest ever).
What can be said about Seanie's free kick? Eamon Sweeney (Independent) said it was the best one ever taken in Croke Park. Ronan O'Gara's obvious delight reminds me of what Con Houlihan said when Mikey Sheehy told him that George Best was his favourite soccer player as a boy. "It takes one to know one"
I must admit that I didn't think a performance of that quality was left in McCarthy. Great credit is due to him. As expected Kilkenny was as good as ever. Does the new defensive system result in half forwards getting a lot of freedom as that is seen as a secondary issue?
David C owned Croke Park in the first half - its a pity he has had 2 injuries recently. B O'B has developed into a great footballer. Shane Ryan has matured and become a more complete keeper. It was great to see Kerry hold possession for over 3 minutes while Dublin could do nothing about it and then finish it with a score.
Lots of positives and a few things to tweak.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 21:13:00 GMT
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Post by decondd2 on Jul 11, 2022 21:15:59 GMT
Don't like whining about incidents especially after a win but Cormac Costello's punch on Jason Foley was filthy.
Foley was prone in the air, the ball was at least a metre away from where Costello aimed a punch and the ball was gone.
Amazing that Paul Flynn thinks that Seánie pulling on a loose ball is a red but didn't think the punch was worth discussing.
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Post by veteran on Jul 11, 2022 22:06:46 GMT
Kerryexile, I presume you are being serious when you claim that Colm O’Rourke said that Brian Fenton was the best midfielder he has seen? High time Colm was put out in the high grass with Pat Spillane. He has been spending so much time in the RTE Studios , Dublin that he has gone native. That is a common malady. Colm here is your lesson for the day. Jacko is numero uno, To stave off impending dementia , occupy your mind with ruminating on who occupies the minor placings.
P.S. Moderator has reminded me that it was Shane Ryan rather than Shane Murphy who was our goalie yesterday. Apparently, in my report I inadvertently referenced Shane M. rather than Shane R. Indeed it was Shane Ryan who played and he made a huge catch under pressure directly in my eyeline towards the end of the game. He did other good things too.
P.P.S. I was sitting between a cluster of Dubs, all very sporting lads. Now , towards the end of game he said to me after Jason rose up to tap down a high ball to a colleague “ Oh look , Costelloe is after creaming Foley “. I asked him what he was talking about and he said when your full back went up for the ball Coatelloe came behind and gave him an unmerciful blow into the rib cage. I did not see the incident but Jason did go down and needed treatment. Did anybody here see what happened? Was it highlighted on TV? Well my Dublin buddy claimed Jason “ was creamed” in any case. Presumably, he wasn’t imagining a story against his county man.
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Post by southward on Jul 11, 2022 22:13:53 GMT
Kerryexile, I presume you are being serious when you claim that Colm O’Rourke said that Brian Fenton was the best midfielder he has seen? High time Colm was put out in the high grass with Pat Spillane. He has been spending so much time in the RTE Studios , Dublin that he has gone native. That is a common malady. Colm here is your lesson for the day. Jacko is numero uno, To stave off impending dementia , occupy your mind with ruminating on who occupies the minor placings. P.S. Moderator has reminded me that it was Shane Ryan rather than Shane Murphy who was our goalie yesterday. Apparently, in my report I inadvertently referenced Shane M. rather than Shane R. Indeed it was Shane Ryan who played and he made a huge catch under pressure directly in my eyeline towards the end of the game. He did other good things too. P.P.S. I was sitting between a cluster of Dubs, all very sporting lads. Now , towards the end of game he said to me after Jason rose up to tap down a high ball to a colleague “ Oh look , Costelloe is after creaming Foley “. I asked him what he was talking about and he said when your full back went up for the ball Coatelloe came behind and gave him an unmerciful blow into the rib cage. I did not see the incident but Jason did go down and needed treatment. Did anybody here see what happened? Was it highlighted on TV? Well my Dublin buddy claimed Jason “ was creamed” in any case. Presumably, he wasn’t imagining a story against his county man.Yep, Jason was creamed while he was in the air. A cowardly blow. Worse still, the game carried on while he was receiving attention on the pitch, during which time Dublin scored at least one and possibly two points. Crime certainly paid for Costello on this occasion. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 22:17:18 GMT
Veteran....go to 69 mins and 5 seconds to see Jason being fouled. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 11, 2022 22:25:18 GMT
Kerryexile, I presume you are being serious when you claim that Colm O’Rourke said that Brian Fenton was the best midfielder he has seen? High time Colm was put out in the high grass with Pat Spillane. He has been spending so much time in the RTE Studios , Dublin that he has gone native. That is a common malady. Colm here is your lesson for the day. Jacko is numero uno, To stave off impending dementia , occupy your mind with ruminating on who occupies the minor placings. P.S. Moderator has reminded me that it was Shane Ryan rather than Shane Murphy who was our goalie yesterday. Apparently, in my report I inadvertently referenced Shane M. rather than Shane R. Indeed it was Shane Ryan who played and he made a huge catch under pressure directly in my eyeline towards the end of the game. He did other good things too. P.P.S. I was sitting between a cluster of Dubs, all very sporting lads. Now , towards the end of game he said to me after Jason rose up to tap down a high ball to a colleague “ Oh look , Costelloe is after creaming Foley “. I asked him what he was talking about and he said when your full back went up for the ball Coatelloe came behind and gave him an unmerciful blow into the rib cage. I did not see the incident but Jason did go down and needed treatment. Did anybody here see what happened? Was it highlighted on TV? Well my Dublin buddy claimed Jason “ was creamed” in any case. Presumably, he wasn’t imagining a story against his county man.Yep, Jason was creamed while he was in the air. A cowardly blow. Worse still, the game carried on while he was receiving attention on the pitch, during which time Dublin scored at least one and possibly two points. Crime certainly paid for Costello on this occasion. Scandalous, and it was precisely where the ball was and which camera focuses on; where were the officials on this - under the noses of 2 umpires? |
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Post by decondd2 on Jul 11, 2022 22:29:43 GMT
Kerryexile, I presume you are being serious when you claim that Colm O’Rourke said that Brian Fenton was the best midfielder he has seen? High time Colm was put out in the high grass with Pat Spillane. He has been spending so much time in the RTE Studios , Dublin that he has gone native. That is a common malady. Colm here is your lesson for the day. Jacko is numero uno, To stave off impending dementia , occupy your mind with ruminating on who occupies the minor placings. P.S. Moderator has reminded me that it was Shane Ryan rather than Shane Murphy who was our goalie yesterday. Apparently, in my report I inadvertently referenced Shane M. rather than Shane R. Indeed it was Shane Ryan who played and he made a huge catch under pressure directly in my eyeline towards the end of the game. He did other good things too. P.P.S. I was sitting between a cluster of Dubs, all very sporting lads. Now , towards the end of game he said to me after Jason rose up to tap down a high ball to a colleague “ Oh look , Costelloe is after creaming Foley “. I asked him what he was talking about and he said when your full back went up for the ball Coatelloe came behind and gave him an unmerciful blow into the rib cage. I did not see the incident but Jason did go down and needed treatment. Did anybody here see what happened? Was it highlighted on TV? Well my Dublin buddy claimed Jason “ was creamed” in any case. Presumably, he wasn’t imagining a story against his county man.Yep, Jason was creamed while he was in the air. A cowardly blow. Worse still, the game carried on while he was receiving attention on the pitch, during which time Dublin scored at least one and possibly two points. Crime certainly paid for Costello on this occasion. It paid because we took a quick free with Jason down. We need to be a bit cleverer with Game management. I blame the referee for missing the incident but the point after was our own doing. Comerford got 4mins for his phantom injury as well. A stronger referee would have told him to get up or asked an outfield player to stand in for the penalty if Comerford was unable. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 11, 2022 22:30:29 GMT
Don't like whining about incidents especially after a win but Cormac Costello's punch on Jason Foley was filthy. Foley was prone in the air, the ball was at least a metre away from where Costello aimed a punch and the ball was gone. Amazing that Paul Flynn thinks that Seánie pulling on a loose ball is a red but didn't think the punch was worth discussing. It's what he does. Not surprising. |
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 22:32:51 GMT
I watched the game again this evening. God McStay is some dose to listen to, I didn’t realise he was that bad.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 11, 2022 22:50:22 GMT
Veteran
O'Rourke made a statement like "Fenton is the greatest midfielder of the last 20 years, 50 years, ever".
Yesterday was Fenton's opportunity to make a statement. He was just Fenton, give a pass, take a pass, have a few shots..
After the game O'Rourke did use the phrase "Come the hour, come the man" (sic) but he was referring to Seanie.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 11, 2022 22:56:15 GMT
Never got the Fenton hype myself, he's good for sure but he's no Darragh let alone a Jacko. McCarthy showed yesterday how great a player he is, never seen Fenton give a performance like that when the tide was against his team. Some bad wides when they needed scores.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 11, 2022 23:01:45 GMT
Veteran O'Rourke made a statement like "Fenton is the greatest midfielder of the last 20 years, 50 years, ever". Yesterday was Fenton's opportunity to make a statement. He was just Fenton, give a pass, take a pass, have a few shots.. After the game O'Rourke did use the phrase "Come the hour, come the man" (sic) but he was referring to Seanie. I’ve thought for a long time Fenton is very overrated. In my opinion he was very good when he broke on the scene in 2015, in 2016 and in 2017 but since then has been average enough. I’m always amazed at some of the talk around him. It’s not just because he’s from Dublin either, I rate O’Callaghan and Kilkenny in the top 5 footballers in the country and McCarthy as probably player of the decade. Fenton I find never stands up when the heat is really on in a game. He probably is the best midfielder around due to a lack of any strong competition but I wouldn’t have him in the top 10 footballers in the country. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 11, 2022 23:02:40 GMT
Paul Flynn was some footballer but has seriously harmed his reputation post retirement. McConville disecting him last year will probably never be topped.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 23:11:55 GMT
That podcast i posted up earlier today with Oisin on is really good.
Tony Leen, Paul Rouse Bryan Sheehan on it too.
I find Oisin to be riveting to listen to. He has enough time in that format to articulate his views.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2022 23:12:09 GMT
I am sitting down now to watch from minute 40 to that moment of ecstasy when Seán O'Shea graced us with an incredible mix of character and skill.
For Dara M's point there was an incisive foot pass to Killian Sp. Kerry would only score four more points in the next 30 minutes of play. A minute later Lahiff kicks the ball into P Small who points. A minute later BÓB finds K. Spillane deep in Dublin territory. Twice Spillane does not really take on his man but recycles. Last time it led to Moynihan point. Cliffords kicks the ball 40 yards out to Morley. Clifford is tired at this stage. Minute 44. Moran drops a routine ball and Dublin go up the pitch. Insane finish. Dublin attacked with ferocious pace and intent.
Clifford almost immediately responds with a trademark score. Only Kerry's second wide. Davey Byrne with a kick into FF line. Paddy Small takes on his man, it is a definite goal chance but Kerry defend so resolutely and it ends with a Kilkenny fisted point. Dublin pressing high and Kerry are playing it around in the backs. Graham O'Sullivan on the ball again. For a third time a kick pass to K Spillane high right. Spillane takes on his man and kicks a wide. James McCarthy is after carrying the ball at pace for 50 yards and kicks it in again. Great work by Barry and Morley. Scores are now hard earned.
Kerry with a very promising attack but SOS well beaten out to the ball by the Dublin back. Diarmuid OC gets his yellow for persistent following. It is cynical but very effective. Dublin taking on Kerry now.
Minute 50 and Kerry are marking ferocious tight and Dublin go backwards. I think GOS is staying near goal with his man out near the corner of the pitch. Good I guess. 50.21 big turnover. Moran kickpass leads to point for Paudie Clifford. Good counterattack. Moran off, Adrian Sp on.
Kick into Dublin FF line eaten up by swarming Kerry bees. Adrian Sp is starting the counter and gets penalised for being stronger than Gannon: a fair shoulder Kerry tiring a little?
Fenton kicks a bad wide. Boomer by Ryan to Paudie Clifford. Its a big chance. Big Spillane runs into Dublin back and K Sp can't pick up the spilled ball. Another cynical free by Kerry. A yellow. Dublin probing around and inside the Kerry 45. Kerry defense immense and another counter is on. Kick into PC in midfield well won and won a free. A minute later and Kerry have the ball in the backs and Dublin are not pushing up on them. Kerry have the ball for an age. FF line not moving. Back into Kerry half again. I am cursing this play. There is a game to be won and this isn't siezing the day. Maybe Kerry are very tired and need this break? There are ten minutes to play. Kerry can't mind a two point lead. I think this is bad football. A turnover here could be costly. Why not attack? Shades of 2011 and end of first 2019 match. I don't like it. Finally BÓB takes the game on and bursts through the middle and good PC movement sees Kerry score a point on 60.30. They held onto the ball for more than four minutes. If you score every four minutes in general you might not win the match. How is this good? BÓB made the difference here. Attack. Paul Murphy comes on.
Dublin haven't scored for 15 minutes. Backs on top. James McCarthy wonder score at 61.36 then punches resulting kick out. Kilkenny scores on 62.10. So that is two points in 35 seconds when Kerry took four minutes to score one. Game management? I don't like it.
Paul Murphy picks up kickout and bursts down the wing. But is turned. Clifford kicks the ball 40 yards backwards. Another wide by Clifford. So Kerry are attacking but have kicked three wides. Clifford is tired. Understandable.
Skyed ball taken comfortably by Ryan on 65 minutes. Kerry playing a lot inside their own backs. That gobsite McStay remarks that players are tired. Big kick pass out to right wing. Morley done for overcarrying. Big Joe on for White Kerry's final sub. Run by McMahon but Kerry defence is outstanding.
Nice move by Kerry, lovely kick by TOS, DOC drops it short. Not ideal. John Small big boomer in but Jason Foley wins it very well. No fear or nerves in Kerry defending. Jason Foley taken out of it in the air with a very dirty hit. Nearly minute 68. Kick into Clifford well won by the Dublin back. James McCarthy won't quit. Another possible goal opening denied by Kerry backs but huge score by Kilkenny. It is 1-12 a piece now. Kerry have kicked only four points in this half.
BÓB a massive kick down the line. More interminable play and K Spillane spills it (and fouls cynically).
Minute 72 Scully balloons it. BÓB a hard run to collect a kick out. Moynihan wins it, turns, and boots it in. SOS buys a free. It is the first time in over 30 minutes where Kerry have kicked it towards the #14 position. Tap over minute 73.
Kerry don't press. Fenton wonderful kick into Small for the mark that becomes a free. Minute 74.
NOW the game is to be won. Can Kerry go out and win it? Big Dublin press. BÓB again full of running. A free. Paul Murphy attacks, takes a risk, tries to win the game. And Clifford bursts out to meet it. The rest is history.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2022 23:17:32 GMT
Paul Flynn was some footballer but has seriously harmed his reputation post retirement. McConville disecting him last year will probably never be topped. I like Flynn a lot on Second Captains but not when he is commenting on Dublin. He seems to have a persecution complex. |
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Post by mossie on Jul 11, 2022 23:23:53 GMT
Never got the Fenton hype myself, he's good for sure but he's no Darragh let alone a Jacko. McCarthy showed yesterday how great a player he is, never seen Fenton give a performance like that when the tide was against his team. Some bad wides when they needed scores. ah here now Fenton is blue chip, sure we decide our midfield selection with him in mind Not as good as Jacko but ahead of Dara is my assessment McCarthy is some baller |
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Post by keane on Jul 11, 2022 23:39:25 GMT
If I write a less accurate post than this anytime I'll be doing well! There was certainly more life in the old dog than I thought. Also had a eye on his rate of locomotion and you were right Mick he is much, much quicker than I gave him credit for. He's a mighty man, hard to imagine coming out of a loss with any more credit. Hope he doesn't have too many of those performances left! Wow fair play to you Keane. You could ve just let it slide but you acknowledged it. Yeah he is a super player but we prevailed T. G. No problem, I would have always said he's one of the best we've ever seen but I didn't think he had performances like that left in him. Funny enough I feel a bit better about it after since I heard a couple of his former teammates say the same thing. I was totally wrong about his pace though and happy to stand corrected. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 12, 2022 6:19:57 GMT
Veteran O'Rourke made a statement like "Fenton is the greatest midfielder of the last 20 years, 50 years, ever". Yesterday was Fenton's opportunity to make a statement. He was just Fenton, give a pass, take a pass, have a few shots.. After the game O'Rourke did use the phrase "Come the hour, come the man" (sic) but he was referring to Seanie. Until he sees Jack Barry and he touches the ball about 5 times in the whole match |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 12, 2022 6:50:50 GMT
I was at this game on Sunday. I want to put this out there. Could one of the two females who were sitting in section 305 lower cussask row NN seats 15 and 16 contact me here? You are leaving yourself open for a catfishing here |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 12, 2022 7:59:55 GMT
A few months ago the same Colm oRourke said Paul Conroy is the best midfielder in the country.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 12, 2022 8:45:09 GMT
I watched the game again this evening. God McStay is some dose to listen to, I didn’t realise he was that bad. Me too , had watched the Sky coverage when I got home from the match Sunday. After work last night I stuck on the RTE coverage, Mc Stay is horrendous. Constantly turning Kerry actions into filthy and dangerous where Comerford's time wasting was grand in his eyes. I've said it for years RTE need to totally revamp their GAA punditry and possibly euthanise TSG. A modern fresh approach with articulate presenters and analysts. |
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Post by kot on Jul 12, 2022 9:04:25 GMT
Ah lads, cotton on a small bit. Fenton is top class. He kicked a few wides for sure yesterday but it is his SECOND ever championship loss in 8 seasons!
Dublin became a juggernaut when he came and it's no coincidence. he kicked one glorious one in the second half and played a pin point ball into Small's hands for their final score when the pressure was seriously on from 30/40 yards. If DM had done that, we would be rightly exalting him.
Dara for sure one of the greats but I also remember him in big games kicking a few wayward ones when things were going against us in '05 for example. That doesn't make him any less of a hero and if people were using that as a stick to beat him with and calling him "overrated" we'd be all over the internet with virtual pitchforks!
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 12, 2022 9:36:07 GMT
I fully agree that McStay is hard work and conveys no worthwhile information. Football punditry is very poor. RTE seems to want to ingratiate itself with the GAA by sweeping all the dirt under the carpet. A commentator will very rarely disagree with a referee decision. Even when a new recruit looks like breaking ranks he /she is set straight. On a few occasions even Eamonn Fitz has told us he changed his mind after seeing something in slow motion, his real-time opinion reversed. How they could discuss the Armagh vs Galway game with no reference to what went on during the game was like talking about a flower show in Ukraine.
On a completely different topic, Dublin now find themselves at a crossroads tactically. A lot of their success was based on overcoming the blanket defence by recycling the ball until the defence could be breached. They had found the antibody to the Ulster problem. On Sunday Kerry had the antibody to their antibody. That video will be studied long and hard over the winter. Every team will be doing it next year. The key thing for them is that there were several opportunities for them to kick a traditional point from 30/35 metres but they stayed with the drill. Next year they will have to decide whether players have licence to shoot, something that would give Jim Gavin a heart attack or stay with a system that has been cracked.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 12, 2022 10:02:36 GMT
It’s not even just against Barry, I haven’t been impressed with Fenton in years. He’s living off his reputation. He doesn’t have anywhere near the impact on a big game Kilkenny or Con O’Callaghan has or Jack McCaffrey when he was playing.
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