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Post by exiled on Jul 11, 2022 12:35:57 GMT
Great to win it but, bar a 10 minute spell in the first half I thought we were poor enough at times. David looked out on his feet for the last 20 - 25 mins so you would wonder what if any training he has done since the Cork game. Paudie Clifford really took the game by the scruff of the neck when we needed some leadership around the middle. I thought our half forward line apart from Seanie were pretty poor overall especially in an attacking sense. Then again the dublin half backs really got into the game once we made the switches in the half forward line. Killian won a pile of ball in the corner when he came on. Paul Geaney was ineffectual at best and to be honest without watching a recording of the game the only thing I can remember him doing was getting stuck in for the messing after the penalty miss. Our defence won it for us in the end, if you told me yesterday morning Kerry would only score 1-14 over 81 minutes of football I would have said we would lose by 7 - 8 points. Good post. A realistic assessment. My view is"A lot done a lot more to do.". Yesterday's performance won't beat Galway imo. |
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Post by exiled on Jul 11, 2022 12:37:59 GMT
Kerry had the best fielder in the country starting today but how many times did Ryan try and hit him when he had to go long. Once I think and then he put over the sideline . Kerry got a lot of scores from restarts by Shane today. May be so but my point is that when he went long it was seldom to David |
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 11, 2022 13:29:59 GMT
For those of us in the centre of the Canal End we had the best seat in the house when Seánie brought said house down. It was incredible to see the flight of the ball arrow towards the black spot. The only man in the stadium with that ability and to nail it was simply sensational. How many times have we been in those sticky situations and its us that have come up short. Unfamiliar territory.. Perhaps that explains my rather muted celebrations after when all around me were behaving otherwise.
Hats off to the Kerry defenders as a unit. I thought to a man they seemed to know exactly when to strike the Dublin attacker and disrupt, dislodge time and time again. For all the stick these boys have taken this was the simply awesome stuff. The pride I had for them when the pressure was at its peak goes beyond any words in the dictionary.
There was a feel of 2009 about this one. Was the changing of the guard about to happen or was there another sting in The Dubs. Massive credit to Dublin. Their will to win is second to none. Their giants of leaders did what leaders do. We're blessed to have the likes of Kilkenny and McCarthy on show and do what they do. Did we expect anything less. What a tussle Ó Beaglaoich had with Kilkenny. I thought the bravery shown by Ó Beaglaoich was extraordinary to make himself available time and time again in that final quarter for the kick out. This when Kilkenny was in his pomp. Ó Beaglaoich refused to shirk. A simple drop or spill of the ball with his opposite number bearing down on him would have spelt doom. Fitting it was that man again who got the attack going right at the death.
I certainly was rather flat leaving the stadium. The malfunction of our attack was not sitting well. However the fact that we won the tightest of games was more than making up for it.
Our heroics in defence and Seánies sensation will mean nothing if we don't finish the job.
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Post by dodgyknees on Jul 11, 2022 13:30:28 GMT
Great to win it but, bar a 10 minute spell in the first half I thought we were poor enough at times. David looked out on his feet for the last 20 - 25 mins so you would wonder what if any training he has done since the Cork game. Paudie Clifford really took the game by the scruff of the neck when we needed some leadership around the middle. I thought our half forward line apart from Seanie were pretty poor overall especially in an attacking sense. Then again the dublin half backs really got into the game once we made the switches in the half forward line. Killian won a pile of ball in the corner when he came on. Paul Geaney was ineffectual at best and to be honest without watching a recording of the game the only thing I can remember him doing was getting stuck in for the messing after the penalty miss. Our defence won it for us in the end, if you told me yesterday morning Kerry would only score 1-14 over 81 minutes of football I would have said we would lose by 7 - 8 points. Look i flagged this about David already. He had calf injury and then turned the ankle v Mayo so he had to rest ankle which meant he would nt have been running. He might have done weights and a bit of light jogging but he was always goi g to struggle during a high tempo game in the heat. Same as Jack Barry so well done to both. Jack O Connor mentioned he has only trained for around 2 weeks out of the last 7/8 weeks.. if that's the case it's remarkable how sharp he was! |
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
Look i flagged this about David already. He had calf injury and then turned the ankle v Mayo so he had to rest ankle which meant he would nt have been running. He might have done weights and a bit of light jogging but he was always goi g to struggle during a high tempo game in the heat. Same as Jack Barry so well done to both. Jack O Connor mentioned he has only trained for around 2 weeks out of the last 7/8 weeks.. if that's the case it's remarkable how sharp he was! Hopefully with another 2 weeks light training under his belt he'll be 100% for the final. |
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 13:51:23 GMT
For those of us in the centre of the Canal End we had the best seat in the house when Seánie brought said house down. It was incredible to see the flight of the ball arrow towards the black spot. The only man in the stadium with that ability and to nail it was simply sensational. How many times have we been in those sticky situations and its us that have come up short. Unfamiliar territory.. Perhaps that explains my rather muted celebrations after when all around me were behaving otherwise. Hats off to the Kerry defenders as a unit. I thought to a man they seemed to know exactly when to strike the Dublin attacker and disrupt, dislodge time and time again. For all the stick these boys have taken this was the simply awesome stuff. The pride I had for them when the pressure was at its peak goes beyond any words in the dictionary. There was a feel of 2009 about this one. Was the changing of the guard about to happen or was there another sting in The Dubs. Massive credit to Dublin. Their will to win is second to none. Their giants of leaders did what leaders do. We're blessed to have the likes of Kilkenny and McCarthy on show and do what they do. Did we expect anything less. What a tussle Ó Beaglaoich had with Kilkenny. I thought the bravery shown by Ó Beaglaoich was extraordinary to make himself available time and time again in that final quarter for the kick out. This when Kilkenny was in his pomp. Ó Beaglaoich refused to shirk. A simple drop or spill of the ball with his opposite number bearing down on him would have spelt doom. Fitting it was that man again who got the attack going right at the death. I certainly was rather flat leaving the stadium. The malfunction of our attack was not sitting well. However the fact that we won the tightest of games was more than making up for it. Our heroics in defence and Seánies sensation will mean nothing if we don't finish the job. It wasn't just the kickouts either. When we were struggling to break through the Dublin defence a few times in the second half it was Brian who took the ball on at pace. I was a bit disappointed that Gavin White didn't do the same before his injury. |
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 11, 2022 14:59:28 GMT
For those of us in the centre of the Canal End we had the best seat in the house when Seánie brought said house down. It was incredible to see the flight of the ball arrow towards the black spot. The only man in the stadium with that ability and to nail it was simply sensational. How many times have we been in those sticky situations and its us that have come up short. Unfamiliar territory.. Perhaps that explains my rather muted celebrations after when all around me were behaving otherwise. Hats off to the Kerry defenders as a unit. I thought to a man they seemed to know exactly when to strike the Dublin attacker and disrupt, dislodge time and time again. For all the stick these boys have taken this was the simply awesome stuff. The pride I had for them when the pressure was at its peak goes beyond any words in the dictionary. There was a feel of 2009 about this one. Was the changing of the guard about to happen or was there another sting in The Dubs. Massive credit to Dublin. Their will to win is second to none. Their giants of leaders did what leaders do. We're blessed to have the likes of Kilkenny and McCarthy on show and do what they do. Did we expect anything less. What a tussle Ó Beaglaoich had with Kilkenny. I thought the bravery shown by Ó Beaglaoich was extraordinary to make himself available time and time again in that final quarter for the kick out. This when Kilkenny was in his pomp. Ó Beaglaoich refused to shirk. A simple drop or spill of the ball with his opposite number bearing down on him would have spelt doom. Fitting it was that man again who got the attack going right at the death. I certainly was rather flat leaving the stadium. The malfunction of our attack was not sitting well. However the fact that we won the tightest of games was more than making up for it. Our heroics in defence and Seánies sensation will mean nothing if we don't finish the job. It wasn't just the kickouts either. When we were struggling to break through the Dublin defence a few times in the second half it was Brian who took the ball on at pace. I was a bit disappointed that Gavin White didn't do the same before his injury. Absolutely agree.. He was magic and as I said he was at the pin of his collar to keep a rampant Kilkenny at bay. No easy task.. I dare say anyone would have struggled with Kilkenny in that vein of form to be fair.. But it was his Ó Beaglaoich's never say die attitude which was incredible.. Another fella would have disappeared into his shell.. Not our man.. I think the confidence our defensive unit will have now is worth it's weight in gold.. I suppose there was an element of 'are we really as improved as we think we are in defence' and it's fair to say the boys answered that and some yesterday. |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 11, 2022 15:09:48 GMT
Well everyone, I assume I'm not the only one with a bad head but a big smile today. Being critical for a brief moment it should never have been that close at the end, we were 5-6 points the better team and after a great first half too many players seemed to have never left the dressing room in that second half, I was suprised how poor Geaney was given the year he has had. Moran was so-so, SOB never got going and King David was failey muted that second half. Galway will have seen plenty to give them confidence. Sometimes I get a little annoyed at the criticism of the team on here but in fairness you lads are on the ball we are by no means perfect and yesterday showed it, a game we contrived to lose for too long in that second half. But our victory was built on a defensive display that was possibly one of the best I've every seen from a Kerry team. Ravenous is the only word for those six men. Bar the goal, which was a brilliant finish, they gave nothing much away. I hope the closeness of the game was more down to the psychological weight on these players to just get over the line against Dublin finally. I hope this victory brings a liberation of confidence and swagger that will blossom in the final in two weeks. I said it should never have been that close, but could you have written a better script for a way to win such a match - would a 7 or 8 point victory have lived in memory and song as this game and victory will? The Boss belting out in Croker at full time was the perfect soundtrack - 'Glory Days' indeed! Sitting in the stand during a tense, rollercoaster do or die game like that I often start to wonder why do I put myself through this, maybe I should just give up on the GAA and take up gardening or something. Its horrific the worry and doubt and fear you subject yourself to. And believe me there were moments towards the end of that second half I wished I was from another country and had never heard of the Gaelic Athletic Association. And then the young man from the south steps up. I went to the game with a friend that's been going through a very bad breakup with a child involved and didn't he nail it when he turned and said, something like that just makes you forget everything bad. I guess that's the great beauty of Kerry football as irrational as it is, when its going well it just makes us as a community, as a place, happy. Today I am very happy. One of the great days, a privilege to have been there. Not so long ago we worried if we would ever be able to attend and see things like this again. Now for the ticket hunt. P.S. has anyone a spare going?  ?? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 11, 2022 15:22:29 GMT
Look, everything has been said, and we all concur. Great finish and how ironic the similarities to 2011.
Seanie was poor enough in general play in second half but he us a leader, I saw first hand when game was in the pot he ran back to midfield to rally the players to push on... some free to win it.
I will say one thing, the Dublin supporters around us were so gracious, they had admiration for Clifford and complimentary at some of his individual scores and congradulated and shook hands at final whistle, they often get a bad rap, just wanted to acknowledge.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 15:26:21 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Jul 11, 2022 15:45:54 GMT
While I agree on the euphoria of winning I to say I was totally disappointed with our performance especially in the second half. If Con was playing we probably would have been well bate. What the f was said to them at half time to make them play like that in the second half. Some chickens came home to roost for a few kerry players. A few are just not playing well enough to start..DOC for 1..White missing physicality..SOB past his best..I will return once I have re-watched on telly. Dublins great team are on the way down. Kerry are on the way up. One team with seasoned operators. The other with lads with brittle confidence. All that matters is that Kerry won today You will have a long list if you document all the errors by both sides. It was riddled with errors. But this is a game Kerry would have lost in the past 4 years. Not today. They found a way. A loss to Dublin today without Con would have been a grievous mortal blow. Let Dublin regroup and come again with Con on board next year. But this was only about one thing today...finding a way. Jack referenced huge work put into the mental side of things. I was behind Shane Ryan for that last kickout. Dublin closed down nearly as optiobs but Shane found BoB. That was mental toughness. Paul Murphy could have played for extra time but he threaded a footpass to DC for the final free. We all worried about Kerry closing out a tight game. Well they did today. Well said Mick, well said. |
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 15:46:04 GMT
Look, everything has been said, and we all concur. Great finish and how ironic the similarities to 2011. Seanie was poor enough in general play in second half but he us a leader, I saw first hand when game was in the pot he ran back to midfield to rally the players to push on... some free to win it. I will say one thing, the Dublin supporters around us were so gracious, they had admiration for Clifford and complimentary at some of his individual scores and congradulated and shook hands at final whistle, they often get a bad rap, just wanted to acknowledge. That was my experience as well as we left the ground. |
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Post by jackiel on Jul 11, 2022 15:47:52 GMT
Today I am tired, hoarse and a bit sunburnt but very happy to have been there to witness that finish. The atmosphere was without doubt the best since pre-Covid days. Everything has been covered many times by other posters so I won't try to add to it. Best of luck to all in securing tickets.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 15:56:29 GMT
I am not just saying this today. I said it here before.
It not hindsight.
Why dont teams take the point from a penalty when they are 4 or 5 ahead?
You have a guaranteed point so going for goal is really going for 2 points and you run the risk of making a hero out of the keeper and giving the opposition a lift.
Its not like soccer where the only score available is a goal.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 15:58:05 GMT
I am not just saying this today. I said it here before. It not hindsight. Why dont teams take the point from a penalty when they are 4 or 5 ahead? You have a guaranteed point so going for goal is really going for 2 points and you run the risk of making a hero out of the keeper and giving the opposition a lift. Its not like soccer where the only score available is a goal. I think it was too early in the game for that. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 16:04:44 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Jul 11, 2022 16:18:39 GMT
I am not just saying this today. I said it here before. It not hindsight. Why dont teams take the point from a penalty when they are 4 or 5 ahead? You have a guaranteed point so going for goal is really going for 2 points and you run the risk of making a hero out of the keeper and giving the opposition a lift. Its not like soccer where the only score available is a goal. Luckily Tyrone thought the same as you in 86. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 16:25:54 GMT
I am not just saying this today. I said it here before. It not hindsight. Why dont teams take the point from a penalty when they are 4 or 5 ahead? You have a guaranteed point so going for goal is really going for 2 points and you run the risk of making a hero out of the keeper and giving the opposition a lift. Its not like soccer where the only score available is a goal. Luckily Tyrone thought the same as you in 86. Jacko missed a penalty that day too. Crashed it off the same crossbar. |
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 11, 2022 16:37:02 GMT
Nobody on The Sunday Game mentioned Comerford coming off his line for the penalty. I expected Kevin McStay to be going apoplectic demanding Kerry get awarded a retake 😀  |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 11, 2022 17:15:41 GMT
Look, everything has been said, and we all concur. Great finish and how ironic the similarities to 2011. Seanie was poor enough in general play in second half but he us a leader, I saw first hand when game was in the pot he ran back to midfield to rally the players to push on... some free to win it. I will say one thing, the Dublin supporters around us were so gracious, they had admiration for Clifford and complimentary at some of his individual scores and congradulated and shook hands at final whistle, they often get a bad rap, just wanted to acknowledge. 98% of Dublin fans have always been the nicest GAA people you could meet. I've run into 1 or 2 of the nouveau riche crowd as I'd term them that are not pleasant, but those are just the band wagoners - the lads that bought their first jersey the morning after the 2011 final.
The Hogan Stand forum was overrun with the latter, it used leave a bad taste in your mouth. Thankfully I found a new home on here.
I'd say any man only has 4-5 really close friends, the people you'd ring if you were in jail for murder or alternatively an hour after you had been broken up with (I'll leave to the rest of ye to judge which of those scenarios I've more experience of!). Out of those 4 or 5 people in my life two are Dubs, and proper Dublin Dubs.
I helps that there's such a genuine love for both places by both fans. I've yet to meet a Dubliner who didn't, after hearing where I hailed from, immediately wax lyrical about the Kingdom, its people, scenery, craic.
I wouldn't have the same gra for the capital myself but I lived there long enough before to have many happy memories of its streets and I know plenty of Kerry people adore the place.
Anyway can I ask ye something, did anyone else notice how lax the stewarding was as regards bringing drink into your seats? I've never been so up and down at a GAA game in all my life, it was like the rugby with people constantly moving in and out of their seats to get to the bar and then bring back pints and bottles.
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Post by homerj on Jul 11, 2022 17:16:52 GMT
ha was just going to say the same! though that in realtime as i was level with the end line so had perfect view.
weve a terrible big game penalty record. Mike Frank and JOB the only men for them.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 11, 2022 18:05:19 GMT
With respect to constructive criticism of some players, I think we need to redefine the context here.
Ok, the Dubs did win a lot of one-on-one instances but so did we, it was a tight affair after all - still I'd say more of our men won their overall matchups and that we still shaded it having missed a penalty reflects this. BTW how can any sane person advocate taking a point when a penalty is awarded for a potential goal?
The game was akin to a designer crash testing an engineering product beyond it's very limits, to see not if, but where and how it will break - identify the stress factors, etc. And yes we broke but we broke less that them - great Dublin players were outclassed and anyone who knows what a football is knows there are still great and will be great for a while yet.
The pressure was enormous and yes, encounters swung both ways - Moran was always going to empty the tank before 70 mins and that typified things to an extent - if there is a chink in your armour the crack will open. That is what great contests are about, ultimate challenge.
Maybe the cracks points to the development of the squad but there is no guarantee that the alternatives would cope better - a bit like PK discarding Jason only to realise it was damage limitation as regarding marking the games greatest FFs and he had to bring back the Ballydonoghoor. Marc O'6 was just suggesting on the radio that Farrel didn't have the old heros to call on but there is a reason for that - they felt there were past it and great Dubs died yesterday, if in their boots.
There will be some amazing contests up ahead here, with revenge and re-revenege - a new era and while we can dream of replicating the 70s/809s, we mightn't have it all to ourselves either.
As for the final, well after yesterday's white heat we are justifiably favourites but as I often say, it is all down to 15 vs 15 and the Tribes won't be visiting Dublin for the fun of it, an if they do then the fun might be at who's ever expense believes that.
As I wasn't at the game I was looking forward to more analysis of the game itself, as opposed to the sideshows that got more than their share of screen time. E.g. matchups - how did our Ballydonoghoor fare?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 18:30:54 GMT
Good angle here...
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 11, 2022 18:51:39 GMT
Today was special for me for a lot of reasons. Delighted, but the job is only half done. Sully - Id say you had some grief over the last 11 years living in Dublin.....hope you enjoyed the turnaround in our fortunes yesterday. For me, it was the first time I ever came away from a Kerry match saying what a marvellous defense we have - it has always been the forwards who get the praise. But yesterdays performance by the backs was fantastic - time and again in the first half they turned Dublin over and scored up the other end. And again in the 4th quarter, they really stood up when it would have neen easier to wilt. Special paraise for 2 lads I havent always been fans of...BoB was magnificent - I thought he may have got MoM. And Paul M when he came on was fantastic - nerves of steel and a great foot pass in the most pressurised moment. Well done to both in particular. As Sully says - job half done - no medals handed out yesterday unfortunately. I was at the league game in Tralee back in early 2021 against Galway - a draw if I remember correctly. They were very good that night and they wont fear us. |
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Post by southward on Jul 11, 2022 18:55:07 GMT
Today was special for me for a lot of reasons. Delighted, but the job is only half done. Sully - Id say you had some grief over the last 11 years living in Dublin.....hope you enjoyed the turnaround in our fortunes yesterday. For me, it was the first time I ever came away from a Kerry match saying what a marvellous defense we have - it has always been the forwards who get the praise. But yesterdays performance by the backs was fantastic - time and again in the first half they turned Dublin over and scored up the other end. And again in the 4th quarter, they really stood up when it would have neen easier to wilt. Special paraise for 2 lads I havent always been fans of...BoB was magnificent - I thought he may have got MoM. And Paul M when he came on was fantastic - nerves of steel and a great foot pass in the most pressurised moment. Well done to both in particular. As Sully says - job half done - no medals handed out yesterday unfortunately. I was at the league game in Tralee back in early 2021 against Galway - a draw if I remember correctly. They were very good that night and they wont fear us. We stole the game that night by a point. Slightly poxed, we were. I'd take that again though. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 11, 2022 19:13:34 GMT
Haven't posted in a while,
Just wanted to say from that wet day in Newbridge to yesterday afternoon I believed we would beat Dublin.
For me the scoreline flattered Dublin.
Dublin legends lads I questioned particularly the older boys Mccarthy, Fitz and Kilkenny were immense and died with their boots on.
But the overwhelming feeling is pride, Pride restored and we can pump the chest out again and walk tall.
Nothing won but that's a monkey of our backs.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2022 19:25:52 GMT
Haven't posted in a while, Just wanted to say from that wet day in Newbridge to yesterday afternoon I believed we would beat Dublin. For me the scoreline flattered Dublin. Dublin legends lads I questioned particularly the older boys Mccarthy, Fitz and Kilkenny were immense and died with their boots on. But the overwhelming feeling is pride, Pride restored and we can pump the chest out again and walk tall. Nothing won but that's a monkey of our backs. A great day for the optimists. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 19:37:22 GMT
James McCarthy is rightly regarded as one of the all time greats.
My mind wanders back over 40 years to an u21 match in Croke Park between Cork and Down. I think it may have been the final. I struck up a conversation with a man sitting beside me. He was from West Cork wearing the Cork colours and avidly chasing every ball with Cork.
Only as the match was over did he tell me that he was John McCarthy's father. I think he too was a guard as was John of course.
John has 3 All Irelands. His son James has 8. He desperately wanted to captain Dublin to an All Ireland victory going by his massive contribution yesterday. Its an honour that should have fallen to him during the 6 in a row i feel.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 11, 2022 19:38:54 GMT
Haven't posted in a while, Just wanted to say from that wet day in Newbridge to yesterday afternoon I believed we would beat Dublin. For me the scoreline flattered Dublin. Dublin legends lads I questioned particularly the older boys Mccarthy, Fitz and Kilkenny were immense and died with their boots on. But the overwhelming feeling is pride, Pride restored and we can pump the chest out again and walk tall. Nothing won but that's a monkey of our backs. I even got two 'Up Kerry's' walking into Dunnes in the Kerry jersey today, if its registered in a place like Drogheda it must have been a game for the ages  |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 11, 2022 19:51:08 GMT
I wonder where yesterday will actually rank in the echelon of great games from a neutrals point of view. It was actually low enough scoring by the standards of recent years.
Was 2013 better for example? I was so devastated at the end of it I don't think I was ever able to step back and judge igt dispassionately.
In fact like every Kerry defeat I can think of, I've never watched it back.
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