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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 0:58:44 GMT
Well i just watched the full match again with the benefit of the pause button.
Its amazing how different the perspective is after doing that.
Nearly all Kerry players played reasonably well or very well. A huge amount of covering by JB and DoC goes unnoticed. SoB also had an effective game till his substitution but JoC must get him to lift the ball with his foot. Another goal chance gone today for handling the ball on the ground.
Moran did well too. His odd mistakes tend to lead to calamitous goals but there was time to recover today.
Kerry used the boot to great effect to move the ball. Dublin were not as good at that. Graham is a very creative corner back as is TS of course.
PG had a poor match. Big call for management for the final on him.
BoB drove forward to great effect at times.
Kerry scored a point by Paudie after 3 mins of possession. That is the type of score that opposition used to get against us in Croker. Now we are doing it.
DM kicked a crucial score too and did well.
Killian looked like he scored a point...one of the umpires was 20 yards from the posts...the other lad waived it wide.
Its all built on tenacious defending and a defensive structure of course. If Paddy Tally is responsible for that then credit where credit is due.
Finally, Shane Ryan the ice man. What a cool customer.
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Post by canuck on Jul 11, 2022 3:00:31 GMT
It has been while since I have been on here
Just like to write that I was so happy for Kerry's win today
I hope they win the All Ireland
From Niagara Ontario. Canada
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 11, 2022 6:09:04 GMT
Just watched it back there. McStay is a tough watch. His bias was incredible. He claimed that Gavin White slipped for the penalty before seeing the replay which showed he was tripped. For the first Seanie late free, he wanted to see another replay in case Seanie had fouled first been though it was an obvious free as possible. In both instances it seemed like he was hoping Kerry would not get the decision.
He was also ready to send off Seanie in the first half and was very quick to praise the ref anytime he gave Dublin a free, What a joker.
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Post by thepope on Jul 11, 2022 7:25:45 GMT
One of the great days in Croke Park. Memory of this will live on for a long time.
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Post by Chinatown on Jul 11, 2022 7:39:45 GMT
I’d love to see Seanie’s gps stats after the 81 mins just before he popped it over. Some engine, skill and nerve aside
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Post by southward on Jul 11, 2022 7:48:06 GMT
The black card time wasting is beyond a joke. Is it the linesman who keeps the 10 minutes timing? Surely if there's an injury they should stop the clock. Otherwise you're going to end up with the Comerford shenanigans every time. It's beyond farcical at this stage. Comerford was walking around not a bother on him, then just sat down. Neilan should have booked him instead of letting him waste time. On the other hand, when Jason was on the deck in the danger zone after getting a dirty belt from Costello, play was allowed to go on around him (and the physios) and Kilkenny scored an equaliser. Bit of consistency at least please. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 11, 2022 7:50:34 GMT
Just watched it back there. McStay is a tough watch. His bias was incredible. He claimed that Gavin White slipped for the penalty before seeing the replay which showed he was tripped. For the first Seanie late free, he wanted to see another replay in case Seanie had fouled first been though it was an obvious free as possible. In both instances it seemed like he was hoping Kerry would not get the decision. He was also ready to send off Seanie in the first half and was very quick to praise the ref anytime he gave Dublin a free, What a joker. Mc Stay's first instinct is to say anyone or anything green and gold is in the wrong - his bias is a given (the *!!) |
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Post by southward on Jul 11, 2022 7:58:26 GMT
Is Comerford allowed to shake the posts like that? He wasn't even facing the free when it was kicked (or even in the goals). What if the free had struck or gone an inch outside a moving post?
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 8:05:55 GMT
The black card time wasting is beyond a joke. Is it the linesman who keeps the 10 minutes timing? Surely if there's an injury they should stop the clock. Otherwise you're going to end up with the Comerford shenanigans every time. It's beyond farcical at this stage. Comerford was walking around not a bother on him, then just sat down. Neilan should have booked him instead of letting him waste time. On the other hand, when Jason was on the deck in the danger zone after getting a dirty belt from Costello, play was allowed to go on around him (and the physios) and Kilkenny scored an equaliser. Bit of consistency at least please. That was our own fault. We took the free kick too quickly instead of waiting to make sue Foley was ok. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 11, 2022 8:11:46 GMT
ya that Costello on Foley incident nearly cost us the game. Jason was down for 2-3 mins and score pretty much kicked over his head.
white and morley both went down around the same time, it was like a war zone out there.
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Post by john4 on Jul 11, 2022 8:21:33 GMT
One very pleasing aspect of yesterday for me was when Dublin got their goal they saw blood, they roared at us and went for our throats (metaphorically speaking 😅) for the 10 minutes that followed, we stood up to this and fought back. We were on the ropes for that period but found a way to dig it out.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 8:47:28 GMT
It's beyond farcical at this stage. Comerford was walking around not a bother on him, then just sat down. Neilan should have booked him instead of letting him waste time. On the other hand, when Jason was on the deck in the danger zone after getting a dirty belt from Costello, play was allowed to go on around him (and the physios) and Kilkenny scored an equaliser. Bit of consistency at least please. That was our own fault. We took the free kick too quickly instead of waiting to make sue Foley was ok. Yep. We took the free too quickly. DC nearly took a quick one too in that final act. Happily he didnt and SoS nailed it. |
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Post by buck02 on Jul 11, 2022 8:50:47 GMT
If Jack was asked the perfect way to win that game yesterday I'd say he couldn't have imagined a better way than it worked out.
A comfortable win - if the penalty had been scored - could have led to some complacency over the next 13 days.
Instead there is plenty to focus on and be used in the video session this week.
Seanies kick will go down as one of those moments for the ages down here. When you consider the tricky wind and all the wides, dropped shots both teams had put into the hill end you appreciate it more. When you factor in the missed penalty it shows the unbelievable mentality of that man. Begley, Paudie and David all played massive parts in the win. Shane Ryan's kickouts were outstanding in the last 10 minutes. People would not be able to understand how calm and accurate he needed to be in those situations.
On the ref, you wonder what took so long after the penalty. I think he fluffed making the hard decision. How did the umpire miss Comerford both feet being a yard off the line when the ball was struck? (Why did nobody on RTE pick up on it). Why can he let a player on one team fall down injured for so long when he let's play go around players from the other team (leading to 2 points).
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Post by taggert on Jul 11, 2022 8:54:32 GMT
Well i just watched the full match again with the benefit of the pause button. Its amazing how different the perspective is after doing that. Nearly all Kerry players played reasonably well or very well. A huge amount of covering by JB and DoC goes unnoticed. SoB also had an effective game till his substitution but JoC must get him to lift the ball with his foot. Another goal chance gone today for handling the ball on the ground. Moran did well too. His odd mistakes tend to lead to calamitous goals but there was time to recover today. Kerry used the boot to great effect to move the ball. Dublin were not as good at that. Graham is a very creative corner back as is TS of course. PG had a poor match. Big call for management for the final on him. BoB drove forward to great effect at times. Kerry scored a point by Paudie after 3 mins of possession. That is the type of score that opposition used to get against us in Croker. Now we are doing it. DM kicked a crucial score too and did well. Killian looked like he scored a point...one of the umpires was 20 yards from the posts...the other lad waived it wide. Its all built on tenacious defending and a defensive structure of course. If Paddy Tally is responsible for that then credit where credit is due. Finally, Shane Ryan the ice man. What a cool customer. Watched it back likewise. Defensively, Kerry were very impressive. Kudos to P Tally as there were many doubting Thomases regarding his appointment. Clifford and SoS were fantastic in the first half while Paudie worked like a trojan. Shane Ryan came under huge pressure but didnt crack. Begley was a willing and brilliant outlet on more than one occasion. Murphy and Morley too. Moran 3 mistakes - first kick from throw in, Clifford did a dummy run and the kick went to Dublin, later in half shooting when not on and blocked leading to a Dublin point and the dropped hand pass from Dara leading to a Dublin goal. Stephen had 2 or 3 very bad kick passes and picking the ball off the ground from a wonderous Clifford pass was very very poor. Diarmuid O'Connor worked hard but didnt do enough offensively - his kick into Comerfirds hands wasn't good. Paul Geaney really struggled and could have gone earlier. A poor hand pass at start of 2nd half when Clifford had found space summed up his day - this was at a time when Dublin were on the ropes (after Davids 6th point). Dara and Paul impressed as subs. Not so the Spillanes for me with Kilian one and Adrian 2 or 3 turnovers. Big Joe should have taken a point but passed to David but got one major turnover at an important stage. Beating Dublin was all that mattered yesterday and Seanies finish was a moment of sheer footballing magic and joy. But plenty to work on for 2 weeks time if we wish to bring the cannister home..... |
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 11, 2022 9:07:18 GMT
Just watched it back there. McStay is a tough watch. His bias was incredible. He claimed that Gavin White slipped for the penalty before seeing the replay which showed he was tripped. For the first Seanie late free, he wanted to see another replay in case Seanie had fouled first been though it was an obvious free as possible. In both instances it seemed like he was hoping Kerry would not get the decision. He was also ready to send off Seanie in the first half and was very quick to praise the ref anytime he gave Dublin a free, What a joker. his bias has been infuriating for years. he should be f***ed out the door. the so called analysis on the sunday game is so far behind other channels |
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2022 9:13:12 GMT
If Jack was asked the perfect way to win that game yesterday I'd say he couldn't have imagined a better way than it worked out. A comfortable win - if the penalty had been scored - could have led to some complacency over the next 13 days. Instead there is plenty to focus on and be used in the video session this week. Seanies kick will go down as one of those moments for the ages down here. When you consider the tricky wind and all the wides, dropped shots both teams had put into the hill end you appreciate it more. When you factor in the missed penalty it shows the unbelievable mentality of that man. Begley, Paudie and David all played massive parts in the win. Shane Ryan's kickouts were outstanding in the last 10 minutes. People would not be able to understand how calm and accurate he needed to be in those situations. On the ref, you wonder what took so long after the penalty. I think he fluffed making the hard decision. How did the umpire miss Comerford both feet being a yard off the line when the ball was struck? (Why did nobody on RTE pick up on it). Why can he let a player on one team fall down injured for so long when he let's play go around players from the other team (leading to 2 points). What hard decision did he fluff? |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 9:16:01 GMT
It would be interesting to see what the rule says about kicking a loose ball when a player is on the ground. I know it squirted free but not sure a player can draw a kick on the loose ball like that with a player on the ground. It might have been a yellow card offense. Not sure though. Not a red anyway.
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Post by kot on Jul 11, 2022 9:18:33 GMT
Just watched it back there. McStay is a tough watch. His bias was incredible. He claimed that Gavin White slipped for the penalty before seeing the replay which showed he was tripped. For the first Seanie late free, he wanted to see another replay in case Seanie had fouled first been though it was an obvious free as possible. In both instances it seemed like he was hoping Kerry would not get the decision. He was also ready to send off Seanie in the first half and was very quick to praise the ref anytime he gave Dublin a free, What a joker. his bias has been infuriating for years. he should be f***ed out the door. the so called analysis on the sunday game is so far behind other channels He is brutal! His anti Kerry Bias is only outdone by his a$$ekissing of Dublin. Even when they weren't good! I can remember him commentating on the '06 semi and if you had dropped a person in from Mars they wouldn't have known the McStay was a Mayo man the way he was going. He is the only person I have ever heard vouching that Donnacha's goal in '10 was rightly ruled out. He was on the Sunday game with his big green book out. This fella was pretty on the money  .... |
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Post by buck02 on Jul 11, 2022 9:25:53 GMT
If Jack was asked the perfect way to win that game yesterday I'd say he couldn't have imagined a better way than it worked out. A comfortable win - if the penalty had been scored - could have led to some complacency over the next 13 days. Instead there is plenty to focus on and be used in the video session this week. Seanies kick will go down as one of those moments for the ages down here. When you consider the tricky wind and all the wides, dropped shots both teams had put into the hill end you appreciate it more. When you factor in the missed penalty it shows the unbelievable mentality of that man. Begley, Paudie and David all played massive parts in the win. Shane Ryan's kickouts were outstanding in the last 10 minutes. People would not be able to understand how calm and accurate he needed to be in those situations. On the ref, you wonder what took so long after the penalty. I think he fluffed making the hard decision. How did the umpire miss Comerford both feet being a yard off the line when the ball was struck? (Why did nobody on RTE pick up on it). Why can he let a player on one team fall down injured for so long when he let's play go around players from the other team (leading to 2 points). What hard decision did he fluff? Retake the penalty |
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 11, 2022 9:27:16 GMT
his bias has been infuriating for years. he should be f***ed out the door. the so called analysis on the sunday game is so far behind other channels He is brutal! His anti Kerry Bias is only outdone by his a$$ekissing of Dublin. Even when they weren't good! I can remember him commentating on the '06 semi and if you had dropped a person in from Mars they wouldn't have known the McStay was a Mayo man the way he was going. He is the only person I have ever heard vouching that Donnacha's goal in '10 was rightly ruled out. He was on the Sunday game with his big green book out. This fella was pretty on the money .... There are very few commentators that are so clear bias against a team than McStay is when it comes to "Cerry" as he says. It's not a recent thing either as he's been at it for years now. Firstly I don't know where it comes from. It can't be anything to do with Mayo because he never has anything good to say about them anyway. Secondly for someone who is clearly so anti Kerry he commentates on a huge number of Kerry games. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 11, 2022 9:35:04 GMT
Congrats to Kerry. Brilliant free to win it.
Dublin will look back on missed opportunities in 1st half which left them a mountain to climb.
Notable that it was our older warriors like Jamesie and Kilkenny that dragged us back into it. Legends of the game.
Will post more when I rewatch the game but for now the best of luck in the final.
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Post by keane on Jul 11, 2022 9:56:25 GMT
I would nt be licking my lips marking Mccarthy regardless of his gametime. Mccarthy is a true superstar and has it all. Great fielder blistering pace and strong as a bull. Well able to score too. IMO he is the best wing back in the country since Séamus Moynihan. Dublin without Mccarthy is a weaker team. Agree if it's 2018 (besides blistering pace, don't think he ever had that). I think he's been well off it more recently and is beyond his peak. Still probably better than several of the Dublin back line but they are mostly there for the taking. I think he will be destroyed if he plays midfield and will be lucky to break even if playing in defense. We don't have long to wait and see. If I write a less accurate post than this anytime I'll be doing well! There was certainly more life in the old dog than I thought. Also had a eye on his rate of locomotion and you were right Mick he is much, much quicker than I gave him credit for. He's a mighty man, hard to imagine coming out of a loss with any more credit. Hope he doesn't have too many of those performances left! |
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Post by keane on Jul 11, 2022 9:57:14 GMT
Looking forward to watching the game back but main impression on the day was that our backs were absolutely heroic.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 10:06:41 GMT
Looking forward to watching the game back but main impression on the day was that our backs were absolutely heroic. Yep...and in showing for the short kickout....especially BoB. |
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Post by keane on Jul 11, 2022 10:09:35 GMT
Looking forward to watching the game back but main impression on the day was that our backs were absolutely heroic. Yep...and in showing for the short kickout....especially BoB. They didn't flinch for an instant after the goal went in, just went straight back to doing their jobs. Very disciplined in the tackle, hunting in packs, it was great. We always say the opposition get fierce oxygen from getting turnovers against us - having lustily roared as our guys got a few of their own yesterday I can see why people enjoy them so much  |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 11, 2022 10:14:56 GMT
Great to win it but, bar a 10 minute spell in the first half I thought we were poor enough at times. David looked out on his feet for the last 20 - 25 mins so you would wonder what if any training he has done since the Cork game.
Paudie Clifford really took the game by the scruff of the neck when we needed some leadership around the middle. I thought our half forward line apart from Seanie were pretty poor overall especially in an attacking sense. Then again the dublin half backs really got into the game once we made the switches in the half forward line.
Killian won a pile of ball in the corner when he came on. Paul Geaney was ineffectual at best and to be honest without watching a recording of the game the only thing I can remember him doing was getting stuck in for the messing after the penalty miss.
Our defence won it for us in the end, if you told me yesterday morning Kerry would only score 1-14 over 81 minutes of football I would have said we would lose by 7 - 8 points.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 11, 2022 10:44:31 GMT
Comhgairdeas libh go leir from far far away. I've had to wait a while to make this post, yous have had to wait a while to receive it. Bain teathnamh as, enjoy the build-up for the third sunday in..............July. Yis deserved it on the day, we couldn't get away with yet another epic.
The greatest rivalry swings again.
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Post by homerj on Jul 11, 2022 11:06:39 GMT
Paidi Clifford by the way......cant believe people wanted him dropped.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2022 11:12:00 GMT
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Post by veteran on Jul 11, 2022 11:38:14 GMT
Details are important of course and there scores of pertinent details emanating from yesterday's palpitations inducing contest, not least that last kick from outer space, but the quintessence of the game is this. It is the seminal moment in Kerry's football history since 2009. For the past ten, eleven years, a foot clad in blue has been mercilessly lodged in our throat but now it has been dislodged. How ironically appropriate that that is was the final act , as in 2011 in reverse, that was the catalyst to free us from those stifling, debilitating, morale sucking chains. The great wheel of life is always rotating, sometimes painfully slow, but rotate it does. Details now I suppose.
Last Friday, I said Kerry will win if they believe they can. There is no doubt management did a wonderful job in instilling that belief. From flag drop, they carried the game to Dublin with some truly mesmerising play, back and front. For stages in the second half it looked as they might buckle and it wasn't because that belief deserted them. No, it was because they were confronted by a force which appeared oppressively overwhelming at times. You could hear the jingle jangle of medals in Dublin's back pockets as they sashayed their way into pockets of space in the closing stages but our self belief , our iron will, ensured that, while at times we started to shake, that while at times we began to buckle, we never broke. That is an experience which will to stand to these often maligned group of players for ever.
I was at the Canal End so I saw a lot of action in that opening half. During that period David C and Sean O'Shea were simply dictatorial. David's point taking, against the wonderful Mick Fitzimons, was well, David like while Sean's foot work and industry was from a drawer above the top drawer. Had the penalty been scored it was cremation time for Dublin. The nonsense surrounding it left a sour taste. The injury feigning of the Dublin goalie both in conceding the penalty and in Sean's legitimate follow up was somewhat on the nauseating side, mostly calculated to hasten the expiry of the Dublin black card and to incriminate Sean. Thankfully the referee did not buy the latter suggestion. That penalty incident gave sustenance to Dublin for the second half, as in "we haven't gone away you know" and at the same instil some doubt in the minds of the Kerry lads. As for me, I lost my speech a foot in height , surrounded as I was by swards of Dublin supporters.
The second half , I suppose, can best be described as throwing caution to the wind time by Dublin and a continuation of insubordination by Kerry. Dublin, showing why they have been marvellous champions and the pretenders from the mountains refusing to tip the forelock. Oh there were times in that second half when I started to contemplate another long, weary journey down the M7 with a feeling of emptiness which only somebody who has been through that dark, lonely tunnel can appreciate. There were times in that second half when the Dublin supporters, with their numbers and cacophony of sound, seemed to tilt Croke Park on its axis in the direction of the Canal End and promised to leave nothing but Kerry detritus in their wake, including this harmless old crock sitting in the Davin End. Talk about the end being nigh. It was never nigher , if I may coin a word. Now , I must digress for a minute or two. There are foolish people out there who claim that extraterrestrials do not exist. We know different down here lads. As Dublin continued to maraud I addressed our boys. I said, look if we are to get of here alive we must thread one last ball through to our extraterrestrial wearing number fourteen. A tall order with Dublin clamping us and with our jugular bare. It was ice in the veins time. They responded. Shane Murphy clipped a short one nervelessly to Brian O'Beaglaigh, heroic all through against that colossal footballer, Ciaran Kilkenny. Brian got it away to Paul Murphy. With a furtive glance, Paul spotted the run of the extraterrestrial. He duly clutched it to the chest. I am told that is what extraterrestrials do in dire situations. He would have turned and gone had the foul not been committed. Another trait of extraterrestrials , so the story goes. A clever enough foul. Impossible to convert from that distance. I speak too soon. Another man emerges with ice in the veins. A man of iron , considering some of his previous travails in the game. I will leave the description of that last kick to the people who are best placed to describe it. The boys on the hill! After all, I was at the other end. But don't be fooled. I saw and heard what happened!
If you don't mind. I will lie down for a while. I need to catch up on a savouring exercise.
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