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Post by onlykerry on May 19, 2023 15:13:15 GMT
As you are talking championship, the All Ireland semi final we lost to Dublin in 1934 would qualify - played in Austin Stacks Park, Tralee an aging Kerry team were well beaten by an up and coming Dublin team. Horrible scoreline of 3-8 to 0-6.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 19, 2023 15:19:40 GMT
Possibly Tipperary, they did win 4 All Irelands, the last in 1920. They did win more Munster Finals after that. They must have beaten Kerry along the way in Kerry. Don’t know what years though. I'm thinking the same. The only Munster championship game outside of a final or to Cork I can think of was against Waterford in the 50s but I think that was away. is that the infamous day, the bus driver lined out? |
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Post by himself on May 20, 2023 6:52:21 GMT
That was away. Kerry were missing some top players after a dispute over the captaincy, but that was also a very under-rated Waterford team. They beat Cork two years later as well. It wasn't the bus driver who lined out. Kerry drafted in Tim Barrett, the Kerryman reporter, to tog out. Tim was apparently a good footballer with Austin Stacks, a son of John Joe and brother of JJ.
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Post by glengael on May 26, 2023 8:11:48 GMT
That was away. Kerry were missing some top players after a dispute over the captaincy, but that was also a very under-rated Waterford team. They beat Cork two years later as well. It wasn't the bus driver who lined out. Kerry drafted in Tim Barrett, the Kerryman reporter, to tog out. Tim was apparently a good footballer with Austin Stacks, a son of John Joe and brother of JJ. One of the remaining joys of this forum is that people on here know such details. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 26, 2023 14:31:20 GMT
One of the remaining joys of this forum is that people on here know such details. So let's have a little test then boys and girls on this bright summers day before the holidays - What Kerry county player was also a Rugby International, but not with Ireland? BTW does anyone know any Gaeilgeoir who might check a sentence for grammar for me, etc? PM if you do, and ta. |
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Post by ciarraiochmallaithe on May 27, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
One of the remaining joys of this forum is that people on here know such details. So let's have a little test then boys and girls on this bright summers day before the holidays - What Kerry county player was also a Rugby International, but not with Ireland? BTW does anyone know any Gaeilgeoir who might check a sentence for grammar for me, etc? PM if you do, and ta. i can help you , im from dún chaoin. |
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Post by hurlingman on May 30, 2023 18:50:12 GMT
Is Pat Spillane Kerry's highest socer from play? As in all his scores came from play?
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Post by fullback on May 30, 2023 22:43:13 GMT
Is Pat Spillane Kerry's highest socer from play? As in all his scores came from play? Even assuming all his scores came from play (19-123 or 19-122 depending on the source), he'd still be behind Gooch, who scored 15-95 from play from 2006 onwards, I don't have the figures from 02-05 but having had a quick look I can find at least another 6-31 from play, which is enough to put him ahead of Spillane, plus whatever he scored in the games I couldn't find anything for. Only Mikey Sheehy could be ahead of those two, O Cinneide scored 11-150 overall but was on the frees for years, Maurice Fitz scored 12-204 but was also a regular free taker. Sheehy has 29-205 but it's very difficult to break that down into scores from play. Likely that David Clifford will finish up ahead of all of them, already up to 8-70 from play, Paul Geaney is the highest of the current panel with 13-104. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 31, 2023 0:50:49 GMT
No answers to this one yet -
What Kerry county player was also a Rugby International, but not with Ireland?
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Post by hurlingman on May 31, 2023 7:11:50 GMT
Is Pat Spillane Kerry's highest socer from play? As in all his scores came from play? Even assuming all his scores came from play (19-123 or 19-122 depending on the source), he'd still be behind Gooch, who scored 15-95 from play from 2006 onwards, I don't have the figures from 02-05 but having had a quick look I can find at least another 6-31 from play, which is enough to put him ahead of Spillane, plus whatever he scored in the games I couldn't find anything for. Only Mikey Sheehy could be ahead of those two, O Cinneide scored 11-150 overall but was on the frees for years, Maurice Fitz scored 12-204 but was also a regular free taker. Sheehy has 29-205 but it's very difficult to break that down into scores from play. Likely that David Clifford will finish up ahead of all of them, already up to 8-70 from play, Paul Geaney is the highest of the current panel with 13-104. The Terrace Talk website doesn't give a break down for what's from play and frees. I would say Declan O Sullivan is high on the list as well as I don't ever recall him taking any frees either. |
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2023 10:50:14 GMT
No answers to this one yet - What Kerry county player was also a Rugby International, but not with Ireland? This is catching me, have you a rough timeframe…or am I right in saying mini 7’s? |
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Post by Jo90 on May 31, 2023 10:57:03 GMT
Is Pat Spillane Kerry's highest socer from play? As in all his scores came from play? Even assuming all his scores came from play (19-123 or 19-122 depending on the source), he'd still be behind Gooch, who scored 15-95 from play from 2006 onwards, I don't have the figures from 02-05 but having had a quick look I can find at least another 6-31 from play, which is enough to put him ahead of Spillane, plus whatever he scored in the games I couldn't find anything for. Only Mikey Sheehy could be ahead of those two, O Cinneide scored 11-150 overall but was on the frees for years, Maurice Fitz scored 12-204 but was also a regular free taker. Sheehy has 29-205 but it's very difficult to break that down into scores from play. Likely that David Clifford will finish up ahead of all of them, already up to 8-70 from play, Paul Geaney is the highest of the current panel with 13-104. I presume the question is who's Kerry's highest scorer from play for players who've only ever scored from play, thus excluding Sheehy, Cooper, etc.? Was Pat Spillane Templenoe's freetaker? If so, he surely took the odd free for Kerry when other freetakers were missing. This would be one for Veteran. Come on Veteran, I know you're reading even if you're not writing. Give an auld PM! I wonder is Brendan Kealy Kerry's highest scorer from deadballs for players who've never scored from play? Maybe there was a back who took frees long ago when backs were backs. |
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Post by fullback on May 31, 2023 18:34:24 GMT
Even assuming all his scores came from play (19-123 or 19-122 depending on the source), he'd still be behind Gooch, who scored 15-95 from play from 2006 onwards, I don't have the figures from 02-05 but having had a quick look I can find at least another 6-31 from play, which is enough to put him ahead of Spillane, plus whatever he scored in the games I couldn't find anything for. Only Mikey Sheehy could be ahead of those two, O Cinneide scored 11-150 overall but was on the frees for years, Maurice Fitz scored 12-204 but was also a regular free taker. Sheehy has 29-205 but it's very difficult to break that down into scores from play. Likely that David Clifford will finish up ahead of all of them, already up to 8-70 from play, Paul Geaney is the highest of the current panel with 13-104. The Terrace Talk website doesn't give a break down for what's from play and frees. I would say Declan O Sullivan is high on the list as well as I don't ever recall him taking any frees either. I have my own figures from 2006 onwards that have a break down, haven't got round to doing any further back than that yet and the further back you go the harder it becomes to find match reports etc, particularly ones with a break down of where scores came from. Declan scored a free against Clare in 2014, other than that I'm not aware of him scoring any others in the championship. He scored 3-9 from 03-05 but I'd be surprised if any of them were frees which would leave him with 8-82 from play. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 1, 2023 23:22:06 GMT
No answers to this one yet - What Kerry county player was also a Rugby International, but not with Ireland? This is catching me, have you a rough timeframe…or am I right in saying mini 7’s? My source is gone cold but did Colm Kennelly of Ballylongford play with some African colony - wiki says he was elsewhere so not sure! Colm is one of that famous family, including Brendan the poet, the hoor who missed that point! |
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Post by keane on Jun 6, 2023 8:49:27 GMT
You're not mis-quoting Martin 'it must be said' Carney by any chance?
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 13, 2023 20:16:26 GMT
2023 has been the first year ever where all the provincial championships in both football and hurling have been retained by the same teams.
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Post by kerryman90 on Aug 6, 2023 13:10:10 GMT
In today's hurling final we have mike Conway and son Darragh hoping to win senior County championship with lixnaw and last year Causeway had the 2 dooleys- john mike and Gavin
But has a father and son ever won the senior football championship or even intermediate playing together in Kerry?
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 12, 2023 13:25:50 GMT
With Stacks now spending another year at Intermediate and one of Strand Road or Na Gaeil dropping down, well bar they both get to the county final. When is the last time Tralee has had only one senior club?
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 12, 2023 14:02:33 GMT
With Stacks now spending another year at Intermediate and one of Strand Road or Na Gaeil dropping down, well bar they both get to the county final. When is the last time Tralee has had only one senior club? Up to 1927 Tralee played as a single side in the County championship (Tralee Mitchels and Tralee selection winning several titles) - street teams (including the three main streets) existed from the earliest days of the GAA in Kerry. Richard Mc Elligott's history of Kerry football lists over 30 different names that Tralee sides used in the first fifty tears of the GAA in Kerry. In 1928 the three main street teams of Rock Street, Strand Street and Boherbue played individually in the Co Championship and the formation of Na Gael in 1979 (Oakpark/Listowel Road) gave us the current four town clubs. Over time the three street teams adopted the names Austin Stacks, O Rahillys (and later Kerins O Rahilly's) and John Mitchells. I think the current limit of 8 senior clubs is the lowest number of clubs in the County championship and this is a significant contributor to the current situation where only 1 senior club will be representing Tralee in 2024 - probably the first time since 1927? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 12, 2023 14:49:48 GMT
Strand Road are seriously struggling for numbers at underage and are amalgamated at several ages, mind boggling compared to few years back when they had A, B and even C teams at underage.... can't believe the eye was taken off the ball there...
In ten or even fifteen years time it will be interesting to see the dynamic of Tralee and the numbers with regard to the Three clubs, Na Gaeil, although the youngest of the three clubs probably have more estates and wider threshold stretching out the Abbeydorney, Listowel and over the bypass towards the Ardfert/Spa roundabout, Mitchels, too are wide heading out the Castlemaine side and out towards Ballymac, of the three, the Narries catchment area is the Knockmoyle, Spa Road, Kerin's Park and out towards Ashegrove... there would appear to be more actual houses in this catchment area, and new estates being build out beyond the Kerries, so how can the club be struggling for numbers, their nearest neighbours out west are in a more difficult position so it's understandable they are joined at underage... is it only a matter of time before they join officially all all age groups?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 12, 2023 19:23:53 GMT
I reckon Tommy Doyle won the Novice Championship, the Junior Championship, the Intermediate Championship, the Senior Club as well as the Co Championship with West Kerry (and very nearly with his club too).
Any other players won all five? Any player win all five with their club?
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Post by thekingdom on Sept 12, 2023 19:33:22 GMT
I reckon Tommy Doyle won the Novice Championship, the Junior Championship, the Intermediate Championship, the Senior Club as well as the Co Championship with West Kerry (and very nearly with his club too). Any other players won all five? Any player win all five with their club? Maybe one of the Gaeltacht from 90's/00's |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 12, 2023 20:07:02 GMT
I reckon Tommy Doyle won the Novice Championship, the Junior Championship, the Intermediate Championship, the Senior Club as well as the Co Championship with West Kerry (and very nearly with his club too). Any other players won all five? Any player win all five with their club? Maybe one of the Gaeltacht from 90's/00's Great shout. 1992-2001. |
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Post by peanuts on Sept 12, 2023 20:40:53 GMT
I reckon Tommy Doyle won the Novice Championship, the Junior Championship, the Intermediate Championship, the Senior Club as well as the Co Championship with West Kerry (and very nearly with his club too). Any other players won all five? Any player win all five with their club? Didn’t think Anascaul were ever in the Novice but could be wrong of course. Although I do remember Tommy Doyle playing in a West Kerry B final against Lispole. He was eligible as he had been injured all year and hadn’t played for the Seniors. I think he may have been retired at that stage but only just. |
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Post by peanuts on Sept 12, 2023 20:42:51 GMT
Maybe one of the Gaeltacht from 90's/00's Great shout. 1992-2001. The Gaeltacht were novice in the 80s certainly around the time WK won a couple of County Championships but I’m not sure if they were still novice in the 90s. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 12, 2023 20:54:04 GMT
The Gaeltacht were novice in the 80s certainly around the time WK won a couple of County Championships but I’m not sure if they were still novice in the 90s. The respective Wikipedia pages say Annascaul won Novice in '76 and An Ghaeltacht in 1992. This is what I am going on (well a bit more in the case of Annascaul). |
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Post by thechosenone on Sept 12, 2023 21:42:45 GMT
I believe Annascaul beat Beale in 76 novice.
Beat St. Mary's in 79 junior and
Beat Beale again in 82 intermediate
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Post by thehermit on Sept 12, 2023 21:47:37 GMT
With Stacks now spending another year at Intermediate and one of Strand Road or Na Gaeil dropping down, well bar they both get to the county final. When is the last time Tralee has had only one senior club? Up to 1927 Tralee played as a single side in the County championship (Tralee Mitchels and Tralee selection winning several titles) - street teams (including the three main streets) existed from the earliest days of the GAA in Kerry. Richard Mc Elligott's history of Kerry football lists over 30 different names that Tralee sides used in the first fifty tears of the GAA in Kerry. In 1928 the three main street teams of Rock Street, Strand Street and Boherbue played individually in the Co Championship and the formation of Na Gael in 1979 (Oakpark/Listowel Road) gave us the current four town clubs. Over time the three street teams adopted the names Austin Stacks, O Rahillys (and later Kerins O Rahilly's) and John Mitchells. I think the current limit of 8 senior clubs is the lowest number of clubs in the County championship and this is a significant contributor to the current situation where only 1 senior club will be representing Tralee in 2024 - probably the first time since 1927? I suppose an irony is that as this is happening in the big ball, Tralee Parnells are progressing to a stage where being a serious force in senior hurling is only a few years away! A lot of my friends who are hurling men embedded in their clubs in the likes of Ardfert, Crotta, Lixnaw are very resentful towards the preferential treatment they see Parnells getting underage. Or so they claim. I'm too removed these times to know the truth. Still it's an interesting dynamic developing. But by the same token there is something wrong if Tralee is only mustering one senior football club |
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 12, 2023 22:55:32 GMT
With Stacks now spending another year at Intermediate and one of Strand Road or Na Gaeil dropping down, well bar they both get to the county final. When is the last time Tralee has had only one senior club? Up to 1927 Tralee played as a single side in the County championship (Tralee Mitchels and Tralee selection winning several titles) - street teams (including the three main streets) existed from the earliest days of the GAA in Kerry. Richard Mc Elligott's history of Kerry football lists over 30 different names that Tralee sides used in the first fifty tears of the GAA in Kerry. In 1928 the three main street teams of Rock Street, Strand Street and Boherbue played individually in the Co Championship and the formation of Na Gael in 1979 (Oakpark/Listowel Road) gave us the current four town clubs. Over time the three street teams adopted the names Austin Stacks, O Rahillys (and later Kerins O Rahilly's) and John Mitchells. I think the current limit of 8 senior clubs is the lowest number of clubs in the County championship and this is a significant contributor to the current situation where only 1 senior club will be representing Tralee in 2024 - probably the first time since 1927? A lot of interesting information, well presented with a hint of nostalgia for someone like myself who can remember All-Ireland winning teams with players from all 3 of the historical club's and the club's were always known by their street names. The amazing thing is that the town now has a population of over 26,000 and is struggling to produce players. |
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Post by peanuts on Sept 12, 2023 23:07:49 GMT
The Gaeltacht were novice in the 80s certainly around the time WK won a couple of County Championships but I’m not sure if they were still novice in the 90s. The respective Wikipedia pages say Annascaul won Novice in '76 and An Ghaeltacht in 1992. This is what I am going on (well a bit more in the case of Annascaul). Very good. Would Tommy Doyle have been playing in ‘76? I’d imagine a few Gaeltacht lads would’ve played from 92 to 2001. |
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