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Post by cynicalfootball on Apr 6, 2022 13:35:22 GMT
Veteran Dave Wiggington's grandson played against Kerry last night in the minor hurling,i too was a supporter of the great Hibs 26 k saw them play waterford for the league
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 6, 2022 13:48:50 GMT
They should borrow that Michael Jackson statue outside Craven Cottage as a mark of respect. |
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Post by southward on Apr 6, 2022 18:03:36 GMT
They should borrow that Michael Jackson statue outside Craven Cottage as a mark of respect. It would end up in red and white, marking Clifford. Noone else is going to want the gig. |
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 6, 2022 21:29:06 GMT
Clarinman, merely on a point of information , Cork GAA did not own Pairc Ui Rinn back in the mid seventies when Pairc Ui Chaoimh was being being refurbished . Back then it was a soccer venue and known as Flower Lodge. I spent many Sundays there watching Cork Hibernians play. Domestic soccer was very strong in those days but lost its way for various reasons and, the unkindest cut of all, lost Flower Lodge to the GAA. I can assure you , not surprisingly, that caused consternation among the soccer fraternity. The much maligned Frank Murphy was a canny operator and made sure his Board were ready to swoop when Flower Lodge/Pairc Ui Rinn came on the market. It was a shrewd investment. Remember Dave Bacussi....I was only read about him last week. He died from covid in 2020. His widow was at the garden of remembrance event. Mick, I remember him well. Dinny Allen played with that team. |
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Post by clarinman on Apr 6, 2022 21:30:42 GMT
I'm with the Munster council on this. The supporters need to be taken into account. It was behind closed doors in 2020. Capacity was limited to 2.5k last year in Killarney and tickets were impossible to get. A venue needs to be chosen to allow those who want to go to attend. Don't forget cork weren't calling for games in pairc ui Rinn when pairc ui chaoimh was being rebuilt. Clarinman, merely on a point of information , Cork GAA did not own Pairc Ui Rinn back in the mid seventies when Pairc Ui Chaoimh was being being refurbished . Back then it was a soccer venue and known as Flower Lodge. I spent many Sundays there watching Cork Hibernians play. Domestic soccer was very strong in those days but lost its way for various reasons and, the unkindest cut of all, lost Flower Lodge to the GAA. I can assure you , not surprisingly, that caused consternation among the soccer fraternity. The much maligned Frank Murphy was a canny operator and made sure his Board were ready to swoop when Flower Lodge/Pairc Ui Rinn came on the market. It was a shrewd investment. Veteran, I was referring to the rebuild of the stadium in 2015 to 17. Cork had no issue playing the 2015 replay in Killarney when Pairc ui Rinn was available. I don't think I go back as far as you but I was at the first Munster final in the new Pairc UI Chaoimh in 1976. Again back then the 1975 Munster final was moved to Killarney to facilitate the construction at Pairc UI Chaoimh. This year's move by Cork to not play the match in Killarney is totally at odds with their decisions when Pairc UI Chaoimh has not been available twice previously. |
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Post by john4 on Apr 6, 2022 21:45:05 GMT
I can't believe that anybody involved in the Kerry senior football camp care where this match will be played.
The people who I feel for most in this whole mess are the ladies footballers of Kerry and Tipperary who might enjoy the atmosphere of playing, (their second half at least), in front of a sizable crowd in Killarney.
I can't see the Munster council changing their minds. What happens if Kerry and Tipperary Lgfa decide that they won't play anywhere only Killarney!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 21:55:33 GMT
Remember Dave Bacussi....I was only read about him last week. He died from covid in 2020. His widow was at the garden of remembrance event. Mick, I remember him well. Dinny Allen played with that team. I remember the Sunday Sports Show on a Sunday night hosted by Brendan oReilly. It covered whatever sport was on that day be in hurling, football, soccer, athletics. It was before the Sunday game came on the scene. It gave good coverage to irish soccer and Miah Dennehy also seemed to score for Cork Hibs and Alfie Hale for Waterford. They were huge occasions with huge crows crammed in. Dinny Allen played with Hibs yes and i think Dave Barry did too. George Best was signed by Cork for a while and that created great excitement. Brendan oReilly was a very amiable host. I loved that show. |
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Post by veteran on Apr 6, 2022 21:55:37 GMT
Clarinman, I accept your point re 2015-2017 but Pairc Ui Rinn wasn’t owned by Cork GAA back in 1975.
However, like you I think Cork should play the game in Killarney and then play in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in 2023 and 2024. Whatever about support for Cork , I expect a huge Kerry following for the game, especially after this NFL campaign. Don’t forget we had 8,000 for the McGrath cup in January.
You refer to the 1976 Munster final , that of course went to a replay and extra time. Like all replays that involves extra time it was epic.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
You refer to the 1976 Munster final , that of course went to a replay and extra time. Like all replays that involves extra time it was epic. The first gamed ended 10 points each. I think Denny Long pointed a free to level it. Back to Cork for the replay. I was behind the goal when the Kerry keeper tried a short kickout which JBM intercepted and ran through and slipped it past Paudie oMahony. Corks tails were up and were 4 or 5 up nearing the end.....then kerry got a free about 21 yards out......Mikey took a short one to Seanie Walsh and he let fly but twas stopped on the line....suddenly mayhem....the umpire is putting up the green flag as the defender is adjudged to be behind the line. Mikey levelled it and Brendan Lynch launched the winning point from 50 yards but the ref blew full time as the ball was nearing the crossbar. More mayhem. Kerry won the extra time well. The Cork Examiner went crazy the following day over the match. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 6, 2022 22:17:22 GMT
Clarinman, I accept your point re 2015-2017 but Pairc Ui Rinn wasn’t owned by Cork GAA back in 1975. However, like you I think Cork should play the game in Killarney and then play in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in 2023 and 2024. Whatever about support for Cork , I expect a huge Kerry following for the game, especially after this NFL campaign. Don’t forget we had 8,000 for the McGrath cup in January. You refer to the 1976 Munster final , that of course went to a replay and extra time. Like all replays that involves extra time it was epic. I remember listening to that 1976 Munster Final in the kitchen of my Grandmother's house in Curraheen. I was 8 and already obsessed with Kerry football. We were all nervous as hell but Nana couldn't even stay in the room she was so worked up. We own that house now and the sacred Heart picture is still on the wall. The house is full of memories. |
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 6, 2022 22:18:43 GMT
One other aspect of this year's Cork-Kerry game is that it's the last time a Cork-Kerry game in the Munster Championship has significance from an All-Ireland Championship prospective, well from a Kerry point of view anyway.
In 2023 Kerry will qualify for the round robin stage of the Championship automatically via their Div 1 league status.
Cork may need to make it to the Munster final in 2023 to avoid the Tailteann cup.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 6, 2022 22:36:14 GMT
You refer to the 1976 Munster final , that of course went to a replay and extra time. Like all replays that involves extra time it was epic. The first gamed ended 10 points each. I think Denny Long pointed a free to level it. Back to Cork for the replay. I was behind the goal when the Kerry keeper tried a short kickout which JBM intercepted and ran through and slipped it past Paudie oMahony. Corks tails were up and were 4 or 5 up nearing the end.....then kerry got a free about 21 yards out......Mikey took a short one to Seanie Walsh and he let fly but twas stopped on the line....suddenly mayhem....the umpire is putting up the green flag as the defender is adjudged to be behind the line. Mikey levelled it and Brendan Lynch launched the winning point from 50 yards but the ref blew full time as the ball was nearing the crossbar. More mayhem. Kerry won the extra time well. The Cork Examiner went crazy the following day over the match. The replay was a crazy game. A lot of controversy over that Kerry goal. I remember in the drawn game that they had to let supporters onto the sideline as the stadium couldn't hold the crowd. Great days. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 6, 2022 23:41:33 GMT
Was it something like 2.10 v 2.10 at full time, before extra time.
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Post by kerrysouth on Apr 6, 2022 23:44:03 GMT
Kerry are right to stay out of this venue mess .unfortunately as the weeks go by nearer the game they will be pressurised into making gesture to cork to offer to play in pairc ui riinn .. again they should politely put all the pressure on the Munster council and just say they are happy to play wherever directed by the Munster council .. I have a nagging feeling that cork have no appetite to play Kerry and get another hiding and would prefer to take the high moral ground and give a walkover knowing they are already assured of making the last 16 in the all Ireland series.. they would then go into this game with a chip on the shoulder ..
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2022 1:44:08 GMT
Surely Cork's main goal in championship is to win a Munster championship?
Or would it be to reach a quarter final?
I would have thought the former.
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Post by decondd2 on Apr 7, 2022 6:31:22 GMT
Kerry are right to stay out of this venue mess .unfortunately as the weeks go by nearer the game they will be pressurised into making gesture to cork to offer to play in pairc ui riinn .. again they should politely put all the pressure on the Munster council and just say they are happy to play wherever directed by the Munster council .. I have a nagging feeling that cork have no appetite to play Kerry and get another hiding and would prefer to take the high moral ground and give a walkover knowing they are already assured of making the last 16 in the all Ireland series.. they would then go into this game with a chip on the shoulder .. If Cork refuse to play they may well be thrown out of the Championship. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2022 7:11:38 GMT
Kerry are right to stay out of this venue mess .unfortunately as the weeks go by nearer the game they will be pressurised into making gesture to cork to offer to play in pairc ui riinn .. again they should politely put all the pressure on the Munster council and just say they are happy to play wherever directed by the Munster council .. I have a nagging feeling that cork have no appetite to play Kerry and get another hiding and would prefer to take the high moral ground and give a walkover knowing they are already assured of making the last 16 in the all Ireland series.. they would then go into this game with a chip on the shoulder .. If Cork refuse to play they may well be thrown out of the Championship. And if the Munster council don't row back they lose 300k approx on an attendance of 10000 and have to pay compo to Sky sports. |
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Post by veteran on Apr 7, 2022 9:58:53 GMT
A memory I have of that 1976 replay is the display of Pat McCarthy from Churchill at midfield. It is appropriate to recall it in the context of our frequent bemoaning our inability to field a ball at midfield in crunch times during the recent NFL.
Pat appeared on the scene in 1975 and I , like a lot of others , had never heard of him. He was living and working up in Kildare at the time . His unheralded appearance illustrates Mick O’Dwyer’s facility for spotting raw, unpolished talent , bringing him along and knocking the rough corners off him and finishing up with a pivotal player. Indeed, he did something similar with Eoin Liston.
In any case, in my view it was Pat McCarthy who probably swung that game for us in extra time with his soaring catches. He formed a formidable midfield pairing with Paudie Lynch against an equally formidable pairing of Denis Long and Dave McCarthy.
Paudie Lynch remains one of my all time favourite Kerry footballers. He was a magnificent all rounder, as complete a footballer as I have seen play for Kerry.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 7, 2022 10:27:57 GMT
A memory I have of that 1976 replay is the display of Pat McCarthy from Churchill at midfield. It is appropriate to recall it in the context of our frequent bemoaning our inability to field a ball at midfield in crunch times during the recent NFL. Pat appeared on the scene in 1975 and I , like a lot of others , had never heard of him. He was living and working up in Kildare at the time . His unheralded appearance illustrates Mick O’Dwyer’s facility for spotting raw, unpolished talent , bringing him along and knocking the rough corners off him and finishing up with a pivotal player. Indeed, he did something similar with Eoin Liston. In any case, in my view it was Pat McCarthy who probably swung that game for us in extra time with his soaring catches. He formed a formidable midfield pairing with Paudie Lynch against an equally formidable pairing of Denis Long and Dave McCarthy. Paudie Lynch remains one of my all time favourite Kerry footballers. He was a magnificent all rounder, as complete a footballer as I have seen play for Kerry. Remember it well - McCarthy was a colossus that day in extra time - I was on the terrace at Blackrock end & can still see him plucking ball after ball from the skies - Paudie Lynch was indeed a great footballer - pace, strength & comfortable kicking off right or left. Great memories! |
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 7, 2022 21:35:03 GMT
The first gamed ended 10 points each. I think Denny Long pointed a free to level it. Back to Cork for the replay. I was behind the goal when the Kerry keeper tried a short kickout which JBM intercepted and ran through and slipped it past Paudie oMahony. Corks tails were up and were 4 or 5 up nearing the end.....then kerry got a free about 21 yards out......Mikey took a short one to Seanie Walsh and he let fly but twas stopped on the line....suddenly mayhem....the umpire is putting up the green flag as the defender is adjudged to be behind the line. Mikey levelled it and Brendan Lynch launched the winning point from 50 yards but the ref blew full time as the ball was nearing the crossbar. More mayhem. Kerry won the extra time well. The Cork Examiner went crazy the following day over the match. The replay was a crazy game. A lot of controversy over that Kerry goal. I remember in the drawn game that they had to let supporters onto the sideline as the stadium couldn't hold the crowd. Great days. I was at the drawn game and couldn’t get into the ground as there was mayhem due to lack of lighting in the tunnels & general chaos - I listened to the first half outside the ground on a “ transistor” that somebody had; at half time I asked a turnstile operator if I could get in & he allowed me to & said follow me - the next time I saw daylight was when doors opened and I was on sideline next to the Kerry bench!! It was bedlam - I remember Ger O’Keeffe receiving a late hit from a Cork player & thought he would never again get up ! Mad days |
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 7, 2022 21:41:26 GMT
Remember Dave Bacussi....I was only read about him last week. He died from covid in 2020. His widow was at the garden of remembrance event. Mick, I remember him well. Dinny Allen played with that team. The sale of Flower Lodge was quite controversial- the ground was owned by an organisation called the AOH - Ancient order of Hibernians & word was that they would not sell to any soccer body - the GAA stepped in, credit to Frank & bought it for something in the region of £200k punts - it was an absolute steal at the time. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 7, 2022 21:46:45 GMT
The full game, the 76 final is up on utube, I came across it in the first lock down and watched it with the young lads, they couldn't get over the just belt it into space and fight your corner for it.
There are some cracking rare ones up.on utube.. U21 vs Donegal mid 80's. Meath Semi in 86. Monaghan draw in 85. Armagh league game mid 80's ..
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Post by veteran on Apr 7, 2022 21:50:10 GMT
Ciarraimick, you refer to the Brian Mullins opening point in 1975 after being floored as you say by a thundering shoulder. I remember saying to my mate at the , that is some score for a man picking himself off the ground . Brian Mullins was a massive player.
Now the real reason I am following up on your post is the name of the man who delivered that shoulder! I have not seen the 1975 final for ages but for the past forty five years or so I have carried around in my mind that it is was Paudie Lynch who delivered that shoulder on Brian Mullins! Look, it is only a pub question but if you have a recording of that match and if you have nothing better to do maybe you would have a look at it. It wouldn’t take long because I think it was the first score of the match.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2022 22:11:19 GMT
Mick, I remember him well. Dinny Allen played with that team. The sale of Flower Lodge was quite controversial- the ground was owned by an organisation called the AOH - Ancient order of Hibernians & word was that they would not sell to any soccer body - the GAA stepped in, credit to Frank & bought it for something in the region of £200k punts - it was an absolute steal at the time. Irish Examiner Logo The real story of how Cork GAA bought Flower Lodge It wasn’t just one of the deals of the century for Cork GAA — those of a soccer persuasion believed the 1989 purchase by Cork County Board of the old Flower Lodge was also the steal of the century. FRI, 11 JUL, 2014 - 01:00 TONY LEEN Only now, some 35 years later, have the full details emerged of how Cork GAA pulled off one of the great coups by purchasing what is now Páirc Ui Rinn from the Ancient Order of Hibernian for around £240,000 — despite Cork City FC appearing certainties to take ownership of a stadium steeped in local football history. In a rare interview, published in tomorrow’s Irish Examiner, Cork GAA secretary Frank Murphy tells how Cork GAA lodged a pair of secret bids through firms of solicitors to ensure the vendors were unaware of their identity. And once they had secured the purchase, how Páirc Uí Chaoimh groundsman Tommy Lynch was dispatched at 8.25pm on a Tuesday night — five minutes before the announcement at a County Board meeting — to alert gobsmacked AOH officers that the GAA were the new owners of Flower Lodge. “It was undoubtedly one of the best pieces of business we have done,” Mr Murphy agreed this week. “When it came on the market, it was on the basis that preference would be given to its retention for sport — but it was open for sport or redevelopment. “We didn’t go directly or first hand, it was all done through legal representatives. We actually made two bids — one on the basis of retention for sport, and one without such a guarantee. We weren’t sure what direction the vendors would take it,” the veteran administrator revealed. “It wasn’t obvious to the AOH that it was the one entity making the two offers. One was lower, the other higher — the latter on the basis of no undertaking for the retention for sport. And it was the lower one was accepted. “Our supposition at the time was they thought it was a soccer bid — because there was an attempt made at the time to find out who the bidders were. We had three sets of solicitors involved in total,” said Mr Murphy. So there was a fear that they may not want to sell to the GAA? “That’s true,” he replied. Things moved quickly once the bid was accepted by the AOH, which was slow to sell to Cork City on the basis that there was no guarantee Flower Lodge would be retained exclusively for sport. “We had a meeting of the executive here on the Tuesday night and they were briefed on the decision. There was a board meeting at 8.30pm so before we informed them the property had been bought, we sent our groundsman, Tommy Lynch, with a letter to the secretary of the AOH to inform them that we were the new owners of Flower Lodge. And that was the first intimation they had who the new owners were.” Mr Murphy’s recollection of Cork City FC’s interest was their difficulty in raising the capital, but Cork GAA had an ace in that regard, having cleared the punishing debt resulting from the redevelopment of Páirc Ui Chaoimh a decade earlier. “The Michael Jackson concerts enabled us to buy Flower Lodge without bank borrowing. That was huge,” Mr Murphy explained. “Those concerts made a huge difference, to be able to buy Flower Lodge without affecting the promotions of the games.” - Full interview with Frank Murphy in tomorrow’s Weekend Sport section MORE COURTS ARTICLES |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2022 22:17:41 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 7, 2022 23:11:16 GMT
Remember it well - McCarthy was a colossus that day in extra time - I was on the terrace at Blackrock end & can still see him plucking ball after ball from the skies - Paudie Lynch was indeed a great footballer - pace, strength & comfortable kicking off right or left. Great memories! Ah yeah Pat Mccarthy was brilliant for Kerry in 75 and v Cork 76 replay in particular. Was quiet in 76 final v Dublin and lost his place then. Was a sub for the 4 in a row team and ended up with Kildare. An honest tough midfielder. If anyone ever watches Kerry s Golden years they will see Brian Mullins got the first point of the game in 75 final after being floored by a thundering shoulder by Pat Mccarthy. He was as strong as an ox. Paudie Lynch was brilliant too and so versatile. A very good midfielder a very good centre forward an excellent wing back and brilliant corner and full back. Two tough men and two great warriors. Did Pat Mc Carthy play with St Brendans in Dublin. They were associated with Grangegorman psychiatric hospital. I played against them back around 1990 and was told that one of their players played for Kerry in 1975. I think it may have been Pat. He was a lot older than me but was as tough as nails even then and ran the show. |
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 7, 2022 23:33:53 GMT
Sully, Pat played with Sallins in Kildare. I never heard of him playing with St Brendans in Dublin and would be strongly of the opinion that he didn't. Coincidentally he played with St Brendans in Kerry, Churchill being his club. The ability to effortlessly out jump all from a standing position was his trademark.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 7, 2022 23:56:14 GMT
Sully, Pat played with Sallins in Kildare. I never heard of him playing with St Brendans in Dublin and would be strongly of the opinion that he didn't. Coincidentally he played with St Brendans in Kerry, Churchill being his club. The ability to effortlessly out jump all from a standing position was his trademark. I have made a few enquiries and now I believe it was Brendan Lynch, and not Pat Mc Carthy. Paudies brother? |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 8, 2022 6:57:16 GMT
Youtube is amazing.
The 1976 Kerry v Cork replay is here. I have never seen this before.
Will watch over the weekend
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 8, 2022 7:20:10 GMT
I watched the opening 5 minutes of the 1975 final. There was more poor football in that 5 minutes than you will see in a full game nowadays.
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