Trivia questions on Kerry GAA

[peanuts]

Apr 24, 2023 20:48:10 GMT peanuts said:

Apr 24, 2023 20:25:33 GMT jerryewe said:

Would it be Johnny Murtagh from Crossmaglen. Pretty sure he played with New York & Louth. I'm actually not sure if he ever played with Armagh funnily enough.

Not the player I have.

Just did a bit of Googling on Murtagh. As far as I can make out he played with Armagh and New York but his transfer to Louth was rejected. Open to correction

[horsebox77]

Apr 24, 2023 21:45:01 GMT ciarraimick said:

Apr 24, 2023 20:55:58 GMT peanuts said:

Just did a bit of Googling on Murtagh. As far as I can make out he played with Armagh and New York but his transfer to Louth was rejected. Open to correction

Ah I have to try again Peanuts. Stefan White or Garvan Ware?

Garvan Weir was some midfielder for Carlow and Eire Óg, very unlucky in the final and replay vs O'Donovan Rossa.

[peanuts]

Apr 24, 2023 21:45:01 GMT ciarraimick said:

Apr 24, 2023 20:55:58 GMT peanuts said:

Just did a bit of Googling on Murtagh. As far as I can make out he played with Armagh and New York but his transfer to Louth was rejected. Open to correction

Ah I have to try again Peanuts. Stefan White or Garvan Ware?

Both played for 2 counties as far as I know.
Interestingly when I was googling Murtagh earlier and he was attempting to transfer to Louth the newspaper article referred to him joining a select few to have played in 3 provinces. The way it was written suggested that there have been others. Fwiw the player I have in mind wasn’t one of them.

[hurlingman]

Re playing with more than one county. A few off the top of my head.

Johnny and Bingo Driscoll from Annascsul played with Kerry and New York. Their father played with Kerry, New York and I think London.

Tom Hannifin from Lispole played with Kerry and Carlow. I think he won a B All-Ireland with Carlow.

Quite a few would have played hurling with Kerry who had played with their own county.

There was a fella in the 2000s JP Ward I think was his name. Played with New York, Westmeath and Offaly. Not sure where he was actually from.

Mayo have had quite a few as well. Billy Joe Padden played with Mayo and oddly Armagh. Alan Costollo was with Mayo and Sligo. I think there was a keeper from Mayo who also played with Sligo. Austin O Mally from Mayo played and then managed Wicklow.

[givehimaball]

There was a sub who came on for New York in the game against Leitrim who was born in London - Killian Butler.
He played club football in London for Tir Chonaill Gaels but I don't know if he ever lined out for London.

[keane]

That's James Loughrey. Some half back line Antrim had that time Justin Crozier, Tony Scullion and Loughrey.

[hurlingman]

Apr 25, 2023 8:19:26 GMT ciarraimick said:

Apr 25, 2023 7:36:17 GMT hurlingman said:

Re playing with more than one county. A few off the top of my head.

Johnny and Bingo Driscoll from Annascsul played with Kerry and New York. Their father played with Kerry, New York and I think London.

Tom Hannifin from Lispole played with Kerry and Carlow. I think he won a B All-Ireland with Carlow.

Quite a few would have played hurling with Kerry who had played with their own county.

There was a fella in the 2000s JP Ward I think was his name. Played with New York, Westmeath and Offaly. Not sure where he was actually from.

Mayo have had quite a few as well. Billy Joe Padden played with Mayo and oddly Armagh. Alan Costollo was with Mayo and Sligo. I think there was a keeper from Mayo who also played with Sligo. Austin O Mally from Mayo played and then managed Wicklow.

Ó Mallet played for Wicklow too.Stephen Kinneavy (Galway) played for both Galway and Kildare as did John Divilly. Martin Carney and Pádraig Brogan played for both Donegal and Mayo
Tomás Tierney for Galway and Mayo. Declan D'Arcy Leitrim and Dublin. The lad from Antrim that played for Cork (forget his name) a good half back. Tomas Walsh (Carlow and Wicklow)

I think there was another Dub with Leitrim around the same time as D'Arcy.

Everywhere Micko went after Kerry he'd lads from other counties.

[horsebox77]

We're discussing players playing with different counties, this was more prevalent I suppose years ago when roads and traffic options were the defining factors. For me in my late teens I couldn't understand the stance by Shay Fahy and Larry Tompkins when with Cork.

But to flip, has any other county player defected to Kerry, I cannot recall any, I remember when Vinny was a coaching officer with the Narries, there was talk of he joining the Kerry Panel, but in all honesty, this was never a runner.

Can anyone name a non-native lining out with the Kerry footballers, it's not a question question, if you get my meaning, more a general query....

[jerryewe]

Apr 25, 2023 9:08:10 GMT givehimaball said:

There was a sub who came on for New York in the game against Leitrim who was born in London - Killian Butler.
He played club football in London for Tir Chonaill Gaels but I don't know if he ever lined out for London.

Yes, he played with London. His brother, Philip (I think), was corner back on London team which reached the Connacht final

[peanuts]

Apr 25, 2023 7:36:17 GMT hurlingman said:

Re playing with more than one county. A few off the top of my head.

Johnny and Bingo Driscoll from Annascsul played with Kerry and New York. Their father played with Kerry, New York and I think London.

Tom Hannifin from Lispole played with Kerry and Carlow. I think he won a B All-Ireland with Carlow.

Quite a few would have played hurling with Kerry who had played with their own county.

There was a fella in the 2000s JP Ward I think was his name. Played with New York, Westmeath and Offaly. Not sure where he was actually from.

Mayo have had quite a few as well. Billy Joe Padden played with Mayo and oddly Armagh. Alan Costollo was with Mayo and Sligo. I think there was a keeper from Mayo who also played with Sligo. Austin O Mally from Mayo played and then managed Wicklow.

Fair play Hurlingman, PJ Ward was the man I was thinking of, played championship for NY, Westmeath and Offaly as you say. I don't know of any others.
I doubt if Gene O'Driscoll played Championship for NY as they didn't play in the championship in his day. I'm pretty sure Tomás Hanafin didn't play championship for Kerry but I think he may have won a Junior AI with Kerry. There are lots of players who played for 2 different counties in the Championship, Eoghan Kerins (Galway & NY) and Shane Carty (Dublin & NY) being recent examples (assuming Carty played Championship for Dublin as he has AI medals). Sean Lowry played for Mayo and Offaly, Martin Carney played from Mayo & Donegal and Seanie Johnston played for Cavan & Kildare.

[OnTheForty]

Apr 25, 2023 14:19:48 GMT hurlingman said:

I think there was another Dub with Leitrim around the same time as D'Arcy.

That was Jason Ward played MF with Leitrim round then. Played with Brigid's of Blanchardstown in All-Ireland club SF vs Gaeltacht.

[Jo90]

Apr 25, 2023 16:30:11 GMT peanuts said:

Apr 25, 2023 7:36:17 GMT hurlingman said:

Re playing with more than one county. A few off the top of my head.

Johnny and Bingo Driscoll from Annascsul played with Kerry and New York. Their father played with Kerry, New York and I think London.

Tom Hannifin from Lispole played with Kerry and Carlow. I think he won a B All-Ireland with Carlow.

Quite a few would have played hurling with Kerry who had played with their own county.

There was a fella in the 2000s JP Ward I think was his name. Played with New York, Westmeath and Offaly. Not sure where he was actually from.

Mayo have had quite a few as well. Billy Joe Padden played with Mayo and oddly Armagh. Alan Costollo was with Mayo and Sligo. I think there was a keeper from Mayo who also played with Sligo. Austin O Mally from Mayo played and then managed Wicklow.

Fair play Hurlingman, PJ Ward was the man I was thinking of, played championship for NY, Westmeath and Offaly as you say. I don't know of any others.
I doubt if Gene O'Driscoll played Championship for NY as they didn't play in the championship in his day. I'm pretty sure Tomás Hanafin didn't play championship for Kerry but I think he may have won a Junior AI with Kerry. There are lots of players who played for 2 different counties in the Championship, Eoghan Kerins (Galway & NY) and Shane Carty (Dublin & NY) being recent examples (assuming Carty played Championship for Dublin as he has AI medals). Sean Lowry played for Mayo and Offaly, Martin Carney played from Mayo & Donegal and Seanie Johnston played for Cavan & Kildare.

Seanie must also have the distinction of the shortest ever hurling career.
Played 40 seconds of Kildare Club Championship hurling having never played at any level or done any training in hurling beforehand.

[thehermit]

Apr 25, 2023 14:56:06 GMT horsebox77 said:

We're discussing players playing with different counties, this was more prevalent I suppose years ago when roads and traffic options were the defining factors. For me in my late teens I couldn't understand the stance by Shay Fahy and Larry Tompkins when with Cork.

But to flip, has any other county player defected to Kerry, I cannot recall any, I remember when Vinny was a coaching officer with the Narries, there was talk of he joining the Kerry Panel, but in all honesty, this was never a runner.

Can anyone name a non-native lining out with the Kerry footballers, it's not a question question, if you get my meaning, more a general query....

Rody Kirwan was part of the breakthrough Kerry time that annexed our first and second AI football tile in 1903/04.

He was a Waterford man.

Wasn't Weeshie born in Cork, and Mickey Sheehy was born in Limerick.

Darren was born in London.

[Jo90]

Danno Keeffe was born in Fermoy and moved to Tralee when he was 9.
Had the record of 7 All-Irelands up until 1986.

Ger Power was born in Limerick and moved to Kerry as a baby.

[horsebox77]

ok, yes.. all those were born or moved at an early age... I'm referring to did anyone in adult years move or defect to Kerry.

[Jo90]

A few Kerrymen moved to other counties as adults, presumably for work purposes, played with those counties before transferring back to win All-Irelands with Kerry:

Tom Prendergast from Keel played with Donegal, Wicklow and Cork before transferring back to Kerry to win 2 All-Irelands and player of the year in 1970.
So played for 4 counties in total.

Tom Moriarty was born in Castlegregory, played with Cork, winning a Munster Final against Kerry in 1952, transferring back to Kerry and winning an All-Ireland in 1955.

Jas Murphy from Tralee played with Cork before moving back to Kerry and captaining Kerry to an All-Ireland in 1953.

John Cronin from Milltown played for Cork, winning Munster titles in 49 and 52 alongside his brother Jim before transferring back to Kerry and winning All-Irelands in 1953 and 1955.

[thehermit]

Apr 26, 2023 21:16:54 GMT horsebox77 said:

ok, yes.. all those were born or moved at an early age... I'm referring to did anyone in adult years move or defect to Kerry.

Like I said Rody Kirwan is one, ended up in Kerry due to work and won two All Irelands with the teams captained by Taddy Gorman and then Austin Stack.

In the other direction you also had Tim O'Donnell and Paul Russell from the great post-Civil War team that played with Dublin in 1935 as they were Gardai based there and Kerry did not field a side in that championship season.

Russell previously played for Dublin in 1927 as well and was said to have played club football in 8 different counties during his career as he was transferred to different parts of the country as part of his policing duties. Must be a record for a Kerryman!

[horsebox77]

I know he moved to Kildare, but did Pat McCarthy tog for the Leinster County.

[glengael]

I recall being dubious about Shea Fahy and Larry Tompkins joining Cork. Being much younger at the time I wasn't aware that there was any tradition of adult players playing with counties other than their own. Shea Fahy was based in Cork with the army but I remember Larry Tompkins case being viewed by many as less, shall we say, straightforward.
Both were instrumental in beating Kerry, albeit a Kerry team in decline.

There was a joke about Micko Dwyer having an instant effect on Kildare football when he was appointed manager in 1990. Within a short time, 1 Kildare man captained an All Ireland winning team and the other was Man of the Match.

[Jo90]

I like to remind Cork people that in the last 49 years, the Cork footballers have won only one All-Ireland.
When they query it, I inform them that it was a combined Kildare-Cork team that won in 89 & 90.

Next year it'll be 50 years 😎

[hurlingman]

Apr 27, 2023 9:12:58 GMT glengael said:

I recall being dubious about Shea Fahy and Larry Tompkins joining Cork. Being much younger at the time I wasn't aware that there was any tradition of adult players playing with counties other than their own. Shea Fahy was based in Cork with the army but I remember Larry Tompkins case being viewed by many as less, shall we say, straightforward.
Both were instrumental in beating Kerry, albeit a Kerry team in decline.

There was a joke about Micko Dwyer having an instant effect on Kildare football when he was appointed manager in 1990. Within a short time, 1 Kildare man captained an All Ireland winning team and the other was Man of the Match.

I also found it interesting how they both came from Kildare at the time when Kildare weren't known for producing players.

Shay Fahy was in the Army in Cork at the time so did have a right to move. Now he could have been encouraged to do so.

Tompkins was a different story. From what I know he's never actually lived in Castlehavan despite playing with them.

[horsebox77]

Did Kerry ever play in Wembley?

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[horsebox77]

Apr 28, 2023 19:30:22 GMT ciarraimick said:

Apr 28, 2023 16:13:47 GMT horsebox77 said:

Did Kerry ever play in Wembley?

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They did indeed. Kerry played Dublin in Wembley stadium in the mid 70s and lost a low scoring game to the Dubs. I'm guessing 1976.

Yes Ciarrai Mick - I've attached a video clip of it

[Jo90]

When did Kerry last lose a Championship game besides to Cork
A. In Killarney?
B. At home besides Killarney?

No Googling (or Binging...)!

[Ballyfireside]

Apr 28, 2023 19:39:09 GMT horsebox77 said:

Apr 28, 2023 19:30:22 GMT ciarraimick said:

They did indeed. Kerry played Dublin in Wembley stadium in the mid 70s and lost a low scoring game to the Dubs. I'm guessing 1976.

Yes Ciarrai Mick - I've attached a video clip of it

I must take a look but did someone tell me Johnny Bunyan was on that day? '75 was his era alright when his wee bro brought Tommy Markam to Ballydonoghue as both bros claimed AI medals on the same afternoon - ah sure we've had worse days than that!

BTW that clip at .75 normal speed is even still too fast - BBC saving electricity or what?

[himself]

Vinnie Murphy did play for the Kerry hurlers. Kerry's full back on the first All Ireland winning team was Rody 'Stonewall' Kirwan, a bank official from Waterford based in Castleisland. The Kirwan brothers were famous athletes from Waterford. I'm sure there are more. A number of Kerry-born players transferred back to Kerry from other counties in the early fifties (because we were weak at the time) and went on to win All Irelands

[ballhopper34]

May 18, 2023 13:58:14 GMT Jo90 said:

When did Kerry last lose a Championship game besides to Cork
A. In Killarney?
B. At home besides Killarney?

No Googling (or Binging...)!

A. Can't recall any loss to anyone other than Cork in Killarney

B. 1934 All-Ireland semi-final loss to Dublin in Tralee is all I can come up with.

[An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch]

May 18, 2023 13:58:14 GMT Jo90 said:

When did Kerry last lose a Championship game besides to Cork
A. In Killarney?
B. At home besides Killarney?

No Googling (or Binging...)!

A Surely one of the losses to Cork in 87 or 88 had to have been in Killarney.

87?

B couldn't even begin to guess, I've seen another answer (AI semi vs Dublin) which I presume is correct. I'd have thought it was some Munster Championship game in some random club grounds in the early 1900s..

[Aodhan]

May 18, 2023 13:58:14 GMT Jo90 said:

When did Kerry last lose a Championship game besides to Cork
A. In Killarney?
B. At home besides Killarney?

No Googling (or Binging...)!

Possibly Tipperary, they did win 4 All Irelands, the last in 1920. They did win more Munster Finals after that. They must have beaten Kerry along the way in Kerry. Don’t know what years though.

[hurlingman]

May 19, 2023 11:12:00 GMT Aodhan said:

May 18, 2023 13:58:14 GMT Jo90 said:

When did Kerry last lose a Championship game besides to Cork
A. In Killarney?
B. At home besides Killarney?

No Googling (or Binging...)!

Possibly Tipperary, they did win 4 All Irelands, the last in 1920. They did win more Munster Finals after that. They must have beaten Kerry along the way in Kerry. Don’t know what years though.

I'm thinking the same. The only Munster championship game outside of a final or to Cork I can think of was against Waterford in the 50s but I think that was away.