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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 12, 2022 1:37:01 GMT
Stefan Okunbar also so 13 or Dan Ó Donoghue 14 but poor Dan won't get a medal I'd say You got it Mick, 13 is the number. Stefan will receive a medal as he was on the 26 man panel for the final. Dan O’Donoghue will not. If the criteria for getting a medal is being on the 26 man panel, then Dara Moynihan won’t get one. |
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 12, 2022 1:41:02 GMT
Both Jo and Mick incorrect. So 11 = 12 but the answer is 13, and if they buy Dan a medal it becomes 14? Maybe you work in the billing department of a firm of solicitors though they normally move the decimal point to the right. For a second there I thought I left out the ‘in’ in incorrect. Bally you have me lost again for the umpteenth time. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 12, 2022 2:09:58 GMT
So 11 = 12 but the answer is 13, and if they buy Dan a medal it becomes 14? Maybe you work in the billing department of a firm of solicitors though they normally move the decimal point to the right. For a second there I thought I left out the ‘in’ in incorrect. Bally you have me lost again for the umpteenth time. Put it down to the weather and the celebrating! BTW they buy medals - hardly leave out poor auld Dan? |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 12, 2022 7:48:30 GMT
How many Kerry players completed the minor/senior All Ireland double on July 24th? It’s so close it’s easy enough to answer but the number is staggering and should never be forgotten. Will it ever be matched again or surpassed, I doubt it. Again one question makes me think of another. Is Paudie Clifford one of the only Kerry players to won an All-Ireland without having played underage with Kerry? I know in the early days of the GAA anyone who won an All Ireland wouldn't have but there was no underage football then. Also a fair few lads would have also won Junior All-Irelands before adding the senior one. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2022 8:03:22 GMT
Is Shane Ryan the only Rathmore all ireland senior medallist to have played minor for Kerry?
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 12, 2022 8:03:25 GMT
How many Kerry players completed the minor/senior All Ireland double on July 24th? It’s so close it’s easy enough to answer but the number is staggering and should never be forgotten. Will it ever be matched again or surpassed, I doubt it. Again one question makes me think of another. Is Paudie Clifford one of the only Kerry players to won an All-Ireland without having played underage with Kerry? I know in the early days of the GAA anyone who won an All Ireland wouldn't have but there was no underage football then. Also a fair few lads would have also won Junior All-Irelands before adding the senior one. Paul Murphy, and he has two. Now. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 12, 2022 8:08:29 GMT
Again one question makes me think of another. Is Paudie Clifford one of the only Kerry players to won an All-Ireland without having played underage with Kerry? I know in the early days of the GAA anyone who won an All Ireland wouldn't have but there was no underage football then. Also a fair few lads would have also won Junior All-Irelands before adding the senior one. Paul Murphy, and he has two. Now. He played U21 in 2012. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 12, 2022 8:09:46 GMT
Is Shane Ryan the only Rathmore all ireland senior medallist to have played minor for Kerry? Declan O Keeffe did. Played in a final in 1990 I think it was. Adain O Mahony did as well but think it was just one game as a sub. |
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Post by veteran on Aug 12, 2022 8:18:03 GMT
Thirteen is an extraordinary haul of players who recently won minor/senior medals. We often say that success at u21 level is more important as a barometer for future senior success. I wonder looking at that statistic. I suppose the trick is to try have success at both underage levels.
Another factor to be deduced from that success is that once more it underlines Peter Keane’s contribution to the cause.
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Post by veteran on Aug 12, 2022 8:21:47 GMT
You got it Mick, 13 is the number. Stefan will receive a medal as he was on the 26 man panel for the final. Dan O’Donoghue will not. If the criteria for getting a medal is being on the 26 man panel, then Dara Moynihan won’t get one. I thought if you played in an All-Ireland semifinal final , as Dara did. you were guaranteed one. That understanding applied one time in any case. |
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 12, 2022 8:26:25 GMT
If the criteria for getting a medal is being on the 26 man panel, then Dara Moynihan won’t get one. I thought if you played in an All-Ireland semifinal final , as Dara did. you were guaranteed one. That understanding applied one time in any case. I'm pretty sure he'll get one. Darragh O Se missed the 2004 final because he was injured but he still got a medal. Would be harsh on him having played every other game to miss out. |
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2022 9:04:04 GMT
there is a possibility that all 36 panel members will get a member, the rule has changed i think. GAA will provide 26, Kerry can buy 12 more.
so based off that, theres the 12 players mentioned who appeared this year plus -
Stefan
Dan O Donoghue
Mike Breen
Cian Gamell
Pa Warren
Donal O Sullivan
so up to potentially 18 minor winners with Medals
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 12, 2022 9:06:24 GMT
So, the question was what have Tom O’Sullivan , Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin got in common. It would appear , as I hinted to Moderator, that there is more than one right answer to the question. There is Moderator’s own answer which presumably is correct. I gave the answer that the fathers of each them also played senior football for Kerry. That is self evidently correct in the case of Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin. The difficulty arises, the difficulty for Moderator at least , arises in the case of Tom O’Sullivan. As far as I know , Dingle Tom and Rathmore Tom did not have a father who played senior for Kerry. The clue is in the existence of the lesser spotted Tom O’Sullivan, if I may put it like that . In other words , three are three Tom O’Sullivan’s , that I am aware of ,who have played senior for Kerry. Of course , the disadvantage of not being from North Kerry is illustrated by this tale! There was a well known footballing O’Sullivan family from Finuge . Christy , the youngest , was probably the most celebrated of them. He won a NFL medal in 1969 and at least one Sigerson medal with UCC and, if I remember correctly, he captained UCC to that victory. Christy had an older brother , Tom, who was indeed a fine footballer. Now, Tom’s senior Kerry career was confined to one game, at most two, in the mid to late sixties. as a full back. The game to which I refer was in a competition known as the Grounds Tournament , played after the conclusion of the championship and before the commencement of the NFL. I think the way it was set up was that there were two semifinals and a final , with the semifinals the reverse of the championship semifinal pairings, Not sure. Now Tom played as a fullback in one of those games and was marking Sean O’Neill from Down. Suffice to say that a full back marking Sean O’Neill did not advance his career prospects a great deal. Tom and Christy had another brother, Timmy, also a fine footballer , Timmy did not play Kerry senior but very likely played for the juniors, The father of the O’Sullivan boys, Paud, played Kerry senior in the mid to late twenties. So there you have it. The fathers of Tom O’Sullivan, Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin played Kerry senior. In other words that is something they have in common. It is remarkable the details you pick up from living in North Kerry! Why not spend your holidays here. If the answer was "their fathers played senior football for Kerry", don't you think I'd list David Moran, Killian Spillane and Adrian Spillane - and that's from this year's team alone. I did err in not including Tomas O'Se and Eamonn Fitzgerald - but that would have ended your train of thought. There are lots of duplicate names if we dip down to include minor and U20/21 grades. Sean Walsh of St. Senan's would be one, as would James Fitzgerald from Lispole.
It's all a bit of fun and we learn something every now and then. There will be trivia questions and there will be trick questions.
Your holiday advice is noted, as is your assumption that I'm not in North Kerry in the first place. There's lots more including just senior players, I just looked at 'O's and there's two John O'Connors, Gene O'Driscolls and Sean O'Sullivans |
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 12, 2022 9:12:37 GMT
If the criteria for getting a medal is being on the 26 man panel, then Dara Moynihan won’t get one. I thought if you played in an All-Ireland semifinal final , as Dara did. you were guaranteed one. That understanding applied one time in any case. The previous rule for Kerry was if you played (i.e. started or came on as sub) in any game in the Munster championship you got a Munster medal. If you started or came on as sub in any game in the All-Ireland championship i.e. semi-final or final you got an All-Ireland medal. |
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 12, 2022 9:16:47 GMT
there is a possibility that all 36 panel members will get a member, the rule has changed i think. GAA will provide 26, Kerry can buy 12 more. so based off that, theres the 12 players mentioned who appeared this year plus - Stefan Dan O Donoghue Mike Breen Cian Gamell Pa Warren Donal O Sullivan so up to potentially 18 minor winners with Medals Yeah, depends on the county. In 2010 Anthony Lynch didn't make the match day panel for any Cork game and I'm not sure if he even took part in one training session yet still got an All-Ireland medal. |
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2022 9:18:46 GMT
if they all are part of the panel, train equally, they should all get a medal. the olden days of only 21 medals, was completly insane, thankfully its been rectified.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 12, 2022 9:25:32 GMT
Thirteen is an extraordinary haul of players who recently won minor/senior medals. We often say that success at u21 level is more important as a barometer for future senior success. I wonder looking at that statistic. I suppose the trick is to try have success at both underage levels. Another factor to be deduced from that success is that once more it underlines Peter Keane’s contribution to the cause. Not dismissing Peter’s contribution but Jack would have coached 8/9 of those minors in 2014 & ‘15. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 12, 2022 10:37:12 GMT
Sounds like if the County Board put their hand in their pocket, you could end up with almost 40 players picking up medals.
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Post by tpo on Aug 12, 2022 10:38:36 GMT
Think only 35 con panel
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 12, 2022 10:50:54 GMT
I make it 36 but the lines can be blurry as to who is in |
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Post by veteran on Aug 12, 2022 10:53:36 GMT
Does the facility to buy medals by the county board cheapen their value/prestige? I am a bit uneasy with it.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 12, 2022 11:18:16 GMT
It is a 35 man panel at least these days so would seem unfair to not give medals to 10 players who have put in the same training and effort if not more than those who have played.
At the end of the day, a medal is just a nice piece of recognition for the effort put in.
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Post by veteran on Aug 12, 2022 13:16:35 GMT
I expressed a certain unease about county boards being able to buy extra medals and one contributor replied that it would be unfair not to give medals to the entire panel of thirty five, going on to say "at the end of the day, a medal is just a nice piece of recognition for the effort put in". A nice piece of recognition? There was I thinking that a medal was the most coveted prize in football, awarded on merit to just the chosen few. Of course, because it is so sought after it is appropriate that only the chosen few get it and not also those "who put in the effort". Merit must be rewarded.
You may say that it is cruel to have fellows leaving empty handed after putting in this huge effort during the year. But of course they are not leaving empty handed. They have had the indescribable privilege of working under a top management team, having top of the range sports facilities at their disposal, having sports specialists of every hue at their beck and call and playing with and observing the supreme footballers in the county, indeed in the country as it panned out this year. At the end of the season, any footballer worth his salt should return to his club an immeasurably better footballer than when he first reported for duty. That is an award to die for. If he doesn't emerge an immeasurably better footballer then he shouldn't be in there in the first place and should not be invited back next year. In other words, you reward the elite while saying that mediocrity doesn't pass muster. Otherwise nobody gets a medal. Now, if the "disappointed" player was indeed a diligent student and is invited back ,there is every chance he will make the cut the following year for a medal if good fortune decrees that Kerry retain the title. I cannot think of anything fairer.
That is the way life outside sport works as well. There maybe several applicants for a job , students applying , for example, for a place in nursing or medicine or engineering, in spite of putting in the same graft, are going to be disappointed when the number of applicants outnumber the number of jobs/places available.
It is case of, if at first your task is hard try again.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 12, 2022 13:26:12 GMT
The most coveted prize in football is winning the all Ireland not the medal.
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Post by veteran on Aug 12, 2022 13:34:47 GMT
The most coveted prize in football is winning the all Ireland not the medal. Are they separate entities ? As an example, in 1997 I think it was , Mike Hassett was very disgruntled that he didn’t get a medal even though Kerry won the All-Ireland. There are countless other examples of players not getting the medal even though the All-Ireland was secured. Names don’t spring readily to mind now . In any case , I think we will differ on this matter. |
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 12, 2022 13:51:03 GMT
there is a possibility that all 36 panel members will get a member, the rule has changed i think. GAA will provide 26, Kerry can buy 12 more. so based off that, theres the 12 players mentioned who appeared this year plus - Stefan Dan O Donoghue Mike Breen Cian Gamell Pa Warren Donal O Sullivan so up to potentially 18 minor winners with Medals I'm pretty sure that all of the 36 on the panel will get one. I just checked the program from the final and there is a panel of 36 named by Kerry. Galway had a panel of 40. I'm nearly certain that the county board for the winning team can buy an unlimited number of extra medals - so if Galway won all 40 on their panel would have got a medal. I think this is a far better and more equitable situation that it used to be - far too many lads over the years missed out on medals due to picking up an injury or being 21st in the pecking order as opposed to 20th or being dropped for the final or the like. Given the time and effort put in by lads on the panel I think anything else would be a travesty. |
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Post by taibhse on Aug 12, 2022 17:32:59 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly, I don't remember Gooch playing any part of the Championship 2014 and wasn't listed as a sub in the Final. But I believe that he was given a medal.
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 12, 2022 17:37:37 GMT
I’m going to be very disappointed if they don’t buy me a medal.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2022 19:06:17 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly, I don't remember Gooch playing any part of the Championship 2014 and wasn't listed as a sub in the Final. But I believe that he was given a medal. In my head he was listed as a sub. I think #28. He warmed up iirc |
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2022 19:18:43 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly, I don't remember Gooch playing any part of the Championship 2014 and wasn't listed as a sub in the Final. But I believe that he was given a medal. He was tagged off and ready to play that day. Back then, you didn't have to be named to make the panel |
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