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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 10, 2022 22:47:49 GMT
Tomàs O'Sè and Dingle's Dancer Tomås O'Sè played McGrath and National League
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Post by Moderator on Aug 10, 2022 22:48:20 GMT
Actually Moderator. The mind is racing now but I think there was an Eamonn Fitzgerald that played with Kerry and Maurice Fitzgerald Dad Ned played with Kerry and Ned would be short for Edward or Eamonn. Eamonn Fitzgerald (Dr. Crokes) was in goal 1972-1973. There was another Eamonn Fitzgerald from Caherdaniel who won All-Ireland medals in 1930 and 1931, and was also an Olympian in 1932, I think. So that name should have been on my list
Maurice's Dad was Edward.
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Post by smokey on Aug 10, 2022 22:50:58 GMT
What about the 2 Tomas O'Ses from An Gaeltacht, how come they don't meet the criteria? The dancer definitely played championship. As an aside Is it just championship appearances? I'm no historian but you'd imagine there would be more given the small pool of first names used in the past. Researching that would be a right minefield, from my experience there are loads of the older generation that go by a name different to what they were christened!
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Post by smokey on Aug 10, 2022 22:58:25 GMT
Tomàs O'Sè and Dingle's Dancer Tomås O'Sè played McGrath and National League Horsebox you beat me to it, I was too slow typing! He played championship as well. He definitely came on to see out a game, he was no sooner on and he got the road. I think it was the super 8 game against Galway in 2018, I can't remember if they ever trusted him again with minutes after that.
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Post by Moderator on Aug 10, 2022 23:02:24 GMT
What about the 2 Tomas O'Ses from An Gaeltacht, how come they don't meet the criteria? The dancer definitely played championship. As an aside Is it just championship appearances? I'm no historian but you'd imagine there would be more given the small pool of first names used in the past. Researching that would be a right minefield, from my experience there are loads of the older generation that go by a name different to what they were christened!
The Dancer (used sub in draw v Donegal 2019) and Footballer of the Year 2004 is another pair.
Birth cert name versus real life name would indeed be a minefield (I actually fall into that category myself).
Not to mention the odd lad (I'm aware of at least one) that played under a fake name/assumed identity for the day - not because he was suspended or anything, but I believe he was broken out of an institution so he could play in a final. He was caught it seems, and sent far, far away at the earliest opportune moment (but that might have been after his ordination).
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 10, 2022 23:12:20 GMT
Tomàs O'Sè and Dingle's Dancer Tomås O'Sè played McGrath and National League Horsebox you beat me to it, I was too slow typing! He played championship as well. He definitely came on to see out a game, he was no sooner on and he got the road. I think it was the super 8 game against Galway in 2018, I can't remember if they ever trusted him again with minutes after that. Ah great minds and all that... just thinking... moderator this is a mine field.. how many John Joe Sheehys played for Kerry?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 6:37:51 GMT
John Joe Sheehy played a league game v Dublin in Croker in the late 80s or early 90s....i was at it.
Grandson of the famous John Joe.
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Post by Moderator on Aug 11, 2022 6:48:56 GMT
What about the 1998 minor team that had three Ronan O'Connor names in the starting 15...right corner back was from Ballyduff, left half back was from Kilcummin and right corner forward was from St. Michael's/Foilmore.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 7:11:48 GMT
Was it unique to see two players with the same name playing on opposite teams in championship as we saw in the Kerry Mayo game
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 7:12:22 GMT
Was it unique to see two players with the same name playing on opposite teams in championship as we saw in the Kerry Mayo game And i am not saying i know the answer
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Post by veteran on Aug 11, 2022 8:53:46 GMT
So, the question was what have Tom O’Sullivan , Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin got in common. It would appear , as I hinted to Moderator, that there is more than one right answer to the question.
There is Moderator’s own answer which presumably is correct.
I gave the answer that the fathers of each them also played senior football for Kerry. That is self evidently correct in the case of Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin. The difficulty arises, the difficulty for Moderator at least , arises in the case of Tom O’Sullivan. As far as I know , Dingle Tom and Rathmore Tom did not have a father who played senior for Kerry. The clue is in the existence of the lesser spotted Tom O’Sullivan, if I may put it like that . In other words , three are three Tom O’Sullivan’s , that I am aware of ,who have played senior for Kerry. Of course , the disadvantage of not being from North Kerry is illustrated by this tale!
There was a well known footballing O’Sullivan family from Finuge . Christy , the youngest , was probably the most celebrated of them. He won a NFL medal in 1969 and at least one Sigerson medal with UCC and, if I remember correctly, he captained UCC to that victory.
Christy had an older brother , Tom, who was indeed a fine footballer. Now, Tom’s senior Kerry career was confined to one game, at most two, in the mid to late sixties. as a full back. The game to which I refer was in a competition known as the Grounds Tournament , played after the conclusion of the championship and before the commencement of the NFL. I think the way it was set up was that there were two semifinals and a final , with the semifinals the reverse of the championship semifinal pairings, Not sure. Now Tom played as a fullback in one of those games and was marking Sean O’Neill from Down. Suffice to say that a full back marking Sean O’Neill did not advance his career prospects a great deal.
Tom and Christy had another brother, Timmy, also a fine footballer , Timmy did not play Kerry senior but very likely played for the juniors,
The father of the O’Sullivan boys, Paud, played Kerry senior in the mid to late twenties.
So there you have it. The fathers of Tom O’Sullivan, Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin played Kerry senior. In other words that is something they have in common.
It is remarkable the details you pick up from living in North Kerry! Why not spend your holidays here.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 11, 2022 9:12:27 GMT
Actually Moderator. The mind is racing now but I think there was an Eamonn Fitzgerald that played with Kerry and Maurice Fitzgerald Dad Ned played with Kerry and Ned would be short for Edward or Eamonn. Eamonn Fitzgerald (Dr. Crokes) was in goal 1972-1973. There was another Eamonn Fitzgerald from Caherdaniel who won All-Ireland medals in 1930 and 1931, and was also an Olympian in 1932, I think. So that name should have been on my list
Maurice's Dad was Edward.
He got an injury training for the LA Olympics that reoccurred when the Irish team arrived in the States, but they managed to seek out the best medical help that was on hand in the Olympic Village and he was able to compete in the long jump. He came fourth, some Japanese athlete won gold but Fitzgerald's jump was only just over an inch short. In fact I read his jump would have won gold in most of the previous modern Olympics so small margins.
He died of TB as a young man, in poverty and alone, and was buried in a paupers grave in Dublin where he had worked as a teacher. It was Weeshie Fogarty that found about his sad end and got a campaign together to erect a proper headstone over his grave.
What a sad end, can you imagine today the status a man like him would have an Olympian and twice All-Ireland winner?
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 11, 2022 10:16:09 GMT
Well there was Dermot Hanafin Jnr and senior and I think Tom Spillane Dad was Tom also but not sure about Tom Ó Sullivan. I ll guess all 3 men had sons that played senior for Kerry Is Dingle Tom the son of Rathmore Tom? I seriously doubt it. But it's time to put you out of your misery (and before veteran upscuttles me)...those three names are the only duplicate names that played senior football for Kerry. Tom Spillane and his son Tom, Dermot Hannafin and his son Dermot, and the unrelated Tom O'Sullvan's of Rathmore and Dingle. Gerard Murphy (Laune Rangers) and Jerry Murphy (Rathmore) would need birth cert examination to confirm. Tim and Tadhg are considered by some to be the same name. I can't wait for a member of this year's minor panel, James Fitzgerald (Lispole) to make a breakthrough and we can pair him up with Seamus Mac Gearailt!!!
Two John O'Connors from Kerins O Rahillys played senior football (league only) for Kerry, one in the 50s, one in 2001. Two Gene O'Driscolls from Annascaul played senior championship football for Kerry, one in 1962, the other in he 90s (presuming 'Bingo' isn't on one of their's birth cert!) Also two Sean O'Sullivans, Cromane and Sneem.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 11, 2022 10:23:42 GMT
John Joe Sheehy played a league game v Dublin in Croker in the late 80s or early 90s....i was at it. Grandson of the famous John Joe. Another question would be how many John Joe's played senior for Kerry?
Sheehy and his grandson are two you've gotten already.
BTW love the new pic Mickmack if that isn't on the cover of this year's A Season of Sunday's then its a disgrace! Best photo of the year by a mile!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 10:39:54 GMT
John Joe Sheehy played a league game v Dublin in Croker in the late 80s or early 90s....i was at it. Grandson of the famous John Joe. Another question would be how many John Joe's played senior for Kerry? Sheehy and his grandson are two you've gotten already.
BTW love the new pic Mickmack if that isn't on the cover of this year's A Season of Sunday's then its a disgrace! Best photo of the year by a mile! Yeah its a great pic. That moment at the final whistle v Dublin! That sense of release, adrenalin,joy. I cant recall anything like it ever following Kerry anyway. Plenty of other counties experienced it against us.... Seamus Darby 1982, Tadhg Murphy 1983, Cluxton 2011. Did Kerry ever win an all ireland by a late goal that put then into the lead. I know there were last minute goals to force a draw with the replay being won by Kerry. When did we even win such a momentous match in that fashion? When did we last win by a last minute point even. I am talking about knockout QF, SF or Finals which would include the munster finsl in the pre back door era.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 11, 2022 10:58:18 GMT
Another question would be how many John Joe's played senior for Kerry? Sheehy and his grandson are two you've gotten already.
BTW love the new pic Mickmack if that isn't on the cover of this year's A Season of Sunday's then its a disgrace! Best photo of the year by a mile! Yeah its a great pic. That moment at the final whistle v Dublin! That sense of release, adrenalin,joy. I cant recall anything like it ever following Kerry anyway. Plenty of other counties experienced it against us.... Seamus Darby 1982, Tadhg Murphy 1983, Cluxton 2011. Did Kerry ever win an all ireland by a late goal that put then into the lead. I know there were last minute goals to force a draw with the replay being won by Kerry. When did we even win such a momentous match in that fashion? I can't remember Kerry ever scoring a late goal in any match to turn the tide and end up winning. The closest I know of were: - Mikey Sheehy in 87 when 2 points down v Cork, but Tompkins then equalised - Declan O'Sullivan in 07 v Monaghan, but that was in the 57th minute and brought us from 5 pts down to 2 pts down and then Kerry scored 3 more points to win by 1. - 1926 Kerry scored a last minute goal to equalise v Kildare in the final and then won the replay.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 11, 2022 11:45:48 GMT
Yeah that's a bit mad when you think about it. I'm trying to recall myself any games over the last 20 odd years. Marc's great solo free against Cork in the Munster replay in 2010 brought the game to extra time, but it wasn't a knock-out obviously.
Didn't Declan get a goal late on to turn the game after Cluxton kicked the ball to him in the 07 Semi Final?
There was Star's set up for JOD's goal that left us one behind in the first encounter against Mayo in the 2014 semi, we had the momentum then to eek out the draw.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 12:12:01 GMT
We had two massive points from Maurice of course to force replays... 2000 and 2001. Winning though is a different emotion. Especially against Dublin. It was great to be there to see it. I spose the punched point v Monaghan in 2006 by Tomas was in the same category but beating poor ould Monaghan with its small playing population just aint the same!
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 11, 2022 13:17:32 GMT
Not just no Stacks in 2000 but no Tralee, even including subs. And no Killarney players in 1997, so can't even make the 8 with Killarney or Tralee players. I wonder was that the only time Kerry won an All Ireland without anyone from Tralee?
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 11, 2022 13:20:08 GMT
Garda headquarters can have a huge say in the destination of the Sam Maguire at times. They decide where a rookie guard is sent to and 25 years later, his or her offspring can be an All Ireland winner. Bernard Brogan from the 1970s had a father from Mayo who was posted to Dublin. Michael Murphy had a father from Mayo who was posted to Donegal...imagine if he had been posted to Dublin. Brian Fenton as we know is another...father from Kerry is a guard in Dublin. I have it in my head that Pa Laides father was a guard posted to Tralee but he was not from Kerry. I could be wrong though. Jim Gavins father was a guard too i think....a Clareman So...can we pick a team of all ireland winners who parent was a guard born in another county? This made me think about something. Before this year when was the last time Kerry won an All Ireland without a guard as part of the panel? Who was the last Army man? Was Tommy Doyle in the Army when he won his first medals?
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 11, 2022 13:45:15 GMT
Garda headquarters can have a huge say in the destination of the Sam Maguire at times. They decide where a rookie guard is sent to and 25 years later, his or her offspring can be an All Ireland winner. Bernard Brogan from the 1970s had a father from Mayo who was posted to Dublin. Michael Murphy had a father from Mayo who was posted to Donegal...imagine if he had been posted to Dublin. Brian Fenton as we know is another...father from Kerry is a guard in Dublin. I have it in my head that Pa Laides father was a guard posted to Tralee but he was not from Kerry. I could be wrong though. Jim Gavins father was a guard too i think....a Clareman So...can we pick a team of all ireland winners who parent was a guard born in another county? This made me think about something. Before this year when was the last time Kerry won an All Ireland without a guard as part of the panel? Who was the last Army man? Was Tommy Doyle in the Army when he won his first medals? Who were the Gardai from 84-86 as Páidí had left the Gardaí by then and John Egan had retired?
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Post by mafi97 on Aug 11, 2022 16:39:37 GMT
Yeah that's a bit mad when you think about it. I'm trying to recall myself any games over the last 20 odd years. Marc's great solo free against Cork in the Munster replay in 2010 brought the game to extra time, but it wasn't a knock-out obviously. Didn't Declan get a goal late on to turn the game after Cluxton kicked the ball to him in the 07 Semi Final? There was Star's set up for JOD's goal that left us one behind in the first encounter against Mayo in the 2014 semi, we had the momentum then to eek out the draw.By Jim Brosnan scored a last minute goal in the 1956 Munster Final to snatch a draw - a complete steal. By half-time we had scored exactly zero. Cork should have won by 15-20 lengths. They had something like 26 wides - half of them from right in front of the posts. In the second half they gave up completely on trying the kick the ball and resorted exclusively to punching all their scoring efforts. When was the last time we went in at half-time with zero on the scoreboard?
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 11, 2022 17:24:51 GMT
How many Kerry players completed the minor/senior All Ireland double on July 24th? It’s so close it’s easy enough to answer but the number is staggering and should never be forgotten. Will it ever be matched again or surpassed, I doubt it.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 11, 2022 17:55:59 GMT
How many Kerry players completed the minor/senior All Ireland double on July 24th? It’s so close it’s easy enough to answer but the number is staggering and should never be forgotten. Will it ever be matched again or surpassed, I doubt it. 11?
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Post by Moderator on Aug 11, 2022 18:50:28 GMT
So, the question was what have Tom O’Sullivan , Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin got in common. It would appear , as I hinted to Moderator, that there is more than one right answer to the question. There is Moderator’s own answer which presumably is correct. I gave the answer that the fathers of each them also played senior football for Kerry. That is self evidently correct in the case of Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin. The difficulty arises, the difficulty for Moderator at least , arises in the case of Tom O’Sullivan. As far as I know , Dingle Tom and Rathmore Tom did not have a father who played senior for Kerry. The clue is in the existence of the lesser spotted Tom O’Sullivan, if I may put it like that . In other words , three are three Tom O’Sullivan’s , that I am aware of ,who have played senior for Kerry. Of course , the disadvantage of not being from North Kerry is illustrated by this tale! There was a well known footballing O’Sullivan family from Finuge . Christy , the youngest , was probably the most celebrated of them. He won a NFL medal in 1969 and at least one Sigerson medal with UCC and, if I remember correctly, he captained UCC to that victory. Christy had an older brother , Tom, who was indeed a fine footballer. Now, Tom’s senior Kerry career was confined to one game, at most two, in the mid to late sixties. as a full back. The game to which I refer was in a competition known as the Grounds Tournament , played after the conclusion of the championship and before the commencement of the NFL. I think the way it was set up was that there were two semifinals and a final , with the semifinals the reverse of the championship semifinal pairings, Not sure. Now Tom played as a fullback in one of those games and was marking Sean O’Neill from Down. Suffice to say that a full back marking Sean O’Neill did not advance his career prospects a great deal. Tom and Christy had another brother, Timmy, also a fine footballer , Timmy did not play Kerry senior but very likely played for the juniors, The father of the O’Sullivan boys, Paud, played Kerry senior in the mid to late twenties. So there you have it. The fathers of Tom O’Sullivan, Tom Spillane and Dermot Hannafin played Kerry senior. In other words that is something they have in common. It is remarkable the details you pick up from living in North Kerry! Why not spend your holidays here. If the answer was "their fathers played senior football for Kerry", don't you think I'd list David Moran, Killian Spillane and Adrian Spillane - and that's from this year's team alone.
I did err in not including Tomas O'Se and Eamonn Fitzgerald - but that would have ended your train of thought. There are lots of duplicate names if we dip down to include minor and U20/21 grades. Sean Walsh of St. Senan's would be one, as would James Fitzgerald from Lispole.
It's all a bit of fun and we learn something every now and then. There will be trivia questions and there will be trick questions.
Your holiday advice is noted, as is your assumption that I'm not in North Kerry in the first place.
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 11, 2022 20:47:48 GMT
Both Jo and Mick incorrect.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 11, 2022 20:50:46 GMT
You could add a few more to that if you included non playing members of the panel and extended panel.
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 11, 2022 21:11:08 GMT
Both Jo and Mick incorrect. Stefan Okunbar also so 13 or Dan Ó Donoghue 14 but poor Dan won't get a medal I'd say You got it Mick, 13 is the number. Stefan will receive a medal as he was on the 26 man panel for the final. Dan O’Donoghue will not.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 11, 2022 23:02:31 GMT
Yeah that's a bit mad when you think about it. I'm trying to recall myself any games over the last 20 odd years. Marc's great solo free against Cork in the Munster replay in 2010 brought the game to extra time, but it wasn't a knock-out obviously. Didn't Declan get a goal late on to turn the game after Cluxton kicked the ball to him in the 07 Semi Final? There was Star's set up for JOD's goal that left us one behind in the first encounter against Mayo in the 2014 semi, we had the momentum then to eek out the draw.By Jim Brosnan scored a last minute goal in the 1956 Munster Final to snatch a draw - a complete steal. By half-time we had scored exactly zero. Cork should have won by 15-20 lengths. They had something like 26 wides - half of them from right in front of the posts. In the second half they gave up completely on trying the kick the ball and resorted exclusively to punching all their scoring efforts. When was the last time we went in at half-time with zero on the scoreboard? I must read up about that game as I never knew that story at all. Google tells me they lost the replay anyway.
Remarkable to think Cork were so dominant considering we were the reigning All Ireland champions and Dr Eamon probably had his finest hour the previous Sept when Kerry outfoxed and vanquished the supposedly unstoppable 'Dublin machine'.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 11, 2022 23:41:56 GMT
Both Jo and Mick incorrect. So 11 = 12 but the answer is 13, and if they buy Dan a medal it becomes 14? Maybe you work in the billing department of a firm of solicitors though they normally move the decimal point to the right.
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