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Post by dc84 on Apr 2, 2022 7:52:04 GMT
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Post by taggert on Apr 2, 2022 8:01:02 GMT
No Durcan either - savage footballer.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 2, 2022 8:22:54 GMT
Their forwards dont look particularly threatening - McDonagh must be injured, thought he would be on the panel at least.
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Post by mike70 on Apr 2, 2022 8:31:23 GMT
no issue with coen , sure we will be playing 2 man FF so I assume he will follow SOB
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Post by peanuts on Apr 2, 2022 10:39:13 GMT
DOC and Durcan big losses to Mayo.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 2, 2022 10:43:34 GMT
no issue with coen , sure we will be playing 2 man FF so I assume he will follow SOB Didn't Coen line out full back in the all Ireland final last year?
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Post by fitz on Apr 2, 2022 11:02:31 GMT
Still a solid team with strong options from bench too but Durcan, O'Connor and Hennelly (frees, 45s) are big losses. Defintely put the heat on their keeper for kickouts. Hopefully the rain holds off...
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2022 11:10:39 GMT
Some random thoughts..
In my opinion over the past 30 or 40 years Mayo have had only 3 or 4 really great forwards that you could depend on to deliver when needed.
Three of them would be James Horan, Andy Moran and Cillian oConnor. I would include Lee Keegan too even though he wasnt played upfront.
They have had dozens of forwards who will chip in with a couple of points on a good day while also hitting 3 or 4 wides.
Somedays when the stars align they they might all hit a purple patch for 30 minutes and they can take down any team then. Like v Dublin in 2012 and 2021. Sadly Andy was missing for the 2012 final and Cillian was missing for the 2021 final.
Mayo had a great team there in 2016 and 2017 with both Cillian and Andy together and it took the greatest panel of players ever assembled to beat them....by a point.
I think Mayo have regressed a good bit since then. They reached the 2020 final by beat Tipp but that was all surreal in Covid.
They hit Dublin with one of those purple patches in the last 20 minutes plus extra time of last years semi final aided by a few breaks from the ref that were a long time coming in that rivalry.
Without Cillian Mayo were poor v Tyrone in the final.
If they do manage to beat Galway and Roscommon in Connacht then i dont think they would beat Tyrone in the semi final if Tyrone arent ambushed in Ulster of course. Tyrone are always 4 or 5 points a better team in Croker and having the 2021 Ulster final in Croker suited them perfectly.
Anyway, in a roundabout way i am saying that Kerry should be beating Mayo tomorrow. The Kerry forwards v the Mayo backs looks a real contest.
Not so sure that the Mayo forwards as selected are capable of putting up a big score.
Of course Kerry if lose possession from its own restarts then the game tips immediately in Mayo favour. Hennelly is out so the new guy may struggle in that department for Mayo.
Any weaknesses by Mayo have could be shown up in the Connacht championship.
Not necessarily so in the case of Kerry. Its why i hope the Kerry v Cork game goes ahead in Pairc URinn in a febrile atmosphere. The last thing Kerry need is a repeat of last years game in Killarney v Cork.
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Post by mike70 on Apr 2, 2022 13:36:19 GMT
Just off topic on Mayo, if they are beaten by Galway, that means there into the qualifier round, which might afford them some easier games to bring cillian o connor up to speed, let us not for get, for the top 16 teams there is a back door, one of the pundits suggested it might be easier navigate the qualifiers than try win ulster.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 2, 2022 13:58:12 GMT
Just off topic on Mayo, if they are beaten by Galway, that means there into the qualifier round, which might afford them some easier games to bring cillian o connor up to speed, let us not for get, for the top 16 teams there is a back door, one of the pundits suggested it might be easier navigate the qualifiers than try win ulster. Qualifiers don't contain Div 3 and Div 4 fodder though - unlike the Connacht SF.
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Post by fitz on Apr 2, 2022 14:03:07 GMT
I think it’s a lot to expect for Cillian O’Connor to have significant impact after such an injury. He’s just shy of 30, lot ball played. Gooch certainly wasn’t the same back in 2015 on his return
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Post by mike70 on Apr 2, 2022 14:06:09 GMT
Just off topic on Mayo, if they are beaten by Galway, that means there into the qualifier round, which might afford them some easier games to bring cillian o connor up to speed, let us not for get, for the top 16 teams there is a back door, one of the pundits suggested it might be easier navigate the qualifiers than try win ulster. Qualifiers don't contain Div 3 and Div 4 fodder though - unlike the Connacht SF. plenty fodder in div 2 Limerick Meath cork and dublin 😂😂😂
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Post by dc84 on Apr 2, 2022 15:09:45 GMT
There will only be 2 qualifier rounds though high chance all 8 teams in provincial finals will be from d1 or d2 which would mean one round no? There needs to be 4 teams out of qualifiers to play quarter finals so most likely only 2 games for loser of Galway mayo with the likes of armagh, Donegal, Derry kildare Meath etc difficult enough!
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 2, 2022 15:23:20 GMT
Big game for NK Ref Brendan Griffin now in Croker for Div. 3 final between Louth and Limerick. A very fair and level headed ref, best of luck to the man.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Apr 2, 2022 17:18:39 GMT
The big thing tomorrow is the midfield battle.Mayo beat us midfield in Tralee and Mayo outscored us too 14 scores to 13 but we got a great goal from Tony Brosnan I know its an old cliché about midfield but I do really think its very important tomorrow.We have won 5 games in the league and one draw and we have struggled midfield for the most part.If we break 50/50 tomorrow midfield we will win. Ryan is in goal so everything will be short.
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Post by mossie on Apr 2, 2022 17:56:35 GMT
Ah Veteran I'm sure you remember 1987 to 96 inclusive when we were beaten constantly midfield and we had Jacko then but he was fading midfield and moved into forwards. We had Darragh and Moynihan there in 96 well beaten by Mayo midfield. We went through some amount of midfielders those years from Jacko Dermot Hanafin Timmy Dowd Timmy Fleming Joe Shannon Bernard McElligott Conor Kearney Liam Flaherty Séamus Moynihan Anthony Gleeson Darragh Ó Sé and more úr then in 97 we came good with Darragh and William Kirby and then Dónal Daly Séamus Scanlon etc of course not forgetting Mick Galwey the maestro himself Maurice played midfield in that era and Noel Ó Mahony. We tried so many midfielders in that era it was scary! some amount of midfelders used then alright! Noel O'Mahony was a tall man! Daragh and Moynihan at midfield , pity that didnt get a chance to develop
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 2, 2022 21:13:48 GMT
We had some fine players in the lean years that were just landed in a barron period, similar to midfield, we had a plethora of full backs those days as well until Barry O'Shea came along, I always had great time for Anthony Gleeson but like I said, just arrived on the scene at a bad spell.
Actually speaking of mid fielders and full backs, Ambrose came on as s sub in 1992 against Clare, I though he finished up then but came across a programme where he played in 1993. In 1993, our mid fielders were McElligott, Hanafin with Kearney and O'Mahony being the bench lads... s o when did Ambrose depart?
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Post by Moderator on Apr 2, 2022 21:48:46 GMT
We had some fine players in the lean years that were just landed in a barron period, similar to midfield, we had a plethora of full backs those days as well until Barry O'Shea came along, I always had great time for Anthony Gleeson but like I said, just arrived on the scene at a bad spell. Actually speaking of mid fielders and full backs, Ambrose came on as s sub in 1992 against Clare, I though he finished up then but came across a programme where he played in 1993. In 1993, our mid fielders were McElligott, Hanafin with Kearney and O'Mahony being the bench lads... s o when did Ambrose depart?Ambrose appeared in first 3 games in the 1993 league...where he played at full back in all 3. In those days the league started in October and the last game Ambrose played was a 5-20 to 1-3 win over Kilkenny in Kilkenny on 15 November 1992.
He didn't start or come on as a sub in any more games that league campaign in 1993, but I don't know if he officially retired over the Christmas or what.
Great trivia question on his last appearance for Kerry.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 2, 2022 22:29:41 GMT
We had some fine players in the lean years that were just landed in a barron period, similar to midfield, we had a plethora of full backs those days as well until Barry O'Shea came along, I always had great time for Anthony Gleeson but like I said, just arrived on the scene at a bad spell. Actually speaking of mid fielders and full backs, Ambrose came on as s sub in 1992 against Clare, I though he finished up then but came across a programme where he played in 1993. In 1993, our mid fielders were McElligott, Hanafin with Kearney and O'Mahony being the bench lads... s o when did Ambrose depart?Ambrose appeared in first 3 games in the 1993 league...where he played at full back in all 3. In those days the league started in October and the last game Ambrose played was a 5-20 to 1-3 win over Kilkenny in Kilkenny on 15 November 1992.
He didn't start or come on as a sub in any more games that league campaign in 1993, but I don't know if he officially retired over the Christmas or what.
Great trivia question on his last appearance for Kerry.
I remember that era very well but could not recall why Kerry would be playing Kilkenny in the league. Wikipedia says "This was a one-off format for the National Football League. In order to re-format the league into four divisions, the 1992-93 league consisted of four "mixed ability" groups of eight teams each. The experimental format threw up some of the most unusual pairings in league history, and was credited with boosting attendances by as much as 60 per cent."
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 3, 2022 6:58:36 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Apr 3, 2022 7:03:47 GMT
Lovely morning up here in dublin hope it stays that way! Safe travels to all ! Up Kerry
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Apr 3, 2022 7:28:19 GMT
Gorgeous morning here too. Will be on the road shortly. Always good craic to see the kids waving at each other out the back of the car. I’d say we will be one of the very few green and gold flags on the N4 this morning!! Up the Kingdom and safe travels to everyone.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 3, 2022 7:38:09 GMT
Hopefully a big crowd today. Was at the games yesterday and only 8,000 came through the gate from 4 counties who wouldn't regularly play in Croker (in football anyways). On the bright side, here's a good article from the 42 on a more in depth inside to Paddy Tallys role a very interesting read: www.the42.ie/paddy-tally-kerry-defence-5728691-Apr2022/Up The Kingdom 🇬🇫🇬🇫🇬🇫
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Post by Deise Exile on Apr 3, 2022 7:52:06 GMT
One of my big hopes for Kerry this year in croker under new management is to see a capability and trust in the bench. Make changes when needed and trust the lads that are on the bench. I don't think we will win today unless there is good use of Tony Brosnan, Sean O Se Joe O'Connor and Killian Spillane. The balance of our forward line doesn't seem right. No serious team in any sport interchanges goalkeepers like Kerry have done. This is a huge factor too in average midfield performances to date. To be honest today is a must win for Kerry. We simply have to lay down a few markers. We're well capable. I'm hoping Tony starts and named team is a dummy. Disappointing Joe not starting
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Post by southward on Apr 3, 2022 8:09:29 GMT
Wikipedia says "This was a one-off format for the National Football League. In order to re-format the league into four divisions, the 1992-93 league consisted of four "mixed ability" groups of eight teams each. The experimental format threw up some of the most unusual pairings in league history, and was credited with boosting attendances by as much as 60 per cent."
If I remember correctly, the leagues that year were made up by putting the top 2 from each division the year before into Div 1, the 3rd & 4 places from the previous year into Div 2 and so on. Kerry had finished 3rd and so were relegated to Div 2. The team finishing 5th in Div 1 was relegated to Div 3. Crazy stuff, really.
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Post by mike70 on Apr 3, 2022 8:19:22 GMT
One of my big hopes for Kerry this year in croker under new management is to see a capability and trust in the bench. Make changes when needed and trust the lads that are on the bench. I don't think we will win today unless there is good use of Tony Brosnan, Sean O Se Joe O'Connor and Killian Spillane. The balance of our forward line doesn't seem right. No serious team in any sport interchanges goalkeepers like Kerry have done. This is a huge factor too in average midfield performances to date. To be honest today is a must win for Kerry. We simply have to lay down a few markers. We're well capable. I'm hoping Tony starts and named team is a dummy. Disappointing Joe not starting 100% agree exile, the bench is key and must be used to make an impact, I think we are set up to contain the Mayo running game , but as the game opens up we will need more firepower, so here’s to a final win in croke park today, so lots of these players get to celebrate a senior title in croke park, it would be good for their development .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 9:05:04 GMT
sound Mick, just gone through Abbey Feale, lovely morning, hope the weather is good in dublin for the day.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 3, 2022 9:25:14 GMT
Hon D Kingdom, great day for football
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Post by Deise Exile on Apr 3, 2022 9:47:03 GMT
One of my big hopes for Kerry this year in croker under new management is to see a capability and trust in the bench. Make changes when needed and trust the lads that are on the bench. I don't think we will win today unless there is good use of Tony Brosnan, Sean O Se Joe O'Connor and Killian Spillane. The balance of our forward line doesn't seem right. No serious team in any sport interchanges goalkeepers like Kerry have done. This is a huge factor too in average midfield performances to date. To be honest today is a must win for Kerry. We simply have to lay down a few markers. We're well capable. I'm hoping Tony starts and named team is a dummy. Disappointing Joe not starting 100% agree exile, the bench is key and must be used to make an impact, I think we are set up to contain the Mayo running game , but as the game opens up we will need more firepower, so here’s to a final win in croke park today, so lots of these players get to celebrate a senior title in croke park, it would be good for their development . Can't wait, leaving the Deise soon fresh from Thurles last night
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Apr 3, 2022 10:06:44 GMT
100% agree exile, the bench is key and must be used to make an impact, I think we are set up to contain the Mayo running game , but as the game opens up we will need more firepower, so here’s to a final win in croke park today, so lots of these players get to celebrate a senior title in croke park, it would be good for their development . Can't wait, leaving the Deise soon fresh from Thurles last night There must be some buzz in Waterford after yesterday evening. They were absolutely humming in Thurles. Be great to see them win the big one this year. Will be leaving the Curragh shortly, glorious day for it, here’s hoping for an excellent Kerry performance!
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